The Official Militant Witch, Wiccan and Pagan Pride Thread; We’re Among You, We’re Here, We’re Not Going Anywhere. Get Used To IT!!

ROSS.

1) The prayer was heartfelt.

2) You ARE ungrateful and unduly combative with me.

3) NEVERTHELESS. You may,as I say be a prodigal,or a Cornelius, I don't pretend to see your soul. So please don't pretend that is what I have pretense to. But I see paganism in all its sickness and satanic infirmity and I WILL speak up against it. I don't hate you but I hate your "religion" and the spirits animating it. I have met them. they have FANGS.

Someday we may indeed call eachother "brother". But until we are united by the Spirit of Jesus ,it can never be.

ROSS. THROWN IN THE TOWEL ? No.......YOU.....turned your back on Jesus.

You are a JUDAS. Betraying the One that amde you and died for you.

Judas made out better with his miserable 30 pieces of silver. You got a bogus religion and devils and devils posing as the dead whispering to you and a heart full of hate and anti-Christian vitriol in the exchange.

How woefully pitiful. How tragic. How absolutely disgraceful. Revolting to my spirit and to everyone who loves Jesus.
I have chosen the One who made all of us. the Redeemer,the savior,the Alpha,the Omega. You have choosen a self-invented,animistic nature religion sponsored by demons. You are the worst possible kind of loser and you will lose your very soul if you don't WAKE UP.

Well. I have to go. I have rhetorically left your head impaled on a pike here,Ross,as a warning to travellers along the path of magic and away from the good Lord who purchased their spiritual liberty with His sacrifice on the cross .

Oh, I'm used to it. I have faith in Jesus and I'm OK with what I believe. However, I think you will be mighty uncomfortable when Jesus comes back, and you're in line at the Sheep and Goats judgment and He asks the witches: "What was up with THAT?"

Will you consider the possibility that Jesus is real, loves you, and want you to turn to Him?

Well. I have to go. I have rhetorically left your head impaled on a pike here,Ross,as a warning to travellers along the path of magic and away from the good Lord who purchased their spiritual liberty with His sacrifice on the cross .



DO NOT GO THE WAY OF THIS LOST PAGAN SOUL,ROSS. BETRAYING CHRIST JESUS AS JUDAS DID WILL BRING ETERNAL CONSEQUENCES.



There I have affixed that little sign on the pike just below your head,Ross. Hope it wakes another poor traveller on the road to perdition ,should he wander into your magical valley of the dead and the damned.

You are bound to nature spirits which are demons,the dead(who are demons posing as the dead),Pagan fairy tales and your own diseased attitude towards Christ,Christians and the Word of God.

I did not say all Christians are bad or dare I say evil. Many of you are good kind hearted people and gasp a few of you are close friends to me.

Yet you are all still governed for the most part by fears and superstitions instilled into you by nearly 2000 years of "Church and Dogma." Anything that falls outside of your 'Christian' up bringing you automatically assume its evil.

For the most part these fears and biases have been projected outward within greater society until things like this happen to anyone 'not Christian approved.'

If that had happened to Christians there would have been marches and protests in the street. Coast to Coast.

But since they were non-Christian. I can tell you no one said a word or spoke up other then lawyers.

August 18, 2005

The Indiana Court of Appeals has invalidated a county judge’s order that barred divorcing Wiccan parents from exposing their only child to their spiritual practices.

In early 2004, Marion County Superior Court Chief Judge Cale J. Bradford granted a divorce to Thomas E. Jones Jr. and Tammie U. Bristol. The order directed the Indianapolis residents “to take such steps as are needed to shelter [the child] from involvement and observation of these non-mainstream religious beliefs and rituals.”

Bradford was alerted to the Pagan beliefs of Jones and Bristol by a report from the state’s Domestic Relations Counseling Bureau, which noted that the then-nine-year-old child attended a Catholic school. The report declared that the parents displayed “little insight into the confusion these divergent belief systems will have upon (the boy) as he ages.”

During the divorce hearing, Judge Bradford’s questioning of the couple on their spiritual beliefs and practices revealed the judge’s utter misunderstanding of the Wiccan faith and his indifference to religious liberty.

“All right, while the two of you are free to engage in any kind of behaviors you want to that are lawful, or that you don’t get caught at, I suppose, where you’ve got a child involved, that freedom can be somewhat limited,” Bradford said, according to the proceeding’s record. “First of all I want to get some information and I’ll start with you, sir, from your religion, and how exactly that is practiced and what implication that has on the child.”

While Jones was attempting to describe a Wiccan ritual, Bradford interrupted with the remark, “[P]eople might think that you worship Satan.” According to the record, Jones retorted, “I can’t worship something if I don’t believe in it.”

Following that hearing, Bradford issued the divorce decree containing the order that both Jones and Bristol shelter their child from their spiritual practices. Wicca is a Pagan belief system that centers on nature. Both parents were incensed and filed a motion asking the judge to remove the order. Bradford denied their motion in November 2004.

The parents, represented by the Indiana Civil Liberties Union, then asked the Court of Appeals of Indiana to reverse Bradford’s action.

A three-judge panel unanimously did so on Aug. 17. At the outset of the 8-page opinion, Judge Patricia A. Riley, citing state and federal court precedent, noted that parents “have a constitutionally recognized fundamental right to control the upbringing, education, and religious training of their children.”

However, the appeals court did not reverse Bradford’s decree on constitutional principle. Instead, Riley pointed to part of Indiana’s domestic law that the parent with custody, in this case Jones, “may determine the child’s upbringing, including the child’s education, health care, and religion training.”

The law limits the custodial parent’s power to determine those factors only if the court agrees with an argument from the noncustodial parent that the child’s physical or mental health “would be significantly impaired” by the custodian’s decisions. Additionally that law allows for both parents to offer a written agreement for the court’s approval on the child’s upbringing.

In ruling in Jones v. Jones, the Indiana appeals court noted that the parents did not submit a document calling on the trial court to limit Jones’ custodial authority.

“In fact, Mother, whom the Decree named as the noncustodial parent, is also a practicing Wiccan and joined in the motion” to nullify Judge Bradford’s order.

The appeals court then concluded that Bradford lacked authority to curtail Jones’ custodial powers because the judge had no proof that the child would be harmed physically or mentally by exposure to Wiccan practices.

Judge Bradford was way off base when he demanded that Jones and Bristol keep their child from partaking in Wiccan rituals. It is a fundamental right, protected by the U.S. Constitution and many state laws, for parents to rear their children without unreasonable interference by government. Giving parents orders on religious matters, which is what Bradford did, was clearly unreasonable. The Indiana Court of Appeals was right to correct Bradford’s glaring error.

As the Rev. Barry W. Lynn, executive director of Americans United for Separation of Church and State, told the Associated Press, judges cannot substitute their religious judgment for that of parents.

“This is an absurd result,” Lynn said in regards to Bradford’s decree, “because in the eyes of the law being a Pagan should be no different from being a Presbyterian.”

By Jeremy Leaming


Btw Thomas E. Jones Jr. and Tammie U. Bristol are good friends of mine and former Coven members.





Here's an example of "Christian" Love Was Expressed To the Pagans and Witches of Europe.

The Burning Times


[link to www.youtube.com]

An why most Wiccans, Pagans and Witches don't give a flying leap about your so called Christian Love for humanity. We know you to be hypocrites today as you were in the middle ages.


Not all christians are like that. Many of us follow in Christ's footsteps and have compassion for everyone, no matter who they are, what they have done, their sexual orientation, and their religion. Heavenly Father does not discriminate. Why should we discriminate?

I do think that Wicca is a wonderful, and rich religion.

I pray for you Ross.I hope Jesus can find where your hiding place is and make His call real to you.I hope one day you will be healed to the degree you will feel ashamed for playing the role of JUDAS in your life. I pray for all in exile from Christ. But there is a line that can be crossed that makes return to the fold impossible. Only Jesus knows where that line is in each individual life and when it has been crossed. I will tell you this,Ross....it appears to me that you are straddling that line or over it. You better get your act together and serve Jesus with what is left of your existence because these ARE the endtimes. time is short. And frankly, it appears like you've had, and continue to have lots of squandered time with the elves and fairies in paganland. And those devils are not just wasting THEIR time. Oh no. They have an agenda. They want you in their world. Forever. It's where you will not want to be when the curtain comes down on this present age.

NIGHTSHADE. Too many horror movies and too little Bible study. I have met 'Dracula" in deliverance ministry.in real-time,real-world exorcism. "He" submits EVERY TIME to Jesus Christ and he howls and whines when he leaves. Oh yeah.Doesn't happen when you play your role-playing fantasies published by White -Wolf; but i am talking about demonology- not "Vampire-the Masquerade". I'm afraid your 'pagan" backround has left you ill equipped for the REAL spiritual world.

I notice that the specific points I made about Shamanism,Demonology, etc. were scrupulously avoided by you and,so far, any pagan posters.




Note to self: Respond to substantive responses. Do not
waste time with meaningless cyberspace pillow fights.

The sad part is you're not even pagan. You and those like you have been stamped out in the cookie mold of the college of Dungeons and Dragons. You're narcissistic theatre majors who make silly attempts to speak in a tongue from another century to create another world,a magical world out of time,where you can be who you want to be,play role-playing games to your childish heart's desire and basically- escape the world of the grown ups.

Note to self: Respond to substantive responses. Do not
waste time with meaningless cyberspace pillow fights.

NIGHTSHADE. Too many horror movies and too little Bible study. I have met 'Dracula" in deliverance ministry.in real-time,real-world exorcism. "He" submits EVERY TIME to Jesus Christ and he howls and whines when he leaves. Oh yeah.Doesn't happen when you play your role-playing fantasies published by White -Wolf; but i am talking about demonology- not "Vampire-the Masquerade". I'm afraid your 'pagan" backround has left you ill equipped for the REAL spiritual world.

I notice that the specific points I made about Shamanism,Demonology, etc. were scrupulously avoided by you and,so far, any pagan posters.




Note to self: Respond to substantive responses. Do not
waste time with meaningless cyberspace pillow fights.

No your a fanatical Christian.

There is no point debating fanatics there is NOTHING Ross or I could convince you of. For you have ALREADY made up your mind. Your just here to spread your hate.

You are no better then a Islamic terrorist that decapitates captives. An no different. You just happen to be Christian.


I'm just going to let you ramble on and let the Real Christians see you for who and what you are.

A Hate filled bigot with little or no faith in your Jesus or God.


So ramble on fanatic ramble on.


Nightshade 09




NIGHTSHADE. Too many horror movies and too little Bible study. I have met 'Dracula" in deliverance ministry.in real-time,real-world exorcism. "He" submits EVERY TIME to Jesus Christ and he howls and whines when he leaves. Oh yeah.Doesn't happen when you play your role-playing fantasies published by White -Wolf; but i am talking about demonology- not "Vampire-the Masquerade". I'm afraid your 'pagan" backround has left you ill equipped for the REAL spiritual world.

I notice that the specific points I made about Shamanism,Demonology, etc. were scrupulously avoided by you and,so far, any pagan posters.




Note to self: Respond to substantive responses. Do not
waste time with meaningless cyberspace pillow fights.

(i have to go for a while. i'll be back to check on the sneaks who never address my points but who hurl invective when they think I've left.)

if you assaulted the Koran like you do the bible,the Moslems WOULD take your head.