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A Young Earth? The Fossils Say No! Too many fossils in all the wrong places

 
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Re: A Young Earth? The Fossils Say No! Too many fossils in all the wrong places
And why do all cultures around the globe describe hunting dinosaurs, which they called dragons and worms?
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Um, all depictions of dragons have features and shapes that match no know dinosaurs. More often they are chimeras which are clearly mythological not real animals.

Why did primitive cultures draw them an walls, as part of their hunt scenes?
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There are handful of drawings that are often mis-interpreted as dinosaurs. People see things in clouds also.

So, either the earth is young, or dinosaurs were around for a whole lot longer then established science is claiming.
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People have been documenting the Geologic Column for 200+ years and recording the fossils in the layers. We have yet to find dinosaurs outside the zone identified as Triassic/Jurassic/Cretaceous. We have yet to find a dinosaur bearing formation that dates to younger than 66 million years. More importantly we have yet to find modern animals mixed in with dinosaurs. We have yet to find trilobites outside the deeper Paleozoic layers. There's an incredibly predictable order to the Geologic Column.

If the Flood was true and supposedly the cause of the entire Geologic Column (everything above the basement granites) then you would see one continuous homogeneous layer thousands of feet thick that contains a random distribution of every possible animal.

Young Earth Creationists try to fool people into believing that is what exists under their feet but this is the complete opposite of what we see. That is a demonstrable LIE that even a child can debunk. You can debunk it yourself simply by getting into fossil hunting and you'll quickly realized you were massively deceived.

Back in the 1700s the first Geologists discovered that species are well sorted and restricted to layers and zones there is no random distribution.

It's so consistent if you know the age of the layer you can predict what fossils that will be in it. If you are given a locally found fossil with no details you can probably guess what specific geologic layer it was pulled from. Geologic maps are treasure maps for fossil hunters. Fossil hunters don't randomly poke shovels in the ground they use geologic maps and sequences to read the layers and target specific fossils. If I drive 50 or 100 miles into the country to collect fossils in a new location I already KNOW what to expect because of my geologic map.

Moreover, sedimentary rock can form in a very short time...in under 20 years, rather than the thousands of years scientists claim.
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How quickly limestone can limestone is irrelevant. Just because it can form relatively quick in one area under certain conditions does NOT mean all limestone everywhere was formed at the same time. What's more important is what fossils it contains and the sequence of layers above and below which gives the geologic history of the area.

We can make a detailed geologic section diagrams and plot the regular sea level changes across millions of years. The nature of the sediments that makes up the the layers can literally detail progressive (rising) and regressive (droping) sequences of the sea.

In the Green River Formation the ancient annual lake bed deposits are so good that they have literally identified the Malankovich Cycles in the individual layers.

If it took thousands of years, there would be no fossils, as the underlying tissues would have simply disintegrated.
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Nearly all fossils are just the hard parts such as bones and shells. Terrestrial fossils depends on quick burial in muds or sands.

Marine fossil are by far the most numerous type of fossils and when a marine animal dies it's remains get mineralized much faster because of the water.

The rarity of fossilization multiplied by the huge amount of marine of fossils that even children can find tells us there was an immense amount of life that existed in the past. That's the central point of Joel Duff's video. It would be physically impossible for all animals found in the Fossil Record to have existed at the same time. There are too many fossils.

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The earth has so many evidences of major global flood. “Carbon dating” is based on fallacies. But hey, it makes more sense that over billions of years, those sea shells moved up with the ground as mountains formed… We all came from nothing. My earliest ancestor was a rock? Lmao. Your religion of evolution is a comical joke at best….
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Watch the video you might learn something which is better than being ignorant.

Joel Duff is a Christian by the way.
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If you don’t believe the Bible, you’re not much of a Christian. I’ve spent more hours than necessary for one person studying creation from a biblical perspective. Genesis clearly lays out the foundations of creation, how it happened, and when. It’s not open for yours or anyone else’s interpretation. If you’re claiming to be a Christian and arguing the earth is billions of years old, you’re a wolf in sheep’s clothing. Pretty simple. Carbon dating is subjective at best. That’s all there is to it. Nice try though pal.
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Look pal YOU ARE WRONG!!!, not just a little bit in error, but completely head in the sand, brainwashed and in full denial of the utterly obvious and proven FACTS. You are in no better a position that an Islamotard insisting the Koran is the complete final and authoratative word of Allah.

I can fully understand the Satanic Pedovores deciding that there is no reasoning with such blind wilful stupidity, all you can do is trick deceive and eradicate them.
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Re: A Young Earth? The Fossils Say No! Too many fossils in all the wrong places
The earth has so many evidences of major global flood. “Carbon dating” is based on fallacies. But hey, it makes more sense that over billions of years, those sea shells moved up with the ground as mountains formed… We all came from nothing. My earliest ancestor was a rock? Lmao. Your religion of evolution is a comical joke at best….
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Watch the video you might learn something which is better than being ignorant.

Joel Duff is a Christian by the way.
 Quoting: TexasPaleo

Ignorant for not accepting an opinion?

pfffft

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Re: A Young Earth? The Fossils Say No! Too many fossils in all the wrong places
The rarity of fossilization...
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Fossilization can happen a lot faster than many scientists are willing to admit.

..

On another note...so are you...

1. A descendent of apes?

2. Evolved from a puddle of primordial black goo?

Other than being a Creation of God, those are your choices.

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Re: A Young Earth? The Fossils Say No! Too many fossils in all the wrong places
He might be a great archeologist, but he is no cosmologist or physicist

Time is not linear

He is basing all his dating on the false assumption of linear time.
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Re: A Young Earth? The Fossils Say No! Too many fossils in all the wrong places
We can put the Genesis story to the test and it fails every possible way. A story written by Bronze Age people who literally had no real understanding of the World around them should not be take as literal history. It's an allegory which was the common way of writing back then.

Writing literal history with sources that can be verified is a fairly new idea.

This is not a battle between a belief in higher power and atheism.

The failure of the Genesis story is not only evident in Geology it also extends to genetics and taxonomy.

As already stated there are no distinct genetic "kinds" as the Bible suggests.

Also a few people surviving on a big boat 4,000 years ago would create something called a genetic bottleneck (lack of genetic diversity). We can identify bottleneck in the DNA of people and animals and work out the time period based on random DNA mutation rates.

The fact is there is NO Human genetic bottleneck around 4,000 years ago.

Based on known mutation rates Y-DNA haplogroups converged about 100,000-200,000 years ago and Mitochondrial haplogroups converged about 100,000 years ago. That would be when modern Humans became the main Hominid species.

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Re: A Young Earth? The Fossils Say No! Too many fossils in all the wrong places
We can put the Genesis story to the test and it fails every possible way. A story written by Bronze Age people who literally had no real understanding of the World around them should not be take as literal history. It's an allegory which was the common way of writing back then.

Writing literal history with sources that can be verified is a fairly new idea.

This is not a battle between a belief in higher power and atheism.

The failure of the Genesis story is not only evident in Geology it also extends to genetics and taxonomy.

As already stated there are no distinct genetic "kinds" as the Bible suggests.

Also a few people surviving on a big boat 4,000 years ago would create something called a genetic bottleneck (lack of genetic diversity). We can identify bottleneck in the DNA of people and animals and work out the time period based on random DNA mutation rates.

The fact is there is NO Human genetic bottleneck around 4,000 years ago.

Based on known mutation rates Y-DNA haplogroups converged about 100,000-200,000 and Mitochondrial haplogroups converged about 100,000 years ago.
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All declared wrong because of one bad assumption about time.

Until you understand the nature of space-time you will keep being wrong.
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Re: A Young Earth? The Fossils Say No! Too many fossils in all the wrong places
oh look another government shill trying to teach us we come from monkeys
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Re: A Young Earth? The Fossils Say No! Too many fossils in all the wrong places

The rarity of fossilization...
Fossilization can happen a lot faster than many scientists are willing to admit.
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There is no set rate it depends on surrounding conditions. In the fossil record you see both incredible preservation as well as terrible preservation but most things DO NOT preserve. Your "gotcha" is not a gotcha.

I've have fossils with 3-D preservation and fossils compressed flat as a piece of paper or cardboard.

On another note...so are you...

1. A descendent of apes?
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Humans ARE apes. We inherited the same characteristics that separates apes from the monkeys and both from pre-monkey forms. You don't escape your ancestral group you just accumulate modifications. Dog and cats descend from the same group of carnivores. We literally share 99% of our coding DNA with chimpanzees.

2. Evolved from a puddle of primordial black goo?
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The early pre-life seas were a soup of minerals and chains of amino acids randomly linking and forming larger chains and peptides which are the building blocks of life. Imagine millions of microscopic actions happening in every drop of water in every ocean/sea. That's a lot.

Eventually molecular evolution takes hold and favors chains that can pull in simple carbohydrates and also form bio-film layers that protect the chains.

After that biological evolution takes off and you get proto-cells evolve into better cells and then into multi-cellular things.

Other than being a Creation of God, those are your choices.
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If there's a God he gave me the intellect to understand all these things.

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Re: A Young Earth? The Fossils Say No! Too many fossils in all the wrong places
On another note...so are you...

1. A descendent of apes?
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Humans ARE apes. We inherited the same characteristics that separates apes from the monkeys...
 Quoting: TexasPaleo

Whatever you say monkey boy.

You may have the same characteristics as them.

It's showing in what you believe.

I don't.

2. Evolved from a puddle of primordial black goo?
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The early pre-life seas were a soup of minerals and chains of amino acids randomly linking and forming larger chains and peptides...
 Quoting: TexasPaleo

Nothing but a theory.

NO viable life has ever been produced by mixing basic elements in a test tube.

NONE.

Other than being a Creation of God, those are your choices.
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If there's a God he gave me the intellect to understand all these things.
 Quoting: TexasPaleo

You Academia types get more ignorant with every new class that graduates.

Your kiind is of the thinking that males can be born 'by accident' into female bodies.

Science - and Academia as a whole - have turned into the laughing stock of humanity.

You're a prime example of why this country and world is going down the toilet bowl.

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