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Bryan Kohberger case, guilty, innocent, framed to hide the real killers?

 
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I must admit, I didn’t look into these horrific murders at the time very much except to notice that the police were under tremendous pressure as time dragged on and no arrest/arrests were made. I prayed for the poor families involved, that they would find some form of justice and that the killer would be found. Time -progressed and I did not revisit this tragedy again till recently.

Up popped a video about the case and naturally it had Bryan Kohberger guilty.
I listened and noticed some strangeness about the case. After a few hours of more investigating on my part I became very uneasy, I began to wonder, is it possible he isn’t the guilty party? Is he guilty but others are also involved?

I started to wonder if they even have enough evidence to hold him, and then I found out later that his lawyers feel the same and have tried to get the judge to throw out the case.

Have any of you glp sleuths looked into this case, help clear things up?
One oddity was they were going to tear down the house to make a memorial, which sounds wonderful, except they were -planning on doing this before he’s even tried?! Also his two sisters both lost their jobs just because they are relatives! Any number of small supposed evidence/clues could be very easily explained and if used would seem common everyday things we all might do.

This man may be guilty, but my God, if he’s not…then the real perps are still at lodge.
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100% innocent.

No hard evidence against the poor kid
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I definitely think there is more to the case. The fact that the other roommate was in the house and saw the murder and didn't call the police for like 7 more hours... is crazy and suspicious.

I don't think he acted alone. I think there was like a Manson-like group that did it. Kohberger probably coordinated the attack, but I don't think he killed the 4 people alone.

And I do not think they have enough evidence to convict him. No murder weapon, no real DNA. Even the DNA sample they got off the sheath, was poor and not really enough the be accurate.

I think he was involved and is guilty but I do not think the DA can prove it beyond a reasonable doubt.

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100% innocent.

No hard evidence against the poor kid
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Just curious, what was the biggest ah ha moment for you?
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Ah bryan.. yes... number 33
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The lack of evidence provided by the prosecution.

No DNA evidence no cell phone data etc
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the time period the car arrives and leaves between - which they say is Kohberger = not enough time.

The 2nd time the police went in they used something like luminol and found blood stain which had been cleaned such that it was not visible on the first time popo went in - not enough time - to do all that and clean up.
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Innocent set up an
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a speck of Kohberger DNA found on carefully placed knife sheath - not found on the first DNA check - could be transfer DNA - if large blood stain cleaned -

x4 murders and no other DNA raises a question mark.


Car on cctv looked like kohberger vehicle but not identified by number plates.


edit - i think they will struggle to produce a vehicle with his licence plate as if he was being patsied up I think they replicated the wrong plate - as he had changed his from PA to Idaho very recently - so any with his old plate would prove incorrect.


I don't recall exactly, but a couple of weeks prior to the murders, Kohberger was pulled re his out of state plates and had ordered the new ones.

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the time period the car arrives and leaves between - which they say is Kohberger = not enough time.
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It looks more like he picked somebody up, or dropped them off.
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Why the blurry low quality screenshot with the back of a phone superimposed?


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So guilty.
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If I could maybe interject and mention I have been following this since the investigations got the eye of the internet sleuth community.

I particularly found the armchair sleuths involvement widely accepted. I remember one morning shortly after authorities identifying an Elantra possibly used in the crime, one was found by someone abandoned after what looked like a car crash.

Then, some lady called T-Rev and said she had seen a car in her neighborhood where Brian lived with Washington plates or something that people wondered if these sleuths were leading the investigation.

So, all we know as real 'evidence' or as a 'lead' is Brian has a car like the one identified that night.

This small town, with like no previous horrendous murders suddenly has a armed barricade domestic dispute thing with the security guard guy Brent Kopacka<sp?>

He died in that standoff. WTF. Who needs to die in a standoff in that town?

The DNA of a finger print on a button/snap. Let me tell you. If you own a KABAR, you most likely use the 1/4 inch of canvas on that flap to unsheathe the knife; flicking it with your finger. But if you were putting the knife AWAY and securing it, you would press on the snap.


So where this takes me is to think that Brent and Brian were on an evening drive...Brent probably had a beef and used Brian's knife. straight out took it between the seat without brian knowing. And I think Brent went in and Brian sat in the car going WTF is going on.

Now. If I were to take a look at the elephants in the room. The HEX hat the father wore numerous times in interviews shows that this isn't some po-dunk town. They are with the times. So between one of the girls mothers being in jail, and someone who flaunts crypto mech, I would suspect there was drugs and money involved.

My simple thoughts basically are the main catalysts to this are Brent and Xana's mom.
Brent is the plug.
Brian is just a bystander with a lot of knowledge about how things are legal and not.
Cara Northington, the mother of Xana Kernodle was jailed for trafficking - represented by lawyer Anne Taylor and then that lawyer literally dumped her for Brian on his first day of court - and now an inactive attorney.

I think Cara arranged many party favors through her daughter Xena. I think somethings didn't get paid or put into the right crypto wallet for appropriate laundering and Brian is just the guy who knows all the pieces that matter.

I think Brian knows if he remains in prison it will strengthen his case for wrongful imprisonment and he will be able to sue everyone for defamation. They really have very little on him and could technically put as much on the deceased Brent K. as they could Brian...but dont.

It's gonna get good by the time the trial starts. And when those girls who really don't want to go on the stand are cross examined, shit is gonna hit the fan.

I even think Brian knows Dylan through Brent and its gonna get juicy. Brian should walk if what I say above makes any sense to someone who has paid attention.

And, hey wheres that one kid that was the boyfriend? What happened to him never a suspect, okay.
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If I could maybe interject and mention I have been following this since the investigations got the eye of the internet sleuth community.

I particularly found the armchair sleuths involvement widely accepted. I remember one morning shortly after authorities identifying an Elantra possibly used in the crime, one was found by someone abandoned after what looked like a car crash.

Then, some lady called T-Rev and said she had seen a car in her neighborhood where Brian lived with Washington plates or something that people wondered if these sleuths were leading the investigation.

So, all we know as real 'evidence' or as a 'lead' is Brian has a car like the one identified that night.

This small town, with like no previous horrendous murders suddenly has a armed barricade domestic dispute thing with the security guard guy Brent Kopacka<sp?>

He died in that standoff. WTF. Who needs to die in a standoff in that town?

The DNA of a finger print on a button/snap. Let me tell you. If you own a KABAR, you most likely use the 1/4 inch of canvas on that flap to unsheathe the knife; flicking it with your finger. But if you were putting the knife AWAY and securing it, you would press on the snap.


So where this takes me is to think that Brent and Brian were on an evening drive...Brent probably had a beef and used Brian's knife. straight out took it between the seat without brian knowing. And I think Brent went in and Brian sat in the car going WTF is going on.

Now. If I were to take a look at the elephants in the room. The HEX hat the father wore numerous times in interviews shows that this isn't some po-dunk town. They are with the times. So between one of the girls mothers being in jail, and someone who flaunts crypto mech, I would suspect there was drugs and money involved.

My simple thoughts basically are the main catalysts to this are Brent and Xana's mom.
Brent is the plug.
Brian is just a bystander with a lot of knowledge about how things are legal and not.
Cara Northington, the mother of Xana Kernodle was jailed for trafficking - represented by lawyer Anne Taylor and then that lawyer literally dumped her for Brian on his first day of court - and now an inactive attorney.

I think Cara arranged many party favors through her daughter Xena. I think somethings didn't get paid or put into the right crypto wallet for appropriate laundering and Brian is just the guy who knows all the pieces that matter.

I think Brian knows if he remains in prison it will strengthen his case for wrongful imprisonment and he will be able to sue everyone for defamation. They really have very little on him and could technically put as much on the deceased Brent K. as they could Brian...but dont.

It's gonna get good by the time the trial starts. And when those girls who really don't want to go on the stand are cross examined, shit is gonna hit the fan.

I even think Brian knows Dylan through Brent and its gonna get juicy. Brian should walk if what I say above makes any sense to someone who has paid attention.

And, hey wheres that one kid that was the boyfriend? What happened to him never a suspect, okay.
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Thanks, you filled in alot of holes.
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Not sure what to think about this case. But as usual with these media grabbing cases we clearly do not know
the actual events. Not sure if he is innocent or guilty,
part of a ritual killing or not, or a even possibly
a fall guy who was set up.

My gut tells me this event was part of a ritual of some sort.
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Not sure what to think about this case. But as usual with these media grabbing cases we clearly do not know
the actual events. Not sure if he is innocent or guilty,
part of a ritual killing or not, or a even possibly
a fall guy who was set up.

My gut tells me this event was part of a ritual of some sort.
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I agree, much more than we are being told, also wondered early on about the college and possible dark groups within, even possibly faculty?
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If I could maybe interject and mention I have been following this since the investigations got the eye of the internet sleuth community.

I particularly found the armchair sleuths involvement widely accepted. I remember one morning shortly after authorities identifying an Elantra possibly used in the crime, one was found by someone abandoned after what looked like a car crash.

Then, some lady called T-Rev and said she had seen a car in her neighborhood where Brian lived with Washington plates or something that people wondered if these sleuths were leading the investigation.

So, all we know as real 'evidence' or as a 'lead' is Brian has a car like the one identified that night.

This small town, with like no previous horrendous murders suddenly has a armed barricade domestic dispute thing with the security guard guy Brent Kopacka<sp?>

He died in that standoff. WTF. Who needs to die in a standoff in that town?

The DNA of a finger print on a button/snap. Let me tell you. If you own a KABAR, you most likely use the 1/4 inch of canvas on that flap to unsheathe the knife; flicking it with your finger. But if you were putting the knife AWAY and securing it, you would press on the snap.


So where this takes me is to think that Brent and Brian were on an evening drive...Brent probably had a beef and used Brian's knife. straight out took it between the seat without brian knowing. And I think Brent went in and Brian sat in the car going WTF is going on.

Now. If I were to take a look at the elephants in the room. The HEX hat the father wore numerous times in interviews shows that this isn't some po-dunk town. They are with the times. So between one of the girls mothers being in jail, and someone who flaunts crypto mech, I would suspect there was drugs and money involved.

My simple thoughts basically are the main catalysts to this are Brent and Xana's mom.
Brent is the plug.
Brian is just a bystander with a lot of knowledge about how things are legal and not.
Cara Northington, the mother of Xana Kernodle was jailed for trafficking - represented by lawyer Anne Taylor and then that lawyer literally dumped her for Brian on his first day of court - and now an inactive attorney.

I think Cara arranged many party favors through her daughter Xena. I think somethings didn't get paid or put into the right crypto wallet for appropriate laundering and Brian is just the guy who knows all the pieces that matter.

I think Brian knows if he remains in prison it will strengthen his case for wrongful imprisonment and he will be able to sue everyone for defamation. They really have very little on him and could technically put as much on the deceased Brent K. as they could Brian...but dont.

It's gonna get good by the time the trial starts. And when those girls who really don't want to go on the stand are cross examined, shit is gonna hit the fan.

I even think Brian knows Dylan through Brent and its gonna get juicy. Brian should walk if what I say above makes any sense to someone who has paid attention.

And, hey wheres that one kid that was the boyfriend? What happened to him never a suspect, okay.
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So your motive for Brent murdering 4 people is money?
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What about the ID card in the glove found in his (kohbergers) parents home linked to one of the victims?
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If there is room for speculation, I would suggest that as Bryan had applied to the local law enforcement for a position, he may have become involved in some capacity where they may have said: OK - we are going to practise staking out - or watching/ following people; either as a drill or practice to learn surveillance tactics; and the King Street house became involved: either because of knowledge of a threat to the house; because there was a possible drugs connection; to use Bryan as a patsy for a known future event, where the residence was to be used as a backdoor coded event re other operations.





If Bryan was involved in something like this(but not the killer):

he would feel unable to relay this, if it was covert and he may not have suspected his colleagues as patsy-makers;


he would have been easily positioned; encouraged to make social media links, or turn up at places of work or make himself somewhat familiar to parties under surveillance or to those related socially to them;


he could be called to attend particular locations at particular times putting him into positions of suspicion without his understanding of that;



if it was his car which attended the street and if it was him who entered the house - he may indeed be the person who spoke to one of the house mates and said: I am going to help you; if then he spoke to his associates, they may have told him to leave and sent him on the path that would later be used to imply his guilt; he may have been duped by the perps into giving them a lift down to Lewis or elsewhere - not knowing he was going to be patsied - but then realised his position didn't look good.


he may have believed the threat had been carried out and not seen a ruse in his own inclusion and involvement.





Believing or being recruited by security services can be compromising, whilst also leaving you without a voice if you have made agreements re covert actions.
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One huge 'coincidence' is the crashed Elantra dumped in Eugene was owned by a lady who got it from previous owner Dan Estey who is one of the owners of 1122.

Yet police say it was 'not related' to the murders.
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One huge 'coincidence' is the crashed Elantra dumped in Eugene was owned by a lady who got it from previous owner Dan Estey who is one of the owners of 1122.

Yet police say it was 'not related' to the murders.
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"The car is registered to a female owner out of Colorado who is not believed "to have any relation to any property in Moscow, Idaho or the ongoing murder investigations."

"The white 2013 Hyundai Elantra found wrecked in Eugene, Oregon
currently belongs to Pamela G. — The former owner of this exact
vehicle (we chased the VIN down to verify) is none other than Dan
Estey. Pamela G. bought this ’13 Elantra from Estey in Colorado."

"1122 King Rd. Co-Owner Dan Estey owns a property in Palisade,
Colorado. 30mins. S.E. of Loma.
1122 King Rd. Co-Owner Scott Perky owns properties & P.O. Boxes in
three separate towns in western Colorado: Craig, Dolores, and
Durango."
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One huge 'coincidence' is the crashed Elantra dumped in Eugene was owned by a lady who got it from previous owner Dan Estey who is one of the owners of 1122.

Yet police say it was 'not related' to the murders.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 83447959

"The car is registered to a female owner out of Colorado who is not believed "to have any relation to any property in Moscow, Idaho or the ongoing murder investigations."

"The white 2013 Hyundai Elantra found wrecked in Eugene, Oregon
currently belongs to Pamela G. — The former owner of this exact
vehicle (we chased the VIN down to verify) is none other than Dan
Estey. Pamela G. bought this ’13 Elantra from Estey in Colorado."

"1122 King Rd. Co-Owner Dan Estey owns a property in Palisade,
Colorado. 30mins. S.E. of Loma.
1122 King Rd. Co-Owner Scott Perky owns properties & P.O. Boxes in
three separate towns in western Colorado: Craig, Dolores, and
Durango."
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The vehicle was dumped there without plates; I felt this was a message to a group to say: " regarding the elantra - get rid of the plates - problem with plates" because they doubled Kohberger's plate but used his wrong plate as he had recently changed his plate from Washington to Idaho State after being pulled by popo.
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One huge 'coincidence' is the crashed Elantra dumped in Eugene was owned by a lady who got it from previous owner Dan Estey who is one of the owners of 1122.

Yet police say it was 'not related' to the murders.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 83447959

"The car is registered to a female owner out of Colorado who is not believed "to have any relation to any property in Moscow, Idaho or the ongoing murder investigations."

"The white 2013 Hyundai Elantra found wrecked in Eugene, Oregon
currently belongs to Pamela G. — The former owner of this exact
vehicle (we chased the VIN down to verify) is none other than Dan
Estey. Pamela G. bought this ’13 Elantra from Estey in Colorado."

"1122 King Rd. Co-Owner Dan Estey owns a property in Palisade,
Colorado. 30mins. S.E. of Loma.
1122 King Rd. Co-Owner Scott Perky owns properties & P.O. Boxes in
three separate towns in western Colorado: Craig, Dolores, and
Durango."
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The vehicle was dumped there without plates; I felt this was a message to a group to say: " regarding the elantra - get rid of the plates - problem with plates" because they doubled Kohberger's plate but used his wrong plate as he had recently changed his plate from Washington to Idaho State after being pulled by popo.
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Definitely something fucky going on with that Elantra.
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One huge 'coincidence' is the crashed Elantra dumped in Eugene was owned by a lady who got it from previous owner Dan Estey who is one of the owners of 1122.

Yet police say it was 'not related' to the murders.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 83447959

"The car is registered to a female owner out of Colorado who is not believed "to have any relation to any property in Moscow, Idaho or the ongoing murder investigations."

"The white 2013 Hyundai Elantra found wrecked in Eugene, Oregon
currently belongs to Pamela G. — The former owner of this exact
vehicle (we chased the VIN down to verify) is none other than Dan
Estey. Pamela G. bought this ’13 Elantra from Estey in Colorado."

"1122 King Rd. Co-Owner Dan Estey owns a property in Palisade,
Colorado. 30mins. S.E. of Loma.
1122 King Rd. Co-Owner Scott Perky owns properties & P.O. Boxes in
three separate towns in western Colorado: Craig, Dolores, and
Durango."
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The vehicle was dumped there without plates; I felt this was a message to a group to say: " regarding the elantra - get rid of the plates - problem with plates" because they doubled Kohberger's plate but used his wrong plate as he had recently changed his plate from Washington to Idaho State after being pulled by popo.
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Definitely something fucky going on with that Elantra.
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Well, I'll bet there are no cctv images in Moscow Idaho showing the licence plate - they would have to be hidden away or removed to hide that someone else did this and was trying to say it was Kohberger.


There was another elantra event after this in another town - I will post if I can find the file - which I currently cannot locate.
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I tried to reply earlier to the question if Brent K did this for money and seemed to be unable to post.

Since then, glad to see this thread is still moving.
When I mentioned the crashed Elantra in my lengthy post earlier I didn't want to mention the owner and all that hub-bub that seemed to be quickly forgotten.

That was the strangest thing in terms of coincidences if that car was not used previously in connection to the killings/or even with the house as 1122 King.

The plate swap. interesting mention of that as well. I wonder if some places ask you turn in your old plates. I won't be surprised if Brian's lawyers take action or if there is a DMV record of plate exchange or disposal.

But back to the Brent doing this for money...Like above, someone mentioned Brian's awareness would be minimal if this was organized as many are thinking it was. Brent I think was tasked to take care of one person - Xana...the only person who has a mother with a drug record.

I think if Kaylee were the target it could have been related to drug money and most likely she had the crypto accounts to bounce it around. If she flew the coup with drug monies....she got that new car...tried to escape or was going to snitch...She got what she had coming to her.

But yeah that found Elantra and everyone so quick to dismiss it when it clearly points to Colorado to some degree is strange as ever.
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