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A few weeks ago there was a thread asking about what kind of pain relief was possible, if you couldn't afford or get to a doctor...

Several things was mentioned, one of them being that the Poppy seeds you may have in your cupboard are actually OPIUM POPPIES and that you can sprout the seeds and grow plants from them.

I was a little skeptical about this so I did some research and found that indeed, the only edible (Or sold as edible) poppy seeds are from the same plant that opium comes from. The seeds don't have much if any opium, by the way...

That led me to test the seeds themselves to see if they would really sprout and grow...

They did! (I have thrown the sprouts away however, as I don't need opium poppies around my house, it was just a test to make certain the seeds were real and would grow.They did, I destroyed the plants. don't do drugs kids.)

But I promised I would report in on it if that actually worked.

:)

Now, technically it's illegal to even start the sprouts on purpose, but as long as you do not intend to harvest opium, there is almost never a legal consequence to growing them. (If found in your flower bed, they will be pulled and destroyed, but as long as you don't try to harvest the opium by scoring the seed pods and collecting the dried 'sap' (which is opium!) you are generally in the clear.

However, we are talking about a mythical time when the only medications you may have are those you can collect or make for yourself.

This one is actually possible!

:)
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And I'll look down and whisper "No."
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so what does Opium cure?
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Aspirin can be made from the bark of willow trees...
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so what does Opium cure?
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so what does Opium cure?
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Opium doesn't cure anything medically. It can be used as a powerful pain reliever however, as strong as almost anything they give you in the hospital, if you have enough.

Made into a tea, you will only get a little "high" but it will stop most non-life threatening discomfort.

If smoked it is stronger and will create a powerful (and highly addictive! So don't use it for getting high!) euphoric sensation, and an even stronger feeling of pain relief.

I don't know how to do it myself, but Morphine, which is pretty much the most powerful pain reliever we have to my knowledge, is made from Opium.

It is a bit like using a nuke to kill a mouse to use it on a headache, but if things are seriously bad in the world, it may save lives by making surgery possible for instance or give people a chance to relax and heal when they otherwise might not.
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Oh my God I am going to buy some poppy seeds now.I know my crop of choice this spring.ohyeah
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Re: Pain Relief for when TSHTF...
Aspirin can be made from the bark of willow trees...
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True and clove oil works well (and pretty powerfully) for tooth aches.

There was a really powerful, and totally legal, Chinese herb that I found online that supposedly does wonders and can replace codien or vicoden when made into a tea, but the name escapes me now.
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Helpful info....I'll add poppy seeds to my survival list....Could come in very handy for broken bones or dental pain relief.
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True and clove oil works well (and pretty powerfully) for tooth aches.


Also good to keep pesky mosquito's away. And other bugs.
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True and clove oil works well (and pretty powerfully) for tooth aches.


Also good to keep pesky mosquito's away. And other bugs.
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Is clove oil sold in health food stores, or just stores in general?
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of course there's always alcohol, which can be made from anything that ferments.
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True and clove oil works well (and pretty powerfully) for tooth aches.


Also good to keep pesky mosquito's away. And other bugs.



Is clove oil sold in health food stores, or just stores in general?
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I KNOW you can find it in a health food store, and often in stores with a health food and nutrition section...

I don't know about regular stores. You want pure clove oil if you can find it, you can always dilute it with another oil yourself if it is too strong.
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Do you press the oil out of the poppy seed, details please.
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Street soft cocain is a great topical numbing agent

Heorine is just poppy

Dont forget Whiskey and homemade hootch

cheers,Richard Whiskey
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Yan Hu Suo (Rhizoma Corydalis): This is the name of the pretty powerful pain herb I mentioned.

It is said to be about as strong as you can go without using an opium base.

(Legal as far as I can tell, and can be ordered online. A stock of this may not hurt...)
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Do you press the oil out of the poppy seed, details please.
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No, the seeds don't have much in them at all, they are edible, supposed to be VERY tasty when fresh however...

It is the seed pod itself (the housing of the seeds) that contains a milky liquid that you dry to get opium itself.

Or the Pods can be dried directly (or even after harvesting some opium from them, then leaving them growing for a few days before harvesting.) and used to make a powerful tea.

However, my knowledge of this is only what I have read online. The actual practice may be different for all I know.

I suggest looking things up directly for yourselves.

:)
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Do you press the oil out of the poppy seed, details please.


No, the seeds don't have much in them at all, they are edible, supposed to be VERY tasty when fresh however...

It is the seed pod itself (the housing of the seeds) that contains a milky liquid that you dry to get opium itself.

Or the Pods can be dried directly (or even after harvesting some opium from them, then leaving them growing for a few days before harvesting.) and used to make a powerful tea.

However, my knowledge of this is only what I have read online. The actual practice may be different for all I know.

I suggest looking things up directly for yourselves.

:)
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Thanks....once again, good info.
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knife to the heart

no more pain
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Actually, they are totally legal to grow.

The pods are also legal as decoration.

Good thread though.

Clove oil for a toothache and Asprin in willow bark too.
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Kratom.

You can grow it in frost free locations.
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Re: Pain Relief for when TSHTF...
A few weeks ago there was a thread asking about what kind of pain relief was possible, if you couldn't afford or get to a doctor...

Several things was mentioned, one of them being that the Poppy seeds you may have in your cupboard are actually OPIUM POPPIES and that you can sprout the seeds and grow plants from them.

I was a little skeptical about this so I did some research and found that indeed, the only edible (Or sold as edible) poppy seeds are from the same plant that opium comes from. The seeds don't have much if any opium, by the way...

That led me to test the seeds themselves to see if they would really sprout and grow...

They did! (I have thrown the sprouts away however, as I don't need opium poppies around my house, it was just a test to make certain the seeds were real and would grow.They did, I destroyed the plants. don't do drugs kids.)

But I promised I would report in on it if that actually worked.

:)

Now, technically it's illegal to even start the sprouts on purpose, but as long as you do not intend to harvest opium, there is almost never a legal consequence to growing them. (If found in your flower bed, they will be pulled and destroyed, but as long as you don't try to harvest the opium by scoring the seed pods and collecting the dried 'sap' (which is opium!) you are generally in the clear.

However, we are talking about a mythical time when the only medications you may have are those you can collect or make for yourself.

This one is actually possible!

:)
 Quoting: Dancer (Unchained)

Poppy seeds make you come up dirty on a UA ..my brother is a detective.. hf
Who so boasteth himself of a false gift is like clouds and wind without rain.
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Stock herb Comfrey for broken bones. Heals them quickest.
Helpful info....I'll add poppy seeds to my survival list....Could come in very handy for broken bones or dental pain relief.
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CAUTION to all fools who might read this and get ideas. Do not try it. It causes respiratory depression if you were to get too much. You would get sleepy, stop breathing and die.
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As external poultice only I think.
Stock herb Comfrey for broken bones. Heals them quickest.
Helpful info....I'll add poppy seeds to my survival list....Could come in very handy for broken bones or dental pain relief.
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Thanks Dancer!
Excellent info

Wouldn't want to live on the stuff, but what if you needed to have a wisdom tooth pulled in a survival situation? Or even worse, amputation?

The opium can be harvested from growing poppys by putting tiny pricks throughout the bulb, then scrape of the milky sap that is excreted. As far as further processing I don't know though.

I wonder though if the commercial poppy seeds you buy, even if you can germinate and grow poppys, will the next generation of seeds produce plants?
Ie - do they have that nasty Monsanto 'terminator gene'?
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High potency marijuana is very effective with some types of pain. Many years ago I burned my face badly when removing a radiator cap on a car that was running hot. That's why you probably shouldn't do it unless you know what you're doing.. Seriously. You'd be amazed at the amount of force and volume that the boiling water has as it bounces off the inside of the bonnet and hits you in the face .
Doctors gave me some prescription painkillers that didn't really do the job but as luck would have it I picked up a hitchhiker who had some amazing pot and to cut a long story short the pot completely relieved the pain.
Note that I'm not advocating the use of illegal drugs but I think cannabis has potential as a legal medicinal drug for a variety of conditions.

Other natural pain killers are

Mint Oil: - from MSNBC

2:37 p.m. ET Aug. 25, 2006

The doctors of ancient Greece and China had it right when they applied cool and minty salves to soothe aches and pains, a new study suggests.

A synthetic treatment with the same properties as mint oil is an effective painkiller when applied directly to the skin. The new cooling compounds could be especially beneficial to millions suffering with the chronic pain of arthritis and diseases affecting nerve endings, scientists say.

“They work particularly well in ongoing pain states where the nervous system becomes hypersensitive so even the lightest touch becomes painful,” said study leader Susan Fleetwood-Walker, a professor of neuroscience at the University of Edinburgh.

Healers in ancient Chinese societies treated injuries with mint oil, which contains anti-inflammatory properties and produces a cooling effect on the skin.

Cold compresses were also recommended in the fifth century BC by Hippocrates, who is considered the father of modern medicine. Swelling and joint pain could be eased by the numbing effect of copious amounts of cold water, the ancient Greek scholar said.

Rose Hip: - from Telegraph UK

1:02AM BST 19/05/2008

Rosehip could be more effective than painkillers at easing the pain of arthritis sufferers, scientists claim.

The pain-relieving properties of rosehip, which has previously been linked to reduced inflammation in osteoarthritis, have been suggested for decades. Now scientists have found that powder made from a wild variety of rosehip, Rosa canina, is better at reducing pain in patients than paracetamol.

It is hoped that the fruit of the plant could bring relief to the more than two million sufferers of osteoarthritis in Britain, many of whom suffer acute pain.

A review of studies, published in the medical journal, Osteoarthritis and Cartilage, looked at the effect of the powder on more than 300 patients who were given different pain-relieving medications for an average of three months.

They found that rosehip was almost three times more effective than standard paracetamol at relieving pain. It was also almost 40 per cent more effective than another common therapy, the drug glucosamine.

Rosehip powder also did not have the side-effects associated with other pain medications, including constipation and
drowsiness.

The team which conducted the study, led by Dr Robin Christensen, of the Frederiksberg Hospital in Copenhagen, believes the powder works by also tackling the inflammation associated with osteoarthritis.

Dr Kaj Winther, an inflammation specialist at the Frederiksberg Hospital, said: "This is very exciting news for arthritis sufferers. Some of the main advantages of taking an alternative medication such as rosehip to reduce pain are that, firstly, it is readily available over the counter and, secondly, unlike traditional painkillers, it does not produce unpleasant side-effects."

Osteoarthritis can occur in any joint in the body, although it is most common in the hands, knees, hips and spine. The disease is caused by the slow deterioration of the joint over many years and tends to run in families.

Mirrors: - from New Scientist

13:10 01 November 2005

Ease pain by taking a good look at yourself

Some patients suffering chronic pain in their limbs have found an unlikely source of relief – mirrors. Researchers say the drug-free treatment works on people with complex regional pain syndrome (CRPS) and repetitive strain injury (RSI) because it tricks the brain into correcting its distorted image of the body.

CRPS occurs in about one-third of people who fracture their wrists: they suffer unexplained persistent pain in their hand, arm or shoulder once the supportive plaster cast is removed. The pain can be so bad that some patients beg for their arm to be amputated, says Candy McCabe, who developed the novel mirror therapy at the University of Bath in the UK.

In the study, eight CRPS patients sat in front long mirrors. These were placed so that each person could see only the healthy half of their body, along with another reflection of the same half.

The result was that the side of the body with the painful arm was hidden from their view and it appeared to the patients as if they had two healthy arms. They were told to concentrate hard on the image and try to believe that what they saw was a true depiction of themselves.

“Three of them were cured instantly; the others took a little longer,” says McCabe. “But once the mirror was removed, the pain returned.” However, with continued mirror therapy, six people were completely cured. The two exceptions had conditions complicated by limb ulcers and actual physical distortions.
Refined body image

Since the experiment, McCabe says she has successfully treated many other CRPS, and RSI patients, with the technique. She believes the pain results from a mismatch in the way the brain perceives the body and the actual condition of the body.

The brain is constantly sending signals to the body, predicting things like the shape and weight of the limbs, and their location. The sensory nervous system responds by sending information back, allowing the brain to refine its body image.

“When the arm is immovable in a plaster cast a mismatch occurs," McCabe says. "The brain sends out signals to the arm, but gets nothing back, so it triggers its own pain sensation in response." When the cast is removed, most people recover from the confusion spontaneously, but a third continue to feel pain. "The mirror tricks the brain into resetting its body image and stops the pain,” she says.

She thinks a similar mismatch occurs in people who develop RSI. "When a typist stares at a still screen, or a violinist at sheet music, while their hands move rapidly, it causes confusion,” McCabe says.
Mild tingling

In a further study to test their brain mismatch theory, McCabe and colleagues at Bath Royal National Hospital for Rheumatic Diseases conducted an experiment on 41 healthy volunteers. As before, each was sat in front of a mirror which bisected them in two, giving them a symmetrical image of their body, and were asked to believe that the image truly represented them.

They were asked to move their two arms in different directions while watching their reflection – creating a mismatch between the actual motion of the hidden arm and the apparent motion viewed in the mirror.

“Almost instantly they began to feel sensations in the arm they couldn’t see, which ranged from mild tingling through to uncomfortable levels of pain, McCabe said. “Some found it too painful to last the 20-second test duration.”

Peter Buckle, an RSI expert at Robens Centre for Health Ergonomics at Surrey University, says it is well-known that the brain can be confused by creating a difference between actual and apparent motion. But he does not believe this is a factor in RSI. “RSI has been around for hundreds of years and describes very real physical symptoms including inflammation and nerve damage," he says.
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Good information, thanks!
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Why would you want to go on drugs when TSHTF? I would personally want to experience it as consciously as possible...
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Why would you want to go on drugs when TSHTF? I would personally want to experience it as consciously as possible...
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one word: barter.

you dont think drugs will be a hot commodity?

think of all the many people whom are prescribed pain killers and the hell they will be facing when their month supply finally runs out with no more pharmacy to fill the script nor any doctor to write said script.



the pharmacy is going to be one of the first places i loot when that time comes.


till then i wait.


@dancer: thanks for the post back. i was looking for your reply on that thread the other day actually and was sad to not see it there. lets just say i have a personal interest in this info and you have helped me greatly.





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