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JESUS CHRIST, ENLIGHTENED TRUTH, BUT NOT THE MESSIAH

 
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Who would have thought that the Jews were right on this one? Who would have thought that the people that we are told rejected their own savior, were absolutely right to do so? Anybody who went to Sunday school will remember that Jesus was told he was the King of the Jews..."There is your King on a Cross".

Oh but how right the Jews were; the myth of Jesus Christ the Messiah is the biggest lie in history. We should have known from the type of people that perpetrate this great myth. Firstly we had Rome itself, when Constantine stole the pagan symbol of the cross and made the cult of Christianity a State Religion.

Then we had the Catholic Church, one of the most violent, corrupt and immoral institutions on earth; responsible for countless deaths, sexual molestations, hoarder of billions in treasure and gold. We should have known when we witnessed their priests in both England and Germany blessing their troops for victory.

And how can we forget the United Kingdom, in Christ's name they claimed the globe for themselves. Their missionaries would set up the ground work for their cult, their armies would follow and before long everything that was good in the country was making its way back to England, leaving the countries with only their temples and debt.

But what about the story of Jesus, it all makes sense, the son of God came, was crucified and his rose from the death? All stolen; every single bit of it, from an ancient civilization known as the Egyptians. But instead of stealing the real story of Isis and Osiris from the Egyptians they stole the myth.

The real story of Isis and Osiris is that they were both brother and sister (in God's eyes) and husband and wife. They were both born of Geb, who represented earth and Nut that represented sky; or what many cultures call Heaven and Earth. And in Ra's (the one and only Sun God) absence, Isis and Osiris through their child were to rule the world.

Isis and Osiris brought forth a child, Horus. This is the part that Christianity has attempted to steal, but instead they stole the flawed version. The flawed version is the Great Egyptian Myth, which occurred during the integration of the two Egyptian followings of Ennead and Ogdoad.

When Ennead and Ogdoad merged, confusion reigned and a great story was constructed to explain what had happened. The story is less important than the ideas that it created but it goes something like, Osiris was murdered by Set (Good and Bad), Isis brought his genitals back to life with magic, she conceived the son of God Horus.

This whole myth is considered by many to be the birth place of ideas such as; blessed virgin, immaculate conception and resurrection (life death rebirth). All these ideas have been adopted by Christianity in explaining the birth of their savior Jesus Christ, but all the time being based on an old Egyptian myth.

It makes me think of the very bad jokes that we hear about being told at the foot of the so called cross, something like, "If you are the savior, take yourself off the cross". All jokes aside, it was a very good question. If God is all powerful, why didn't God slew the laughing persecutors and bring his boy down from the Cross?

Because Jesus was a messenger of truth, not a child of God. The Jews knew it and have been punished ever since. The rest of the world didn't even know what was going on, which brings us to another point; I would suggest that when God sends a child, the whole world will get their chance to see that child's face and repent of their worldly ways.

If Horus was considered to be a man, and it's commonly accepted that the Messiah will bring the end of man's rule, could it just be possible that God will send a woman? While man has been in rule we have seen the shaming, the oppression, the rape and the murder of not only women but of children too.

In the West we all look at each other as if our hands are clean, but women have had to fight tooth and nail to get the paltry representation and rights that they enjoy in our countries. While overseas, women continue to experience insidious tortures, mandatory rapes and oppressive harassment all in the name of gods.

When I think of the mistakes of this world, the oppression of women, the great wars, the grand delusion of economic growth and the crime that is credit, I have to think that these are man made problems. And it makes me think that man; the creator of these problems, has no idea or even initiative to reverse these great tragedies.

And for that reason I believe God has sent a woman to lead his people to the Promised Land. He has sent a woman to bring the truth, the very same truth that Jesus brought with him, the truth from God. In truth she will bring salvation for man and woman, and I suspect that man will fight tooth and nail to keep what he has made.
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Quit it fool!!
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Hun, its true. A technical description of it is thus:

Reality is both a wave and a particle; the Atman and the Brahman.

Humanity is the wave, Jesus is the particle. God in the flesh.

You find that hard to believe? Why, cause Man, in his use of his godlike ego, has used Jesus? Becuase he died?

He is not the messiah?

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He had to die to go thru Earth's reincarnation cycle, and take on the cloak of the veil of ignorance. As Jesus knew, the second coming is about the will of the father, as opposed to Jesus, the will of the son. In that way, the father will use the second coming like a tool. This will bring the real change: the kingdom of god is at hand.
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Oh, you will not see the second coming; Earth will remember the particle as Jesus. His free will. And ours.

Like a thief in de night :)
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The rainbow makes up all parts.

The wave, altogether, makes up the rainbow.

The particle is the whole rainbow, in one being.

Just an average guy.
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God is one.

A white light, put it thru a prism, what do ya get? A rainbow. The colors of a rainbow make up the components of the white light.

There are no color bands of white light in a rainbow. Jesus' connection to god was so great he was a band of white; loses that in reincarnation.

But becomes the rainbow. Tis the will of God.
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God is one.

A white light, put it thru a prism, what do ya get? A rainbow. The colors of a rainbow make up the components of the white light.

There are no color bands of white light in a rainbow. Jesus' connection to god was so great he was a band of white; loses that in reincarnation.

But becomes the rainbow. Tis the will of God.
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I think you are touching on one of the most important concepts on earth.
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God is one.

A white light, put it thru a prism, what do ya get? A rainbow. The colors of a rainbow make up the components of the white light.

There are no color bands of white light in a rainbow. Jesus' connection to god was so great he was a band of white; loses that in reincarnation.

But becomes the rainbow. Tis the will of God.


I think you are touching on one of the most important concepts on earth.
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I just had to login to say TX :)

Its true, wink.
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Oh forgot a main point; the second coming is the "messiah" in that a real change happens; the will of the father; but it is the same soul that was Jesus...
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GDW .....water hole....

Rabbi Reveals Name of the Messiah

Shortly before he died, one of Israel's most prominent rabbis wrote the name of the Messiah on a small note which he requested would remain sealed until now. When the note was opened, it revealed what many have known for centuries: Yehoshua, or Yeshua (Jesus), is the Messiah. A few months before he died, one of the nation’s most prominent rabbis, Yitzhak Kaduri, supposedly wrote the name of the Messiah on a small note which he requested would remain sealed until now. When the note was unsealed, it revealed what many have known for centuries: Yehoshua, or Yeshua (Jesus), is the Messiah. With the biblical name of Jesus, the Rabbi and kabbalist described the Messiah using six words and hinting that the initial letters form the name of the Messiah. The secret note said: Concerning the letter abbreviation of the Messiah’s name, He will lift the people and prove that his word and law are valid. Thisis I have signed in the month of mercy, Yitzhak Kaduri

The Hebrew sentence (translated above in bold) with the hidden name of the Messiah reads: Yarim Ha’Am Veyokhiakh Shedvaro Vetorato Omdim

The initials spell the Hebrew name of Jesus, Yehoshua. Yehoshua and Yeshua are eectively the same name, derived from the same Hebrew root of the word “salvation” as documented in Zechariah 6:11 and Ezra 3:2. The same priest writes in Ezra, “Yeshua son of Yozadak” while writing in Zechariah “Yehoshua son of Yohozadak.” The priest adds the holy abbreviation of God’s name, ho, in the father’s name Yozadak and in the name Yeshua.

More information here [link to www.israeltoday.co.il]

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I'm not gambling my eternal soul on this interpretation

I'm reading the Bible for myself

Jesus explained how He was giving up His life of His own free will

the prophets laid it all out Messiah would be cut off for the sake of many

the common thread of salvation through atonement runs through the whole book

Ezekiel 36 and 37 came true before our eyes 38 and 39 are next

Joel chapter 3

Haggai

Isaiah

of course Daniel and Zechariah

events are transpiring at a rapid pace just as the ancients pictured

Jesus Himself allowed Himself to be worshipped as Lord

when Peter declared Him the Christ Jesus did not chastise him

millions and millions have died for their faith in Jesus Christ

sure there's been a ton of corruption

the devil wants more than anything to discredit Christianity

he is a liar and the father of all lies

we are on the edge of the end of this dispensation

I am reading the Bible for myself and praying for increase faith, wisdom, and discernment

mentioning Horus Isis etc. shows how ancient the lies are

I pray to be sanctified by the Truth -- His Word is truth

He is the Solid Rock and there is no other name by which we may be saved
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Oh but how right the Jews were; the myth of Jesus Christ the Messiah is the biggest lie in history
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Well, I suppose that depends on how you look at things. We have 2 light sources that power our engines, 1 is in the red and one is in the blue. To get to the blue you have to literally sacrifice the red, and if you're in the blue, then you are in the blue, the messenger can relay te truth because his conscience is in that god spirit, the singularity, that blueprint of our spiritual selves. All that the Jews do, relates to that christ spirit, that christ light, if it werent then they'd all be muslims wouldnt they? lol
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GDW .....water hole....

Rabbi Reveals Name of the Messiah

Shortly before he died, one of Israel's most prominent rabbis wrote the name of the Messiah on a small note which he requested would remain sealed until now. When the note was opened, it revealed what many have known for centuries: Yehoshua, or Yeshua (Jesus), is the Messiah. A few months before he died, one of the nation’s most prominent rabbis, Yitzhak Kaduri, supposedly wrote the name of the Messiah on a small note which he requested would remain sealed until now. When the note was unsealed, it revealed what many have known for centuries: Yehoshua, or Yeshua (Jesus), is the Messiah. With the biblical name of Jesus, the Rabbi and kabbalist described the Messiah using six words and hinting that the initial letters form the name of the Messiah. The secret note said: Concerning the letter abbreviation of the Messiah’s name, He will lift the people and prove that his word and law are valid. Thisis I have signed in the month of mercy, Yitzhak Kaduri

The Hebrew sentence (translated above in bold) with the hidden name of the Messiah reads: Yarim Ha’Am Veyokhiakh Shedvaro Vetorato Omdim

The initials spell the Hebrew name of Jesus, Yehoshua. Yehoshua and Yeshua are eectively the same name, derived from the same Hebrew root of the word “salvation” as documented in Zechariah 6:11 and Ezra 3:2. The same priest writes in Ezra, “Yeshua son of Yozadak” while writing in Zechariah “Yehoshua son of Yohozadak.” The priest adds the holy abbreviation of God’s name, ho, in the father’s name Yozadak and in the name Yeshua.

More information here [link to www.israeltoday.co.il]

Lotus
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Thanks for the great information.

:)
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Let it be sung from the roof tops.....

The Lord conceals and the Lord reveals.

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Jesus said all who came before Him were thieves and robbers. These thieves didn't create the myth of a savior and then play out this myth they invented on the worlds stage.

The story of the Savior is written in the stars from the very foundation of creation, and the heavens declare the glory of God in Christ.
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Many eyewitnesses to miracles, people being raised from the dead, healings...Jesus is the Messiah. If he was only "enlightened" then all the other miracles and raising people from the dead that no one else on this earth has done since ... wasn't done by a mere mortal...he is the son of God. Your argument is not logical. I'll put my trust in Him, rather on someone on the internet who thinks He can dismiss Jesus.
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Oh but how right the Jews were; the myth of Jesus Christ the Messiah is the biggest lie in history
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Well, I suppose that depends on how you look at things. We have 2 light sources that power our engines, 1 is in the red and one is in the blue. To get to the blue you have to literally sacrifice the red, and if you're in the blue, then you are in the blue, the messenger can relay te truth because his conscience is in that god spirit, the singularity, that blueprint of our spiritual selves. All that the Jews do, relates to that christ spirit, that christ light, if it werent then they'd all be muslims wouldnt they? lol
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The Jewish people are waiting for two.

One from the House of Joseph and one from the House of David.

Jesus promised he would send you one in the end times of the end of the age to tell you what is to come. He said he would send this person from the father.



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The talmud jews are wrong.The messianic jews know by supernatural revelation from the God of gods that Yshua/Jesus is messiah.Period.
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GDW .....water hole....

Rabbi Reveals Name of the Messiah

Shortly before he died, one of Israel's most prominent rabbis wrote the name of the Messiah on a small note which he requested would remain sealed until now. When the note was opened, it revealed what many have known for centuries: Yehoshua, or Yeshua (Jesus), is the Messiah. A few months before he died, one of the nation’s most prominent rabbis, Yitzhak Kaduri, supposedly wrote the name of the Messiah on a small note which he requested would remain sealed until now. When the note was unsealed, it revealed what many have known for centuries: Yehoshua, or Yeshua (Jesus), is the Messiah. With the biblical name of Jesus, the Rabbi and kabbalist described the Messiah using six words and hinting that the initial letters form the name of the Messiah. The secret note said: Concerning the letter abbreviation of the Messiah’s name, He will lift the people and prove that his word and law are valid. Thisis I have signed in the month of mercy, Yitzhak Kaduri

The Hebrew sentence (translated above in bold) with the hidden name of the Messiah reads: Yarim Ha’Am Veyokhiakh Shedvaro Vetorato Omdim

The initials spell the Hebrew name of Jesus, Yehoshua. Yehoshua and Yeshua are eectively the same name, derived from the same Hebrew root of the word “salvation” as documented in Zechariah 6:11 and Ezra 3:2. The same priest writes in Ezra, “Yeshua son of Yozadak” while writing in Zechariah “Yehoshua son of Yohozadak.” The priest adds the holy abbreviation of God’s name, ho, in the father’s name Yozadak and in the name Yeshua.

More information here [link to www.israeltoday.co.il]

Lotus


Thanks for the great information.

:)
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Those that believe Jesus is a myth do not know him.

Bible says that those that do not believe that Jesus was the Son of God or believe in the father are anti-christs.

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not a whole lot of people know that or want to know that, eh?
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The bible says that anyone that rejects that Jesus is the Son of God is an anti-christ. That applies to all people of all nations.

The anti-christs are only mentioned in the book of John.

1 John 2:17-19

17The world and its desires pass away, but the man who does the will of God lives forever.

Warning Against Antichrists

18Dear children, this is the last hour; and as you have heard that the antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have come. This is how we know it is the last hour. 19They went out from us, but they did not really belong to us. For if they had belonged to us, they would have remained with us; but their going showed that none of them belonged to us.

1 John 2:21-23
21I do not write to you because you do not know the truth, but because you do know it and because no lie comes from the truth. 22Who is the liar? It is the man who denies that Jesus is the Christ. Such a man is the antichrist—he denies the Father and the Son. 23No one who denies the Son has the Father; whoever acknowledges the Son has the Father also.

1 John 4:2-4
2This is how you can recognize the Spirit of God: Every spirit that acknowledges that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God, 3but every spirit that does not acknowledge Jesus is not from God. This is the spirit of the antichrist, which you have heard is coming and even now is already in the world.

4You, dear children, are from God and have overcome them, because the one who is in you is greater than the one who is in the world.

2 John 1:6-8
6And this is love: that we walk in obedience to his commands. As you have heard from the beginning, his command is that you walk in love.

7Many deceivers, who do not acknowledge Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh, have gone out into the world. Any such person is the deceiver and the antichrist. 8Watch out that you do not lose what you have worked for, but that you may be rewarded fully.

People who do the will of God are Saints they align their will with God's will and follow instructions.

“For who has known the mind of the Lord that he may instruct him?”

But we have the mind of Christ. 1 Corinthians 2:6-16 NIV



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The Messanic Jews




There are now 15,000 Messanic Jews in Israel





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Jesus said all who came before Him were thieves and robbers. These thieves didn't create the myth of a savior and then play out this myth they invented on the worlds stage.

The story of the Savior is written in the stars from the very foundation of creation, and the heavens declare the glory of God in Christ.
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Wow...nice post.
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Many eyewitnesses to miracles, people being raised from the dead, healings...Jesus is the Messiah. If he was only "enlightened" then all the other miracles and raising people from the dead that no one else on this earth has done since ... wasn't done by a mere mortal...he is the son of God. Your argument is not logical. I'll put my trust in Him, rather on someone on the internet who thinks He can dismiss Jesus.
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I don't dismiss Jesus at all. I can't find anywhere in the NT where Jesus said he was the son of God...son of man yes...but son of God...no.

The closest I found was when he was being accused of calling himself the son of God...and he answered...'this is what you say...' or words to that affect.

Interestingly, in the Good News version...it states that Jesus answered ''Yes' this is what you say'. Now these people were warned about adding words to these books...I'm presumming the later version has the addition.
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Oh but how right the Jews were; the myth of Jesus Christ the Messiah is the biggest lie in history
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Well, I suppose that depends on how you look at things. We have 2 light sources that power our engines, 1 is in the red and one is in the blue. To get to the blue you have to literally sacrifice the red, and if you're in the blue, then you are in the blue, the messenger can relay te truth because his conscience is in that god spirit, the singularity, that blueprint of our spiritual selves. All that the Jews do, relates to that christ spirit, that christ light, if it werent then they'd all be muslims wouldnt they? lol



The Jewish people are waiting for two.

One from the House of Joseph and one from the House of David.

Jesus promised he would send you one in the end times of the end of the age to tell you what is to come. He said he would send this person from the father.



Lotus Feet
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Are you talking about two 'Christs'? Or a witness or a John the Baptist?
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GDW .....water hole....

Rabbi Reveals Name of the Messiah

Shortly before he died, one of Israel's most prominent rabbis wrote the name of the Messiah on a small note which he requested would remain sealed until now. When the note was opened, it revealed what many have known for centuries: Yehoshua, or Yeshua (Jesus), is the Messiah. A few months before he died, one of the nation’s most prominent rabbis, Yitzhak Kaduri, supposedly wrote the name of the Messiah on a small note which he requested would remain sealed until now. When the note was unsealed, it revealed what many have known for centuries: Yehoshua, or Yeshua (Jesus), is the Messiah. With the biblical name of Jesus, the Rabbi and kabbalist described the Messiah using six words and hinting that the initial letters form the name of the Messiah. The secret note said: Concerning the letter abbreviation of the Messiah’s name, He will lift the people and prove that his word and law are valid. Thisis I have signed in the month of mercy, Yitzhak Kaduri

The Hebrew sentence (translated above in bold) with the hidden name of the Messiah reads: Yarim Ha’Am Veyokhiakh Shedvaro Vetorato Omdim

The initials spell the Hebrew name of Jesus, Yehoshua. Yehoshua and Yeshua are eectively the same name, derived from the same Hebrew root of the word “salvation” as documented in Zechariah 6:11 and Ezra 3:2. The same priest writes in Ezra, “Yeshua son of Yozadak” while writing in Zechariah “Yehoshua son of Yohozadak.” The priest adds the holy abbreviation of God’s name, ho, in the father’s name Yozadak and in the name Yeshua.

More information here [link to www.israeltoday.co.il]

Lotus


Thanks for the great information.

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Those that believe Jesus is a myth do not know him.

Bible says that those that do not believe that Jesus was the Son of God or believe in the father are anti-christs.

Lotus
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Yeah, yeah i've heard all that. But while you're laying down the law...you need to look at the essay.

Jesus IS NOT necessarily a myth...the fact that he is the messiah/Son of God is the myth.

To be fair to the premise of the thread, please keep within the context of the proposal or acknowledge that you are introducing a new concept.
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I think what people miss is the whole idea of Jesus in the first place. We're ALL children of God, otherwise give yourself life.

Jesus represented the son of God that was put into flesh and never gave into the flesh, never sinned, not once, nothing had power over him except for his spirit from God. So God was very pleased with his son and spoke truth through him. And God used Jesus as an example of how we are all intended to be if we want to show God love.

And because Jesus was absolutely pure and put to death, He is the maximum possible sacrifice for the eternal forgiveness of sins, because Jesus in his sinless state was tortured and put to death yet he still forgave his oppressors.

So yes, he is the messiah, because through his sacrifice are you able to be forgiven for your lusts of fleshy sins, and through his example are you able to show God love the way he wants us to.
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I think what people miss is the whole idea of Jesus in the first place. We're ALL children of God, otherwise give yourself life.

Jesus represented the son of God that was put into flesh and never gave into the flesh, never sinned, not once, nothing had power over him except for his spirit from God. So God was very pleased with his son and spoke truth through him. And God used Jesus as an example of how we are all intended to be if we want to show God love.

And because Jesus was absolutely pure and put to death, He is the maximum possible sacrifice for the eternal forgiveness of sins, because Jesus in his sinless state was tortured and put to death yet he still forgave his oppressors.

So yes, he is the messiah, because through his sacrifice are you able to be forgiven for your lusts of fleshy sins, and through his example are you able to show God love the way he wants us to.
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That is a very powerful premise. Perhaps you are right. Time will tell.

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Re: JESUS CHRIST, ENLIGHTENED TRUTH, BUT NOT THE MESSIAH
Many eyewitnesses to miracles, people being raised from the dead, healings...Jesus is the Messiah. If he was only "enlightened" then all the other miracles and raising people from the dead that no one else on this earth has done since ... wasn't done by a mere mortal...he is the son of God. Your argument is not logical. I'll put my trust in Him, rather on someone on the internet who thinks He can dismiss Jesus.


I don't dismiss Jesus at all. I can't find anywhere in the NT where Jesus said he was the son of God...son of man yes...but son of God...no.

The closest I found was when he was being accused of calling himself the son of God...and he answered...'this is what you say...' or words to that affect.

Interestingly, in the Good News version...it states that Jesus answered ''Yes' this is what you say'. Now these people were warned about adding words to these books...I'm presumming the later version has the addition.
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I used to notice that too

then as I kept reading and reading and reading I finally saw where Jesus says if someone testifies of himself that testimony is not true

He goes on to say the Father testifies of Him

also when John the Baptist sends messengers to ask if He's Messiah He doesn't testify but points out facts

it all seems based on the ancient legal system which continues today

He went as a Lamb to slaughter - and couldn't be compelled to testify against Himself
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You still don't get it do you. Don't let them fool ya. All thoughts become manifest. The christos was in the beginning. Jesus has come to all people in all times. Jesus embodied the Christos in the meridian of time. He is all he said and it just wasn't for a select time, and a select people.
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thing is, while everyone is goin round sayin my way is the truth, the myth is the truth, in the beginning, just alot of names and such have been added thru the eons. but the song remains the same. "God" and His kids, avatars, whatever. people so infantile, need to attach names, labels, religions, and so dumbed down. so far away, and it is all hidden in plain sight. and it does not matter, for what is is. i stay disamazed at the folly of my fellow humans, running like puppies after some truth, when the truth is always where they ran from.





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