need facts claiming that jesus is GOD in the flesh and that GODs name is JESUS...

Mine are COUNTER CLAIMS, the burden of the original claims,





are still yours grasshopper!!

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If it expects, or demands worship, it is not divine!!
Let the truth be told... though the heavens fall!
The opposite of bravery is not cowardice but conformity.
Nothing is more dangerous, than trying to give truth to people, who are stuck in their ways...
I am not bound by the laws of original sin.. I am one of the other people..
[link to www.paganlibrary.com]

Jesus is a god, just like Zeus and Baal, and Thor and scores of others.
Anyone who ever believed in a false god always believed their god was the only god and all the others were false.

there is only one Creator

To be blunt, go do your own research.

Call his name in sincerity and trust him and watch him move. He has never let me down in my whole life, since i was a child, not once. Not little miracles, big ones. But you have to have faith for it to work.

Maybe Hardtruth's god is on the potty?

It seems his god is unavailable at this time.


Oh, the heights of hypocrisy.

He cannot and will never be able to offer proof for his claims but rather, try to pretend he has not made claims of his own.


The answer to my question in what proof he can offer other than his links, opnion, etc. is……..NONE.

This person cannot offer the same proof he requires.


Perhaps he should change his name to HardMaybe?



Oh boy. This is rich.

I will add this thread to my favorites!

OP, there is no solid proof that Jesus existed as God. There is proof that Jesus existed, but His divine nature was argued by bishops of the Council of Nicaea.

So Jesus being God Himself, arguable.
Jesus existing, plausible.

I personally do believe that Jesus is a God. But not God our Father in who's image we were created.

I have no proof of this, but I do have faith; which is proof enough for me. Whether you think I'm an idiot makes no difference. Life goes on and I go where it takes me.

for proof!

We are still here, on Earth, even after the many times your YHVH has failed to destroy us!!

Maybe the TRUE CREATOR really does work in mysterious ways!!

The absentee god appears now to be your YHVH!!

Please, send him my way for a chat!!

___________
If it expects, or demands worship, it is not divine!!
Let the truth be told... though the heavens fall!
The opposite of bravery is not cowardice but conformity.
Nothing is more dangerous, than trying to give truth to people, who are stuck in their ways...
I am not bound by the laws of original sin.. I am one of the other people..
[link to www.paganlibrary.com]

okay faith: i have faith i havent paid a single bill of mine for about 4 months now and still no reposseion or letters concerning my bills, i get what i need by faith, i am always happy by faith, but if i really think about it i think it just comes down to positive thinking, i never hink the worst for myself i always expect the best and i get the best, even though i mock the bible i still have a read now and then but every time i read it it shows me the positive things, i dont take unto believing in the bible the way christians do(no offence to christians) i have been baptised in JESUS name and no i didnt go against the bible because i had the question in my head saying "but what if i am wrong" it was because one day while i was in meditation a voice came down strongly upon me and said "man has corrupted that book" and then it said "although it is corrupted my words are pure and infallable" now its up to you to believe what i say, i dont read the bible like a book i just let the lord flip me to whatever page, just like a lucky dip....well as i move on in my questioning i start learning more and more...thankyou you people

People have had doubts and questions about who Jesus really was since He first walked the earth.

When Jesus came into the coasts of Caesarea Philippi, he asked his disciples, saying, Whom do men say that I the Son of man am?

And they said, Some say that thou art John the Baptist: some, Elias; and others, Jeremias, or one of the prophets.

He saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am?

And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.

And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.

kjv St. Matthew 16:13-17

Notice that flesh and blood (ie, the natural mind, reason, intellect, science, the scientific method, evidence, proof)did not provide Peter with the answer but rather revelation from God the Father Himself.

Now if it takes a revelation from God to reveal that His Son is the Christ, do you think it will take a much less glorious source of physical proof (flesh and blood) that He is also God...or will that require a second special revelation from God as well?

Do the math. If Jesus is God, no amount of tangible proof in the world will satisfy the inquirer. It has to be a revealed thing that is received by faith.

Jesus never went about saying directly, "I am God!"; He went about doing the things that only a God can do and then posing the question to every human being on earth "Who do YOU think that I am?".

I like that. I believe the same. So many people think it's impossible for the bible to be corrupted. But how can it not when man wrote it?

1. Why callest they me good?

2. No man knows the day or the hour...

Why callest thou me good?

much like roman gods us maori have our own gods aswell but we have the almighty Io Matua who has no mother nor father and who is the creator of all the other gods, we have various myths and legends which have been long forgotten but they do have truth in them, i believe that a god in our ancestors eyes was somebody who had strong spirituality, our maori people always say that in the days of our ancestors the spirituality was stronger than it is now..so jesus i do believe had very godlike abilitys but I believe he wasnt a god or GOD himself...peace

God.....is that you?

In other words......



This poster has no proof, just avoidance.

Uh-huh.

Never gonna happen.



Next........

Anyone else have proof?

Let me ask you a hypothetical:

If you were God and one day you found yourself coming out of a woman's womb, being in the form of a human, and subject to not only your mother who birthed you, but also her husband who has now become your earthly father, as well as subject to the rules of society, and being subject to the knowledge of a God in Heaven that all religious men of that culture and day were, would you not then, in the midst of all that pressure and awareness, tag yourself with the name 'son' and fullfil a son's role?

Remember, God is a God of order and never breaks His own laws. Any being born of flesh, God or not, is still subject to THE God of heaven, even if only to satisfy the demands and requirements imposed by a physical male birth experience.

Also remember that terms like 'family', 'husband', 'wife', 'father', 'mother', 'child', 'son', 'daughter', etc, did not exist outside of God's revelation of it through the physical creation and the Scriptures.

You can't use definitions brought into being by God 'after the fact of creation' to backtrack how a God might be both a Father as well as a Son!

Jesus, the Son, is God, and God, the Father, is God. Both are the same God. That is a revelation. Whether a son can be a father to that son or not is semantics after-the-fact.

lol...

We are all still waiting for your proof skippy, and waiting, and waiting, and waiting, and waiting.............

You are correct, it's never gonna happen!!

You lack the proof grasshopper!!

It's your religion, not mine!!

___________
If it expects, or demands worship, it is not divine!!
Let the truth be told... though the heavens fall!
The opposite of bravery is not cowardice but conformity.
Nothing is more dangerous, than trying to give truth to people, who are stuck in their ways...
I am not bound by the laws of original sin.. I am one of the other people..
[link to www.paganlibrary.com]

true well like i said i learn more and more thankyou, but what about church and all the things christians do, condeming people to hell because of their beliefs, if you dont pay your tithes you have comitted a sin,if you dont attend church on a regular basis it is considerd a sin,if you drink and smoke your instantly seen as a sinner, then you have them that say faith without works is nothing,what are the works of GOD? faith without love is nothing so you could be full of faith but the minute you say something evil against sombody else your faith is nothing and i know alot of christians that like to claim that they are given the truth and all other denominations are of the devil, you have john 3:16 for GOD so loved the world that he gave his only begotten son that whosoever shall BELIEVETH shall not perish but rcieve eternal life, so all we have to do is believe??

It is not ridiculous for a person to be subject to him/her self. Every one of you does it continuously, unless you have a co-dependency problem or are brainwashed to follow a human leader.

"I think I'll stay away from candy for a while until I lose some weight!"

Is that not an example of you submitting yourself to you? Whenever you resist the urge to steal or lie, is that not you submitting to you?

So why should it be thought a strange thing if Jesus, the Son submits Himself to God the Father even if they are one and the same God?

OP, O'm sorry but I am afraid I don't understand your question? Could you please rephrase it and I will do my best to respond.

This thread will come in very handy.

well i suppose faith is the key huh, i am still sitting on the fence at the moment, does that mean i am condemnd to hell? are we subject to religion? and belief systems? or do we live a free life where the world is our oyster? do we HAVE to do the things the bible says? now this brings me to another question, why is it that all christians from different denominations claim to have the truth? mormons jehova whitnesses trinitarians catholics jewish and all the other denominations are all arguing over the same book, why?

fuckstick!

Allah says that Jesus was just another man who had some knowledge of god. Jesus even had the name wrong. The real name of God in his land of Galilee was Baal, who took the name of Allah when the Midianites came to his worship. That true faith came to the Arab people and they learned that the only name of God was Baal-Allah, or just Allah for short.

I don't care if you believe or not that Jesus was God incarnate. In the end, it will be between you and God. Nobody will be able to save you except the acts that you did here on earth.

Hope the answers you are getting are what you were seeking.

Jesus Himself said "I AM" which everyone at the time knew meant he was saying he was on the same level as God. And that's a big reason why the Jewish leaders had Him murdered. It should be noted though, that a lot of Jews believed Jesus was as God and did not want Him to be murdered.

As far a Jesus and God being the same 'being'... I have been a Christian for many years and to the best of my understanding Jesus and God are two different beings. But they are so close spiritually that they are 'as one'. Jesus sits at the right hand of the Father (God) but Jesus is worthy to be worshiped as my Lord. When I pray, I pray to God the Father but I end my prayers "In Jesus' name Amen".