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You wonder why God allows the devil and demons to exist ?

 
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Why are you doing this? I’m posting a semi serious philosophical discussion on god and you just want to attack me in this juvenile way?
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You are juvenile because if the creator came in your presence, you wouldn't even know it.

And if you knew it, you would be in awe while simultaneously fashioning reasons why he aint.

Denial is not just a river in Egypt lol
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I guess god must be entertaining himself some more with this thread.
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God is.

The gods (lower case) are the vehicles in which that force works through.

Remember, Frankenstein was an experiement gone awry. Believe it or not, so was 'evil".
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I got too lazy to caps that and god doesn’t care about minor technicalities. The entire premise of Jesus was to stop
being legalistic and start to actually care.
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Do you like watching mob movies? Do you actually want to join the mob?
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Do you ever wonder why fake sky god does anything...he is fake.
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^antichrist cult of lies Candace
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Re: You wonder why God allows the devil and demons to exist ?
How could he stop it? New ones are being created everyday by the choices they make
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Always another one to bite the dust?
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Do you like watching mob movies? Do you actually want to join the mob?
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Do you ever wonder why fake sky god does anything...he is fake.
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^antichrist cult of lies Candace
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If that is Candace? Then she should admit her urantia ashtar command galactic saviors are fake as well. They haven't done anything either. Ever.
“The rules are simple: they lie to us, we know they're lying, they know we know they're lying, but they keep lying to us, and we keep pretending to believe them.”

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Re: You wonder why God allows the devil and demons to exist ?
Soul learning through trials and tribulations. But I know that concept his too hard for your brain to handle
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Re: You wonder why God allows the devil and demons to exist ?
God’s light and greatness, by shining upon existence, reveals the insufficiencies and forms the darkness by the very principle of God’s light and greatness.

For by providing the light God makes the darkness known.
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Soul learning through trials and tribulations. But I know that concept his too hard for your brain to handle
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That’s not hard for my brain to understand and it’s one of the ideas I kick around from time to time.
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The trouble with having God act in any way would mean utter anhilation, because we all fall short
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Re: You wonder why God allows the devil and demons to exist ?
they exist to SERVE the "gods" - that is the purpose of their creation ... you can't expect gods to schlep around, they have other things to do ...Angels are messengers (answer prayers, demons deal with 'resistance' - but Lucifer and the other "angelic" creatures don't have free will - and are limited to dealing with members of "the kingdom of god, on Earth" who have joined of their own free will= They ALL do exactly what they are told to do

If you study Kabbalah, it will teach you the language of Angels and they will serve you as well ... the people who built the tower of Bable used Angels to help them build it, their intention was to storm heaven and demand that god stop interfering with life on Earth - that is why he "confounded" their language, to keep them from using Angel to serve them

god later gave Abram a copy of the "Book of Creation" which allowed him to use the Angels, to force pharaoh to free the slave, and protect them from his wrath - and to lead that motley band of generational slave, feed them mana, and train them to genocide any nation-state that stood in their way - without question - just like the Angels -which is difficult because Humans have Free WIll -

if you could just forget the Dogma and were honest with yourself - you would recognize that all the individual that god delt with personally - were despicable - starting with Abe himself, who slept with his sister, Sara and was kicked out if his home and two Nations because practiced blood rituals - was willing to sacrifice his first born son, to gain god's favor... ALL of god's "friends" were murderers, liars, thieves, adulterers, and pedophiles
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God’s light and greatness, by shining upon existence, reveals the insufficiencies and forms the darkness by the very principle of God’s light and greatness.

For by providing the light God makes the darkness known.
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You mean the darkness that god also created? He’s shining a flashlight in a room he knows every corner of and could see it without light.
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Re: You wonder why God allows the devil and demons to exist ?
they exist to SERVE the "gods" - that is the purpose of their creation ... you can't expect gods to schlep around, they have other things to do ...Angels are messengers (answer prayers, demons deal with 'resistance' - but Lucifer and the other "angelic" creatures don't have free will - and are limited to dealing with members of "the kingdom of god, on Earth" who have joined of their own free will= They ALL do exactly what they are told to do

If you study Kabbalah, it will teach you the language of Angels and they will serve you as well ... the people who built the tower of Bable used Angels to help them build it, their intention was to storm heaven and demand that god stop interfering with life on Earth - that is why he "confounded" their language, to keep them from using Angel to serve them

god later gave Abram a copy of the "Book of Creation" which allowed him to use the Angels, to force pharaoh to free the slave, and protect them from his wrath - and to lead that motley band of generational slave, feed them mana, and train them to genocide any nation-state that stood in their way - without question - just like the Angels -which is difficult because Humans have Free WIll -

if you could just forget the Dogma and were honest with yourself - you would recognize that all the individual that god delt with personally - were despicable - starting with Abe himself, who slept with his sister, Sara and was kicked out if his home and two Nations because practiced blood rituals - was willing to sacrifice his first born son, to gain god's favor... ALL of god's "friends" were murderers, liars, thieves, adulterers, and pedophiles
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awesome post. saving this to my computer
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Re: You wonder why God allows the devil and demons to exist ?
How could he stop it? New ones are being created everyday by the choices they make
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In abrahamic religions demons aren’t created by people’s free will. The demons were angels cast down from heaven or something.
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Do you like watching mob movies? Do you actually want to join the mob?
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Contrast- Good cannot exist without evil, simple as that.

And I hate to be the one that breaks the news... 'God' is not some benevolent old bearded guy in the sky hoping we all decide to love him. It is a bit more complicated...
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that's merely your limited perspective.
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Re: You wonder why God allows the devil and demons to exist ?
they exist to SERVE the "gods" - that is the purpose of their creation ... you can't expect gods to schlep around, they have other things to do ...Angels are messengers (answer prayers, demons deal with 'resistance' - but Lucifer and the other "angelic" creatures don't have free will - and are limited to dealing with members of "the kingdom of god, on Earth" who have joined of their own free will= They ALL do exactly what they are told to do

If you study Kabbalah, it will teach you the language of Angels and they will serve you as well ... the people who built the tower of Bable used Angels to help them build it, their intention was to storm heaven and demand that god stop interfering with life on Earth - that is why he "confounded" their language, to keep them from using Angel to serve them

god later gave Abram a copy of the "Book of Creation" which allowed him to use the Angels, to force pharaoh to free the slave, and protect them from his wrath - and to lead that motley band of generational slave, feed them mana, and train them to genocide any nation-state that stood in their way - without question - just like the Angels -which is difficult because Humans have Free WIll -

if you could just forget the Dogma and were honest with yourself - you would recognize that all the individual that god delt with personally - were despicable - starting with Abe himself, who slept with his sister, Sara and was kicked out if his home and two Nations because practiced blood rituals - was willing to sacrifice his first born son, to gain god's favor... ALL of god's "friends" were murderers, liars, thieves, adulterers, and pedophiles
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Wrong.

And Kabbalalala isn’t God.

See my comment above.
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God didn't create the murder of Abel because Cain was jealous?
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Re: You wonder why God allows the devil and demons to exist ?
God’s light and greatness, by shining upon existence, reveals the insufficiencies and forms the darkness by the very principle of God’s light and greatness.

For by providing the light God makes the darkness known.
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You mean the darkness that god also created? He’s shining a flashlight in a room he knows every corner of and could see it without light.
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Again, by providing the light the darkness is revealed. Not necessarily created in that way.
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they exist to SERVE the "gods" - that is the purpose of their creation ... you can't expect gods to schlep around, they have other things to do ...Angels are messengers (answer prayers, demons deal with 'resistance' - but Lucifer and the other "angelic" creatures don't have free will - and are limited to dealing with members of "the kingdom of god, on Earth" who have joined of their own free will= They ALL do exactly what they are told to do

If you study Kabbalah, it will teach you the language of Angels and they will serve you as well ... the people who built the tower of Bable used Angels to help them build it, their intention was to storm heaven and demand that god stop interfering with life on Earth - that is why he "confounded" their language, to keep them from using Angel to serve them

god later gave Abram a copy of the "Book of Creation" which allowed him to use the Angels, to force pharaoh to free the slave, and protect them from his wrath - and to lead that motley band of generational slave, feed them mana, and train them to genocide any nation-state that stood in their way - without question - just like the Angels -which is difficult because Humans have Free WIll -

if you could just forget the Dogma and were honest with yourself - you would recognize that all the individual that god delt with personally - were despicable - starting with Abe himself, who slept with his sister, Sara and was kicked out if his home and two Nations because practiced blood rituals - was willing to sacrifice his first born son, to gain god's favor... ALL of god's "friends" were murderers, liars, thieves, adulterers, and pedophiles
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awesome post. saving this to my computer
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I didn’t find it that impressive from a logical point of view. It didn’t really answer the question. The question is why do it at all if you are god. I’m thinking entertainment purposes like when we watch a mob movie. Your not going to actually join the mob it’s just entertainment
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God’s light and greatness, by shining upon existence, reveals the insufficiencies and forms the darkness by the very principle of God’s light and greatness.

For by providing the light God makes the darkness known.
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You mean the darkness that god also created? He’s shining a flashlight in a room he knows every corner of and could see it without light.
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Again, by providing the light the darkness is revealed. Not necessarily created in that way.
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God doesn’t need light to reveal it though. It’s already revealed to him weather there is light or not.
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God’s light and greatness, by shining upon existence, reveals the insufficiencies and forms the darkness by the very principle of God’s light and greatness.

For by providing the light God makes the darkness known.
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You mean the darkness that god also created? He’s shining a flashlight in a room he knows every corner of and could see it without light.
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Again, by providing the light the darkness is revealed. Not necessarily created in that way.
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God doesn’t need light to reveal it though. It’s already revealed to him weather there is light or not.
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We’re not talking about God only though. This obviously concerns humanity and creation.
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Re: You wonder why God allows the devil and demons to exist ?
God is everything.
Good, evil and otherwise.

How is this such a difficult concept to grasp?
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It’s not difficult you are missing the point. Certain religious groups seem to not ascertain this though. They act like God is separate from evil and has nothing to do with while out of the same belief saying God is all powerful and created everything. If we accept that as truth hypothetically then what could be the reasoning behind it. I was positing that it is possibly because introducing demons and the devil for god in our world could be entertaining for god who is apparently lonely and needed to create meat puppets with souls to keep him company. Weird my thread got resurrected btw.
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The problem is in what "God" actually is and what we're told "God" is supposed to be.


When most people talk about "God", they think they're referring to an omnipresent, omnipotent, omniscient entity that was the origin of all things.

However, what they are really referring to is a murderous, sinful entity with limited power who is the "God" of this world and inspiration for the Old Testament Bible.

Aka Satan, the old dragon who was cast down to Earth along with his angels, who deceived the whole world to make them believe he was god. God of the J, the father of lies.
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Re: You wonder why God allows the devil and demons to exist ?
God is everything.
Good, evil and otherwise.

How is this such a difficult concept to grasp?
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Wrong.

God is God. Not everything.
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the wicked are thrown down by their own sins


proverbs 14:32
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pray for mercy on everyone's soul hf
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You are kind of missing the point. God is saying the wicked have sinned but God created the wicked no? Can God not reason simple cause and effect?
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we are all born remembering we came from God, then our personalities get formed from our upbringing

then we choose to be evil or good

sometimes we may be good and sometimes we may be evil

man creates good and evil

God, Our Father in Heaven, is only good - and He is within us all
Cayce and Jesus - the Kingdom is within us all
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Re: You wonder why God allows the devil and demons to exist ?
God is everything.
Good, evil and otherwise.

How is this such a difficult concept to grasp?
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It’s not difficult you are missing the point. Certain religious groups seem to not ascertain this though. They act like God is separate from evil and has nothing to do with while out of the same belief saying God is all powerful and created everything. If we accept that as truth hypothetically then what could be the reasoning behind it. I was positing that it is possibly because introducing demons and the devil for god in our world could be entertaining for god who is apparently lonely and needed to create meat puppets with souls to keep him company. Weird my thread got resurrected btw.
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The problem is in what "God" actually is and what we're told "God" is supposed to be.


When most people talk about "God", they think they're referring to an omnipresent, omnipotent, omniscient entity that was the origin of all things.

However, what they are really referring to is a murderous, sinful entity with limited power who is the "God" of this world and inspiration for the Old Testament Bible.

Aka Satan, the old dragon who was cast down to Earth along with his angels, who deceived the whole world to make them believe he was god. God of the J, the father of lies.
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I don’t know I think you went too negative especially on that last part.
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Re: You wonder why God allows the devil and demons to exist ?
they exist to SERVE the "gods" - that is the purpose of their creation ... you can't expect gods to schlep around, they have other things to do ...Angels are messengers (answer prayers, demons deal with 'resistance' - but Lucifer and the other "angelic" creatures don't have free will - and are limited to dealing with members of "the kingdom of god, on Earth" who have joined of their own free will= They ALL do exactly what they are told to do

If you study Kabbalah, it will teach you the language of Angels and they will serve you as well ... the people who built the tower of Bable used Angels to help them build it, their intention was to storm heaven and demand that god stop interfering with life on Earth - that is why he "confounded" their language, to keep them from using Angel to serve them

god later gave Abram a copy of the "Book of Creation" which allowed him to use the Angels, to force pharaoh to free the slave, and protect them from his wrath - and to lead that motley band of generational slave, feed them mana, and train them to genocide any nation-state that stood in their way - without question - just like the Angels -which is difficult because Humans have Free WIll -

if you could just forget the Dogma and were honest with yourself - you would recognize that all the individual that god delt with personally - were despicable - starting with Abe himself, who slept with his sister, Sara and was kicked out if his home and two Nations because practiced blood rituals - was willing to sacrifice his first born son, to gain god's favor... ALL of god's "friends" were murderers, liars, thieves, adulterers, and pedophiles
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awesome post. saving this to my computer
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I didn’t find it that impressive from a logical point of view. It didn’t really answer the question. The question is why do it at all if you are god. I’m thinking entertainment purposes like when we watch a mob movie. Your not going to actually join the mob it’s just entertainment
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Likely due to a lack of understanding.

"God" created demons/archons to help him create the universe. Like the person said, they are his helpers. The problem is you are confusing "God" with an omnipotent, omniscient, omnipresent, benevolent entity.

If you read the Bible more closely you'll understand you're dealing with a thieving, murderous, child trafficking entity.
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Re: You wonder why God allows the devil and demons to exist ?
God is everything.
Good, evil and otherwise.

How is this such a difficult concept to grasp?
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It’s not difficult you are missing the point. Certain religious groups seem to not ascertain this though. They act like God is separate from evil and has nothing to do with while out of the same belief saying God is all powerful and created everything. If we accept that as truth hypothetically then what could be the reasoning behind it. I was positing that it is possibly because introducing demons and the devil for god in our world could be entertaining for god who is apparently lonely and needed to create meat puppets with souls to keep him company. Weird my thread got resurrected btw.
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The problem is in what "God" actually is and what we're told "God" is supposed to be.


When most people talk about "God", they think they're referring to an omnipresent, omnipotent, omniscient entity that was the origin of all things.

However, what they are really referring to is a murderous, sinful entity with limited power who is the "God" of this world and inspiration for the Old Testament Bible.

Aka Satan, the old dragon who was cast down to Earth along with his angels, who deceived the whole world to make them believe he was god. God of the J, the father of lies.
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I don’t know I think you went too negative especially on that last part.
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My whole argument is based on scripture.
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It’s not difficult you are missing the point. Certain religious groups seem to not ascertain this though. They act like God is separate from evil and has nothing to do with while out of the same belief saying God is all powerful and created everything. If we accept that as truth hypothetically then what could be the reasoning behind it. I was positing that it is possibly because introducing demons and the devil for god in our world could be entertaining for god who is apparently lonely and needed to create meat puppets with souls to keep him company. Weird my thread got resurrected btw.
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The problem is in what "God" actually is and what we're told "God" is supposed to be.


When most people talk about "God", they think they're referring to an omnipresent, omnipotent, omniscient entity that was the origin of all things.

However, what they are really referring to is a murderous, sinful entity with limited power who is the "God" of this world and inspiration for the Old Testament Bible.

Aka Satan, the old dragon who was cast down to Earth along with his angels, who deceived the whole world to make them believe he was god. God of the J, the father of lies.
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I don’t know I think you went too negative especially on that last part.
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My whole argument is based on scripture.
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See how Cain was not killed by God which shows how different he is from Cain, and the eye for an eye thing wasn't implemented
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The problem is in what "God" actually is and what we're told "God" is supposed to be.


When most people talk about "God", they think they're referring to an omnipresent, omnipotent, omniscient entity that was the origin of all things.

However, what they are really referring to is a murderous, sinful entity with limited power who is the "God" of this world and inspiration for the Old Testament Bible.

Aka Satan, the old dragon who was cast down to Earth along with his angels, who deceived the whole world to make them believe he was god. God of the J, the father of lies.
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I don’t know I think you went too negative especially on that last part.
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My whole argument is based on scripture.
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lolsign
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I'll make this fast.

"God" kills Babies. In Exodus, what does "God" do to the Egyptians to free Moses and his people? He kills all of their first born.

Why does an omnipotent and benevolent entity to resort to killing children?
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Marked as that thing that fell from heavens grace?





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