James Kunstler: "This crisis is orders of magnitude worse than 1933" | |
Lester
User ID: 440187 United States 05/26/2008 02:06 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | This smarmy bastard always overlooks the obvious; this is an insider put-up job, this Destruction of America and destruction of fiat money worldwide. Kunstler calls the derivatives a "black hole". More like a blackhole generation machine. Consider that there are no assets pledged by either parties in a credit swap or other derivative. They are contracts. A contract w/o funding, performance, or assets pledged is null/void. So, derivatives are a Strawman designed to function as a weapon of destruction. But unlike nukes, nothing dies or is destroyed; only economic viability. This is theft by fraud on the most massive scale imaginable. Yet, in America where the most widely prescribed pharmaceutical is Prozac, people will not object or even stumble onto the game that is afoot. This land is your land. Don't let TPTB take it from you. Kunstler is just another shill disinfo man. Who else but "the man" is paying for his site and peak oil message? Nobody else is funding that stuff, because there is no money in it. Life is pretty amazing. Doesn't matter what you believe, as long as you are distracted and kept off-balance and away from the truth. satan does not have to get you to sign your soul over to him in blood. All he has to do it distract you and confuse you enough to keep you from giving your life to God The Father. Same way with this shit. Anyone who won't look at the history of TPTB in America, correlate the facts, and witness to you that all this is a planned destruction is lying by not pursuing or detailing the Whole Truth. A lie by omission is just as much a lie. All these clever bastards who give you only a smidge of the Whole Truth, glory in your confusion. Who are they working for? It is not their fellow citizens nor our Constitutional Heritage. That leaves only TPTB. Ruminate on that one as you toast our fallen heroes on Memorial Day. |
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Jdd
User ID: 347452 Canada 05/26/2008 02:24 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | All these unconscious people pouring disinformation into their brains is not unlike the masses who are pouring gasoline into their engines. They just keep re-fueling, and hurtling down the same dangerous highway. Your response to Kunstler's piece reminds me of a song called "Transit", by Richard Shindell (one of the best songwriters alive, in my book). Lester, you remind me a bit of the Sister Maria who Shindell is singing about here... Please keep spreading your wisdom. Transit (MP3) [link to www.pac-ip.com] |
John Oldman
(OP) User ID: 324511 United States 05/26/2008 02:51 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | This smarmy bastard always overlooks the obvious; this is an insider put-up job, this Destruction of America and destruction of fiat money worldwide. Quoting: LesterKunstler calls the derivatives a "black hole". More like a blackhole generation machine. Consider that there are no assets pledged by either parties in a credit swap or other derivative. They are contracts. A contract w/o funding, performance, or assets pledged is null/void. So, derivatives are a Strawman designed to function as a weapon of destruction. But unlike nukes, nothing dies or is destroyed; only economic viability. This is theft by fraud on the most massive scale imaginable. Yet, in America where the most widely prescribed pharmaceutical is Prozac, people will not object or even stumble onto the game that is afoot. This land is your land. Don't let TPTB take it from you. Kunstler is just another shill disinfo man. Who else but "the man" is paying for his site and peak oil message? Nobody else is funding that stuff, because there is no money in it. Life is pretty amazing. Doesn't matter what you believe, as long as you are distracted and kept off-balance and away from the truth. satan does not have to get you to sign your soul over to him in blood. All he has to do it distract you and confuse you enough to keep you from giving your life to God The Father. Same way with this shit. Anyone who won't look at the history of TPTB in America, correlate the facts, and witness to you that all this is a planned destruction is lying by not pursuing or detailing the Whole Truth. A lie by omission is just as much a lie. All these clever bastards who give you only a smidge of the Whole Truth, glory in your confusion. Who are they working for? It is not their fellow citizens nor our Constitutional Heritage. That leaves only TPTB. Ruminate on that one as you toast our fallen heroes on Memorial Day. So you've got it all figured out have you? HAHAHAHA, I bet you done hours and hours of research on the internet to back up what your side of the disinfo equation is.....The gubment all out to get us..they're gonna put us in fema camps and we'll all be dead or slaves...right...hahaha...yea you've got all the "true info" don'tcha....your version of reality is no better than the nascar fan sitting in row 310 drinking a bud lite right now |
anonomous User ID: 440152 United States 05/26/2008 03:12 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | sounds like Obamas theory of saving america..america should walk everywhere, starve and stay cold........and just sitdown and give up..sounds to me like this theory is the same one perpuated in welfare projects...will he soon have americans beating up teachers and dealing dope as an underground economy.....and while on dope start concieving children who will have low IQ ... |
Lester
User ID: 440187 United States 05/26/2008 03:28 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It was an interesting read, but c'mon! Get Real! Think our Nation has been sold out LS&B just for oil profits? There is so much more than that! The disingenous fucks that promulgate half-lies, all are blueskying you. Really think you have 6mos, til 2010/11/12? Really think this Disneyland For Dummies has enough intertia (flywheel effect/free energy!) to coast on into a gentle goodnight? Anybody whose somebody in Internetland (ie has a web following) is only telling half or even on-fourth of the picture. Take Jim Sinclair, www.jsmineset.com; pretty decent gold/metals analyst trader. Yet even he is oiling the waters, lewing the herd into calm and inaction; to prevent a stampede. Who's interests does this serve? Really think that his bet that Gold will trade at $1650 by 2012 is meaningful? Kunstler can't see the need TPTB have to foment a Triggering Event to cover their dirty deeds. Something that will enable Martial Law, shutdown of all banks and brokerages; suspension of access to funds and all electronic wealth. Much more going on here than just oil price manipulation. Why are currencies traded on open exchanges anyway? If not to foment their imminent destruction. Do we allow other matters of National/International Security to trade on an open market? Yet our fiat money is different? What BS! You think I was dissing you, Old Man? Get a grip, asshat. Call me a Nascar watching redneck? Pretty far from the truth. You are the one who needs to have another beer and chill. After so many years, you'd think Kunstler would've tumbled onto the real agenda; but no. None of them go against their masters, their sponsors. The age of cheap energy is/was one thing; but the age of the paperhanging USA investment pariahs is just getting started. The fact that we were able to trade our worthless paper for so much oil and foreign goods has to be the greatest swindle of all time. Now who has wound up with all that money? And if you say Exxon/Mobil, you get to wear the dunce cap for the rest of the day. |
John Oldman
(OP) User ID: 324511 United States 05/26/2008 03:39 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | sounds like Obamas theory of saving america..america should walk everywhere, starve and stay cold........and just sitdown and give up..sounds to me like this theory is the same one perpuated in welfare projects...will he soon have americans beating up teachers and dealing dope as an underground economy.....and while on dope start concieving children who will have low IQ ... Quoting: anonomous 440152I guess many people can't handle Kunstler's sarcasm and find it a put off but he does propose many potential solutions to the inevitable downsizing to our fucked up system that requires vast quantities of oil... [link to tvshack.net] <img src=" [link to all.blogs.com] /> |
John Oldman
(OP) User ID: 324511 United States 05/26/2008 04:13 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Lester, Sorry for the nascar reference but my point, in a round about way, is that none of us are much better...and my reasoning is that practically anything your read these days is disinfo or at best partial truths... case in point...take Peak Oil I happen to believe that there is a high probability that it's true and upon us right now...however you won't find me coming on this forum and stating unequivocally that it is the de facto truth and anyone that comes on here and says that Peak Oil is BS immediately looses cred with me because no one knows with 100% certainty one way or the other....substitute 911 or anything else for that matter. We all have our concepts of reality and to come down on Kunstler for not stating that it's a government plot to destroy America, which I find fairly unlikely, an thus making him an "Insider" ...well let's just say it comes off as being presumptuous.... I just thought it was a fairly good article comparing the potential looming meltdown to the one in the 30's...that's all peace |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 440248 United States 05/26/2008 04:20 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | sounds like Obamas theory of saving america..america should walk everywhere, starve and stay cold........and just sitdown and give up..sounds to me like this theory is the same one perpuated in welfare projects...will he soon have americans beating up teachers and dealing dope as an underground economy.....and while on dope start concieving children who will have low IQ ... Quoting: anonomous 440152I'm game, but just who will we depend on to go to work everyday to keep us fed?+ I wanna big ass stereo and a Lexus er sumpin I can name my baby after so if'n I fergits how to spell it I can go out in the yard to write it down off the car! I already gots me a Sophia, a Tredia, an Altima an' a Daihatsu!!!My nex' baby gon be a Kia. |
Lester
User ID: 440187 United States 05/26/2008 05:13 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | What America is facing will make "the great depression" look like a cakewalk. Our Nation has been setup for complete capitulation. This by means of ruinous policy, decisions, and deliberate effort to cause the failure. There are many reasons, rationalizations; primarily the cause is in the spiritual realm, but among this nation's intelligentsia who are agnostic or atheist, the deception is a given right from the starting gate. Easy for intelligentsia, without spiritual foundation, to be persuaded that earth must be "restored to balance". That the manpower of the industrial age is no longer needed or desired makes it that much easier for evil to sell its agenda. Don't believe there are evil forces at work in the world? Just makes evil that much more efficient. Your beliefs don't matter, only what you Know matters. The useless eaters have to go. The machinery is in motion. Plenty of everything, enough to make life a splendid daily event for all who are deemed worthy of surviving the events to come. It's a heavy price to pay, but the earth must survive; so the "logic" goes. And the morons who fancy themselves as "intellects" are so persuaded. Much more going on than just oil. Think all the nuke plant shut downs were just political cowtowing? Like "the will of the people" matters? Plenty of energy potential in that technology. Plenty of solutions, except; using nukes does not consume carbon based fuels, so their efficiency might have forestalled the argument about earth exceeding its carrying capacity. It all comes down to God and HIS enemy. That is what is playing out right now. Can't believe it? Too bad. Your beliefs don't matter, as I said; it's what you KNOW! Really think you have lots of time to prepare, and that our Just In Time transport and commute economy will survive? Think they intend for it to? Why all the deliberate outsourcing of production and abandonment of wealth producing activities in America? To bring us to this very moment in time. We are now superfluous. Like King Lear, we gave it all away; expecting to be treated well for having done so. Too bad America has no good daughter (Cordelia) to attempt our rescue. The more people hear only half-truths, and are confused enough to make only half-assed preparations, then TPTB limit their opposition's ability to weather the storm TPTB have devised. Much more at stake than oil prices and a cheap tank of gas to run to the mall on. But, in the land of the blind, the one-eyed man is king. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 423072 United Kingdom 05/26/2008 05:43 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Howard Kunstler is one of the very few mainstream (or near-mainstream) commentators who even dares to raise the uncomfortable issues of Peak Oil. Whether the USA has been "set up" or not, its citizens surely walked into this situation with their eyes closed. And their fingers in their ears, chanting "Nothing bad will ever happen to us!" If they actually bothered to inform themselves about the world, they might've realised that most resources are finite. The basic myth of the modern "free market" (which is basically a cabal of major banks and hedge funds) is that there are infinite returns and no limits to market growth. We've all had this myth drummed into us, so when we find out that one important resoruce, i.e. oil, is limited, we go into denial. Anyway, Kunstler was on to this before anyone else and deserves recognition for his efforts to wake Americans up. He knows he's up against American Idol and the shit-for-brains news media, but at least he's trying! BTW, I occasionally visit the USA but I'll try to avoid it after late 2008. I have nightmares about missing the last trans-Atlantic flight home when the fuel runs dry! |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 423072 United Kingdom 05/26/2008 06:07 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I like the old proverb: "God helps those who helps themselves" (Ben Franklin as I recall) The American people have helped themselves... to all the world's resources, at a discount until recently. Now God will help them to understand that there's a natural limit to everything, including a nation's success and self-belief. Meanwhile the International Energy Agency is examining whether oil could run out in just 4 years' time, i.e. 2012. Funny how everything revolves around that year? [link to www.theherald.co.uk] |
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