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A Young Earth? The Fossils Say No! Too many fossils in all the wrong places

 
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Video by Dr. Joel Duff. 54 minutes.


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The Bible does not imply a young earth.

Miss-translations in the Bible imply a young earth.

For example, the word DAY is translated from the Hebrew word YOM and although the word does indeed mean day, it also means ERA.

As in the world was created over a period of six ERAS. An ERA could be a billion years.
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Another thing that is misconstrued, is that Adam was the first man. This is not the case. Mankind is created on the 6th day in Gen 1.

Then God rests on the 7th day and only after he rested does he create Adam in Genesis 2.

We also know FOR A FACT that Adam lived 6,000 year ago, because his genealogy is given to us.
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One of the biggest deception is that Adam was the first man.


Another big deception is that the flood was worldwide. The Hebrew word for earth, as in the earth was flooded, is the word ERETS and it also means LAND or COUNTRY.

As in the whole country was flooded.
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TexasPaleo,

Who do you say that Jesus Christ is?


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Another big deception is that the flood was worldwide. The Hebrew word for earth, as in the earth was flooded, is the word ERETS and it also means LAND or COUNTRY.

As in the whole country was flooded.
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People have been led astray, because they did not receive a love for the truth.
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Says you.

Who do you say that Jesus Christ is?
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Once you copy/paste from a Creationist propaganda site you have no argument.

Present one thing at time not a wall of text.
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Not a creationist propaganda site. And none of the points have yet been countered by your Lyellian rhetoric.
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evolution theory was maybe good 100y ago, but today when modern science made such a progress, it feels like story for challenged kids.

matter created mind? Really, you are ready to say that we came from matter meaning non organic material....

How do you explain DNA code? If commie Darwin would know what DNA is and how it is formed he would never even though about evolution.

All around us has a creator, like it or not, if you are pro science, you will know this.

Entire atheist science is based on science discovered by scientist who believed in God the creator.
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I remember being taught this in 5th grade. Got in trouble for laughing at the teacher. Never took this bullshit seriously ever again.


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Huge tsunamis wash over the continents when the Earth flips every 12500 years.
It deposits sea life 1000's of miles from the oceans.
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"The existence of billions of fossils all over the Earth points to a unique, global, watery catastrophe, because fossilization is a rare occurrence and we do not find anything forming today that compares with the fossil graveyards of the past where thousands of marine and land-dwelling creatures were drowned and buried together.
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What graveyard of marine and land-dwelling creatures? Like dinosaurs with plesiosaurs? There are no such places that is just a lie. Large marine animals are exclusively restricted to marine beds. Terrestrial animals are exclusively restricted to terrestrial beds. You DO see some overlaps at near shore deposits and where dinos get washed out to sea because they fall into rivers but also dinosaurs hung out in tidal planes which is why we have so many dinosaur tracks.

All over the Earth, we find billions of marine creatures buried together. For example, according to Dr. Andrew A. Snelling:

'...billions of straight-shelled, chambered nautiloids are found fossilized with other marine creatures in a 7 foot (2 m) thick layer within the Redwall Limestone of Grand Canyon. This fossil graveyard stretches for 180 miles (290 km) across northern Arizona and into southern Nevada, covering an area of at least 10,500 square miles (30,000 km2).'
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A common marine environment will have the same creatures and therefore the same fossils. The Red Wall limestone is Mississippian age and the fossils in it are critters restricted to the Mississippian age nothing younger. You will not find dinosaurs or plesiosaurs or mammals in the Red Wall limestone

No geological event in the recorded history of the last four thousand years could even begin to explain how these kinds of animal graveyards were made...
 Quoting: GravyForTheBrian

Basic Geology explains very well Flood "geology" does not.


The fact that we find billions and billions of beautifully preserved remains of marine creatures mixed with the remains of land creatures tells us that some unique event was responsible for the preservation of fossils on this scale.
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Where?

The sedimentary rock layers exposed in the walls of Grand Canyon belong to six megasequences that can be traced across North America. At the base of these layers are huge boulders and sand beds that are evidences of sediments being laid down rapidly across the entire USA.
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"Megasequences" is a made up term. They don't like the established Periods and stages based on actual faunal adn environmental changes seen in actual Geology so they made up their own terms that actually means nothing and correlates to nothing. Pure pseudo-science.

The chalk beds of southern England can be traced across France, Germany, and Poland, all the way to the Middle East. What kind of geological phenomenon observed in recent times could lay down water-borne sediments over three continents!
 Quoting: GravyForTheBrian

I have no idea how far the White Cliffs extend. Irrelevent.
The stupid thing with bringing this up is that chalk is composed totally of microfossil calcium shells that ONLY accumulate and precipitate in very deep calm water over incredible lengths of time. Is the author punking the reader?

Coal beds offer another example of massive deposition of sediments over multiple continents. Dr. Andrew A. Snelling explains:
 Quoting: GravyForTheBrian

Snelling is not a credible source people have done videos on him debunking his lies.

'In the northern hemisphere, the Upper Carboniferous (Pennsylvanian) coal beds of the eastern and Midwest USA are the same coal beds, with the same plant fossils, as those in Britain and Europe. They stretch halfway around the globe, from Texas to the Donetz Basin north of the Caspian Sea in the former USSR.'
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They were deposited during the Carboniferous Period around 300+ million years ago when the continents were still attached spread across the equator not at their current positions. The Appalachian Mountains are absolutely identical in layering to the Mountains of Scotland because they were attached next to each other in the Carboniferous there was no Atlantic Ocean at that time.


It is important to note that, according to Dr. Andrew A. Snelling,
'At the boundaries between some sedimentary layers we find evidence of only rapid erosion.'
 Quoting: GravyForTheBrian

You see erosion everywhere what's the point?
This strongly indicates that the sediments that hardened into these layers must have been laid down rapidly and almost simultaneously.
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Doesn't work that way lithification is a long process. Hard layers indicate physical compression by other sediments over a very long time. What does he means by "sediments". There is no single "sediments" anywhere certainly not the entire Geologic Column. They are all different types of depositions under different ENVIRONMENTS. The author is shockingly ignorant... or lying.


All over the world one can find polystrate fossils which cut through multiple layers of sedimentary rock, layers which, according to the conventional evolutionary time-scale, were deposited over tens or hundreds of thousands, or even millions of years. The existence of polystrate fossils testifies to the rapid and catastrophic deposition of sediments and contradicts the Lyellian understanding of sedimentary deposition.
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The examples given are all Paleozoic trees in swamps where there is no decay and rapid regular local flooding events. The layers also show roots and regrowth at multiple horizons which proves the example tree got buried and new ones regrew regrew on the newer layer and the area got buried again. They are actually evidence against the Flood not for the Flood. This is a terrible argument for Flood people to use.


In recent decades sedimentologists who study the way that sediments are laid down in nature to form sedimentary rocks have built huge laboratories where they can do empirical research in their field. This research has revealed that Lyell and his disciples failed to take adequate account of the role played by moving currents of water in the deposition of sediments.
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Lyell was a proponent of "uniformitarianism" which was the belief ALL geology was from slow processes only as a contrast to "catastrophism". No Geologists today clings to either strict view.


In sedimentological laboratories, scientists have discovered that sediments are deposited by moving currents of water very differently from the way that Lyell and his disciples imagined. Instead of slow and gradual vertical deposition of sediment, moving currents of water deposit water-borne sediments laterally and vertically at the same time, according to their physical characteristics.
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You mean when Kent Hovind poured sand, rocks and dirt into a fish tank and said he proved the Flood because he got layers? Of course density had nothing to do with that sorting.

In recent years, geologists have reinterpreted several huge sedimentary rock formations in light of empirical research in sedimentology, including the Tonto Group, a large section of the Grand Canyon depicted below. According to a peer-reviewed article published in the journal of the French Geological Society, careful analysis of the sediments that make up this formation indicate that the whole deposit was laid down rapidly—in a matter of days or weeks, not millions of years—by an enormous body of water moving from east to west across what is now the Southwestern United States.
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Yes. Geologists frequently reinterpret old conclusions when they discover new data. That's how science works. Geologist are still examining old locations trying to squeeze out new information.

Another common observation consistent with the historical reality of the Global Flood is the beautiful sharp folding of multiple sedimentary layers within uplifted and folded mountain ranges which can be witnessed all over the Earth. If these layers had been laid down over millions of years, there ought to be some evidence of cracking and fracturing of the more ancient layers during the folding and uplifting of the mountains. Instead, all over the Earth, one observes multiple layers of sedimentary rock, folded in beautiful tight folds, without any fracturing—a clear indication that all of the sediments were laid down rapidly at more or less the same time, and that there were no long intervals of time between them.
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The notion that the continental plates moved where they are during the Flood (Hydro-Plate Theory) is complete insanity. They move at like a couple inches a year we've measured them with satellites. This is one the most insane YEC beliefs that the continents flowed across the oceans in one year. People have calculated the friction would have boiled away the oceans and melted Earth's crust. Look up "The Heat Problem" is also applied to radiometric dating. We've also radiometrcially dated the basalts that parallel the Atlantic Ridge and they are younger near the ridge and progressively older (millions of years) near the continents just as they would be if they have been spreading apart for millions of years.. It's almost like we can use science to actually figure stuff out.


These features of the Earth go hand in hand with other features that characterize enormous areas of the Earth’s surface: water gaps, over-sized valleys, and planation surfaces.

Water gaps and over-sized river valleys constitute two other world-wide geological phenomena that testify to a recent global Flood. Water gaps can be found all over the surface of the Earth.
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Erosion happens. The more time the more erosion. In Texas we have a jump from Paleozoic to mid-Cretaceous layers. Where did the middle layers (Triassic Period, Jurassic Period) go if ALL layers are the same "deposition"? Huh?

Flood geologists interpret these gaps as relicts of channelized flow that occurred as waters receded from a worldwide inundation...Conventional geologists have proposed various solutions to the problem such as antecedent streams or headward erosion, but none of these processes are currently observed, and most geologists admit that water gaps are difficult to explain in terms of presently observed natural processes.
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??

A related feature of river valleys all over the world is their enormous size relative to the size of the rivers that flow through them. According to geologist Steve Austin,

'Studies by G.H. Dury on modern stream channels and river valleys prove that many are too large for the streams that they contain. He argues that most modern streams at some point on their channel are "underfit." Dury speaks of the "continent-wide distribution of underfit streams." Using channel meander characteristics, Dury concludes that streams frequently had 20 to 60 times their present discharge.'
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TIME dumbasses.

The same geological forces that produced enormous sedimentary deposits extending from one continent to another also left behind enormous planation surfaces as Flood waters receded from the continents and flowed into the ocean basins. For example, almost two-thirds of the entire land surface of the African continent is a planation surface, sheared off by the receding waters of the Flood as they flowed into the oceans. No geological event since the Flood has come close to producing the kinds of effects that can still be observed all over the Earth as a consequence of that unique global cataclysm." [link to kolbecenter.org (secure)]
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Not a creationist propaganda site. And none of the points have yet been countered by your Lyellian rhetoric.
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Lyell had no idea how old the Earth was but science has proved it is very old, demonstrably far older than 6,000 years.

Mendell had no idea how the observable rules of inheritance actually worked but eventually science discovered genes.

Darwin had no proof that similar species of animals shared common but DNA proved it. DNA also validated the concept of a Tree of Life.

All these men reckoned these facts through observation and reason before any modern tools. The list could be far, far longer.

I consider purposely clinging to ignorance and superstition a moral failing.

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The "soft-tissue" is evidently collagen that got molecularly cross-linked with iron essentially preserving it like formaldehyde. It's fossil tissue the same way we have fossil wood or fossil bone or fossil plants.

The woman that found it is a FORMER Young Earth Creationist but still a Christian.

Iron replaced and pyrite replaced fossils are common I have many. My fossil ammonites and fossil crustaceans might have some similar preservation inside them as well but I'm not going to dissolves them in acid to find out what remains like she did with dinosaur bone.

This is just a NEW mode of preservation previously unknown.

There is no dinosaur "blood" as many falsely claim it's remnant iron from the red blood cells not the cells themselves.

Any time you honestly investigate a Creationist claim it's ALWAYS wrong, demonstrably wrong.

Robert Bakker is a famous paleontologist but also a preacher.

Why do some people insist on a literal interpretation of Genesis? Most Christians don't have this conflict.

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The earth has so many evidences of major global flood.
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A global flood is perfectly acceptable by science and doesn't mean a young earth.

What kind of stupid argument is that?

Look up younger dryas event
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The Earth has expanded. All of the land masses fit together nicely on a smaller sized Earth. And the mating surfaces of the now separated land masses share common plant life.

At one time, most everything was covered by water. There are sea fossils up on hillsides to prove it.

At some point, Earth was hit by a moon sized object and this might have added to the side of Earth. They can see it embedded in the Earth with their fancy scanners.

You can look up Expanding Earth theory. I did a thread on it about a year ago.

Found it.

Thread: Theory on Earth Expanding





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I remember being taught this in 5th grade. Got in trouble for laughing at the teacher. Never took this bullshit seriously ever again.


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Well, actually since that time the evidence is even stronger.

We now have more transitional fossils and we now have DNA proving the closet genetic relatives of whales (which everyone accepts are mammals) are in fact the hippos.

They both had a common artiodactyl ancestor.

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TexasPaleo,

Who do you say that Jesus Christ is?


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Just get it on the table.

Do you believe in Jesus Christ or not?
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TexasPaleo,

Who do you say that Jesus Christ is?


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Just get it on the table.

Do you believe in Jesus Christ or not?
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Jesus never preached young earth creationism nor rapture

Those are both modern protestant American inventions
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The earth has so many evidences of major global flood. “Carbon dating” is based on fallacies. But hey, it makes more sense that over billions of years, those sea shells moved up with the ground as mountains formed… We all came from nothing. My earliest ancestor was a rock? Lmao. Your religion of evolution is a comical joke at best….
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Humans dont know anything.

They think they know it all, but we dont know fuck all.

We have no clue what sort of things happened in the past (both natural events and man-made events). If any advanced society existed in the past, and if it was far more advanced than us now, then we dont have a fucking clue at what they were capable of.

Perhaps they had mass weapons that could flash-fossilize or flash-petrify their enemies and the lands.

Which makes every so called "historical finding" completely irrelevant and at best .... a total guess.
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I remember being taught this in 5th grade. Got in trouble for laughing at the teacher. Never took this bullshit seriously ever again.


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Well, actually since that time the evidence is even stronger.

We now have more transitional fossils and we now have DNA proving the closet genetic relatives of whales (which everyone accepts are mammals) are in fact the hippos.

They both had a common artiodactyl ancestor.
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Come on Bro. A Hippo isn't going to magically morph into a whale.
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The only true holy book we have at the moment is the Koran.

And according to the Koran, the word of God, yes, the world is old. Even the universes are old, and the time of the apocalypse, the Big Crunch, is near.
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The earth has so many evidences of major global flood. “Carbon dating” is based on fallacies. But hey, it makes more sense that over billions of years, those sea shells moved up with the ground as mountains formed… We all came from nothing. My earliest ancestor was a rock? Lmao. Your religion of evolution is a comical joke at best….
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Watch the video you might learn something which is better than being ignorant.

Joel Duff is a Christian by the way.
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Anyone who makes it their mission to trash Genesis is not a Christian. This guy has serious funding to push evolution, he isn't some random youtuber. I'll stick with the infallible word of God, thanks.
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If you don’t believe the Bible, you’re not much of a Christian. I’ve spent more hours than necessary for one person studying creation from a biblical perspective. Genesis clearly lays out the foundations of creation, how it happened, and when. It’s not open for yours or anyone else’s interpretation. If you’re claiming to be a Christian and arguing the earth is billions of years old, you’re a wolf in sheep’s clothing. Pretty simple. Carbon dating is subjective at best. That’s all there is to it. Nice try though pal.
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Young Earth Creationism fails horrifically every possible way it can be analyzed and tested whether by looking at Geology, Taxonomy, Bio-geography, Phylogenetics, DNA, the Fossil Record and so many more ways we can study Earth and life.

When you have a continuous German tree ring record going back 12,000 years and annual ice cores layers going back 800,000 years it's time to doubt the story.

When everything alive can be fitted into nested hierarchies that can be validated with DNA and phylogeny studies it's time to doubt the insane concept that the millions of living species are all distinct created "kinds". They are not, they are related through common ancestry way back... thaty is EVERY. SINGLE. CREATURE on the planet including the millions of extinct species.

By the way carbon dating is only good for about 50,000 years back so it can not be used for things that are millions of years old they use other elements. You are displaying your ignorance.

Quick lesson: When radioactive uranium is taken up in lava and the rock cools the uranium decays to lead at a known rate. When you measure the ratio of parent (uranium) to daughter (lead) you know how long the rock has been a rock and therefore you now have a minimum age of that rock. That fact that when you radiometrically the volcanic rock in the Geologic Column they date from younger as you go up and older as you go down. Funny, isn't it? It's almost like we can use science to figure things out.
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Lol. Everything you say is bullshit.
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You got served in this thread, Op.

Better luck next time.
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The only true holy book we have at the moment is the Koran.

And according to the Koran, the word of God, yes, the world is old. Even the universes are old, and the time of the apocalypse, the Big Crunch, is near.
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In an infinite universe...

Any amount of time...is a very short time.
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In an infinite universe...

Any amount of time...is a very short time.
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You got served in this thread, Op.

Better luck next time.
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personally I do not think they can truly know I also do not think it matters at least on a spirtual level. God very easily could have created the Earth in exactly 6 days as he stated but has reused it over and over for new groups of humans etc which is why you find odd things like modern artifacts in coal that is 30 million years old, nothing new under the sun
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Then why can we extract soft tissue from all dinosaur "fossils";



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And why do all cultures around the globe describe hunting dinosaurs, which they called dragons and worms?

Why did primitive cultures draw them an walls, as part of their hunt scenes?

So, either the earth is young, or dinosaurs were around for a whole lot longer then established science is claiming.

Moreover, sedimentary rock can form in a very short time...in under 20 years, rather than the thousands of years scientists claim.

If it took thousands of years, there would be no fossils, as the underlying tissues would have simply disintegrated.





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