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Obama's Abortion Vulnerability
By Philip Gailey

Having survived Hillary Clinton's "kitchen sink'' attack strategy, Barack Obama may think there's not much left in the kitchen for Republicans to throw at him except a few pots and pans. As he turns his attention to the general election, Obama has invited McCain to join him in debating "big issues'' — national security, health care, the economy — instead of resorting to the old politics of personal attacks and negative ads. He is naive if he thinks McCain is going to allow him to set the rules of the game.

The Republicans — and I'm not talking about the nuts in the fruitcake fringe of the GOP — are going to pick up where Hillary Clinton left off in defining Obama as an elitist who doesn't understand the concerns and values of those gun-owning, church-going Americans he described as "bitter.'' They're not going to let voters forget about his association with Bill Ayers, a leftist radical from the '60s, or the incendiary sermons of his former pastor, the Rev. Jeremiah Wright. And they will add something new to this mix — Obama's record on abortion.

Abortion wasn't an issue in the Democratic primary campaign where only prochoice candidates need apply. However, Republicans are never ones to leave a wedge issue unused, and they're not about to give Obama a pass on abortion. Unlike McCain, a staunch prolifer, as abortion opponents call themselves, Obama's record on abortion is "extreme,'' according to conservative pundits and bloggers.

They point out that Obama not only voted against a ban on so-called partial-birth abortion, a procedure the late Democratic Sen. Daniel Patrick Moynihan of New York once called "too close to infanticide,'' but opposed a bill to protect the life of an infant who survived a late-term abortion.

This could be a problem for Obama, who already has tripped over guns and religion. A majority of Americans support the right to abortion with some restrictions, generally approving the procedure in the first and second trimesters and in case of rape or incest, or to save the life of the mother.

Republicans will try to convince voters that Obama is outside this mainstream by focusing on his opposition, as an Illinois state senator, to a state version of the federal Born Alive Infants Protection Act, which passed the U.S. Senate in 2002 by a unanimous vote. The law prevents the killing of infants, usually by denying them medical care, when they are mistakenly left alive, outside the mother's womb, after an abortion.

Speaking against a similar bill in the Illinois Senate, Obama sounded like the constitutional law professor he was before going into politics.

"Number one,'' he said, "whenever we define a pre-viable fetus as a person that is protected by the Equal Protection Clause or the other elements in the Constitution, what we're really saying is, in fact, that they are persons that are entitled to the kinds of protections that would be provided to a child, a 9-month-old child that was delivered to term. That determination then, essentially, if it was accepted by a court, would forbid abortions to take place. I mean, it — it would essentially bar abortions, because the Equal Protection Clause does not allow somebody to kill a child, and if this were a child, this would be an anti-abortion statute.''

Democrats in Congress raised the same concern about the original version of the federal legislation. Language was added to make it clear the bill would not encroach on a woman's right to choose an abortion and the measure passed without opposition.

Obama later said he would have voted for that bill.

However, critics note that in 2003, when an Illinois lawmaker again introduced a state Born Alive Infant Bill, it came with a proposed amendment that included language on protecting abortion rights identical to the federal version. The bill was never brought up for a vote in the Health and Human Services Committee, which Obama chaired.

Most voters know where they stand on abortion, so it's not likely they will be swayed one way or the other by GOP attacks on Obama's record, especially when their concerns center on the war in Iraq and economic woes here at home. That said, abortion is the kind of issue that may not amount to much standing alone, but when it is used along with other issues to raise questions about a candidate's values, it could be troubling to some voters for whom the idea of allowing an infant to die after surviving an abortion is too gruesome to think about.

Democrats don't seem worried. They can't imagine abortion or any other social issue distracting voters from the central question of the November election: Whether to extend George W. Bush's presidency for four more years by electing John McCain.

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The mainstream media, which is run by the same puppet-master oligarchy that controls the political system, will rarely talk about subjects that are common knowledge among people who have done their research into the new-world-order. The corporate mainstream media is nothing more than the propaganda wing of the ruling elite. At election time they parade the political candidates they want us to vote for, whilst ignoring the ones who would really help us to make the world a better place.

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As much as I understand the intentions behind how a potential candidate votes on issues, it's really hard to point a finger and say a vote is the same as an opinion. We ALL know about loading these bills. If it was a black and white, cut and dry issue. Are you in favor of (blank), then YES you can have an accurate stance or position on the issue....but, if anyone's ever read some of the paperwork being voted on...it is so full of technical terms and lengthy meaningless sentances with other agendas snuck in, that you cannot judge a man by his vote.

It's all manipulation at it's best, and maybe Obama did vote against a ban on partial-birth abortions...but what else was in the paperwork that he was adamently against, that overrode this particular action?

<ddamn..did that all make sense?>
anything after 'but' is bullshit!

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"maybe Obama did vote against a ban on partial-birth abortions"

>>I believe he co-sponsored a bill making it illegal to give medical attention to babies who SURVIVED a partial birth abortion... in essence, he is for letting them lay there and die on the operating table.

There is NO defense of that Sireen.
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yadda yadda yadda ... another thread of lies, and disinformation to elicit an emotional reaction from the pavlovian doggies ... sit Ubbu sit ... good dog.
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yadda yadda yadda ... another thread of lies, and disinformation to elicit an emotional reaction from the pavlovian doggies ... sit Ubbu sit ... good dog.
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>>The only Pavlovian response I see is yours.
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unfortunately, sinanju's and pacnwguy's mothers did not have abortions, that is the tragedy.
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yadda yadda yadda ... another thread of lies, and disinformation to elicit an emotional reaction from the pavlovian doggies ... sit Ubbu sit ... good dog.



>>The only Pavlovian response I see is yours.
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woof woof baby, come over here so I can sniff your a**
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Ah! The abortion card! Let's play it shall we?

1.) What can a president do about abortion?
Answer: Nothing

2.) What's McCain's record on abortion?
Answer: For it!

The sweet smell of fear and desperation! HAHA!
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"Partial Birth Abortion"

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DO IT IN ALL 60 STATE OF THE UNITED STATES?"


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oh jarha's mom should've had an abortion toooooo
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And the lies continue...
you people are so disgusting I honestly do not see how you wake up in the morning and look at yourselves in the mirror...you are soooooo off on the point, did you research why he voted against it, did you actually see the bill itself....let me answer that for you idiots, NO YOU DIDN'T. If you go look at the bill you will see that it had a lot of ridiculous additions on it that Senator Obama did not support, therefore supporting this bill would have put into law three pieces of legislation that Sentaor Obama was highly against. So in essence what really happened was that the Republicans tried to take advantage of a legitimate Bill and pass through ridiculous anti-immigration laws and tax cuts, more than likely they knew that Senator Obama would vote it down and then they could use it against him later on, which is exactly what happened and is happening, evidenced by the retards at GLP.

When are you people going to stop playing these ridiculous political games that get the American people ABSOLUTELY NO WHERE and start actually having a heart and a soul and doing SOMETHING POSITIVE FOR THE COUNTRY.
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90% of all abortions are by black women. I'm not a woman, and I'm not black. It's really none of my business.
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The real issue is, will you vote based on issues that matter, or just stick your nose into other people's business.

One of the few things I used to like about the Publican party was that they were serious about keeping the govt. out of my business. Now they want to regulate things that are only of interest to a woman, her doctor, and her God. OK, maybe the husband (if there is one) should get half a vote, but no more.
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Hillary is ALSO for partial birth abortion, and she is a mother woman, supposed protector of life, so its much worse.
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Partial birth abortion is morally repugnant, and blatant murder. The baby is delivered at a viable stage and then scissors are jammed into the skull and opened in order to allow a catheter in to suck the brains out. This is done deliberately to kill the baby that would otherwise have survived. They stab the scissors in while the baby's head is still inside the cervical tract with the body outside, so they will not have to hear the baby cry after delivery. Anybody that would vote in favor of this despicable act will not get my vote. Be they republican or democrat. There is nothing to justify support of this act, whether it is compounded with other bills or not. This is just heinous to allow for any reason.

Seems to me that the most precious and innocent in our society are the least protected. This is disgusting.
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Ah! The abortion card! Let's play it shall we?

1.) What can a president do about abortion?
Answer: Nothing

2.) What's McCain's record on abortion?
Answer: For it!

The sweet smell of fear and desperation! HAHA!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 441228



The president can veto bills supporting partial birth abortions.

McCain supports the overturn of Roe and would appoint judges who would overturn the decision.
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This isn't about partial birth abortion to me.. it's about what happens when the partial birth abortion fails.

Obamababymamadrama wants to let the child die on the operating table and the only reason he voted against his OWN bill is because there were some tax cuts and anti-immigration laws added to it...

and that is supposed to make me feel better how?
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unfortunately, sinanju's and pacnwguy's mothers did not have abortions, that is the tragedy.
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True douchebaggery there. Spoke like a true lib.
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"McCain supports the overturn of Roe and would appoint judges who would overturn the decision."

>>I am against it simply because it was an incorrect ruling. Not for any other reason. Abortion should be a state issue.. not a national issue.

Honor the tenth amendment.
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"True douchebaggery there. Spoke like a true lib."

>>It's quite alright. They have no other avenue. My grandmother told me once to not be upset if a dog bites me because it is the dog's only method of defense.

Attacks like that are liberals only method of debate.. so the same rules apply.
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Please go away. It's funny we never see you post things about republicans. EVERYONE shits. Why not be a little more balanced in your ramblings?
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A fetus can feel pain after 10 weeks gestation. To me, personally, an abortion after 10 weeks is just cruel!
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Good post PAC. We do agree on this one!
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"True douchebaggery there. Spoke like a true lib."

>>It's quite alright. They have no other avenue. My grandmother told me once to not be upset if a dog bites me because it is the dog's only method of defense.

Attacks like that are liberals only method of debate.. so the same rules apply.
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Your grandmother was wise.

The people who are jumping to Obama's defense here obviously forgot this comment:

“Look, I got two daughters — 9 years old and 6 years old,” he said. “I am going to teach them first about values and morals, but if they make a mistake, I don’t want them punished with a baby.”

There is no doubt in my mind that this man would have no qualms about letting a baby die - even contributing to it's undeserved demise... unless he could use it to somehow advance his communist agenda.

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"but if they make a mistake, I don’t want them punished with a baby."

>>Like "oops! I tripped, fell down, and got pregnant accidentally!"

Makes perfect sense.
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Please go away. It's funny we never see you post things about republicans. EVERYONE shits. Why not be a little more balanced in your ramblings?
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1) I am going nowhere because you say so.

2) I give rethuglicans as much hell as I give demoncratz... when they are wrong.
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The fetus is not a human being until the Spirit enters therein, which happens AFTER the fetus is outside of the Uterus and the first breath is inhaled.
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“Look, I got two daughters — 9 years old and 6 years old,” he said. “I am going to teach them first about values and morals, but if they make a mistake, I don’t want them punished with a baby.”


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Holy shit, the GOP will crucify him over that one!
A MISTAKE??

Mistakes are SUPPOSED to have consequences, and not for a third party.
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The fetus is not a human being until the Spirit enters therein, which happens AFTER the fetus is outside of the Uterus and the first breath is inhaled.
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Link with proof?





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