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DOWN Fido...you're foaming on the couch!
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Projecting your world view on others again? As far as insults go, you are not exactly a novice your self. If you can't take it try not to dish so much out.

You post for AMUSMENT? This is sad and worrisome. I said the postings here amuse me, I did not say I post here for amusement. That would be sick. A person would have to be pathetic (and dead inside)to be amused by child abuse.

You LOLed? Wow,really? Somehow I doubt you laughed unless it was your maniacal crazy bitch type of shrieking... Are you even capable of being amused. I doubt it. You are far to righteous and indignant. I would attempt to elaborate but you have proven to be too ignorant and closed minded to waste any more time on.

Anger? Since you keep insisting you should know what I actually feel is pity and sorrow. Pity for Robyn who pathetic sack of lying shit and Graydon, who is mental ill. I am deeply sorry for the children and the horror they endured at the hands of BOTH their parents. At least they are safe now.

Good luck with the court and the verdict and all.
 Quoting: Whaaa? 531278


I guess I need to clarify since your reading comprehension is either null or you don't know how not to twist everything into your own special kind of "truth". My point was that I am not a "Lewis" or "Heather" (but thanks for playing would you care to guess again?) and that you should know who you are trying to insult before attempting to do so.

Actually, YOU DID say that you post on this site for amusement and I quote:

"Did you miss the past where I said I post one this site mostly because it amuses me? Why isn't there a laughing my ass off emoticons here?"

Do you even read what you write? Don't put words in my mouth I did NOT in anyway say child abuse amuses me. You amuse me....you are nuts. Thank you so much for proving my point every time you post that you are more than a few fries short of a happy meal you crazy nut job.
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Oh! Oh! Oh! This means I could guess again! Perhaps you're more local? The list of Lewis family and friends is not very long and grows shorter daily...

Be sure to post again AFTER the trial, when all the evidence is public and the verdict is in. Any thoughts on why so many people have come forth to report things they witnesses her (not Graydon) doing to her kids over the past 16 years? Are they all angry or nuts too? There is probably some secret agenda here as well. Shouldn't you be spearheading the investigation to expose this?

Honey, here is a scoop, the TRUTH is on my side. I did not have to make anything up because, as I have said before, I know what I saw and heard. I was shocked at first but it did not take too long to get the tangle of lies and the other bits and pieces of information to fit together to reach a conclusion. A horrible crime spanning many years was committed against nine children. The criminals both deserve serious prison time.

No matter what Robyn told you about herself I am confident that it was mostly lies. She is a liar and a user and has been for years. You are no different to her than anyone else. But by all means, keep your head safely up your own ass where you brain is insulated from ever considering anything but what you want to believe. The truth can be a real bitch sometimes. Your judgement of me is a joke and no matter how much you rant and rave you can't change the truth.
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Actually, YOU DID say that you post on this site for amusement and I quote:

"Did you miss the past where I said I post one this site mostly because it amuses me? Why isn't there a laughing my ass off emoticons here?"

Do you even read what you write? Don't put words in my mouth I did NOT in anyway say child abuse amuses me. You amuse me....you are nuts. Thank you so much for proving my point every time you post that you are more than a few fries short of a happy meal you crazy nut job.
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Opps, Your ignorance is showing...

I said amuse(s) NOT amusement- sorry it was too subtle for you. I not only read what I write, I even know the definitions of the words and their proper use within a specific context. Now I am really laughing my ass off... I would rather be "a few fries short of a happy meal" that a few years short of a GED.

Amusement: 1. the state of being busy, interested, or entertained 2.the process of not reflecting

Amuse: 1.to occupy in an agreeable, entertaining or pleasant 2.to make (somebody)laugh

here's a Bonus word!

Context: 1 : the parts of a discourse that surround a word or passage and can throw light on its meaning 2 : the interrelated conditions (environment) in which something exists or occurs


Nit picking is all you have since you can't make a case for your brood sow friend. Are you one of those crazy bitches who come to the hearings? The ones who just love to talk to reporters and "explain" things? I remember there where some from Gleaner's and some fake Jews too. I was so creeped out by the fake Jews that I did not even consider the Gleaner's could also have their share of Robynites.

It is a very interesting observation that Robyn seemed to have several entirely different groups of "friends" without any over lap in groups, is this the norm with your species?

If I amuse you so much why do you keep responding with such unhappy posts?
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10/22/2008 09:16 PM
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crazyjak Thanks again for never failing to amuse , nut job.

Exactly what is a "fake Jew"?
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10/22/2008 09:33 PM
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Just wait next it will be Amish families.
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I was reminded by a 15 year old that convicted serial killers have groupies and get married in prison after conviction, to each his own. It is good that you have found a kindred spirit in Robyn Drown, apparently you both need friends.

Exactly what is a "fake Jew"?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 530678


Once again all you are doing is showing your own ignorance. Do you not get that you suck at insults and being called a "nut job" by some one as ignorant and misguided as you does not bother me in the least?

One of Graydon and Robyn's supported calling Torah "the old testament" was the tell.

Someone who was not born Jewish and have never converted but goes around telling people that are. Becoming Jewish is not like being "born again", there are actually specific step that MUST occur and one who as not gone through the process is NOT a Jew. There is no gray area for this.Are you too stupid to figure something like this out on your own? Actually, Chabadd the organization that many of the fake Jews say they belong too, does not even allow conversions.
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crazyjak Thanks again for never failing to amuse , nut job.

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"I knew the Drown family when we all lived in Thorne Bay, Alaska. I considered her a good friend and we had children the same age. In fact our sons were both born at home with in a few weeks of each other. I still treasure the picture of them lying together on a blanket. I have not been in contact with the family for many years so this news has been a real shock to me. I can only say their children are the real hero's. They knew what it would mean to tell someone outside the home and they, more than anyone else, are living with the consequences. I will pray for their protection and healing and for wisdom of their foster families."

Why would someone take the time to write this years later unless she had some reason to think the charges are true?

I drive a school bus and I overheard kids on the bus talking about the Drown kids so when I got home I checked and have been reading this blog for the past week or so. Any place that I read about this story I can't help notice that far to many posters resort to name calling but do not offer any insight that would lead someone that is not involved to think the parents might be innocent. Claiming spousal abuse seems like a convenient out for the mom. I wonder why she would wait so long if it is true? If only one parent is guilty why are they both still in jail? Wouldn't the mom be out if she had any proof she was abused by the dad?

Maybe these are bad parents who got caught abusing their kids, maybe not. How is calling someone who seems to know something about these people names useful. I personally do not read any anger in these posts. I do read anger and even rage, yet no information, in the people responding though.

These are some very troubling posts about this situation. The people who believe these parent are guilty seem more crediable. If you think the parents are innocent then how are insults and names going to help them?
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Well, at least you are able to admit you don't know anything about this case, unlike most of the rest of the posters on this site.

Has it ever occured to any of you that maybe Robyn has reached out for help before? Why do you assume she hasn't? Because she didn't tell you? Maybe the government has let her down before, didn't offer her protection when she asked for it and has not felt like she would be safe if she tried to leave with her children. From what I have read from her supposed 'friends' that post here (with friends like that who needs enemies?), they are not anyone I would have felt safe turning to, and maybe that's why YOU don't know what has really happened to her.
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Why didn't the oldest boys run away if they were getting abused? This story smells like rotten fish. My bullshit meters are going wild.

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Why didn't the oldest boys run away if they were getting abused? This story smells like rotten fish. My bullshit meters are going wild.

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From what family has posted they did not even trust relatives with their location. These kids have been been isolated and taught to fear everyone outside the immediate family. It is hard to get away when you do not have TV or internet or even magazines or books. Not to mention barely being able to read and very limited access to people out side your own family.

Even so the three oldest boys have run away. So check your bullshit meter, it might need to be calabrated.
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From what I have read from her supposed 'friends' that post here (with friends like that who needs enemies?), they are not anyone I would have felt safe turning to, and maybe that's why YOU don't know what has really happened to her.
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Do you seriously expect people to feel guilty about choosing the Drown kids over their "parents"?

If Robyn's friends abandoned her she has not one but herself to blame. She might have started by not lying to everyone. She did lie, even about things that did not matter. People get a bit snarky when they do their best to help then find out they have been feed a load of BS.

As far as help, Robyn asked for help all the time and lots of people (including me) helped her, especially financially, so please do not think you have the corner on the compassion market, you do not.

The odd thing is that she presented her relationship with Graydon is such different terms depending to the situation.

Apparently at Gleaners, she told people that the babies where all her husband's idea, which was not at all the case in the Jewish community. Maybe it was because at Gleaners she had to confront the reality that she kept having children even though the family could not even feed the ones they already had? The bottom line is she had the means to prevent pregnancy but chose not too. No matter what she is claiming now there was something in the relationship for her. She might have been abused but she stayed because she wanted to and she was also an abuser.

She can't even accept the truth of what she has dome to her children, how can she be honest about it with others?
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Too bad we can't report you here,...we'd get these trash postings pulled, too.
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So... the Lewis family got the Statesman journal & Topix posts pulled. What did you do? Threaten a law suit? You'll pull posts off the internet but not protect abused children that you knew about for a couple of decades. Pathetic.
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crazyjak Thanks again for never failing to amuse , nut job.



"I knew the Drown family when we all lived in Thorne Bay, Alaska. I considered her a good friend and we had children the same age. In fact our sons were both born at home with in a few weeks of each other. I still treasure the picture of them lying together on a blanket. I have not been in contact with the family for many years so this news has been a real shock to me. I can only say their children are the real hero's. They knew what it would mean to tell someone outside the home and they, more than anyone else, are living with the consequences. I will pray for their protection and healing and for wisdom of their foster families."

Why would someone take the time to write this years later unless she had some reason to think the charges are true?

I drive a school bus and I overheard kids on the bus talking about the Drown kids so when I got home I checked and have been reading this blog for the past week or so. Any place that I read about this story I can't help notice that far to many posters resort to name calling but do not offer any insight that would lead someone that is not involved to think the parents might be innocent. Claiming spousal abuse seems like a convenient out for the mom. I wonder why she would wait so long if it is true? If only one parent is guilty why are they both still in jail? Wouldn't the mom be out if she had any proof she was abused by the dad?

Maybe these are bad parents who got caught abusing their kids, maybe not. How is calling someone who seems to know something about these people names useful. I personally do not read any anger in these posts. I do read anger and even rage, yet no information, in the people responding though.

These are some very troubling posts about this situation. The people who believe these parent are guilty seem more crediable. If you think the parents are innocent then how are insults and names going to help them?
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Agreed.
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So... the Lewis family got the Statesman journal & Topix posts pulled. What did you do? Threaten a law suit? You'll pull posts off the internet but not protect abused children that you knew about for a couple of decades. Pathetic.
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I am wondering what made you think the Lewis's have the power to do this? I saw the posts where removed but thought it had to do with the trial. Like maybe protecting people that will be called to testify? The Lewis family is the reason so much of the sorted history came out in the blogs, they would have been better off controlling their impulses and just shutting up.

BTW, I think the parents and the family that ignored this abuse for years are guilty but I don't think that what is written on internet blogs, or even what people who know the family think is true actually makes any difference in court.
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BTW,... I don't think that what is written on internet blogs, or even what people who know the family think is true actually makes any difference in court.
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Perhaps not. What amazes me is the hostility of the Lewis family. Hopefully THAT will come out in court, and Robyn won't be able to hide behind the victim card.
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Perhaps not. What amazes me is the hostility of the Lewis family. Hopefully THAT will come out in court, and Robyn won't be able to hide behind the victim card.
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What amazes me is the enormous assumptions posters continue to make. Why do you assume just because a poster does not support your views and supports Robyn that the poster is a "Lewis"?
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What amazes me is the enormous assumptions posters continue to make. Why do you assume just because a poster does not support your views and supports Robyn that the poster is a "Lewis"?
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Another thing amazes me. People who assume that because they support the child abuser Robyn Kay Lewis Drown, that posters assume they are a Lewis. Posters who don't support her are smart enough to know that there are people who are stupid enough to either believe her or think that child abuse is okay.
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Posters who don't support her are smart enough to know that there are people who are stupid enough to either believe her or think that child abuse is okay.
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Nobody thinks child abuse is okay. Making a comment like that is just ignorant on your part.
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"People assume that because they support the child abuser Robyn Kay Lewis Drown, the posters assume they are a Lewis's."

Why would that be? Lets see...

This "suspicion" about the Lewis's could have something to do with posts on other sites where they identify themselves as Robyn's family members. IN the end most of them resort to insults and judgement and blame against any and every one who dares challenge their delusions.

Admitting Robyn might be even slightly at fault in the abuse and lets not forget NEGLECT of the kids would implicate the entire Lewis family and the way Robyn herself was raised in this sicko cult.

Please remember that this family has been active in this toxic cult religion for many many years. also claim has avoided contact with them for the past 17+ years.
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Jewish home schoolers?

This is not about government. It's about serious child abuse & neglect.

The parents had 3 children taken away in California about 17 years ago for abuse. Two were toddlers. After permanently losing custody the parents fled to Alaska & have since had 9 more children. They have lived in relative isolation, "home schooled", never visited a doctor or dentist, no births were registered.Not even the birth dates of the children could be confirmed (see Probable Cause statement - Marion County). Anything could have been going on all these years and who would have known except the parents??

They moved to Oregon about 2 years ago, & claim to have converted to a "strict form of Judaism". What's that?? It's their own fabrication. They aren't orthodox according to the temple they were affiliated with. Orthodox is the "strict" form of Judaism. It doesn't endorse child abuse.

Now, more charges have been laid and the bail of $180k per parent has been raised to no bail. Hmmm. It doesn't look like a government plot to me. It looks more like predators disguised as "parents".
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I have a few things to tell you people! I was taken from my mother and father at 5 yrs. old and put into forster homes till I was 19 then I was drafted in to the usa army and sent to Vietnam. Now I am 61 and guess what you never forget the beatings or the broken bones or the humilation that you are put though for the fun of the ones that are surposed to take care of you . I have heard that there are good forster homes out there but I have never seen one or heard of any forster kid that has been in one. The best way I could describe them is that they are one step up from a Nazi consentration camp. If you have not lived that life you would have no understanding of the torture that goes on in them homes. And this is all done by the ones in charge of the so called state soical services. HaHaha .A political apointed torture expert. The shrinks say I have ptsd from Vietnam .I luagh about that becuase I know that I have ptsd from them forster homes not Vietnam. Forster homes are both physical and mental abuse to a refined art. After Vietnam I went back to one of these homes and asked the two morons that ran it if they had had there training to run that home under the German ss Then I kicked the liveing shit out of both of them and ten years later I found them again and did the same thing again . And you know what they were still doing the same thing to kidds . But big brother sayed it was all right to do that to kidds as long as it was not theres. And so goes our society. Every one keeps bitching about this stuff but I don't see any thing getting done about it.
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Jewish home schoolers?


This is not about government. It's about serious child abuse & neglect.

... Hmmm. It doesn't look like a government plot to me. It looks more like predators disguised as "parents".

 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 202319


Robyn & Graydon Drown are not Jewish they just claim to be. They hid out in Alaska and followed the WWCG. Lots of info is available on Topix. Plenty from people who know them. After they came out of hiding they went to Oregon. Members of the Jewish temple in Salem where they attended for a while say that they are not Jewish. Graydon has made up his own religion. He thinks he is the messiah. Even family claim that. Nuts-o Robyn goes along with him. Together they produce victims to batter and abuse. Robyn's family including mom Sandy are aware of the abuse all these kids have suffered. Not only did they allow Robyn to get married when she was under age they helped them hide out in alaska and always supported the marriage. The only people who support Robyn are her family and nuts from the church. Read topix posts. The kids weren't home schooled. They can barely read and were left to fend for the younger ones when they weren't being abused. Robyn isn't abused. Read the indictment. she is 180 pounds he is 130. She could sit on him and read to the kids! but NO. She'd rather keep them ignorant and beat them then go off with him and make more babys. If her family was nearly as on the ball as they would have us believe then if she was being abused her family would have made sure she left him. If they cared about the kids they knew were being abused then they would have protected them. Her family is self serving and so is robyn. If you are her friend and believe her then you are sucked in. If you believe this is a government plot you are misguided.
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Robyn isn't abused. Read the indictment. she is 180 pounds he is 130.
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Gee, thanks for the lesson in 'logic.' Since Robyn outweighed him, and therefore, couldn't have been abused, we can assume any of his kids that outweighed him must be liars, too.
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Lots of info is available on Topix.
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Your Granny should have told you not to believe everything you read.
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Robyn isn't abused. Read the indictment. she is 180 pounds he is 130.


Gee, thanks for the lesson in 'logic.' Since Robyn outweighed him, and therefore, couldn't have been abused, we can assume any of his kids that outweighed him must be liars, too.
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Is this how your "logic" works? Twist anything anyone says to meet your needs. If you know her you would know that she could flop him around like a rag doll and have the umph to leave if she wanted. It is not the fault of the kids that they were abused. It is the fault of two abusive parents.
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Lots of info is available on Topix.


Your Granny should have told you not to believe everything you read.
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My Granny taught me to see the truth and tell it.
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Why didn't the oldest boys run away if they were getting abused? This story smells like rotten fish. My bullshit meters are going wild.

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They did. Once they were near people outside the family long enough to see that things were wrong and that their wack-o abusive upbringing and treatment by BOTH parents was wrong they filed the initial report. Before that they were living the hillbilly life in remote places with their only exposure to people outside their parents was Robyn's nutjob family.
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You have not been telling truths. You have been spreading hate and lies.
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You have not been telling truths. You have been spreading hate and lies.
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You are sadly deluded.





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