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Anonymous Coward User ID: 490986 United States 02/02/2009 06:40 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It would be possible to use your argument to justify doing nothing about anything - war, child cruelty, injustice... conspiracies? Quoting: HannibalTheCannibalNot really, because they are inherantly human affairs, based on human social structure and our relationship to other members of our species. Everybody knows animals are not our species, so to treat them as equally important is something that is pretty unlikely given the ethical question and need. I dont think its impossible, but you have to admit, its certainly less likely that everybody will turn Veg/Vegan than it is for world peace. If you can see that, im afraid you have not observed the human race and history much. You realize that we basically have the same DNA with only minor fractions of differences... |
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(OP) User ID: 599555 United Kingdom 02/02/2009 06:43 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The moral superiority is that I take less life than a meat eater. Quoting: mirabilisYou cant prove that though. Its an ethical and moral stalemate, which raises the question of why bother in the first place, as ethically and morally you are no better off. There is NO PROFIT IN PEACE, There is NO PROPHET IN PEACE. Resident GLP Religion HATER and PROUD Atheist. Carl Sagan "A celibate clergy is an especially good idea, because it tends to suppress any hereditary propensity toward fanaticism." [link to img181.imageshack.us] |
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(OP) User ID: 599555 United Kingdom 02/02/2009 06:46 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | You realize that we basically have the same DNA with only minor fractions of differences... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 490986About 90% with a cabbage, Point? There is NO PROFIT IN PEACE, There is NO PROPHET IN PEACE. Resident GLP Religion HATER and PROUD Atheist. Carl Sagan "A celibate clergy is an especially good idea, because it tends to suppress any hereditary propensity toward fanaticism." [link to img181.imageshack.us] |
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(OP) User ID: 599555 United Kingdom 02/02/2009 06:50 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I do not intentionally take any life. Quoting: mirabilisI suppose that depends entirely on what one would call life. I dont consider a bug anymore important than a potatoe, but odly i have this idea a domesticated cat or dog is more important than a fly, however my head knows it isn't. Can you honestly say an animal has more right to life than a plant? There is NO PROFIT IN PEACE, There is NO PROPHET IN PEACE. Resident GLP Religion HATER and PROUD Atheist. Carl Sagan "A celibate clergy is an especially good idea, because it tends to suppress any hereditary propensity toward fanaticism." [link to img181.imageshack.us] |
mirabilis
User ID: 603552 United Kingdom 02/02/2009 06:54 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The moral superiority is that I take less life than a meat eater. Quoting: HannibalTheCannibalYou cant prove that though. Its an ethical and moral stalemate, which raises the question of why bother in the first place, as ethically and morally you are no better off. Well yes I am better off because even if it were the case that I take as much life as a meat eater does it doesn't change the intention which is to try to take no life. If I take life it is despite my best efforts whereas you take life because of your best efforts. Perhaps the difference between manslaughter and murder? "As far as we can discern, the sole purpose of human existence is to kindle a light of meaning in the darkness of mere being" Carl Jung |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 606373 Germany 02/02/2009 06:57 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The moral superiority is that I take less life than a meat eater. Quoting: mirabilisYou cant prove that though. Its an ethical and moral stalemate, which raises the question of why bother in the first place, as ethically and morally you are no better off. Well yes I am better off because even if it were the case that I take as much life as a meat eater does it doesn't change the intention which is to try to take no life. If I take life it is despite my best efforts whereas you take life because of your best efforts. Perhaps the difference between manslaughter and murder? |
mirabilis
User ID: 603552 United Kingdom 02/02/2009 06:57 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Can you honestly say an animal has more right to life than a plant? Quoting: HannibalTheCannibalCan you honestly say that you have more right to life than an animal? "As far as we can discern, the sole purpose of human existence is to kindle a light of meaning in the darkness of mere being" Carl Jung |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 479131 Canada 02/02/2009 07:04 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Do you know how bourgeois and selfish and self centered a person is who has emotional food "preferences.? Do you know how many people in the world have no choice? Do you know what you are saying about people that got us to this point without the luxury of "choosing." They had to survive on what there was - you hypocritical spoiled bastards. Do you know what you are saying about Inuit lifestyles and others who cannot order up their food from another country - you hypocritical bourgeois and selfish bastards. (at what cost to the planet I might add!!!!!!! transporation - polution) so you can indulge your freaky ideas.) Do you know what happens when everyone goes bourgeois and selfish with their personal preference, those food animals go extinct right away... why keep them around? Do you know who subsidizes your selfish freakish habits? - meat eaters. Morality... Yes, it is better to treat all food with the greatest of care and respect. That has nothing to do with the issue. That is another issue. At the end of the day "every animate creature" is food... including YOU. That is the reality of being an earth creature. You vegitoids make me puke - carrot bits. |
mirabilis
User ID: 603552 United Kingdom 02/02/2009 07:08 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Do you know how bourgeois and selfish and self centered a person is who has emotional food "preferences.? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 479131Do you know how many people in the world have no choice? Do you know what you are saying about people that got us to this point without the luxury of "choosing." They had to survive on what there was - you hypocritical spoiled bastards. Do you know what you are saying about Inuit lifestyles and others who cannot order up their food from another country - you hypocritical bourgeois and selfish bastards. (at what cost to the planet I might add!!!!!!! transporation - polution) so you can indulge your freaky ideas.) Do you know what happens when everyone goes bourgeois and selfish with their personal preference, those food animals go extinct right away... why keep them around? Do you know who subsidizes your selfish freakish habits? - meat eaters. Morality... Yes, it is better to treat all food with the greatest of care and respect. That has nothing to do with the issue. That is another issue. At the end of the day "every animate creature" is food... including YOU. That is the reality of being an earth creature. You vegitoids make me puke - carrot bits. Do you know that everyone in the world could be fed with ease if we didn't dedicate a disproportionate percentage of land and water to raising animals? I believe the amounts involved are something like 1 acre of land that is used to raise cattle will produce 1 pound of protein, whereas the same acre of land used to grow soy beans will provide 17 pounds of protein. Who is selfish here? "As far as we can discern, the sole purpose of human existence is to kindle a light of meaning in the darkness of mere being" Carl Jung |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 526783 United States 02/02/2009 07:09 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Can you honestly say an animal has more right to life than a plant? Quoting: mirabilisCan you honestly say that you have more right to life than an animal? well go take a walk in a jungle or river bank with crocs and ask them if its immorale to take a person for a meal. I dont think anyone can take the morale high ground on this, Think of how many wild animals are displaced and killed to clear land for veggies to be planted, and how many are trapped and killed so they wont eat those veggies so you vegans are responsible for tose lifes ou know. No different then me sitting down eating a nice big thick medium rare rib steak and bakedtater. Every choice has consequences its a fact of life, but to force your choice on others is wrong. |
mirabilis
User ID: 603552 United Kingdom 02/02/2009 07:14 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | well go take a walk in a jungle or river bank with crocs and ask them if its immorale to take a person for a meal. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 526783I dont think anyone can take the morale high ground on this, Think of how many wild animals are displaced and killed to clear land for veggies to be planted, and how many are trapped and killed so they wont eat those veggies so you vegans are responsible for tose lifes ou know. No different then me sitting down eating a nice big thick medium rare rib steak and bakedtater. Every choice has consequences its a fact of life, but to force your choice on others is wrong. Who's forcing? I'm answering the moral question that Hannibal posited at the beginning of the thread. I have made it plain that it is my moral choice, but obviously I believe that it is a superior moral choice or I wouldn't make it - who follows what they believe to be an inferior moral choice? As far as the ground being cleared to grow food - see my above post please. I'm personally not a vegan - I make a distinction between animals being killed for food and animals being used to produce food - a distinction that obviously vegans do not agree with and I respect their reasons for believing that. "As far as we can discern, the sole purpose of human existence is to kindle a light of meaning in the darkness of mere being" Carl Jung |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 479131 Canada 02/02/2009 07:16 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Do you know how bourgeois and selfish and self centered a person is who has emotional food "preferences.? Quoting: mirabilisDo you know how many people in the world have no choice? Do you know what you are saying about people that got us to this point without the luxury of "choosing." They had to survive on what there was - you hypocritical spoiled bastards. Do you know what you are saying about Inuit lifestyles and others who cannot order up their food from another country - you hypocritical bourgeois and selfish bastards. (at what cost to the planet I might add!!!!!!! transporation - polution) so you can indulge your freaky ideas.) Do you know what happens when everyone goes bourgeois and selfish with their personal preference, those food animals go extinct right away... why keep them around? Do you know who subsidizes your selfish freakish habits? - meat eaters. Morality... Yes, it is better to treat all food with the greatest of care and respect. That has nothing to do with the issue. That is another issue. At the end of the day "every animate creature" is food... including YOU. That is the reality of being an earth creature. You vegitoids make me puke - carrot bits. Do you know that everyone in the world could be fed with ease if we didn't dedicate a disproportionate percentage of land and water to raising animals? I believe the amounts involved are something like 1 acre of land that is used to raise cattle will produce 1 pound of protein, whereas the same acre of land used to grow soy beans will provide 17 pounds of protein. Who is selfish here? Have you ever had to shift for yourself - in a real world - in winter, where do you think all food comes from - it is all the same what you eat at the molecular level. Forests are being mowed down to plant your stinking fodder. specie are going extinct, unless they are useful - as food. Get a grip. You can have your preference because it is served to you. Do you sit on a silk cushion and ring a little bell? Dead weight! |
mirabilis
User ID: 603552 United Kingdom 02/02/2009 07:18 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Have you ever had to shift for yourself - in a real world - in winter, where do you think all food comes from - it is all the same what you eat at the molecular level. Forests are being mowed down to plant your stinking fodder. specie are going extinct, unless they are useful - as food. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 479131Get a grip. You can have your preference because it is served to you. Do you sit on a silk cushion and ring a little bell? Dead weight! Lol, I live on a farm - where do you live? Most forestry that is being destroyed in the world is being destroyed for grazing for cattle, not to grow arable crops. Now about that silk cushion - let me tell you about the plight of silk worms... lol "As far as we can discern, the sole purpose of human existence is to kindle a light of meaning in the darkness of mere being" Carl Jung |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 466070 United States 02/02/2009 07:19 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | You fail to question the ethics of the treatment of the animals. Quoting: HannibalTheCannibalI dont care. Cruel maybe. Nessesary, probably. Right or wrong, i have no idea, how do you define right and wrong. All i care about is my own survival, anything else is unimportant unless it makes my survival easier. Ridiculous. Right and wrong are universal. Let one of your family members get raped in front of you. Right or wrong. Heck, who cares!!! |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 466070 United States 02/02/2009 07:20 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Have you ever had to shift for yourself - in a real world - in winter, where do you think all food comes from - it is all the same what you eat at the molecular level. Forests are being mowed down to plant your stinking fodder. specie are going extinct, unless they are useful - as food. Quoting: mirabilisGet a grip. You can have your preference because it is served to you. Do you sit on a silk cushion and ring a little bell? Dead weight! Lol, I live on a farm - where do you live? Most forestry that is being destroyed in the world is being destroyed for grazing for cattle, not to grow arable crops. Now about that silk cushion - let me tell you about the plight of silk worms... lol He probably sits in a basement eating Cheetos or in a shitty apartment working his lower middle class job. It's pathetic. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 526783 United States 02/02/2009 07:21 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | well go take a walk in a jungle or river bank with crocs and ask them if its immorale to take a person for a meal. Quoting: mirabilisI dont think anyone can take the morale high ground on this, Think of how many wild animals are displaced and killed to clear land for veggies to be planted, and how many are trapped and killed so they wont eat those veggies so you vegans are responsible for tose lifes ou know. No different then me sitting down eating a nice big thick medium rare rib steak and bakedtater. Every choice has consequences its a fact of life, but to force your choice on others is wrong. Who's forcing? I'm answering the moral question that Hannibal posited at the beginning of the thread. I have made it plain that it is my moral choice, but obviously I believe that it is a superior moral choice or I wouldn't make it - who follows what they believe to be an inferior moral choice? As far as the ground being cleared to grow food - see my above post please. I'm personally not a vegan - I make a distinction between animals being killed for food and animals being used to produce food - a distinction that obviously vegans do not agree with and I respect their reasons for believing that. I read it and I dont think a cattle rancher would kill rabbits and skunks or any other animal on his pasture land.any other animal that wont harm the live stock. But agriculture farming has no choice but to elimate those animals because they eat the crop. But go ahead and feel like you have morale highground next time you eat a big bowl of salad think of all the land cleared for it and it is a hell of a lot more then 1 acre and dont forget all the fertilizer used and pesticides etc. and tons of irrigation. |
mirabilis
User ID: 603552 United Kingdom 02/02/2009 07:26 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I read it and I dont think a cattle rancher would kill rabbits and skunks or any other animal on his pasture land.any other animal that wont harm the live stock. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 526783But agriculture farming has no choice but to elimate those animals because they eat the crop. But go ahead and feel like you have morale highground next time you eat a big bowl of salad think of all the land cleared for it and it is a hell of a lot more then 1 acre and dont forget all the fertilizer used and pesticides etc. and tons of irrigation. Well, cattle farmers in the UK certainly kill badgers when they think that they can get away with it because of the (possible) TB connection. As I have put on record on here many times I use mostly organic veg so I don't feel that I am personally supporting the use of pesticides or artificial fertilisers. Irrigation is not really an issue here either. I don't doubt that many creatures meet their deaths as a result of arable farming but as I have stated earlier, it is the difference between manslaughter and murder. "As far as we can discern, the sole purpose of human existence is to kindle a light of meaning in the darkness of mere being" Carl Jung |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 466070 United States 02/02/2009 07:36 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | well go take a walk in a jungle or river bank with crocs and ask them if its immorale to take a person for a meal. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 526783I dont think anyone can take the morale high ground on this, Think of how many wild animals are displaced and killed to clear land for veggies to be planted, and how many are trapped and killed so they wont eat those veggies so you vegans are responsible for tose lifes ou know. No different then me sitting down eating a nice big thick medium rare rib steak and bakedtater. Every choice has consequences its a fact of life, but to force your choice on others is wrong. Who's forcing? I'm answering the moral question that Hannibal posited at the beginning of the thread. I have made it plain that it is my moral choice, but obviously I believe that it is a superior moral choice or I wouldn't make it - who follows what they believe to be an inferior moral choice? As far as the ground being cleared to grow food - see my above post please. I'm personally not a vegan - I make a distinction between animals being killed for food and animals being used to produce food - a distinction that obviously vegans do not agree with and I respect their reasons for believing that. I read it and I dont think a cattle rancher would kill rabbits and skunks or any other animal on his pasture land.any other animal that wont harm the live stock. But agriculture farming has no choice but to elimate those animals because they eat the crop. But go ahead and feel like you have morale highground next time you eat a big bowl of salad think of all the land cleared for it and it is a hell of a lot more then 1 acre and dont forget all the fertilizer used and pesticides etc. and tons of irrigation. You're kidding right? Cattle herders kill Prairie dogs with shotguns out their windows. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 526783 United States 02/02/2009 07:37 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Well as the thread has gone quiet I'll take the chance to say goodnight and leave the argument until tomorrow. Quoting: mirabilisHave a good one,no need to argue I love veggies but they taste better cooked with bacon and served on the side of some nicely cooked beef. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 577684 United States 02/02/2009 07:38 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I did not go vegetarian thinking the whole world will suddenly become a better place, but if each person takes responsibility than maybe the whole world will. Until that time, I will continue to do my personal best. ps. I also try to be kind, I recycle, I use the last little sliver of bar soap, and I compost. It's just one step at a time, ya know? |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 526783 United States 02/02/2009 07:40 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | well go take a walk in a jungle or river bank with crocs and ask them if its immorale to take a person for a meal. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 466070I dont think anyone can take the morale high ground on this, Think of how many wild animals are displaced and killed to clear land for veggies to be planted, and how many are trapped and killed so they wont eat those veggies so you vegans are responsible for tose lifes ou know. No different then me sitting down eating a nice big thick medium rare rib steak and bakedtater. Every choice has consequences its a fact of life, but to force your choice on others is wrong. Who's forcing? I'm answering the moral question that Hannibal posited at the beginning of the thread. I have made it plain that it is my moral choice, but obviously I believe that it is a superior moral choice or I wouldn't make it - who follows what they believe to be an inferior moral choice? As far as the ground being cleared to grow food - see my above post please. I'm personally not a vegan - I make a distinction between animals being killed for food and animals being used to produce food - a distinction that obviously vegans do not agree with and I respect their reasons for believing that. I read it and I dont think a cattle rancher would kill rabbits and skunks or any other animal on his pasture land.any other animal that wont harm the live stock. But agriculture farming has no choice but to elimate those animals because they eat the crop. But go ahead and feel like you have morale highground next time you eat a big bowl of salad think of all the land cleared for it and it is a hell of a lot more then 1 acre and dont forget all the fertilizer used and pesticides etc. and tons of irrigation. You're kidding right? Cattle herders kill Prairie dogs with shotguns out their windows. Do you know why they kill them? wouldnt have aything to do with there tunnels and the cattle breaking legs walking over them would it? |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 606455 United Kingdom 02/02/2009 07:50 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I'm a vegetarian for my own reasons, and I'm curious why we in particular make you so angry? I usually see no reason to tell others I am vegetarian, and I would never dream of forcing my beliefs upon others - when I go out with people I just order the vegetarian option, and not a word is said about it, ever! I can understand if it's the pushy, lecturing type that get on your nerves, but I'm sure you know you get those sorts within every group of people? As usual, the vocal minority causes all the dislike for a group of people, sigh. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 466070 United States 02/02/2009 07:52 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | well go take a walk in a jungle or river bank with crocs and ask them if its immorale to take a person for a meal. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 526783I dont think anyone can take the morale high ground on this, Think of how many wild animals are displaced and killed to clear land for veggies to be planted, and how many are trapped and killed so they wont eat those veggies so you vegans are responsible for tose lifes ou know. No different then me sitting down eating a nice big thick medium rare rib steak and bakedtater. Every choice has consequences its a fact of life, but to force your choice on others is wrong. Who's forcing? I'm answering the moral question that Hannibal posited at the beginning of the thread. I have made it plain that it is my moral choice, but obviously I believe that it is a superior moral choice or I wouldn't make it - who follows what they believe to be an inferior moral choice? As far as the ground being cleared to grow food - see my above post please. I'm personally not a vegan - I make a distinction between animals being killed for food and animals being used to produce food - a distinction that obviously vegans do not agree with and I respect their reasons for believing that. I read it and I dont think a cattle rancher would kill rabbits and skunks or any other animal on his pasture land.any other animal that wont harm the live stock. But agriculture farming has no choice but to elimate those animals because they eat the crop. But go ahead and feel like you have morale highground next time you eat a big bowl of salad think of all the land cleared for it and it is a hell of a lot more then 1 acre and dont forget all the fertilizer used and pesticides etc. and tons of irrigation. You're kidding right? Cattle herders kill Prairie dogs with shotguns out their windows. Do you know why they kill them? wouldnt have aything to do with there tunnels and the cattle breaking legs walking over them would it? Well, that puts your statement of: I read it and I dont think a cattle rancher would kill rabbits and skunks or any other animal on his pasture land. to rest. You're clearly wrong. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 563711 Canada 02/02/2009 07:53 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Vegetarians have higher ethics than carcass-eaters. Quoting: Anonymous CowardWhat an incredible egotistical statement! I am a vegan but it's comments like that that paint us all with a holier-than-thou art attitude! I made a choice but I also chose to respect the choice of others and not to judge them for it. I know a lot of meat eaters whose ethics I aspire to raise myself to. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 526783 United States 02/02/2009 07:56 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | well go take a walk in a jungle or river bank with crocs and ask them if its immorale to take a person for a meal. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 466070I dont think anyone can take the morale high ground on this, Think of how many wild animals are displaced and killed to clear land for veggies to be planted, and how many are trapped and killed so they wont eat those veggies so you vegans are responsible for tose lifes ou know. No different then me sitting down eating a nice big thick medium rare rib steak and bakedtater. Every choice has consequences its a fact of life, but to force your choice on others is wrong. Who's forcing? I'm answering the moral question that Hannibal posited at the beginning of the thread. I have made it plain that it is my moral choice, but obviously I believe that it is a superior moral choice or I wouldn't make it - who follows what they believe to be an inferior moral choice? As far as the ground being cleared to grow food - see my above post please. I'm personally not a vegan - I make a distinction between animals being killed for food and animals being used to produce food - a distinction that obviously vegans do not agree with and I respect their reasons for believing that. I read it and I dont think a cattle rancher would kill rabbits and skunks or any other animal on his pasture land.any other animal that wont harm the live stock. But agriculture farming has no choice but to elimate those animals because they eat the crop. But go ahead and feel like you have morale highground next time you eat a big bowl of salad think of all the land cleared for it and it is a hell of a lot more then 1 acre and dont forget all the fertilizer used and pesticides etc. and tons of irrigation. You're kidding right? Cattle herders kill Prairie dogs with shotguns out their windows. Do you know why they kill them? wouldnt have aything to do with there tunnels and the cattle breaking legs walking over them would it? Well, that puts your statement of: I read it and I dont think a cattle rancher would kill rabbits and skunks or any other animal on his pasture land. to rest. You're clearly wrong. Maybe you should read it again slowly It clearly says they wouldnt kill and anima that does not harm there live stock. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 466070 United States 02/02/2009 07:57 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | well go take a walk in a jungle or river bank with crocs and ask them if its immorale to take a person for a meal. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 526783I dont think anyone can take the morale high ground on this, Think of how many wild animals are displaced and killed to clear land for veggies to be planted, and how many are trapped and killed so they wont eat those veggies so you vegans are responsible for tose lifes ou know. No different then me sitting down eating a nice big thick medium rare rib steak and bakedtater. Every choice has consequences its a fact of life, but to force your choice on others is wrong. Who's forcing? I'm answering the moral question that Hannibal posited at the beginning of the thread. I have made it plain that it is my moral choice, but obviously I believe that it is a superior moral choice or I wouldn't make it - who follows what they believe to be an inferior moral choice? As far as the ground being cleared to grow food - see my above post please. I'm personally not a vegan - I make a distinction between animals being killed for food and animals being used to produce food - a distinction that obviously vegans do not agree with and I respect their reasons for believing that. I read it and I dont think a cattle rancher would kill rabbits and skunks or any other animal on his pasture land.any other animal that wont harm the live stock. But agriculture farming has no choice but to elimate those animals because they eat the crop. But go ahead and feel like you have morale highground next time you eat a big bowl of salad think of all the land cleared for it and it is a hell of a lot more then 1 acre and dont forget all the fertilizer used and pesticides etc. and tons of irrigation. You're kidding right? Cattle herders kill Prairie dogs with shotguns out their windows. Do you know why they kill them? wouldnt have aything to do with there tunnels and the cattle breaking legs walking over them would it? Well, that puts your statement of: I read it and I dont think a cattle rancher would kill rabbits and skunks or any other animal on his pasture land. to rest. You're clearly wrong. Maybe you should read it again slowly It clearly says they wouldnt kill and anima that does not harm there live stock. You understand how punctuation works, correct? |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 479131 Canada 02/02/2009 08:02 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I'm a vegetarian for my own reasons, and I'm curious why we in particular make you so angry? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 606455You are right... It is only when ANY sanctimonious bastard starts to preach... about anything that upsets people. What you eat no one cares about. I just hope you always have the luxury of choice. If not at some point... lets talk then. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 526783 United States 02/02/2009 08:09 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | well go take a walk in a jungle or river bank with crocs and ask them if its immorale to take a person for a meal. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 466070I dont think anyone can take the morale high ground on this, Think of how many wild animals are displaced and killed to clear land for veggies to be planted, and how many are trapped and killed so they wont eat those veggies so you vegans are responsible for tose lifes ou know. No different then me sitting down eating a nice big thick medium rare rib steak and bakedtater. Every choice has consequences its a fact of life, but to force your choice on others is wrong. Who's forcing? I'm answering the moral question that Hannibal posited at the beginning of the thread. I have made it plain that it is my moral choice, but obviously I believe that it is a superior moral choice or I wouldn't make it - who follows what they believe to be an inferior moral choice? As far as the ground being cleared to grow food - see my above post please. I'm personally not a vegan - I make a distinction between animals being killed for food and animals being used to produce food - a distinction that obviously vegans do not agree with and I respect their reasons for believing that. I read it and I dont think a cattle rancher would kill rabbits and skunks or any other animal on his pasture land.any other animal that wont harm the live stock. But agriculture farming has no choice but to elimate those animals because they eat the crop. But go ahead and feel like you have morale highground next time you eat a big bowl of salad think of all the land cleared for it and it is a hell of a lot more then 1 acre and dont forget all the fertilizer used and pesticides etc. and tons of irrigation. You're kidding right? Cattle herders kill Prairie dogs with shotguns out their windows. Do you know why they kill them? wouldnt have aything to do with there tunnels and the cattle breaking legs walking over them would it? Well, that puts your statement of: I read it and I dont think a cattle rancher would kill rabbits and skunks or any other animal on his pasture land. to rest. You're clearly wrong. Maybe you should read it again slowly It clearly says they wouldnt kill and anima that does not harm there live stock. You understand how punctuation works, correct? Ahh I see because you dont read the whole post its my punctuation? Whatever have a nie day. |