Add to the homeless count >>Nursing homes forcing out residents, elderly are facing eviction | |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 475663 United States 02/07/2009 02:44 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I knew this was coming! Ever since gas and food prices skyrocketed, I knew it was going to cost a lot more for those homes. My dad was in one for his last year, three years ago, and when he got incontinent, the cost went up to $4400 a month. I think Obamadrama will let them give cyanide capsules to the elderly, because, even those with that high priced ins. will not be able to afford to stay in a good (and yes, there are some good ones) home. Unless he is preparing those FEMA camps to house them. We thought we had saved enough to take care of ourselves in old age (almost 70 yrs now), but the investments we had made have lost about 45% so far. Husband has a long term neurological disease, and I am not sure how much longer I will be able to take care of him at home. If the government will pass out those pills, I would be willing to take one if I became unable to stay in my home, and take care of myself. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 609767 United States 02/07/2009 02:57 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | This society needs to change. The problem would not exist if families were closer and elderly parents were kept at home and cared for by the younger family members. Not too much to do for those who cared for us, fed us, clothed us, housed us, when we were to young to care for ourselves. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 609802 India 02/07/2009 02:57 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | This society needs to change. The problem would not exist if families were closer and elderly parents were kept at home and cared for by the younger family members. Not too much to do for those who cared for us, fed us, clothed us, housed us, when we were to young to care for ourselves. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 609767 |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 609802 India 02/07/2009 03:09 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | This society needs to change. The problem would not exist if families were closer and elderly parents were kept at home and cared for by the younger family members. Not too much to do for those who cared for us, fed us, clothed us, housed us, when we were to young to care for ourselves. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 609767This is an ideal thought but is not often possible. My husband and I both work and our children are too young to take care of an older person. My mother-in-law would be in danger of hurting hurself or burning down the house if we left her here alone during the day. She has advanced dementia and it is simply not possible to have her living with us. We looked around and found a lovely assisted living facility in a house in a residential neighborhood. We pay $750/month, which covers everything. There are five other residents in the house and two full-time live-in caregivers. We show up often and at unpredictable times and my mother-in-law is always clean, well fed and well cared for. The ALF is state licensed and the owner has never had any complaints filed against her. They take care of everything. The doctor even comes to the house to see the residents so that they do not have to endure the stress of transportation and crowded waiting rooms. We are very fortunate to have found this situation, but this should be the norm, not the exception. I cannot fathom why the typical ALF should charge $3,000+ per month and a nursing home $6,000+ per month. Nursing home care is quite substandard to the care my mother-in-law is currently receiving at a fraction of the price. I think the answer must be that most nursing homes and ALFs are big, bloated, inefficient bureaucracies. I think more small, privately owned assisted living facilities could be a solution to this huge problem. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 609767 United States 02/07/2009 03:20 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | This society needs to change. The problem would not exist if families were closer and elderly parents were kept at home and cared for by the younger family members. Not too much to do for those who cared for us, fed us, clothed us, housed us, when we were to young to care for ourselves. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 609802This is an ideal thought but is not often possible. My husband and I both work and our children are too young to take care of an older person. My mother-in-law would be in danger of hurting hurself or burning down the house if we left her here alone during the day. She has advanced dementia and it is simply not possible to have her living with us. We looked around and found a lovely assisted living facility in a house in a residential neighborhood. We pay $750/month, which covers everything. There are five other residents in the house and two full-time live-in caregivers. We show up often and at unpredictable times and my mother-in-law is always clean, well fed and well cared for. The ALF is state licensed and the owner has never had any complaints filed against her. They take care of everything. The doctor even comes to the house to see the residents so that they do not have to endure the stress of transportation and crowded waiting rooms. We are very fortunate to have found this situation, but this should be the norm, not the exception. I cannot fathom why the typical ALF should charge $3,000+ per month and a nursing home $6,000+ per month. Nursing home care is quite substandard to the care my mother-in-law is currently receiving at a fraction of the price. I think the answer must be that most nursing homes and ALFs are big, bloated, inefficient bureaucracies. I think more small, privately owned assisted living facilities could be a solution to this huge problem. It may be an ideal thought but it is also reality for some families. Too bad that both you and your husband need to work. Your children are also missing out. The family structure is crumbling in this country and the country along with it. What a mess! |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 422489 United States 02/07/2009 03:32 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | This society needs to change. The problem would not exist if families were closer and elderly parents were kept at home and cared for by the younger family members. Not too much to do for those who cared for us, fed us, clothed us, housed us, when we were to young to care for ourselves. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 609802This is an ideal thought but is not often possible. My husband and I both work and our children are too young to take care of an older person. My mother-in-law would be in danger of hurting hurself or burning down the house if we left her here alone during the day. She has advanced dementia and it is simply not possible to have her living with us. We looked around and found a lovely assisted living facility in a house in a residential neighborhood. We pay $750/month, which covers everything. There are five other residents in the house and two full-time live-in caregivers. We show up often and at unpredictable times and my mother-in-law is always clean, well fed and well cared for. The ALF is state licensed and the owner has never had any complaints filed against her. They take care of everything. The doctor even comes to the house to see the residents so that they do not have to endure the stress of transportation and crowded waiting rooms. We are very fortunate to have found this situation, but this should be the norm, not the exception. I cannot fathom why the typical ALF should charge $3,000+ per month and a nursing home $6,000+ per month. Nursing home care is quite substandard to the care my mother-in-law is currently receiving at a fraction of the price. I think the answer must be that most nursing homes and ALFs are big, bloated, inefficient bureaucracies. I think more small, privately owned assisted living facilities could be a solution to this huge problem. Here's a thought, for those losing their home to foreclosure see if you cannot help home someone that needs the care. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 582017 United States 02/07/2009 03:40 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | This is so sad to be happening to our elderly. I have said before and say again "Keep your faith strong and your families close" the times are coming to really test our endurance towards the changing policies of this new society we live in. |
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Phennommennonn
(OP) Forum Administrator User ID: 581503 United States 02/07/2009 05:26 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | This society needs to change. The problem would not exist if families were closer and elderly parents were kept at home and cared for by the younger family members. Not too much to do for those who cared for us, fed us, clothed us, housed us, when we were to young to care for ourselves. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 609767thats over simplifying things a bit here. many ppl arent financially stable, nor medically trained, to include emotionally apt to handle caring for someone who is incapacitated. most families are 2 income - who will be home to do the caring? the kids? my grandmother had Alzheimer's, she always lived with her kids. when she got bad (violent) my aunt J from NJ couldnt do it anymore, none of the 5 sisters wanted to put nanny in a nursing home. my father the only son, knew they couldnt handle it. nanny ended up going to NC to aunt P's. nanny was uncontrollable. now shes sent back north to pa where my dad and aunt M live. nanny goes to live with aunt M. one night approx 3 weeks after moving in - nanny during the night went to attack her own daughter while she slept. my father pulled an override on his sisters and had nanny in a nursing home within a few days. in many cases sure - it could work, but an aging elderly parent can prove to be a medical necessity in most cases where these homes can provide such. for them to 'evict' them is where medicare needs to act. political correctness is a doctrine.... fostered by a delusional, illogical minority...... and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media; which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 609394 United States 02/07/2009 05:27 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Even elderly are facing eviction Quoting: PhennommennonnIndustry representatives deny that "dumping" occurs and say homes are diligent in taking only residents they can care for. They attribute the rise in discharge complaints to a younger, more vocal generation now living in homes. "This urban myth that people are getting kicked out all the time -- there's no evidence of that," said Gary Weeks, executive director of the Washington Health Care Association, a group of 400 nursing and boarding homes. Always trust an industry representative to tell you the truth. Right? No urban myth, this. I see many of the discharge letters from facilities in my state. I also get far too many of the frantic phone calls from residents or their family members. "They" say they do not really discharge to the street; interpret that to mean they discharge to a homeless shelter, instead, if a shelter will accept the resident. However, a homeless shelter is not set up for someone with medical issues. All of this is known on all sides. If they wind up in a hospital, then the hospital may well discharge the elder to the sidewalk. Have a nice day.... Transfer of assets. Bottom line. Profit margin. Remember the nursing home industry WILL makes its money. It is not really about humans on that level. God bless the ombudsmen. |
Jackinthebox
User ID: 602033 United States 02/07/2009 05:31 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | This is so fucking messed up. Starred Phe. When the Lamb opened the third seal, I heard the third living creature say, "Come!" I looked, and there before me was a black horse! Its rider was holding a pair of scales in his hand. Then I heard what sounded like a voice among the four living creatures, saying, "A quart of wheat for a day's wages, and three quarts of barley for a day's wages, and do not damage the oil and the wine!" -Revelation 6:5, 6:6 |
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mopar28m
User ID: 609709 United States 02/07/2009 05:42 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | How many people here have the ability to take in an aging, care-requiring parent? Quoting: markusmaximusMy grandfather had a stroke when I was 9. The Dr. told my grandmother that we should put him in a nursing home. She refused, there was NO way we could pay for it. So, between her & I we took care of him for another 4 years until he died of a combination of 4 strokes & 1 heart attack inside of a 24 hour period. When my grandmother needed to go to a nursing home, I offered her a room in my home. Its the warmest in the winter & the coolest in the summer. She wouldn't move because she didn't want to change Dr.'s. Our parents/grandparents took care of us when we were young, it is our turn when they need care. Children who send their parents/grandparents to a nursing home are selfish individuals. People who go there are only waiting to die, not to live. vaccinefreehealth blogspot com The risk far outweighs any benefit as the risk will vary from child to child. facebook.com/graphixyourway |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 609928 United States 02/07/2009 05:48 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | This society needs to change. The problem would not exist if families were closer and elderly parents were kept at home and cared for by the younger family members. Not too much to do for those who cared for us, fed us, clothed us, housed us, when we were to young to care for ourselves. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 609767We have a very sick society that is focused on materialism and consumption, cheerled by the criminal corporate media cartel who shapes the society. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 354026 United States 02/07/2009 08:38 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | If YOU can't afford 6000 a month to put your dad in a facilty, how is it that the Govt could afford it when the Govt gets all its noney from YOU and EVERYONE has parents... this makes no sense.... and now that ALL investments have failed it is UNSUSTAINABLE... soon millions will be put out! |
Phennommennonn
(OP) Forum Administrator User ID: 581503 United States 02/07/2009 08:42 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | If YOU can't afford 6000 a month to put your dad in a facilty, how is it that the Govt could afford it when the Govt gets all its noney from YOU and EVERYONE has parents... this makes no sense.... and now that ALL investments have failed it is UNSUSTAINABLE... soon millions will be put out! Quoting: Anonymous Coward 354026in all due respect here, this is somehow our fault? we have no choice but to pay taxes - so they collect. they LOOTED the system, drained it like a stopped up kitchen sink, and ran like pantyhose when they knew we were close to finding out. political correctness is a doctrine.... fostered by a delusional, illogical minority...... and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media; which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 609394 United States 02/07/2009 08:51 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | How many people here have the ability to take in an aging, care-requiring parent? Quoting: mopar28mMy grandfather had a stroke when I was 9. The Dr. told my grandmother that we should put him in a nursing home. She refused, there was NO way we could pay for it. So, between her & I we took care of him for another 4 years until he died of a combination of 4 strokes & 1 heart attack inside of a 24 hour period. When my grandmother needed to go to a nursing home, I offered her a room in my home. Its the warmest in the winter & the coolest in the summer. She wouldn't move because she didn't want to change Dr.'s. Our parents/grandparents took care of us when we were young, it is our turn when they need care. Children who send their parents/grandparents to a nursing home are selfish individuals. People who go there are only waiting to die, not to live. You are right. You are right. You are right. Both of my parents were taken care of at home and passed away at home. My child loved his grandma and would spend hours sitting with her, and they would talk. As an adult now, he will spend time talking to the elderly he runs into, listening to their stories, gathering their history. He thinks that young people who just want the old farts to die are really missing the boat. Yes, it was difficult to do; but they were there for me when I needed them. There are services, often covered by Medicare or Medicaid, to help. But what is happening in the elder care industry is often reprehensible and, unfortunately, reflects values within the general society. What one does not value, one will pillage then toss. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 609394 United States 02/07/2009 09:04 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Oh, and if anyone is thinking of keeping their own elders at home, look for a book called "But I Don't Want Elder Care" (I think is the title). I do know it is by a guy named Terry Lynch. Useful book. Also, be really careful in choosing home health care or respite services. Some are really good and some not so much. Also learn what the elders' Medicare or Medicaid or private insurance will pay for. If they have to go to a facility, please don't drop them like unwanted laundry. Be there for them. Often and unpredictably, be there. Know who is tending to them and what is being done for and to them. When I was a teenager, my parents and relatives pulled my grandmother out of a nursing home. She was being beaten (she was bed-ridden from a stroke and couldn't speak sensibly much at all). I thought it was wierd that she was always lying on the same side, even at my age. One visit, she managed to convey to me that she wanted to show me something and kept trying to point to the side of her body that was down. I turned her enough to see some of the damage and screamed. My mother went ballistic. After the police, the complaints and grievances, the denials, and the claims that my grandmother was violent (impossible) and had hurt herself or they had had to subdue her...the nursing home kept chugging along. My grandmother went home with us. And the staff had seemed so sweet all along. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 609394 United States 02/07/2009 09:04 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Oh, and if anyone is thinking of keeping their own elders at home, look for a book called "But I Don't Want Elder Care" (I think is the title). I do know it is by a guy named Terry Lynch. Useful book. Also, be really careful in choosing home health care or respite services. Some are really good and some not so much. Also learn what the elders' Medicare or Medicaid or private insurance will pay for. If they have to go to a facility, please don't drop them like unwanted laundry. Be there for them. Often and unpredictably, be there. Know who is tending to them and what is being done for and to them. When I was a teenager, my parents and relatives pulled my grandmother out of a nursing home. She was being beaten (she was bed-ridden from a stroke and couldn't speak sensibly much at all). I thought it was wierd that she was always lying on the same side, even at my age. One visit, she managed to convey to me that she wanted to show me something and kept trying to point to the side of her body that was down. I turned her enough to see some of the damage and screamed. My mother went ballistic. After the police, the complaints and grievances, the denials, and the claims that my grandmother was violent (impossible) and had hurt herself or they had had to subdue her...the nursing home kept chugging along. My grandmother went home with us. And the staff had seemed so sweet all along. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 609394 United States 02/07/2009 09:04 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Oh, and if anyone is thinking of keeping their own elders at home, look for a book called "But I Don't Want Elder Care" (I think is the title). I do know it is by a guy named Terry Lynch. Useful book. Also, be really careful in choosing home health care or respite services. Some are really good and some not so much. Also learn what the elders' Medicare or Medicaid or private insurance will pay for. If they have to go to a facility, please don't drop them like unwanted laundry. Be there for them. Often and unpredictably, be there. Know who is tending to them and what is being done for and to them. When I was a teenager, my parents and relatives pulled my grandmother out of a nursing home. She was being beaten (she was bed-ridden from a stroke and couldn't speak sensibly much at all). I thought it was wierd that she was always lying on the same side, even at my age. One visit, she managed to convey to me that she wanted to show me something and kept trying to point to the side of her body that was down. I turned her enough to see some of the damage and screamed. My mother went ballistic. After the police, the complaints and grievances, the denials, and the claims that my grandmother was violent (impossible) and had hurt herself or they had had to subdue her...the nursing home kept chugging along. My grandmother went home with us. And the staff had seemed so sweet all along. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 609434 United States 02/07/2009 09:22 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | 2000 a month ? 5000 a month ? damn warehousing the elderly and paying caregivers shit pay is extremely lucrative. O well the collapse of the factional banking system and fossil fuel crisis will solve this. back to the good old days when there were 35 workers for every retired person. |
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User ID: 254206 United States 02/07/2009 11:18 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I don't think they can just abandon them on the streets, but I could be wrong on that. I like the group home concept with a caretaker and visiting medical staff. That seems cost effective and is probably a lot better for most elderly people who need to be in an assisted living type arrangement. However, for those in need of medical care or who are fully bedridden, a nursing home seems to be the only option available. It is not a good option, but right now it is all we have. I hope that we start having more choices for later in life. Most families cannot care for someone who is in need of constant care. Insurance doesn't cover things like daily nursing care to give them some relief or time to go to work. And what care there is from home-health care workers is expensive. I know someone that was paying over 800 dollars a week for a live-in arrangement with different days and times off. That can add up quickly. And the nursing home insurance policies are difficult to work with, go out of business, and just like the health insurance find all sorts of reasons why they won't pay up. |
Phennommennonn
(OP) Forum Administrator User ID: 581503 United States 02/07/2009 11:44 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I think, legally, a nursing home has to find somewhere else for the person to go if they evict them for any reason. Quoting: anonanonI don't think they can just abandon them on the streets, but I could be wrong on that. I like the group home concept with a caretaker and visiting medical staff. That seems cost effective and is probably a lot better for most elderly people who need to be in an assisted living type arrangement. However, for those in need of medical care or who are fully bedridden, a nursing home seems to be the only option available. It is not a good option, but right now it is all we have. I hope that we start having more choices for later in life. Most families cannot care for someone who is in need of constant care. Insurance doesn't cover things like daily nursing care to give them some relief or time to go to work. And what care there is from home-health care workers is expensive. I know someone that was paying over 800 dollars a week for a live-in arrangement with different days and times off. That can add up quickly. And the nursing home insurance policies are difficult to work with, go out of business, and just like the health insurance find all sorts of reasons why they won't pay up. hey dont bet on it. political correctness is a doctrine.... fostered by a delusional, illogical minority...... and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media; which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 400833 United States 02/08/2009 12:00 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | At age 96 my mother put my grandmother in a nursing home. I went to visit her and this immaculately groomed woman smelled of urine and had dirty fingernails! I pulled grandma out immediately and moved her to my home. It took caregivers round the clock, visiting nurses, a doc who made house calls and grandma spent her last yet of life with those who dearly loved her. My daughter (her great grand daughter) would sit on the bed and look at grandma's clothing and jewels and handbags. Now she's 22 and in fashion design with Ralph Lauren in NYC. The "what is and is not tasteful" that Great Grandma taught her when she was 3 and 4 has stuck with her, inspired her to follow that course for her education and she is now telling the women and men of this nation what is and is not tasteful... according to her great grandmother! The outfits she's designed based on grandma's wardrobe now sell like hotcakes and my kid got a bonus check for over $250k last year from Mr. Lauren himself to thank her for her inspired designs that made the company a whole lot of money! Little does he know it came from those hours with her great grandmother all those years ago. Taking care of her was the greatest and most difficult thing I've ever done. If you have the chance to provide for the last years of a relative or friend who's nearing the end of their days - change what you must but do it if you possibly can. It will enrich your life in ways you'd never dream possible. How many people here have the ability to take in an aging, care-requiring parent? Quoting: markusmaximus |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 550942 United States 02/08/2009 04:59 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | This society needs to change. The problem would not exist if families were closer and elderly parents were kept at home and cared for by the younger family members. Not too much to do for those who cared for us, fed us, clothed us, housed us, when we were to young to care for ourselves. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 609767Ever cared for a dementia patient? You have no fucking clue as to what you are talking about. I nearly had a nervoud breakdown from lack of sleep and working 12 hour shifts, and then taking care of my mother in law who had dementia, was often violent and constantly shit and pissed everywhere except where she was supposed to. Know what it is like to do 3 loads of laundry every fucking day? Know what it is like to clean shit up off the kithcen floor, or change a shitty adult diaper? Know what it is like to do this for 5 years? I didnt think so, so take your little utopian dream and shove it up your asshole. |
JudgementComes User ID: 610242 Australia 02/08/2009 05:12 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | If medicaid has to pay 6000/month for every God damned old bastard, how long can the system stay afloat? Realistically, it is best to euthanise these old useless eaters. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 610234Your Destiny is assured,Godless one! |