Is this the Final Precursor to the "Mark of The Beast"?

People don´t have to comply, do they?

Zev,
The tribulation hasn´t even started so Jesus´ return can´t be 2 yrs. away.
The tribulation will last 3 1/2 yrs. With the heavenly signs being among the last 6 months or so.
There have been a lot of things happening in the sky lately.....

The temple needs to be rebuilt.
Jerusalem needs to be taken captive. (again)
The U.S. will be taken into captivity by the European Union. (concentration camps)

I believe you are off by a few years.

off by a few years or 40.

Mopar28,
This is where the comet comes in and this is why the temple has to be rebuilt etc....I feel this year or next we can expect something like the comet or ww111.

And after the annihilation of 1/3 of the population, a king of peace (much like Aragorn) will rise. The false prophet (See the Sanhedrin thread)will announce that he is the true heir of the throne of David.

hey...the trib alraedy came to my crib...and i have your beast right here between my legs

No one will know the exact time of the rapture.

for now ill keep my eyes on the sky and my heart open to his words.

bless you

strange ideas people get assembling scriptures of words not rightly divided...
the mark of the AUTHORity was the 7th CEASEing, changing that to The FIRST was the mark of mans´ ´vested´ authority with men over other men -serving for acceptance of others still.

You never knew the word GOD to say, so you overlook the seal of The approval, and look to see a false sign, while all along going with the SUNday worship crowd you´ve been marked

DCLXVI

Then, after ROMAn latin;
Mille

OP,
Not to discourage you, but I feel compelled to share with you why I think the RFID (the microchip in question) is not the mark of the beast.
Rev 13-17 ...and he provides that no one will be able to buy of sell except the one who has the mark, Either the NAME of the beast or the NUMBER of his name in conjunction with WORSHIP of the Beast.

A few historical views:

Isbon Beckwith, The Apocalypse of John, 1919


The mark is explained in v. 17 as consisting of the name of the Beast, or what is equivalent, the number of his name. . . it is set where it could not easily be hid, on the forehead or the right hand…the agreement of the number and the name is to be ascertained by the calculating the sum of the value of the letters which form the name. (Isbon Beckwith, The Apocalypse of John, 1919, p.641, 642)

Oliver Greene, The Revelation, Verse by Verse, 1963


Yes, I believe there will be three sixes tattooed on foreheads and right hands. . . indeed I do. I believe John 3:16. I believe God literally loved, literally gave, Jesus literally came and literally died. Why should I not believe the number of the Beast will be 666? (Oliver Greene, The Revelation, Verse by Verse, 1963, p. 350)


Terry Watkins, who has done a lot of study and research on the subject has come to the same conclusion as myself. On the page: [link to www.av1611.org]

What if I "innocently" take a debit card, credit card, a vaccine, smart-card, or a biochip and it turns out to be 666: The Mark of the Beast?

Every so often, someone contacts us inquiring if they take a social security card, debit card, smart card, vaccine, etc. could they "accidently" be receiving 666: The Mark of the Beast.

No. One can NOT "innocently" or "accidently" receive 666: The Mark of the Beast.

The Bible is clear — if someone receives 666: The Mark of the Beast — they will "drink of the wine of the wrath of God . . . be tormented with fire and brimstone . . . for ever and ever"!

Revelation 14:9-11 reads:
And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and RECEIVE his mark in his forehead, or in his hand,
The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb
And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name. Revelation 14:9-11
Whoever receives the mark of the beast — will "be tormented with fire and brimstone" BY GOD "for ever and ever"!

This begs the obvious question — is God going to "torment someone with fire and brimestone, for ever and ever" for innocently getting a credit card, debit card, smart card or even a micro-chip implant?

The Bible says in 1 John 4:16 — "God is LOVE"

"And we have known and believed the love that God hath to us. GOD IS LOVE; . . ." 1 John 4:16:
The Bible says in familiar John 3:16, "For God SO LOVED the world"

"For God SO LOVED the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life." John 3:16
The Bible says in Psalms 86:5, that God is "good, ready to forgive, and plenteous in mercy".

"For thou, Lord, art good, and ready to forgive; and PLENTEOUS IN MERCY unto all them that call upon thee." Psalms 86:5
In the "light" of these verses (and there are thousands just like them in the Word of God) — would a "God of LOVE", a God, "ready to FORGIVE, a God, "plenteous in MERCY" — "torment someone with fire and brimestone, for ever and ever" for innocently getting a credit card, debit card, smart card or even a micro-chip implant?

NO. Absolutely NOT. . . A thousand times — NEVER!

Notice again Revelation 14:9-11:

And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and RECEIVE his mark in his forehead, or in his hand,
The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb
And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name. Revelation 14:9-11
Notice what verse 9, says — "If any man WORSHIP the beast and his image, and RECEIVE his mark in his forehead, or in his hand" — WORSHIP the beast. . .

Again notice verse 11, "And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who WORSHIP the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name." — who WORSHIP the beast. . .

The mark of the beast is more than just receiving a "mark" — it´s a voluntary act of WORSHIP.

When someone receives the mark of the beast, they do so, willingly, knowing what they´re doing — worshipping the beast, or his image.

The mark of the beast is NOT just a credit card, a smart card, a biochip implant, or a mark — it is a sign of allegiance and WORSHIP of the beast or his image — and rejection of a holy God.

In Revelation 16:2, when the mark of the beast is mentioned, it includes worship:

"And the first went, and poured out his vial upon the earth; and there fell a noisome and grievous sore upon the men which had the mark of the beast, and upon them which worshipped his image." Revelation 16:2
Again Revelation 19:20, makes the connection to worship:

And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone. Revelation 19:20
In Revelation 20:4, worship is mentioned with the mark of the beast:

And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years. Revelation 20:4
Again, I repeat — The mark of the Beast is a sign of voluntary allegiance and WORSHIP of the beast or of his image.

Tim LaHaye and Jerry Jenkins, correctly write in their book, Are We Living in the End Times?:
"Concerned believers sometimes worry that they might somehow inadvertently receive this devilsh mark. But this is impossible. First, we should remember that our God is loving and merciful; He proved that forever in the gift of His Son. We should see Him as our heavenly Father who stands at the gate of heaven, letting men and women into His paradise, not trying to keep them out. It would be totally out of character for Him to send someone to hell for accidently standing in the wrong line and getting the mark of the Beast, when he really wanted the mark of the Father. Second, the aforementioned verses [Rev: 14:6-7] show that the mark is obtained only by those who sell their soul to the Beast and the devil who gives him his power. This involves a willful rejection of God — something a true Christian could never do. (Tim LaHaye and Jerry Jenkins, Are We Living in the End Times?, pp. 196,197 emphasis added)
Amen, amen and amen, Brother LaHaye and Brother Jenkins. Wonderfully said.

What´s really amazing. . . despite all the horror and terror of the tribulation, the people of the tribulation, still worship devils, blaspheme God and refuse to repent!

And men were scorched with great heat, and blasphemed the name of God, which hath power over these plagues: and they repented not to give him glory.
And the fifth angel poured out his vial upon the seat of the beast; and his kingdom was full of darkness; and they gnawed their tongues for pain,
And blasphemed the God of heaven because of their pains and their sores, and repented not of their deeds. Revelation 16:9-11
And the rest of the men which were not killed by these plagues yet repented not of the works of their hands, that they should not WORSHIP devils, and idols of gold, and silver, and brass, and stone, and of wood: which neither can see, nor hear, nor walk:
Neither repented they of their murders, nor of their sorceries, nor of their fornication, nor of their thefts. Revelation 9:20-12

I´m sure there´s some that´s reading this, that´s thinking, "I´ll wait till after the rapture, when millions of Christians suddenly disappear, and then I´ll KNOW the Bible is true and then I´ll get saved". "I´ll wait until I´m 100% SURE. Then I´ll get saved."

I´ve got some very important news — NO YOU WON´T!

For one reason: When the anti-Christ comes, people who ". . . received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. . ." FOR THIS CAUSE "God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie"

Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
And FOR THIS CAUSE God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness. 2 Thessalonians 2:11-12
That would apply to anyone who is reading this article after the rapture.

If you reject the Lord Jesus Christ NOW - ". . .because they RECEIVED NOT the love of the truth, that they might be saved.. . . they all might be damned who BELIEVED NOT the truth"

FOR THIS CAUSE (for not receiving or believing the Lord Jesus Christ) — ". . . God shall send them STRONG DELUSION, that they should believe a lie. . ."
If you continue to reject the Lord Jesus Christ, and you go into the tribulation — YOU WILL TAKE THE MARK OF THE BEAST and YOU WILL WORSHIP THE BEAST!

And you will be later cast into a lake of fire — FOR EVER!

AND IT WILL HAPPEN!

And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand, The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb: And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.
Revelation 14:9-11

For this reason, If Visa comes up with a smart RFID chip that can be used instead of a Credit Card, I would seriously consider it. I wouldnt worry about people tracking me because the RFID chip is powered by the scanning device and must be within 30 inches to pick it up. So, no satalites are going to follow you, and you wont go to Hell, unless "The Beast" demands you take it as a sign of loyalty and bow down and worship the beast.

Also, not to side step, If you convert Al Gore to ASCII and add it up, it =´s 666. ASCII isnt Hebrew but it is interesting.

Here is another great website for this discucion
[link to www.av1611.org]

bttt

Okay, beyond the ´mark of the beast bit´...

You really want to put a foreign object into your body!?! A piece of plastic and something that sends out signals? If it is bad to sit too near a telly or a computer, I hardly think having something like that IN your body is good for you.

No way am I going to be chipped. Nuh-uh, no way!

Docman you are spot on with this statement -
(The mark of the beast is NOT just a credit card, a smart card, a biochip implant, or a mark — it is a sign of allegiance and WORSHIP of the beast or his image — and rejection of a holy God.)

Nevertheless, the world is being desensitised to receiving the mark already now so that at the appropriate time, many will not even give it a second thought. Remember how when credit cards first came out, the banks were offering them to almost everyone - just sign on the dotted line! When was the last time you heard of someone being offered a credit increase without questions asked - just sign on the dotted line!

When the time comes, religion will have taken such a beating, (this has started long ago already), that many will have no concerns about accepting the offers of world peace at the expense of religion and giving their allegiance to the false bringer of peace! After all, ask anyone today and you will hear that it´s religion that has and is causing all the problems in the world!

It is truly amazing to see the prophecies unfolding!

They will start with compulsary id cards with rftags in them which you must carry at all times.

So do you guys really think, tbtb are going to make this great announcement that you are taking the mark of the beast? How foolish to think that, for how many would take it? So any mark/implant in the hand/arm/forehead is suspect to me. If this is not the "mark" is surely is the warning/precursor to it. We know what it is leading up to.

And besides, do you really know what all is in that chip? I read an email where a soldier was given the chip, and he felt like he was under control and not able to use his own mind.

We have been warned about taking a mark. I think we better listen.

I think you need to reread my post.

If you wanna play in the devils playground then you must abide by the rules.
Of course you could leave the playground and live a clean self sufficiant life in paradise.
Unfortunatly the devil has tricked us all and we like playing in his playground.

Id cards who wants them?

It´s time to become self sufficient eco warriors with no need for money or tax paying.

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"Mark" of the beast.Let´s play the word game. Without the Mark,you cannot buy or travel.

M´ark. Ark. A conveyance? Driver´s license? By law you must have some ID and up here only the driver´s license will do.
But it is not the Beast doing this to us.

To know what the mark of the beat is, one must first know who the beast is and what represents him. Watching commercials and see how many times you see the SUN and references to it. The mark of the beast is SUN- RA worship. It appears now, that many advertisers are showing their allegiance to Sun worship in their ads. The ancient babylon religion which is the mystery is now coming into the open.

I´m on the fence about the chip and think that´s a tad obvious for the devil. Besides, there´s no way they can humanly chip all the natives in distant lands. Do most religions worship on SUNday? There you go.

{hey up im from barnsley england}i diddnt know other people thought we were in the end ov times as well .you gotta admit the signs are all around uz.zev how were u SAVED as u call it.

I am sure those chips will allow people to track you like in Demolition Man. I am surprised how many people feel that their lives should be an open book. I would never get a Verichip implant!

I agree that the microchip is a warning sign and possibly the means the mark might be implemented....but don´t you think the actual mark of the beast will be administered at the cost of rejecting Christ? I feel that we are still quite a ways away from the US becoming a required anti-christian country. I doubt they are making these patients reject Christ in order to have the chip injected.

I can see it playing into the scenario later down the road though.

here we go again. imho, the mark of the beast is something you choose to receive. people tend to forget there is another mark also and that is the mark of God. (try really reading revelation).
those who do not have the mark of God, will of course choose to recieve the mark of the beast as they will want to eat, buy, sell, etc. personally i believe that God will "keep" His own to do His will.

Docman, i disagree with you a bit in that i think some will decide they have/had done wrong and will choose to cry out to God, and will be saved through their own blood as sacrifice (whether it be by beheading or other gory means of death). i think a good read of revelation will also back it up. true, during the trying times, man will curse God and blame Him for their troubles (much as they do now). some will wise up though.

:zkk_exanis:
:grndude: :grndude: :grndude:
:upyours: :upyours:

Along with the Iris scan, National ID/then biochip.

The eye is the window to your soul, plus the microchip contains a computer chip comprised of 18
111111=6
111111=6 ( 3 set´s of 6´s )
111111=6

Six hundred threescore and six.


Revelation 13-18
Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.


in your hand or arm, will be the same thing since the hebrew word is the same for both.

ANTS

666 is the magikal number of the Sun.
The Swastika symbolizes the Black Sun.
The Headwound is the fall of the Third Reich.
The Beast which is coming out of the Abyss and whose wound has been healed is the Fourth Reich.
The Fourth Reich officially began yesterday.
Soon you will be so hungry and desparate that you will take the Mark.