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Los Angeles – Generation Rescue, Jenny McCarthy and Jim Carrey’s Los Angeles-based non-profit autism organization, today announced that the United States Government has once again conceded that vaccines cause autism. The announcement comes on the heels of the recently unsealed court case of Bailey Banks vs. HHS. The ruling states, “The Court found that Bailey would not have suffered this delay but for the administration of the MMR vaccine…a proximate sequence of cause and effect leading inexorably from vaccination to PDD [Autism].”

In a curious and hypocritical method of operation, the mysterious Vaccine Court not only protects vaccine makers from liability but supports a policy that has tripled the number of vaccines given to U.S. children – all after being made aware of the fact that these vaccines do, in fact, cause autism and repeatedly ruling in favor of families with children hurt by their vaccines.

“It was heartbreaking to hear about Bailey’s story, but through this ruling we are gaining the proof we need to open the eyes of the world to the fact that vaccines do, in fact, cause autism,” said Jenny McCarthy, Hollywood actress, autism activist, best-selling author and Generation Rescue board member. “Bailey Banks’ regression into autism after vaccination is the same story I went through with my own son and the same story I have heard from thousands of mothers and fathers around the country. Our hope is that this ruling will influence decision and policy-makers to help the hundreds of thousands of children and families affected by this terrible condition.”

Banks vs. HHS is the second known case where the Vaccine Court could not deny the overwhelming evidence showing vaccines caused a child’s autism. The first was the case of Hannah Poling in March of 2008, where the court found in her favor and awarded her family compensation.

Jim Carrey, Hollywood legend and Generation Rescue board member, reacted to the news, “It seems the U.S. government is sending mixed messages by telling the world that vaccines don’t cause autism, while, at the same time, they are quietly managing a separate ‘vaccine court’ that is ruling in favor of affected families and finding that vaccines, in fact, were the cause. For most of the autism community the question is no longer whether vaccines caused of their child’s autism. The question is why is their government only promoting the rulings that are in favor of the vaccine companies.”

Why is a secret court, which no one knows about or understands, quietly paying these families for vaccine injuries and autism? Deirdre Imus, Generation Rescue board member and founder of the Deirdre Imus Environmental Center for Pediatric Oncology says, “Over the past 20 years, the vaccine court has dispensed close to $2 billion in compensation to families whose children were injured or killed by a vaccine. I am not against vaccines and my own child has been vaccinated. But, I share the growing concerns of many parents questioning the number of vaccines given to children today, some of the toxic ingredients in vaccines, and whether we know enough about the combination risks associated with the multiple vaccines given to children during critical developmental windows.”

To help spread the word of the Banks ruling, Generation Rescue also bought a full-page ad that will run in the USA Today on 02/25/2009, which has a daily circulation of 2,272,815.

Generation Rescue seeks to answer these questions and many more on a daily basis as they fight for the truth and to recover children with autism around the world. To learn more please visit www.generationrescue.org, write to [email protected]

About Generation Rescue
Generation Rescue is an international movement of scientists, physicians and parent-volunteers researching the causes and treatments for autism and helping thousands of children begin biomedical treatment.
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Study links vaccines containing mercury with autism


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Roman Bystrianyk, "Study links vaccines containing mercury with autism", Health Sentinel, March 10, 2006,

A 1948 article in the journal Pediatrics opens with, “Inflammatory reactions involving various parts of the nervous system following injections or various sera or vaccines have long been known”. In that paper they discuss 15 instances in children at Boston Children’s Hospital that developed “acute cerebral symptoms within a period of hours after administration of pertussis vaccine.”

During the same time, the 1940s to the 1950s widespread use of the DTP vaccine (Diphtheria, Tetanus, Pertussis – more commonly know as whooping cough) came into use. Analysis of the historical data available shows that the recorded rate of whooping cough slowly fell coinciding with the use of the vaccine. However, using additional historical references from England – which maintained the most accurate historical disease mortality records – shows that before widespread vaccination the death rate from whooping cough had already declined by approximately 98.8 percent from its peak recorded in the 1860s.

A 1996 article in Pediatrics noted that a large controlled study, the NCES or National Childhood Encephalopathy Study, found that, “a significant association exists between the occurrence of acute neurologic illness and DTP vaccination with the preceding 7 days.” In 1994, an IOM (Institute of Medicine) committee concluded that the, “balance of evidence is consistent with a causal relation between DTP and chronic nervous system dysfunction in children whose serious acute neurological illness occurred within 7 days of DTP vaccination.”

However, a 1991 American Academy of Pediatrics report indicated that severe problems were rare. Although half the children were reported to be “fretful” or have fevers, severe neurological problems were reported to be 1 in 140,000 to 1 in 300,000. Seizures were reported to be 1 in 7,500, persistent screaming as 1 in 100, and unusual, high-pitched cry as 1 in 1,000.

Thimerosal is a mercury-containing compound that has been used since the 1930s as a preservative in many vaccines. According to the FDA (Food and Drug Administration) website, “Over the past several years, because of an increasing awareness of the theoretical potential for neurotoxicity of even low levels of organomercurials and because of the increased number of thimerosal containing vaccines that had been added to the infant immunization schedule, concerns about the use of thimerosal in vaccines and other products have been raised. Indeed, because of these concerns, the Food and Drug Administration has worked with, and continues to work with, vaccine manufacturers to reduce or eliminate thimerosal from vaccines.”

Autism is a disorder of the brain that impairs communication and social skills. It encompasses a broad range of disorders that may range from mild to severe. Autism, once uncommon, is now more widespread than childhood cancer, diabetes, and Down syndrome. According to the American Academy of Pediatrics (AAP), 1 in 166 children currently have an autistic disorder, and 1 in 6 children have a developmental and/or behavioral disorder.

A study published in the spring edition of Journal of American Physicians and Surgeons, examines the connection between vaccines that contain thimerosal and autism. The authors of the study are David A. Geier, B.A. and Mark R. Geier, M.D., Ph.D. According to the authors the study was thoroughly reviewed prior to publication. “Our manuscript underwent blinded peer-review by three different peer-reviewers including a bio-statistician/epidemiologist prior to its publication.”

A great deal of debate and controversy has surrounded this one ingredient in particular, thimerosal, as being in part responsible for the huge increase in cases of autism. While many parents of autistic children and activists believe that there is a link between vaccines containing mercury, government and other officials have rejected these claims. In 2004, the IOM (Institute of Medicine) stated that, “the committee concludes that the evidence favors rejection of a causal relationship between thimerosal-containing vaccines and autism.”

But according to the Milford Daily News a confidential CDC (Centers for Disease Control) study in 2000 actually found that children were 2.5 times more likely to develop autism when they receive 62.5 micrograms of mercury from vaccines at 3 months of age. The study was uncovered by an advocacy group under the Freedom of Information Act. “They're on record saying there's no effect from thimerosal, it's completely safe, even though their own internal studies show it's harmful,” said researcher David Geier.

According to Geier’s study, “exposure to mercury has previously been shown to cause immune, sensory, neurological, motor, and behavioral dysfunctions similar to traits defining or associated with autistic disorders, and with similarities in neuroanatomy, neurotransmitters, and biochemistry.” Also that, “recent research that codes children’s behaviors, and toy play from videotapes of the toddlers’ first and second birthday parties demonstrate that the regression associated with autistic disorders clearly manifests between the ages of 12 and 24 months, concurrent with the exposure to thimerosal-containing childhood vaccines (TCVs).”

Citing other research the authors note that several studies have examined the effect of thimerosal. One study examined infant monkeys following injection of doses of mercury comparable to the amount that U.S. children received during the 1990s. These researchers established that, “thimerosal crosses the blood-brain barrier and results in appreciable mercury content in tissues including the brain.” Another study examined mice after similarly being exposed to thimerosal and found that, “autistic symptoms in a susceptible mouse strain that included growth delay, reduced locomotion, exaggerated response to novelty, increased brain size, and significant abnormalities in brain architecture affecting areas subserving emotion and cognition.”

In the late 1980s into the 1990s the CDC expanded the number of TCVs to be given to children. Because of this increase a child could have received as much as 200 micrograms (µg) of mercury during the first six months of life. During the same time epidemic levels of neurodevelopmental disorders (NDs) including autism were observed that, “cannot be explained by immigration, changed diagnostic criteria, or improved identification.”

The authors hypothesized that since thimerosal has been removed from many vaccines that this decrease in thimerosal exposure should be accompanied with a decrease in autism and other neurodevelopmental disorders. “Assuming a 3- to 4- year lag time between birth and diagnosis of an ND, the peak followed by a decline in NDs would be expected to occur around 2002 if thimerosal had a significant impact on NDs.”

Using the VAERS (Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System) and CDDS (California Department of Developmental Services) databases, the independent researchers analyzed reports of childhood NDs, including autism, before and after removal of mercury-based preservatives.

From the data the authors determine that, “overall, it appears that the increasing and subsequent decreasing trends in the rates of NDs, observed in both the VAERS and CDDS databases, correlate with temporal periods when the cumulative amount of mercury in the childhood immunization schedule expanded and later contracted.” Continuing the authors note that, “the consistency of the effects observed for the spectrum of NDs, including autism and speech disorders, and the agreement between the observations from two separate databases, support the conclusion that the effect is real and not a chance observation.”

Critics charge that the VAERS database cannot be used to draw any conclusions about autism because anyone – including doctors, patients, or lawyers – can submit reports to it. According to Milford Daily News, Glen Nowak, spokesman for the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention stated that the VAERS data “in and of itself is not a strong signal.”

Responding to that criticism, the authors state that the VAERS is an epidemiological database that was established by an act of the United States Congress and set-up by the CDC to track adverse events reported following vaccination and is jointly maintained by the CDC and FDA. The VAERS has a total of approximately 200,000 adverse event reports that have been reported following more than 1 billion doses of vaccines administered in the United States. This probably makes the VAERS the largest database of adverse vaccine reactions in the world.

Adverse vaccine reactions are by law required to be reported to VAERS with a VAERS group that specifically analyzes and has published numerous peer-reviewed epidemiologic studies based upon examination of the VAERS database. The CDC has made official vaccine policy recommendations based upon epidemiological assessments of the VAERS. For example, the withdrawal of the rotavirus vaccine back in 1999 following numerous reports of intussussception following rotavirus vaccine to the VAERS database.

“It appears that the US CDC can analyze and publish epidemiological assessments of the VAERS database, but when independent researchers such as us, publish conclusions based upon epidemiological assessments of the VAERS database, that the CDC does not agree with, than according to the US CDC the VAERS becomes an unacceptable database to draw epidemiological conclusions from.”

“In quickly examining those who claim to dispute our results and others that have reported an association between Thimerosal and autism, they claim to not understand why autism increased in the US during the 1990s (as Thimerosal was increased in US vaccines), they claim to not understand why autism decreased in the US during the early 2000s (as Thimerosal was decreased in US vaccines), they claim to not understand why when comparing children that received additional doses of mercury from Thimerosal-containing DTaP vaccine in comparison to Thimerosal-free DTaP vaccine those children that received Thimerosal-containing DTaP vaccines were at increased risk of developing autism, and they claim to not understand numerous recent clinical, biochemical, genetic, molecular, etc. studies that support the ability of Thimerosal from vaccines administered in the US to occasion autism.”

“Based upon the fact that all the previous observations have one simple and transparent explanation, namely that Thimerosal was causing autism in the US, and those who purported dispute the link have no cohesive explanation for the phenomena observed, one must seriously considered that Thimerosal was a cause of autism and other neurodevelopmental disorders in the US.”

The authors conclude their paper with, “From the data presented here and other emerging data, it appears clear that additional research should be undertaken concerning the effects of mercury exposure, particularly from TCVs.”





According to wikipedia.org, “Mark R. Geier, MD, PhD, is a medical doctor based in Silver Spring, Maryland, who also holds a doctorate in genetics and is board-certified in medical genetics and forensic medicine. He was a researcher at the National Institutes of Health (NIH) for ten years, and previously was a professor at Johns Hopkins University. He has studied vaccines for more than 30 years and has published over 50 peer-reviewed papers on vaccine safety, efficacy, contamination and policy. He has authored over 90 publications and has made several presentations to the Institute of Medicine (IOM) on the adverse effects of vaccinations. He and his son, David Geier, are the only independent researchers ever to have been permitted to study the Vaccine Safety Datalink (VSD) database of the Centers for Disease Control (CDC).”

US health agencies have uniformly rejected the conclusions of the Geiers' studies, and one of the Geiers' articles was the subject of heavy criticism by the American Academy of Pediatrics. Geier says public health officials are “just trying to cover it up.” On the other hand, “Mercury in Medicine Taking Unnecessary Risks”, a report prepared by the staff of the Subcommittee on Human Rights and Wellness, House Committee on Government Reform, Chaired by Dan Burton, was published in the Congressional Record in May, 2003, stated:

“However, the Committee upon a thorough review of the scientific literature and internal documents from government and industry did find evidence that thimerosal did pose a risk. Thimerosal used as a preservative in vaccines is likely related to the autism epidemic. This epidemic in all probability may have been prevented or curtailed had the FDA not been asleep at the switch regarding the lack of safety data regarding injected thimerosal and the sharp rise of infant exposure to this known neurotoxin. Our public health agencies’ failure to act is indicative of institutional malfeasance for self-protection and misplaced protectionism of the pharmaceutical industry.”

SOURCE: Journal of American Physicians and Surgeons
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Thousands of children with autism. Thousands of elderly with Almsheimers. For years it's been long suspected from thermosil in the vaccines and flu shots.

Now what? Will they stop using this (ahem)toxic "preservative" in the vaccines?

My guess is no.
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My son developed Tourette's immediately after a shot with mercury/thimerosol. It's a permanent condition. yipee.
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I have 2 foster boys with autism. no doubt from the vaccines.
one is a mild case, and the other severe.
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This is only ONE thing to which vaccines are linked. God only knows wtf else is caused, aggravated or blighted by them. With the 'nano-shit' on the scene today, I'd venture to say that NOTHING by injection is good for living things.

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This is only ONE thing to which vaccines are linked. God only knows wtf else is caused, aggravated or blighted by them. With the 'nano-shit' on the scene today, I'd venture to say that NOTHING by injection is good for living things.

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lets not forget the recent news report that certain anti depressants are now linked to parkinsons.
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This is but one problem with the 'government' thinking. The idea that for the good of many we must sacrifice a few is fundamentaly flawed. It is the underlying argument for so many ideas persued by our government and the world for that matter. It is why we must maintain our freedom to choose for ourselves if we will participate or not.
Wake up sheeple. Soon there will be no more choices left and this kind of thinking will run every aspect of our lives.
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This is but one problem with the 'government' thinking. The idea that for the good of many we must sacrifice a few is fundamentaly flawed. It is the underlying argument for so many ideas persued by our government and the world for that matter. It is why we must maintain our freedom to choose for ourselves if we will participate or not.
Wake up sheeple. Soon there will be no more choices left and this kind of thinking will run every aspect of our lives.
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Zactly...

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chronic drug using women produce kids with .lower IQ regardless of RACE ..chronic drug users should considerthe simple tubal ligation . Gls still have monthly periods and can have a future child by in vetro.few chronic drug users can maintain a stable life .divorced moms still usually wind up at or near poverty after divorces. Then to make matters even worse, Divorced gals discover fast that new boyfriends "usually" do not stick around for long to raise another mans child let alone children. Becoming a mom is a "super future high financial risk trainwreck just waiting to happen" after divorces or being and unwed abandoned mom. child support is rarely adequate a let alone dependable ...$1,000.00 to $1,300.00 a month in cash to support an infant with day care food meds seperate bedroom utilitties for second bedroom clothing time off from work to care for seriously ill child .fuel to and from child care ..the misc list to care for a chil is endlessly expensive .
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mycoplasma in brain doxycycline will cure
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If a pandemic outbreak occurs, how many of you will run to the government for a promised cure?
ahh, sheeple. Until we are willing to give up our comforts in order to obtain what is right and due us, we will forever be slaves to tptb.
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.... The announcement comes on the heels of the recently unsealed court case of Bailey Banks vs. HHS. The ruling states, “The Court found that Bailey would not have suffered this delay but for the administration of the MMR vaccine…a proximate sequence of cause and effect leading inexorably from vaccination to PDD [Autism].”
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Two comments here:

(1) Although I see the term Autism appended (I bolded it), autism is a subset of PDD but not all PDD is autism. PDD isd Pervasive Developmental Delay (of which autism is only one form).

(2) And, although the PDD was a final result of the MMR vaccine, what the court found was that the MMR was a contributing factor to Acute Disseminated Encephalomyelitis (ADEM), a rare neurological disease, which in turn led to PDD.

In other words, what the court found was that the vaccine led to ADEM, and, in this case, that ADEM led to PDD, which may or may not be autism.

Now I'm not saying that the vaccine is harmless; I don't think anyone -- not even Big Pharma -- would say that.

And I'm not saying that, in this case, the MMR vaccine didn't lead to ADEM (which may or may not be autism).

But the flat-out belief that "vaccines cause autism" is like saying that a runny nose can kill you, because sometimes a common cold can lead to pneumonia which, in turn, can be fatal.

I usually take a libertarian outlook on drugs, with the underlying belief that if you don't want your kid medicated, you shouldn't be forced to. I don't like the idea of forcing fluoride on people via their drinking water (although I think the benefits outweigh the disadvantages, but that's a different story).

You (or your minor kids, if you're a parent, should not have to have your kid medicated against your will.

The problem with vaccines is that, regardless of their putative side effects, they slow and sometimes stop the spread of diseases. The rationale for forced vaccines is not just to save your kid's life, but to protect the other kids from catching whatever disease your kid might be carrying. That's why, in most cases, if you choose not to vaccinate your kid, they don't lock you up; the just don't let your kid go to school with other kids where he might infect them.

This is a classic case of advantages versus disadvantages of something, and it also ties in to private rights versus the public good. You can argue both sides of this argument -- at least, I could -- but if we get news articles that tell only half the story and leave out key data, how can we make up our minds which side to come down on in a free and open debate?
Where's the EVIDENCE, Jim?
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.... The announcement comes on the heels of the recently unsealed court case of Bailey Banks vs. HHS. The ruling states, “The Court found that Bailey would not have suffered this delay but for the administration of the MMR vaccine…a proximate sequence of cause and effect leading inexorably from vaccination to PDD [Autism].”

Two comments here:

(1) although I see the term Autism appended (I bolded it), autism is a subset of PDD, PDD is not autism. PDD isd Pervasive Developmental Delay (of which autism is only one form).

(2) And, although the PDD was a final result of the MMR vaccine, what the court found was that the MMR was a contributing factor to Acute Disseminated Encephalomyelitis (ADEM), a rare neurological disease, which in turn led to PDD.

In other words, what the court found was that the vaccine led to ADEM, and, in this case, that ADEM led to PDD, which may or may not be autism.

Now I'm not saying that the vaccine is harmless; I don't think anyone -- not even big pharma -- would say that.

And I'm not saying that, in this case, the MMR vaccine led to ADEM (which may or may not be autism).

But the flat-out belief that "vaccines cause autism" is like saying that a runny nose can kill you, because sometimes a common cold can lead to pneumonia which, in turn, can be fatal.

I usually take a libertarian outlook on drugs, with the underlying belief that if you don't want your kid medicated, you shouldn't be forced to. I don't like the idea of forcing fluoride on people via their drinking water (although I think the benefits outweigh the disadvantages, but that's a different story).

You (or your minor kids, if you're a parent, should not have to have your kid medicated against your will.

The problem with vaccines is that, regardless of their side effects, they slow and sometimes stop the spread of diseases. the rationale for forced vaccines is not to save your kid's life, but to protect the other kids from catching whatever disease your kid might be carrying. that's why, in most cases, if you choose not to vaccinate your kid, they don't lock you up; the just don't let your kid go to school with other kids where he might infect them.

This is a classic case of advantages versus disadvantages of something, and it also ties in to private rights versus the public good. you can argue both sides of this argument -- at least, I could -- but if we get news articles that tell only half the story and leave out key data, how can we make up our minds which side to come down on in a free and open debate?
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its the thimerosol IN the vaccines - not the vaccines itself. hence mercury which is highly toxic to the body
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its the thimerosol IN the vaccines - not the vaccines itself. hence mercury which is highly toxic to the body
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No argument there. My point was that whatever it was in the vaccine -- if I read the articles right -- sometimes causes PDD, and that particular type of PDD might be, in this case, autism.

You might think I'm splitting hairs here, but I'm not. these researchers realize ther's no magic bullet; everything has its drawbacks. as i mentioned earlier, Fluoride in drinking water can cause fluorosis, teeth staining, and who knows what else. Is the fact that the fluoride compounds result in a drastic reduction of dental caries worth it?

Well, different people have different views of this, but to the majority of the scientific establishment and most Americans, the advantages of fluoride do outweigh the disadvantages.

I think we need to look on this whole vaccine thing on a case by case basis, and figure out if (a) what the percentages of autism cases which can be tracked to the vaccine or its components really is; and (b) is that percentage an acceptable price to pay for whatever benefits the vaccine has.

I don't know the answer myself, and neither does any scientist. This is, I suppose, why the argument has to go on.
Where's the EVIDENCE, Jim?
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its the thimerosol IN the vaccines - not the vaccines itself. hence mercury which is highly toxic to the body


No argument there. My point was that whatever it was in the vaccine -- if I read the articles right -- sometimes causes PDD, and that particular type of PDD might be, in this case, autism.

You might think I'm splitting hairs here, but I'm not. these researchers realize ther's no magic bullet; everything has its drawbacks. as i mentioned earlier, Fluoride in drinking water can cause fluorosis, teeth staining, and who knows what else. Is the fact that the fluoride compounds result in a drastic reduction of dental caries worth it?

Well, different people have different views of this, but to the majority of the scientific establishment and most Americans, the advantages of fluoride do outweigh the disadvantages.

I think we need to look on this whole vaccine thing on a case by case basis, and figure out if (a) what the percentages of autism cases which can be tracked to the vaccine or its components really is; and (b) is that percentage an acceptable price to pay for whatever benefits the vaccine has.

I don't know the answer myself, and neither does any scientist. This is, I suppose, why the argument has to go on.
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Your argument regarding flouride is akin to the world being flat ... I'd say the messenger is more comparable than the content though ....
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Good information here... Vaccination Liberation [link to www.vaclib.org]

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thanks, i'm get some late night reading in ....
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Why do people fear what they do not understand? The guy who started all this nonsense just came out saying he falsified all of his data. It's all bullshit, and you people's irrational fears will result in people getting sick.
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Why do people fear what they do not understand? The guy who started all this nonsense just came out saying he falsified all of his data. It's all bullshit, and you people's irrational fears will result in people getting sick.
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Phenom and most of the other people paying GLP are not here for truth. They are here to stir. To cause revolt. And they don't care for the truth.
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Why do people fear what they do not understand? The guy who started all this nonsense just came out saying he falsified all of his data. It's all bullshit, and you people's irrational fears will result in people getting sick.



Phenom and most of the other people paying GLP are not here for truth. They are here to stir. To cause revolt. And they don't care for the truth.
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I know. It's one thing to watch them fear an imaginary doomsday, but it's another when they start something that will cause harm to innocent people.
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I know. It's one thing to watch them fear an imaginary doomsday, but it's another when they start something that will cause harm to innocent people.
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Look to how she supports the most disastrous of mining policies... but really, she is very much like Lenin here, doing the same kind of "see how evil the government" statements to get people to rise up and fight. She wants to create the doom. She is a terrorist. As are most who PAY for GLP. Watch them closely.
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Look to how she supports the most disastrous of mining policies... but really, she is very much like Lenin here, doing the same kind of "see how evil the government" statements to get people to rise up and fight. She wants to create the doom. She is a terrorist. As are most who PAY for GLP. Watch them closely.
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What's kind of funny is that people like her like to quote government reports when she agrees with them. At any other time they're a bunch of evil shills.
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What's kind of funny is that people like her like to quote government reports when she agrees with them. At any other time they're a bunch of evil shills.
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It's not funny at all. It is a demonstration that those who want to rise up and take out the powers that be really do the rally cries, hoping to become the next powers that be; and that means they have to keep much of the government intact for their attempted takeover. You can't destroy the whole system, only those on top. Replace them, not the system. Fake revolution.
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Here's someone who actually looks like they know what they're talking about...

[link to leftbrainrightbrain.co.uk]
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Here's someone who actually looks like they know what they're talking about...

[link to leftbrainrightbrain.co.uk]
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That is a good one. And points to what I said initially: the government did not concede, nor has conceded such. The problem is people like the OP here are not critical in their thinking abilities, because they don't have to be. It is easier to stir up trouble by bringing up crap, and hope some of it will stick.

I've heard all the autism/aspergers/vaccine debate for sometime because my family has several people with aspergers (my nephew was the first to be classified with it, then it was determined I have it, my father probably has it, etc; aspergers clearly is genetic -- and we can see it in areas without vaccine!). We looked at the possibility, read the data, saw -- the claims are made by people with issues, using pseudo-science, often to fund a different agenda which is not good.. like anti-government groups.





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