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The Official Militant Witch, Wiccan and Pagan Pride Thread; We’re Among You, We’re Here, We’re Not Going Anywhere. Get Used To IT!!

 
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I haven't voted since 1980. I am not into numbers games. I have taken a stand AGAINST wars and killing innocent people and you have taken a stand FOR same. WHO EXACLY DO YOU THINK YOU"RE KIDDING?
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VH stop yelling
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There are alot of names

The Great spirit is :

" These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the Yhv"h Elome"e made the earth and the heavens,"

This is EVERYTHING

"heavens"- Plural

Many many worlds

" And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul."

"Yhv"h Elome"e "

Formed you and Gives You your soul


And the YHV"H spoke to Moses,

Aint that AMAZING

The Yhv"h talked with you face to face in the mount out of the midst of the fire,I stood between the Yhv"h and you at that time, to tell you the word of the Yhv"h; for you were afraid because of the fire, and went not up into the mount,


Yhv"h is pretty intense


Yhv"h eloha"y of the spirits of all flesh,


" Hear, O Israel; The Yhv"h is Elohan"u Yhv"h is One"



And you shall love Yhv"h Elohan"u with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your might.
And these words, which I command you this day, shall be in your heart;



For the Yhv"h eloha"y is a merciful Ae"L; he will not forsake you, nor destroy you, nor forget the covenant of your fathers which he swore to them.

This is forever folks

" give thanks to Yhv"h call upon his name"


Yhv"h for ever and ever

though it has many names

Love



Peace
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I said it before and i will say it again until my fingers drop onto this keyboard. NIGHTSHADE. OP. You expressed,flat out and without qualification that YOU WANT RUSSIA WIPED OFF THE FACE OF THE MAP (cf. thread p.17) and that you HOPED WAR WILL BREAK OUT so they could get "PAYBACK". This is unregenerate,immoral advocacy of violence. GENOCIDE


I have taken exactly the opposite view. That WAR and killing,ESPECIALLY INNOCENT PEOPLE AND NON_COMBATANTS IS IMMORAL. This is what Jesus taught. It is what I believe.




And you have the GALL to try to say that I am the one who is speaking out of two sides of my mouth ? NO. YOU ARE. You talk of the witch-burning times which i repudiate and yet YOU WANT TO BRING "BURNING TIMES" UPON INNOCENT RUSSIANS.HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS. Or do you plan to put up 200 MILLION refugees up at your house for a decade after you"WIPE RUSSIA OFF THE FACE OF THE MAP" in a WAR that you said you HOPE FOR.





You are a HYPOCRITE of the first order.
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I will YELL all I want to, thank you. It's appropriate here in the valley of the dead,dying,deaf and damned.
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Well see Pagemaker your taking the bible literally. Catholics from 1st grade are taught that Jesus's method of teaching was story telling (using symbols), metaphors and allegory which would be well understood of what he was speaking of at the time among the contemporariness.

Remember his teaching of the birds and lilies of the field along with Solomon's treasuries.. that Even with Solomon's great wealth (and he was said to have been bathing in gold) and robes did not match the spender of birds and lillies for they did not sow, worry of what tommorrow might bring. For god would provide for them. An thus they were far more richer and grander then Solomon's earthly treaures and robes.

If Jesus' Father could provide for the Lillie's and the Birds of the fields thusly. Then the Chruch should not have worried worried for "Earthly Treasure" to provide for their expansion.. If it were God's will for them to expand. Then it would have expanded of its own accord.. and it was doing Just that before Paul arrived on the scene and made it into merchandise..



Ah, comrade Nighshade09...


The 'Galililean Rabbi' said to 'lay our treasures up in Heaven.' (loosely transcribed from memory!).


If 'above, so as below,' why bother 'laying them up' at all...?


Why are you equating realities equal on all levels?


Did you really buy into a "Timeline 1, Variant 83 configuration...?


No way, say it ain't so, dude...!!!


hf
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"In a time of deceit telling the truth is revolutionary act." - George Orwell
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Man, your some piece of work.. all that pent up anger, rage, hatred and bigotry.

That only comes from a life time of abuse. I truly pity you.

Got one word for you.

Prozac

does wonders. :)


Nightshade 09



I said it before and i will say it again until my fingers drop onto this keyboard. NIGHTSHADE. OP. You expressed,flat out and without qualification that YOU WANT RUSSIA WIPED OFF THE FACE OF THE MAP (cf. thread p.17) and that you HOPED WAR WILL BREAK OUT so they could get "PAYBACK". This is unregenerate,immoral advocacy of violence. GENOCIDE


I have taken exactly the opposite view. That WAR and killing,ESPECIALLY INNOCENT PEOPLE AND NON_COMBATANTS IS IMMORAL. This is what Jesus taught. It is what I believe.




And you have the GALL to try to say that I am the one who is speaking out of two sides of my mouth ? NO. YOU ARE. You talk of the witch-burning times which i repudiate and yet YOU WANT TO BRING "BURNING TIMES" UPON INNOCENT RUSSIANS.HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS. Or do you plan to put up 200 MILLION refugees up at your house for a decade after you"WIPE RUSSIA OFF THE FACE OF THE MAP" in a WAR that you said you HOPE FOR.





You are a HYPOCRITE of the first order.
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"In a time of deceit telling the truth is revolutionary act." - George Orwell
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Either Prozac

Junk

or sing the song of light

so many Say God,

But most of what they see is only darkness their focus is on what they call sin

Always judging,


judging judging judging


They act as the Satan them selves

A friend said there are enough Satan in Heaven we dont

need more down here


looking at and working the light is much more fun


Reveal the light in its RAINBOW of many colors


There are alot of names

The Great spirit is :

" These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the Yhv"h Elome"e made the earth and the heavens,"

This is EVERYTHING

"heavens"- Plural

Many many worlds

" And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul."

"Yhv"h Elome"e "

Formed you and Gives You your soul


And the YHV"H spoke to Moses,

Aint that AMAZING

The Yhv"h talked with you face to face in the mount out of the midst of the fire,I stood between the Yhv"h and you at that time, to tell you the word of the Yhv"h; for you were afraid because of the fire, and went not up into the mount,


Yhv"h is pretty intense


Yhv"h eloha"y of the spirits of all flesh,


" Hear, O Israel; The Yhv"h is Elohan"u Yhv"h is One"



And you shall love Yhv"h Elohan"u with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your might.
And these words, which I command you this day, shall be in your heart;



For the Yhv"h eloha"y is a merciful Ae"L; he will not forsake you, nor destroy you, nor forget the covenant of your fathers which he swore to them.

This is forever folks

" give thanks to Yhv"h call upon his name"


Yhv"h for ever and ever

though it has many names

Love



Peace
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Didnt even see that before


sing the song of light

not the song of Hell

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Nightshade,

I find your arguments inconstant and illogical.

Van Helsing,

I wouldn't waste anymore time with this guy, he is not receptive to fair minded dialog. He's a pagan militant.
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van helsing. ye keep screaming about the op not answering yer questions. seems to me he has. i do not like his stand on russia. i hope in time he gets past that as it can do nothing for his soul. ye also ignore questions to ye. why is that? are ye better than us? why have ye not answered any of my questions regarding yer unwillingness to follow the teachings of the christ? why do ye not answer the questions concerning following other men and books instead of the christ? are ye that fearful? i fully expect ye to respond only to that last question as ye avoid any answers to questions that might put ye in a position of undermining yer own positions.

empty rhetoric is no answer and ye know it.
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Nightshade,

I find your arguments inconstant and illogical.

Van Helsing,

I wouldn't waste anymore time with this guy, he is not receptive to fair minded dialog. He's a pagan militant.
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perhaps ye are willing to answer the questions van helsing avoids? why are the teachings of christ not yer religion? why are the words of mere men and books given priority over the teachings of christ? why do ye not follow yer own religion?
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ANONYMIZER- Don't worry. I am not under ANY illusion that this Is a "dialogue". Believe me. I am making a file. This is fieldwork for me nothing more. I am open to sincere communicators but haven't found one Cornelius the whole time I have been here. The OP has been refusing to address his call for genocide continuously. There are cases where he has outright lied in misrepresenting me. He uses obscenity. He has a variety of delusional ideas about me being an illuminati operative, him being a Knights templar leading a global revolution,he says he knows ehere Jesus is buried( hasn't called CNN with the news though,I notice).
And then there is constant blaspheming and ridiculing of the Word,Christians and Christ Jesus Himself. I am WELL AWARE of what he is.


In essence my posts have been a counter-thread to allow objective readers a more in depth grasp of the enormity of his distortions and delusions.




But thanks for the heads up. Let me reciprocate by saying watch out for Ross,Oneangrymom---most all of them. They NEVER dialog or respond to direct queries.They follow his party line like gossestepping brownshirts. Pagofascism in action. So now I am selective and like them dialog not as blog-spot courtesy but when I feel like it.When and where I feel it is efficacious.
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let's imagine for a moment that all the doomsayers are correct and the world falls into catastrophe. pagans might be the kind of people ye'd like to have for a neighbor and friend. assuming ye want to survive of course. fundamentalists of any stripe are so narrow minded and inflexible that they would have a very difficult time adapting to a new way of living. pagans are already of the land. they would be much more likely to be able to change with the land and conditions. they would be much more likely to prosper.

world wide collapse of society would mean all of us would have to live locally and be self sufficient. pagans are a step ahead of the game if they are truly pagans. new age psycho babble bullshit passing itself off as paganism won't do the trick though. that's just spiritual masturbation.

can a pagan be militant? of course we can. does that mean we engage in warfare? not if we can avoid it. it seems to me that wars are started by those with patriarchal control issues. those with lopsided views about what is and is not important. those who seek power and ego gratification. pagans tend not to be quite that egotistical. it can happen of course, but not usually. i've been a martial artist since 1970. those who know me are convinced there are few that can take me. i know better. no one is bullet proof or unbeatable. warfare is a dead end road. i will fight if attacked, but i will not invade and overthrow ye for yer oil. or yer religion. or yer skin color.

as a pagan, i will live and die with my land. i will try to heal it where it is injured. i will listen to it, talk to it, work with it and live with it. i love the land. all the talk about witches and christians and demons is just fluff to fill our time till we must act to survive. if indeed we are headed for hard times ye might want to consider the pagan life for yerself.
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But thanks for the heads up. Let me reciprocate by saying watch out for Ross,Oneangrymom---most all of them.
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if yer world collapses van helsing ye will need us pagans to keep yer sorry ass alive. we have knowledge and skills ye can never have - but only because of yer closed mind and judgemental nature. ye limit possibilities. we allow them.
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Yeah,well, the great tribulation spoken of by Jesus in the Bible is about to break forth. We are on the doorstep of the "beginning of sorrows". There will be one last Pentecostal blessing,the latter rain,the prophecy of Joel will be fulfilled and then we will have WW3. My survival plan is to be in the rapture. And yes, I know you are too far gone into pagan propaganda to believe that is real. So you'll maybe get to use some of your survival skills if you're unlucky enough to survive the nuclear war. When the forces of antichrist come for you or your head,tell them you're a pal of Nightshade; maybe they'll let you live.


Jesus said," Pray always that ye may ESCAPE all these things and to stand before the son of man" in his endtime discourse( Luke 21:36 ) and we have the promise of Rev. 3:10 that those who watch will escape the HOUR of tribulation. In II Thessalonians Paul taught that an 'apostasy" will take place first then the antichrist and wrath of Revelation. That is greek "hee aphisteemi", "the DEPARTURE and referred to the departure of the church in the pre-tribulation rapture.BEFORE king James the Geneva,Beza,Tyndale,Cranmer and other 16th century Bibles rendered this translation. Jesus expanded on that in Luke 17 alluding to Lot and Noe as types of this escape. Noe escaped the Flood. lot escaped Sodom THE SAME DAY the fire and brimstone fell. The Hebrews escaped the plagues of egypt and LEFT.



Later in Luke 17, Jesus tells the parable of one TAKEN and one LEFT. That word taken is parallel to Paul's term used in II Thess. 4:17 "harpazo" which means to TAKE AWAY, SNATCH UP. In the vulgate it is rebdered "RAPIO" from the verb RAPERE and is the latinate root from whence the word "rapture" comes.


in Revelation, Jesus exhorts His people to COME OUT,before the destruction of the endtime Babylon. Interestingly, I have found this same doctrine in the Winter Solstice ceremonies of the Hopi. it is in ancient manuscripts including the Tripartite Tractate,in the symbolic structure of the Pyramid at Gizeh and in the names of constellations and stars which were, according to ancient semitic tradition,given to the post Adamic patriarchs like Seth. it's a LONG story. i say this to demonstrate that the idea that the rapture is an evangelical invention of the 19th century is pathetically superficial and distortive. It truly is a THEOPHANY. A revelation that there is ALWAYS GRACE for the good when collective judgement falls.




When Jerusalem fell in 70 A.D., were the resident christians destroyed beside the inhabitants ? NO- they went to Pella.The city in stone. They heeded the prophetic Word of Jesus.


Some post-tribulationists believe Christians will have to go through this.This is false doctrine. They CANNOT anymore than LOT could stay in Sodom. Lot was told to come out,LEAVE because the Lord COULD NOT judge that city with the good man in it. And the church must leave because the antichrist cannot function in the presence of the true church. Jesus promised the gates of hell would not prevail against His church. That we would tread on scorpions and serpents. I have EXPERIENCED this in deliverance ministry exorcisms. The devils scream and howl as they have to leave before the presence of the holy Spirit in His ecclesia. so the church does not leave in the rapture to escape the devil,they must leave because otherwise these miserable devils and the devil himself will have his rear premises kicked just as has been going on in exorcisms and delliverances for 2000 years.





Jesus said His coming would be as a thief. Paul exhorted us not to be asleep but WATCH for this rapture-advent of Jesus. It will be the day of WW3. no one will be able to sleep through the horrors of tribulation,therefore the rapture must take place before the tribulation.



Now this pagan is talking survivalism and thinks his "skills' area preparation for what's coming. Hardly. Your pagan orientation has exiled you from this Biblical doctrine. One of many you are clueless about. your ravings against Pauline theology notwithstanding, you know nothing about eschatology otherwise you wouldn't be pushing this earthbound survivalism. 6000 rounds of ammo,pig farming,water purification,nitro-pak food and a subscription to Mother Earth News is not going to be adequate to the horrors of the Tribulation recorded in Revelation. Jesus' command is to watch for the end of the church age and for His second Coming. Not to watch out for the gaining of earthbound survivalist training. Once again you pagans have it EXACTLY BACKWARDS.
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Now this pagan is talking survivalism and thinks his "skills' area preparation for what's coming. Hardly. Your pagan orientation has exiled you from this Biblical doctrine. One of many you are clueless about. your ravings against Pauline theology notwithstanding, you know nothing about eschatology otherwise you wouldn't be pushing this earthbound survivalism. 6000 rounds of ammo,pig farming,water purification,nitro-pak food and a subscription to Mother Earth News is not going to be adequate to the horrors of the Tribulation recorded in Revelation. Jesus' command is to watch for the end of the church age and for His second Coming. Not to watch out for the gaining of earthbound survivalist training. Once again you pagans have it EXACTLY BACKWARDS.
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first, let me thank ye for responding to this at least. it is nice to hear more directly yer thoughts concerning what ye believe.

i do not believe that revelations has any business being in the bible. i don't believe paul has anything to do with the teachings of christ. could i be wrong? i will allow that is a possibility. the teachings of the christ are much more important even if i am. i feel no need to resort to other mens words to justify myself.

i don't have 6000 rounds of ammunition, etc that ye referred to. i have the land. and the way i live my life is in full respect for the words of the christ. i don't go to church. so? i've no need for the social aspects of christianity. my wife goes, but i don't hold that against her.

what if ye are wrong van helsing? ye are just human and subject to human errors. i am a pagan and live the life of one, yet i am in accord with the teachings of the christ. if i'm wrong i've nothing to fear. but even so, why would i worship anything out of fear? ye seem to. and if ye are wrong? then it becomes very difficult for ye. the christ will not want ye and ye have no idea how to live with the earth. don't come to me for help then either. ye've made yer opinion on me very clear and i personally would not want ye doing to my life what ye've done to the life of the christ.

ye've killed christianity van. not just ye, but all of the christians that cannot follow the teachings of the christ. ye don't even know *what* he taught van. that's the really sad part. ye can quote authors all day long that are not the christ, but ye cannot change the fact that they are not the christ and unworthy of worship.

yer opinions are like an ass van. we've all got one but that doesn't mean we should show it to all the world to be disgusted by. most of the folks that came to this thread wanted the opinions and lore of pagans, witches, wiccans. they did not come for yer opinion van, but ye keep on showing yer ass and posting. ye've expected us to come and play in yer park when there is nothing there to cause us to have any desire to do so. if anything ye drive us away. is that yer intent?
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Well,Ross.you never back up your claims about my careful Biblical exegesis and apparently you never will. Throughout this thread I allude to the words of Jesus and you never repond to that. You've posted dozens of times to speak negatively about me but you have been mute as mole regarding the obscenities,blasphemies,distortions,lies,genocidal hatred etc. of the OP just because he uses the moniker "pagan". I think you've got an outrageous record in that.



You and i are ships passing in the night. For the record,I don't like your obfuscations about my very sincere communication. But I will say this in your favor. I do NOT put you in the same boat as the OP. He's a hater. I do not think and hope you are not.i noticed you FINALLY stood against his genocide in a very quiet voice. And he goes WAY out of his way to blaspheme christ and offend the Word. You are arrogant enough to want to rewrite the Word and give us the RRV version,Ross's Revised Reversion,without the letters,Revelation etc. But you have some vestigial loyalty to Christ somewhere that you allude to,I will not judge you and I actually think maybe you could be a Cornelius; the good pagan on his way to Jesus like Cornelius in Acts. I don't know. I forgive you your F-bomb assault and other incourteous ways with me.



But again- you are no nightshade. You've not lied outrageously. You are not a lunatic. You don't like genocide. You have been vulgar but have not used his level of devilish obscenity. I don't think you've got devils. I absolutely think he does. So anyway- I don't paint you with the same brush. And I notice that you're into Aikido. Ueshiba is a great inspiration. Shintoism is actually messianic and is, I think, the remnants of an older patriarchal religion going back perhaps to a true stream from Adam and his sons. You surely know about his vision,like Paul's on the way to Damascus actually,in a sense,which turned his murderous swordsmanship into what we now know as Aikido.Paul was killing Christians before he met Christ. I actually studied with teachers one generation from Morihei. Morihei turned his back on the Japanese military also. I gave up all other traditions when i came to aikido. It restrains evil without obliterating human beings.



Paul at Damascus,Ueshiba's mountain vision...here's one more. I worked security with a real skinhead militant. He and I clashed over the issue of war and killing the innocent. He and I almost came to serious personal combat over this. I told him he could believe what he wanted about war but don't disgrace the name of Jesus by calling himself a Christian....do you know he became convicted of that truth and told me afterwards and he was thrown out of very church,every denomination in this area, for telling them the US should not be killing children in war. So you never really know who someone is until their story is written. but I did right to get in his face on this and he thanked me afterwards. There IS a time for forceful words and passion. You asked me what my goals were. I sincerely say what I believe. For many reasons. If you read this thread again and read what i say; you might not agree. but if you can't see sincerity, then you are blind and deaf.
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You know what Ross ? Start your own thread. You can put forth your philosophy without having this OP's lunacies,blasphemies,obscenities and genocidal ideas hanging around your pagan neck like an albatross.
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Well,Ross.you never back up your claims about my careful Biblical exegesis and apparently you never will. Throughout this thread I allude to the words of Jesus and you never repond to that. You've posted dozens of times to speak negatively about me but you have been mute as mole regarding the obscenities,blasphemies,distortions,lies,genocidal hatred etc. of the OP just because he uses the moniker "pagan". I think you've got an outrageous record in that.



You and i are ships passing in the night. For the record,I don't like your obfuscations about my very sincere communication. But I will say this in your favor. I do NOT put you in the same boat as the OP. He's a hater. I do not think and hope you are not.i noticed you FINALLY stood against his genocide in a very quiet voice. And he goes WAY out of his way to blaspheme christ and offend the Word. You are arrogant enough to want to rewrite the Word and give us the RRV version,Ross's Revised Reversion,without the letters,Revelation etc. But you have some vestigial loyalty to Christ somewhere that you allude to,I will not judge you and I actually think maybe you could be a Cornelius; the good pagan on his way to Jesus like Cornelius in Acts. I don't know. I forgive you your F-bomb assault and other incourteous ways with me.



But again- you are no nightshade. You've not lied outrageously. You are not a lunatic. You don't like genocide. You have been vulgar but have not used his level of devilish obscenity. I don't think you've got devils. I absolutely think he does. So anyway- I don't paint you with the same brush. And I notice that you're into Aikido. Ueshiba is a great inspiration. Shintoism is actually messianic and is, I think, the remnants of an older patriarchal religion going back perhaps to a true stream from Adam and his sons. You surely know about his vision,like Paul's on the way to Damascus actually,in a sense,which turned his murderous swordsmanship into what we now know as Aikido.Paul was killing Christians before he met Christ. I actually studied with teachers one generation from Morihei. Morihei turned his back on the Japanese military also. I gave up all other traditions when i came to aikido. It restrains evil without obliterating human beings.



Paul at Damascus,Ueshiba's mountain vision...here's one more. I worked security with a real skinhead militant. He and I clashed over the issue of war and killing the innocent. He and I almost came to serious personal combat over this. I told him he could believe what he wanted about war but don't disgrace the name of Jesus by calling himself a Christian....do you know he became convicted of that truth and told me afterwards and he was thrown out of very church,every denomination in this area, for telling them the US should not be killing children in war. So you never really know who someone is until their story is written. but I did right to get in his face on this and he thanked me afterwards. There IS a time for forceful words and passion. You asked me what my goals were. I sincerely say what I believe. For many reasons. If you read this thread again and read what i say; you might not agree. but if you can't see sincerity, then you are blind and deaf.
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no need to respond to yer words from jesus. they stand on their own as the basis of christianity. it's the other words from those other than the christ i have issues with. ye've stated these are yer opinions. this is the first time i recall ye saying they were opinion. for that i'm pleased. we've made a bit of progress i'd say.

in regards to aikido.... i'm a bit of a pariah in that world too. i don't think anything taught in the aikido world today has much to do with what ueshiba was doing. his art was dynamic and alive. aikido today is set in concrete and dead, imo. i have a problem with taking anything that is alive and vibrant and killing it.
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You know what Ross ? Start your own thread. You can put forth your philosophy without having this OP's lunacies,blasphemies,obscenities and genocidal ideas hanging around your pagan neck like an albatross.
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it would go no where in a hurry... :) i'm no one and nobody. my thoughts are nothing special to draw much of anything. in short, i'm just an average pagan. while i don't agree with everything nightshade posted i will say he is much more interested in the research necessary to post historical data relevant. i'd just say what i think and leave it at that. ye and he were a great combination for drawing out the worst of both sides.

this thread has gone on as long as it has because ye came hear and blasphemed paganism. folks stopped by to watch the fight and put in their two cents. i don't like 99.9% of what ye wrote and i suspect i'm not alone, but yer postings helped fuel the interest in the thread. a love fest only goes so long and people get bored. ye've provided the dynamic tenstion to nightshade that kept the interest up. thanks to yer "ravings" folks actually heard opinions that would not have been posted otherwise. so i reckon ye did more good than not.
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Thread: ASTROLOGY UPDATE: AUGUST '08 IS HELL MONTH




ASTROLOGY UPDATE: AUGUST '08 IS HELL MONTH
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In a previous post I mentioned four horsemen of the apocalypse that are potentiated by the astrogical ciphers of August : 1) WAR 2) PRESIDENTIAL ASSASSINATION 3) TERRORIST ATTACK 4) FINANCIAL PANIC . It is a lot of bad configurations packed into about a 3-week period. It starts the 1st with a total eclipse on Bush's natal Pluto (keywords:Fate,Prophecy,Mortality). In following days Uranus will be opposing Mars and this skewers the US natal "sneak attack" zone(Mars sq. Neptune). The PEARL HARBOR zone. In 2001 I saw an eclipse chart and sent out an e-mail alert to a list of correspondents citing a PEARL HARBOR event. About 5 weeks later the towers went down. This also skewers Bush's natal Uranus and nodal pt.(another "fate" indication btw). As if this wasn't bad enough Saturn will be sitting on Bush's Mars and squaring the US Uranus. This resonates with past presidential assassinations including JFK and Lincoln.........I am a Christian astrologer who believes we are in the endtimes. i take the celestial omens very seriously. The Magi found Jesus with the star(s) of Bethlehem . Jesus Himself said there would be "signs in the Sun.Moon, and Stars". Psalm 19 speaks of the stars "declare", "uttereth speech", "showeth knowledge"...indeed. Biblically uninformed opposition notwithstanding,astrology has its place- especially now. .............Is astrology deterministic? Does it interfere with free will ? The Thomistic view is that "sapiens dominabitur astris". Wise men rule the stars. The problem is that,collectively,mankind is not wise . This is why nations go off like clockwork to genocidal wars. And in America is genocidal.Make no mistake about it. It is not a Christian nation by any Biblical standard. The native Americans were exterminated,Lincoln prosecuted a genocidal civil war, and in WW2 ,while Hitler put people in ovens,American bombers turned entire cities into ovens killing innocent non-combatant men,women and children. Brokaw might think it was the "best generation" but they were the worst. The last shred of ethical decency in this country died along with thew victims of Dresden,Hamburg,Hiroshima and Nagasaki. America turned Indochina into a holocaust and the fake Christians,like Billy Graham,gave tacit approval to Nixon and co. as they did to Bush 1 & 2. McCain,the barbarian,was recently anointed king by the Grahams. The point is that the Jesus who would tolerate the killing of innocent people like this is an idol,a counterfeit,...it's the "other" Jesus Paul warned about. Jesus-in-an-F16 or bomber is an antichrist. This is the christ of American christendom. The Jesus I know and love would say this is abomination. ..............I am saying all this to put this astrology in context. A lot of innocent people have been burned alive and maimed by American bombs under Bush's watch. We'd have to knock down hundreds of world trade towers to equal the numbers. When we consider the curses upon killing the innocent in the Bible, it appears that this astrology could bring the 'beginning of sorrows" Jesus speaks of in the gospels. I don't wish Bush any harm. I pray for him and his family.Maybe he will personally awaken to the sinful nature of the karmic wheel of bloodshed he is directing. I hope so. But it sure looks like the American military machine is winding up for more killing. More non-combatants will suffer. And the signs of God's displeasure with this nation are all around us. And we have these bad stars to deal withThey look to me like stars of judgement.The words DISASTER and CATASTROPHE both carry the root words meaning bad stars. This is what could come in August. .........Since my original posts the ayotollah Khameni in Iran issued a personal threat to the president. A few days later a man was arrested in Jerusalem in an assassination plot aimed at him. The US issued a 2 week to Iran and the US navy is having preparatory war games with 2 carriers in the Atlantic. My feeling is that this is no ordinary malefic threshold we are approaching. These stars may well be omens or signs of Biblical proportion. Jesus said we should "pray always" to be worthy to "escape" all the end time horrors He predicted. In my view Psalm 91 and the covering of His Spirit is about the only defense for what is coming. If not in August...very,very soon. You can almost hear the hoofbeats. +++ Ed Birchmore
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Now TRUE Christian Belief on Astrology:

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The Real Power of Astrology

The real power of astrology is not merely in the horoscopes which are published in so many modern newspapers and magazines. Every day these horoscopes contradict each other in so many ways - and indeed, most professional astrologers complain that these columns are vastly oversimplified at best and "utter nonsense" at worst. No, the real power of astrology comes into play when someone goes to a professional astrologer for advice concerning their life and the decisions they must make. The astrologer may be able to come up with many amazing insights concerning the person's character and things that have happened to them in the past. This is attributed to knowledge gained through the charts. When many things are revealed about an otherwise unknown person, amazement and credulity are often the results. People drop their defenses and begin to believe very much in what the astrologer says. If he explains this power in terms of the stars then this may be believed without question. Before long a person can become dependant on the advice and counsel of professional astrologers for every major decision. The power of suggestion and possibly other powers may then become involved in powerfully influencing that person's life. Pretty soon all the events in a person's life - good and bad, may be interpreted in the light of the astrologer's pronouncements.

But is it really the knowledge of astrology that revealed personal knowledge to the astrologer? Is there another possibility?

To the Christian who takes the Bible seriously, there certainly is. Astrology is just one of the many forms of occultism that the Bible condemns. It is condemned because it causes much more harm than good. This is a consequence of the source of the power of astrology.

Hear the words of the Hebrew prophet Isaiah against the wickedness of Babylon:

"Stand now with your enchantments and the multitude of your sorceries, in which you have labored from your youth - perhaps you will be able to profit, perhaps you will prevail. You are wearied in the multitude of your counsels; Let now the astrologers, the stargazers, and the monthly prognosticators stand up and save you from what shall come upon you. Behold, they shall be as stubble, the fire shall burn them; they shall not deliver themselves from the power of the flame. " (Isaiah 47:12-14)

Here the following is asserted concerning astrologers.

1. Not only can astrologers not save you by their advice - they cannot even save themselves.
2. The fire shall burn them - in other words they are headed for judgement.
3. The counsel of astrologers has a wearying effect on those who trust them - it wears them out.

It is interesting to note that astrology is linked here to sorcery and enchantment. According to the plain teaching of the Bible, these things are in the devil's domain and ultimately you will receive nothing but a curse when you go to the devil for help and advice.

Astrology teaches a worldview which is basically pagan in orientation. It is basically a form of divination - an attempt by occult means of gaining special knowledge, especially concerning the future. Belief in astrology is promoted wherever the occult arts are promoted. God condemns divination and the reason is simple. The power of the occult is not from the stars, the tea leaves, the candles, the material elements used. The source of occult knowledge and power is personal and it is spiritual. The spirits involved in it are those that lead a person away from loving trust and dependence upon God our Creator. God therefore views these spirits as evil. They mix a little truth with their lies. Another name for these evil spirits is "demons". As unacceptable as it sounds to many ears - those who get involved in any of the occultic arts, including astrology, are opening themselves to become channels for demons.

The data and charts produced by astrology are very complex and can be interpreted in many ways. A truly proficient astrologer is led to interpret his data and charts in a certain way. Finally it is the intuition of the astrologer which enables him to interpret the "real" meaning of the charts. It is a psychic ability, combined with the power of suggestion which gives astrologers their power. Since Satan does have much influence and power still on this earth, especially where Christians fail to pray effectively, those who submit to demonic leadings through astrologers may find that many events do strangely line up with the words of the astrologers. Astrology is just one of the ways in which witches are taught that they can influence and come to control others.

Astrology is a bit like fortune telling. Astrology is just another method through which psychics work. Other methods include reading palms, tea leaves, coffee cups - it really doesn't matter. These things are just distractions designed to mask the real source of the power and information - which is demonic.

People who become obsessed with astrology end up being controlled by a strange evil power, and ultimately tend to become fatalistic and passive towards the prospects of their own demise.

To me it seems like a bad deal to pay good money to get information from the very spirits who are plotting your destruction.

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The good Christian folk here see who and what Van Helsing/Ed Birchmore is and what he has become. ;)

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Not going anywhere EH, if the CERN LHC, test goes wrong this coming wednesday. All of you will be going somewhere. The question is, where? Many say you will go to hell. It is also possible, that you will end up like the subject of the famous painting. You know the one where the character, is clutching his hands to his head in abject horror, and desperation,under a blazing red sky? This scenario could happen if everything should be broken down, into many different dimensions. As a result of the two protons colliding at over 11,000 miles per second. Perhaps each one of you could wind up, in a separate dimension, all alone, with no one else but yourself for the rest of your existence, or even for all of eternity.
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No Van Helsing you start YOUR OWN Thread..

As I've shown Wicca, Paganism and WItchcraft dates back at least 30,000 years in origin in one form or another.

YOU HAVE NO BUSINESS HERE considering your crap started only in 32ad.

The only reason you are here is because if did start your own thread to spew your vile hate filled brand of Christianity. NO ONE WOULD LISTEN..

You are maggot Birchmore..
Your own Christians dispise you and want nothing to do with you.


LEAVE


But you won't because your a hate filled bigot and have no other place to go.


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You know what Ross ? Start your own thread. You can put forth your philosophy without having this OP's lunacies,blasphemies,obscenities and genocidal ideas hanging around your pagan neck like an albatross.
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Not going anywhere EH, if the CERN LHC, test goes wrong this coming wednesday. All of you will be going somewhere. The question is, where? Many say you will go to hell. It is also possible, that you will end up like the subject of the famous painting. You know the one where the character, is clutching his hands to his head in abject horror, and desperation,under a blazing red sky? This scenario could happen if everything should be broken down, into many different dimensions. As a result of the two protons colliding at over 11,000 miles per second. Perhaps each one of you could wind up, in a separate dimension, all alone, with no one else but yourself for the rest of your existence, or even for all of eternity.
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or we could wind up in a dimension of peace and tranquility. or we could wind up in a dimension where tbtb get to stay in power. or one where there never was a CERN. or one where... but ye get the idea. we could play this game all day. what we *could* be is all based on where we *are*. the hard part is figuring that out. there is so much information and so much of it is bull that it becomes ever more difficult to sort the truth from misinformation. if ye don't know where ye are coming from ye can never set a true course.
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Van Helsing / Ed Birchmore.. Teenager wants feel important that he matters in the world. He can't understand why he's the shunned one of his Christian community. HE believes he doing good while he spews forth ville hate and bigotry and disdain towards even his fellow Christians.

He believes himself to the ONLY Sane One.. but never realizing his mental illiness.
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Well see Pagemaker your taking the bible literally. Catholics from 1st grade are taught that Jesus's method of teaching was story telling (using symbols), metaphors and allegory which would be well understood of what he was speaking of at the time among the contemporariness.

Remember his teaching of the birds and lilies of the field along with Solomon's treasuries.. that Even with Solomon's great wealth (and he was said to have been bathing in gold) and robes did not match the spender of birds and lillies for they did not sow, worry of what tommorrow might bring. For god would provide for them. An thus they were far more richer and grander then Solomon's earthly treaures and robes.

If Jesus' Father could provide for the Lillie's and the Birds of the fields thusly. Then the Chruch should not have worried worried for "Earthly Treasure" to provide for their expansion.. If it were God's will for them to expand. Then it would have expanded of its own accord.. and it was doing Just that before Paul arrived on the scene and made it into merchandise..




Ah, comrade Nighshade09...


The 'Galililean Rabbi' said to 'lay our treasures up in Heaven.' (loosely transcribed from memory!).


If 'above, so as below,' why bother 'laying them up' at all...?


Why are you equating realities equal on all levels?


Did you really buy into a "Timeline 1, Variant 83 configuration...?


No way, say it ain't so, dude...!!!


hf

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And Jesus told His disciples that He spoke THEM in parables. He did not mention speaking to the general populace in the same manner.Because it was only to the disciples, that it was given to them (determined), to understand those particular sayings of His correctly.
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Actually the End of the World will come about.. In a firey blaze the oceans will boil and burn top plasma and every living thing on the face of the earth at the time will burn off. The Sun will become blood red dark and its flares will encough the earth as it fills the sky horizon to horizon..

But thats not due for another 14.6 billion years. By that time Humanity if has survived and EVOLVED will have gone on to other galaxies possibly other universes or might have become some form of energy being GOD if you will themselves. :)

You foaming at the mouth Fundies need Doom and Gloom "END OF THE WORLD TOMORROW! END OF THE WORLD TOMMOROW!!" because without that your message becomes useless.

Jesus himself supposedly told John the Apostle He would LIVE to see the second coming of Christ and the end of world as they had known.. John in fact did see Revelation unfold before his eyes. NERO was great beast the anti Christ. The the start of Christianities spread was New Kingdom and New Earth as the Old World had come to close.


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Yeah,well, the great tribulation spoken of by Jesus in the Bible is about to break forth. We are on the doorstep of the "beginning of sorrows". There will be one last Pentecostal blessing,the latter rain,the prophecy of Joel will be fulfilled and then we will have WW3. My survival plan is to be in the rapture. And yes, I know you are too far gone into pagan propaganda to believe that is real. So you'll maybe get to use some of your survival skills if you're unlucky enough to survive the nuclear war. When the forces of antichrist come for you or your head,tell them you're a pal of Nightshade; maybe they'll let you live.


Jesus said," Pray always that ye may ESCAPE all these things and to stand before the son of man" in his endtime discourse( Luke 21:36 ) and we have the promise of Rev. 3:10 that those who watch will escape the HOUR of tribulation. In II Thessalonians Paul taught that an 'apostasy" will take place first then the antichrist and wrath of Revelation. That is greek "hee aphisteemi", "the DEPARTURE and referred to the departure of the church in the pre-tribulation rapture.BEFORE king James the Geneva,Beza,Tyndale,Cranmer and other 16th century Bibles rendered this translation. Jesus expanded on that in Luke 17 alluding to Lot and Noe as types of this escape. Noe escaped the Flood. lot escaped Sodom THE SAME DAY the fire and brimstone fell. The Hebrews escaped the plagues of egypt and LEFT.



Later in Luke 17, Jesus tells the parable of one TAKEN and one LEFT. That word taken is parallel to Paul's term used in II Thess. 4:17 "harpazo" which means to TAKE AWAY, SNATCH UP. In the vulgate it is rebdered "RAPIO" from the verb RAPERE and is the latinate root from whence the word "rapture" comes.


in Revelation, Jesus exhorts His people to COME OUT,before the destruction of the endtime Babylon. Interestingly, I have found this same doctrine in the Winter Solstice ceremonies of the Hopi. it is in ancient manuscripts including the Tripartite Tractate,in the symbolic structure of the Pyramid at Gizeh and in the names of constellations and stars which were, according to ancient semitic tradition,given to the post Adamic patriarchs like Seth. it's a LONG story. i say this to demonstrate that the idea that the rapture is an evangelical invention of the 19th century is pathetically superficial and distortive. It truly is a THEOPHANY. A revelation that there is ALWAYS GRACE for the good when collective judgement falls.




When Jerusalem fell in 70 A.D., were the resident christians destroyed beside the inhabitants ? NO- they went to Pella.The city in stone. They heeded the prophetic Word of Jesus.


Some post-tribulationists believe Christians will have to go through this.This is false doctrine. They CANNOT anymore than LOT could stay in Sodom. Lot was told to come out,LEAVE because the Lord COULD NOT judge that city with the good man in it. And the church must leave because the antichrist cannot function in the presence of the true church. Jesus promised the gates of hell would not prevail against His church. That we would tread on scorpions and serpents. I have EXPERIENCED this in deliverance ministry exorcisms. The devils scream and howl as they have to leave before the presence of the holy Spirit in His ecclesia. so the church does not leave in the rapture to escape the devil,they must leave because otherwise these miserable devils and the devil himself will have his rear premises kicked just as has been going on in exorcisms and delliverances for 2000 years.





Jesus said His coming would be as a thief. Paul exhorted us not to be asleep but WATCH for this rapture-advent of Jesus. It will be the day of WW3. no one will be able to sleep through the horrors of tribulation,therefore the rapture must take place before the tribulation.



Now this pagan is talking survivalism and thinks his "skills' area preparation for what's coming. Hardly. Your pagan orientation has exiled you from this Biblical doctrine. One of many you are clueless about. your ravings against Pauline theology notwithstanding, you know nothing about eschatology otherwise you wouldn't be pushing this earthbound survivalism. 6000 rounds of ammo,pig farming,water purification,nitro-pak food and a subscription to Mother Earth News is not going to be adequate to the horrors of the Tribulation recorded in Revelation. Jesus' command is to watch for the end of the church age and for His second Coming. Not to watch out for the gaining of earthbound survivalist training. Once again you pagans have it EXACTLY BACKWARDS.
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The MAGI found Jesus with astrology. Jesus said there would be endtime signs in the Sun.Moon and Stars. The NEB translates the term "magi" as "astrologers". Daniel , the prophet who foretold Jesus' first advent, became head of the babylonian magi=he did not ban them. In psalm 19 the stars "uttereth SPEECH" and "sheweth knowledge". The heavens declare the glory of God. to be intelligible there has to be a symbolic LANGUAGE, a semantic system of understanding...this is what is termed "Astrology". Many Christian astronomers have written an explanation of star names and transits and eclipses to show how the magi found Jesus. Kepler was the first in a long line of astronomers using the astrology of 7-1 B.C. to anchor the proximate time of Jesus' birth. taking Jesus' cue from his endtime discourses, i have used simple transitist astrology to search for a proximate time of His coming.



Jesus gave many signs that he said would herald his Second Coming,INCLUDING CELESTIAL SIGNS. He said we would not know the day or hour but gave proximate signs that he said would tell us that the harvest time of summer,i.e, the end, was "nigh". One sign was the fig tree parable. If we connect that with the Birth of israel in 1948, the parable dovetails with the Mayan Calendar terminus of 2012-13. If you want more about that, check my posts under the topical heading of astrology in the GLP archives.


There is an entire chain-referenced complex that shows the "day of the Lord" includes references to tropes of nuclear war. " The heat with the shadow of a cloud" in Isaiah is one of dozens of these throughout the prophets and the endtime discourses of Jesus. Careful Etymological exegesis of Ezekial 38 & 39 describes a remarkably contemporary geopolitical picture of the evolving Mideast war in which Russia and Arab allies will fight a global nuclear war with The Anglo American nations and the saudis. Jesus gave the clue that the SAME day LOT came out of Sodom it would be the time of BRIMSTONE. He used that as aparable of the rapture and it correlates remarkably with NUMEROUS scriptural reference chains that say exactly the same.





I do mundane astrology of the nations to try and determine just how close we are to this nuclear war which is also the day of the rapture. Check out my admittedly speculative article regarding the year 2010 on this.



This is a VINDICATION,not a transgression, of the command to watch specifically for endtime signs. The ban on the astrologers in the OT specifically targets those cultures that used divination and traffic with spirits in connection with astrology. It's actually against the adulteration of the true celestial language that the MAGI WHO FOUND JESUS USED. Throughout Christian history there have been many advocates of this purer celestial language. Thomas Aquinas, a lodestone for Christian Orthodox Theology,believed in the efficacy of astrology. he said so in his Summa Contra Gentiles. His view is that SAPIENS DOMINABITUR ASTRIS. Wise men rule the stars. But he went on to say that men are not wise for the most part, so they are bound to the cycles of determinism,what a pagan might call "karma", because of this and this is why the astrology of large collectivities works. astrology is not causal. It is teleological and is a SIGN or an omen. It is therefore REFLECTIVE of God's will and timing of His providence. Pierre D"Ailly believed this. Nostradamus. Many Anglican clergymen were into astrology,again, as testimony to the order and critical flow pattern of future events.




We are close enough to see DRAMATIC astrological signs of the end of the age. The US nativity goes off like clockwork because it is a particularly violent and sinful nation. it is part of the TARSHISH kingdom,or Anglo American nations cited in Ezekial 38 and elsewhere. And the Russian national nativity does likewise. I have posted in other threads the specifics of how these charts work and how they show we are VERY near WW3 and the rapture.




Yes, astrology has many Christian proponents throughout Christian history. Bullinger. Joseph Seiss was a distinguished Lutheran minister who, wrote ' THE GOSPEL IN THE STARS" and bullinger wrote a similar text. It is a valuable and Biblically based subset of Biblical Prophecy. Now there is 'opposition" to astrology among Christians who are clueless about how it melds with prophecy and they endlessly quote scriptures about sorcery etc, that do not apply, in the selfsame ignorant manner that Nightshade does above.




Were the MAGI sorcerers ? NO. They were among the first to worship Jesus and the gospel authors were VERY CAREFUL to include their story in the gospel narrative.

Was Jesus a sorcerer when he cited Signs in the Sun.Moon and stars as signs of the imminence of His second Comong ? NO.

Was Daniel a sorcerer when he headed up the Magi in Babylon ? No- he gave the most remarkably specific and temporally precise prophecy of Jesus 1st advent 483 years ahead of time.


Was the author of psalm 19 a sorcerer ? No


Was the author of Genesis a sorcerer when he included reference to the stars as "signs". signs need an intelligible semantic to be a sign. That is what astrology is.


How about the author of Job ? No.


Was Aquinas and all the enlightened Christians through the ages who saw the efficacy of celestial signs when seen in the pure light of God's word and stripped of the pagan trappings of traffic with spirits...were they transgressing ? no.


The stars do indeed declare the glory of God and His handiwork.
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Re: The Official Militant Witch, Wiccan and Pagan Pride Thread; We’re Among You, We’re Here, We’re Not Going Anywhere. Get Used To IT!!
NIGHTSHADE. You have a perfect record. Once again you criticize and pontificate about something you are completely clueless about. This fits in with the rest of your devious,dishonest profile.





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