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The Junk Food Tax: Good for Our Health or Bad for Our Wealth?
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Last month New York Governor David Paterson proposed an obesity tax to be levied on fattening foods. He characterizes America’s problem with obesity as a crisis. Drawing a comparison to cigarettes, he suggests that just as cigarette taxes reduced the number of American’s consumption of cigarettes, a tax on certain junk foods should reduce the consumption of unhealthy fare.

Paterson remarked:

“Just as the cigarette tax has helped reduce the number of smokers and smoking-related deaths, a tax on highly caloric, non-nutritional beverages can help reduce the prevalence of obesity”[1]

While Patterson’s proposal focuses on sodas and other sugary drinks, the general concept of taxing foods that are detrimental to health is interesting.
“Obesity Tax”: A name destined for disapproval

I am not sure who came up with the term “obesity tax”, or the even worse term “fat tax”. I haven’t yet read about those words coming out of Paterson’s mouth. It’s a terrible name that is destined to only increase resistance to a tax that is already likely to have a large group of adversaries. Calling this an “obesity tax” is akin to calling the tax on cigarettes a “lung cancer tax”. It’s never good to sound like you are taxing people’s problems (in this case obesity). But taxing the cause of their problems (in this case junk foods) seems to be more palatable, and in this case also more accurate.

Additionally, to some extent, the term “obese” describes a category of people, mainly those suffering from obesity. An “obesity tax” sounds like it unfairly singles out those people for taxation. It also stigmatizes that group in a way that is unacceptable.

The fact is that Paterson has expressed no intention of taxing people who suffer from obesity. He intends to tax the sales of certain unhealthy foods regardless of the body type and health of the person who purchases them. The term “obesity tax” has the ring of a term coined by someone who intended to rile the reader. A more accurate, although somewhat less dramatic sounding term, would be “junk food tax” or “unhealthy food tax”.
Why tax junk food?

Setting aside phraseology, the question remains about whether these foods should be taxed. Generally, the arguments in favor of taxing these types of foods are:

1. The tax creates a deterrent to the consumption of unhealthy foods leading to (1) healthier people and (2) reduced burden on our health care system from treating the adverse results of the consumption of unhealthy foods.
2. The tax will generate revenues that can be used to combat the so called “obesity crisis”, including education and treatment.

The proposed tax on unhealthy foods is an attempt to, through taxation, regulate self destructive behavior. This is not dissimilar from the tax on cigarettes. And there is evidence that cigarette taxes have reduced cigarette consumption. A recent article in BusinessWeek makes a stark comparison:

“Obesity is now closing in on smoking as the leading cause of preventable death in the U.S. But unlike obesity, smoking rates have been declining since 1964, when 42% of American adults smoked. In November, the CDC reported that the U.S. smoking rate had dipped below 20% for the first time on record, and public health experts give much of the credit for that decline to extremely high taxes enacted over the last 15 years on tobacco products.”[2]

Should the government regulate self destructive eating habits?

As Americans we generally believe that we should have the freedom to choose to partake in certain pleasures in life, even if there is a danger associated with the activity. After all, so many of the activities that we enjoy carry some calculated risk. Past times like playing football, riding motorcycles or SCUBA diving all carry some measured risk and we aren’t about to start taxing or regulating participation in those activities. Similarly, being sexually promiscuous in this day and age carries well known risks. While considerable effort is made to educate people about those risks, legislators are not about to regulate or tax the sexual exploits of consenting adults.

However, we have for some time accepted many form of behavioral regulation of citizens including the tax on cigarettes, restrictions on the sale of alcohol and laws requiring the use of seat belts in cars and helmets on motorcycles. These are all laws that aim, to varying extents, to regulate what is perceived as self destructive behavior. The quintessential example of laws that regulate behavior deemed to be self destructive are drug laws. It would be natural to respond to the above comparison with a bit of trepidation. In our society there is a big difference between the perceived harm caused by the consumption of a Big Mac versus that of heroine. But while there is a qualitative difference in the riskiness of the regulated behaviors[3], there is a categorical similarity between these laws in that they both regulate self destructive behavior.

Readers may recognize the above discussion as leading to a slippery slope argument. If obesity taxes are instituted, then where do we draw the line about what can be taxed or regulated? Should the tax apply to only the unhealthiest junk food? Or should it apply to anything but components of the healthiest diet? And if a tax on unhealthy food is ok, why not a tax on other risky behavior like sky diving? Where is the line drawn?

Alternatively, we have already accepted that the regulation of unhealthy behavior is acceptable in the form of taxes on cigarettes, restrictions on the sale of alcohol and of course the drug regulation[4]. In what way is a tax on the sale of unhealthy foods categorically different from the above legislations?

Is there a clear distinction between over consumption of junk foods and other regulated self destructive behaviors? Does the danger of junk food consumption rise to some threshold level making it appropriate subject matter for legislation? Some data from the Office of the Surgeon General may help to illuminate the seriousness of the dangers of unhealthy eating habits[5]:

* Overweight and obesity result from an imbalance involving excessive calorie consumption and/or inadequate physical activity.
* 61% of adults in the United States were overweight or obese (BMI > 25)* in 1999.
* 300,000 deaths each year in the United States are associated with obesity.
* The economic cost of obesity in the United States was about $117 billion in 2000.

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I'm convinced these fucks favorite movie is total recall -- and they sit up all night trying to work out how to tax air.
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I'm convinced these fucks favorite movie is total recall -- and they sit up all night trying to work out how to tax air.
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Maybe I missed it in the article...but what is "junk food" and who decides what is or isnt?

They would have to tax half the grocery store. Unless they just mean fast food tax?

Either way its a bad idea.
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Maybe I missed it in the article...but what is "junk food" and who decides what is or isnt?

They would have to tax half the grocery store. Unless they just mean fast food tax?

Either way its a bad idea.
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I think they are talking about things that contain high levels of HFCS, snack foods, a dessert items.
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GOOD! you cannot tax one bad habit and let other bad habits go....
anything after 'but' is bullshit!

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don't forget that "fat people" are now considered contagious !

Yes, lets tax non diet sodas due to high weight gain, but its perfectly ok to put all those other chemicles in the body, right ? lol
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GOOD! you cannot tax one bad habit and let other bad habits go....
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how about not taxing any ? and punish the companies who create these bad products. oooh i forgot... it's easy to control people like you.. tax away, she don't mind.

god this world is full of idiots
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Just more ways to take away your rights under the guise of we know whats best for you. Next they'll be trying to make marijuana illegal.

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Hey I'm 58 and 6ft 2in at 165lb hardley fat and i drink a litter of pepsie everyday. I have no health problems. Why should I have to pay a fat tax on my pepsie. What are they going to do put in a scale at the check out counter and if your over weight you have to pay the tax. This whole concept is bull. As are many of the laws we have in this country. Since when is it the governments job to protect us from oursleves. Just tell them to take a hike.
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What the hell does it mean to be FREE anymore?

What's next? A tax on television and computer use to reduce eye strain? I can hear them now: "We are doing this for your own good, we swear!"

We need a national discussion on what it means to be free. It's obvious that we take enormous pride in the fact that we are supposedly free, but I doubt there is any consensus as to what it means to be free in the first place.

If I have a super father-figure (paternalism) telling me I can't partake in certain activities which don't harm anyone else, then I am not free.
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Hey I'm 58 and 6ft 2in at 165lb hardley fat and i drink a litter of pepsie everyday. I have no health problems. Why should I have to pay a fat tax on my pepsie. What are they going to do put in a scale at the check out counter and if your over weight you have to pay the tax. This whole concept is bull. As are many of the laws we have in this country. Since when is it the governments job to protect us from oursleves. Just tell them to take a hike.
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Don't give them any MORE ideas... they might just go with that "scale at the check out" thing! lol
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GOOD! you cannot tax one bad habit and let other bad habits go....

how about not taxing any ? and punish the companies who create these bad products. oooh i forgot... it's easy to control people like you.. tax away, she don't mind.

god this world is full of idiots
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Now that would just be reasonable and fair....plus not very profitable for TPTB...whoever they may be!
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Hey I'm 58 and 6ft 2in at 165lb hardley fat and i drink a litter of pepsie everyday. I have no health problems. Why should I have to pay a fat tax on my pepsie. What are they going to do put in a scale at the check out counter and if your over weight you have to pay the tax. This whole concept is bull. As are many of the laws we have in this country. Since when is it the governments job to protect us from oursleves. Just tell them to take a hike.
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Pepsi and other sodas are not good for you and you do not need them. $1.00 tax per liter sounds fair.

Also the plastic bottles add too much waste to the environment, 10 cents per bottle tax on them.

Marijuana possession fines will be increased substantially and so will enforcement. Illegal drugs fuel the drug cartels which in turn incite civil unrest and also destroy society. Since enforcement has not worked, ie the war on drugs, then enforcement of punitive measures at the illegal drug consumer level will be more cost effective. Privately owned drug sniffing dogs and a fine of $100 per gram will pay for the training of the dogs. A private citizen will own and care for the dogs and will receive 10% of all fines generated by their owner/dog team to offset that cost. This will also generate a new form of employment and revenue stream for other federal program designed to reduce illegal drug use.
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GOOD! you cannot tax one bad habit and let other bad habits go....

how about not taxing any ? and punish the companies who create these bad products. oooh i forgot... it's easy to control people like you.. tax away, she don't mind.

god this world is full of idiots
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Corporations do not pay taxes, they pass the cost to the consumer and YOU pay them. This also does nothing to modify the behavior which is the root of the problem. Behavior will be modified by punitive economic costs, this is known to be effective and will be implemented.
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GOOD! you cannot tax one bad habit and let other bad habits go....

how about not taxing any ? and punish the companies who create these bad products. oooh i forgot... it's easy to control people like you.. tax away, she don't mind.

god this world is full of idiots
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Too late! smokers have already been targeted, and nary a soul cried foul.
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GOOD! you cannot tax one bad habit and let other bad habits go....

how about not taxing any ? and punish the companies who create these bad products. oooh i forgot... it's easy to control people like you.. tax away, she don't mind.

god this world is full of idiots

Corporations do not pay taxes, they pass the cost to the consumer and YOU pay them. This also does nothing to modify the behavior which is the root of the problem. Behavior will be modified by punitive economic costs, this is known to be effective and will be implemented.
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OP it sounds like your are in favor of these laws. Who is to say what behavior is good and bad. Maybe you would like the Taliban from Afghanistan making that decision for you. Back under the burka so you don't show your sensuous body and there by get raped. Slippery slope, no more like an avalanche
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GOOD! you cannot tax one bad habit and let other bad habits go....

how about not taxing any ? and punish the companies who create these bad products. oooh i forgot... it's easy to control people like you.. tax away, she don't mind.

god this world is full of idiots

Corporations do not pay taxes, they pass the cost to the consumer and YOU pay them. This also does nothing to modify the behavior which is the root of the problem. Behavior will be modified by punitive economic costs, this is known to be effective and will be implemented.

OP it sounds like your are in favor of these laws. Who is to say what behavior is good and bad. Maybe you would like the Taliban from Afghanistan making that decision for you. Back under the burka so you don't show your sensuous body and there by get raped. Slippery slope, no more like an avalanche
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Big Brother can make those decisions. Big Brother knows best.
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Pepsi and other sodas are not good for you and you do not need them. $1.00 tax per liter sounds fair.
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You and your beliefs are not conducive to my freedom. Who died and left you in charge of determining what is and is not good for someone, or whether they need or don't need anything?
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GOOD! you cannot tax one bad habit and let other bad habits go....

how about not taxing any ? and punish the companies who create these bad products. oooh i forgot... it's easy to control people like you.. tax away, she don't mind.

god this world is full of idiots

Corporations do not pay taxes, they pass the cost to the consumer and YOU pay them. This also does nothing to modify the behavior which is the root of the problem. Behavior will be modified by punitive economic costs, this is known to be effective and will be implemented.
 Quoting: SHR

although tax is a form of punishment, there are many ways to punish a company other than tax them.
you say taxing is effective... maybe at creating a black market. thats about all.. now that is tried and tested..

you only have to think about that the next time you spark a j.
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GOOD! you cannot tax one bad habit and let other bad habits go....

how about not taxing any ? and punish the companies who create these bad products. oooh i forgot... it's easy to control people like you.. tax away, she don't mind.

god this world is full of idiots

Corporations do not pay taxes, they pass the cost to the consumer and YOU pay them. This also does nothing to modify the behavior which is the root of the problem. Behavior will be modified by punitive economic costs, this is known to be effective and will be implemented.

OP it sounds like your are in favor of these laws. Who is to say what behavior is good and bad. Maybe you would like the Taliban from Afghanistan making that decision for you. Back under the burka so you don't show your sensuous body and there by get raped. Slippery slope, no more like an avalanche
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Determining which behaviors are detrimental is easy, we study the effects and place modifications as are appropriate. Non essential consumption is always bad, anything that harms the environment and increases greenhouse gases thus destroying the planet will no longer be tolerated in the destructive manner of the past. This will have a multi-fold net positive effect.
For instance: Coal and Natural gas electrical generating facilities contribute an inordinate amount of carbon dioxide green house to the atmosphere. The new and aggressive cap and trade carbon limitation system will serve to not only reduce this harmful emission, it will spur by necessity the conversion to green power sources. The cost to consumer of electricity will sky rocket out of necessity as there is no other method to effectively modify consumer behavior. If any utility wishes to build a new coal fired plant, they can, but it will bankrupt them due to a constantly ratcheted down carbon limit. The increased cost of electricity will reduce end user consumption thus reducing our dependence on non re-newable energy sources.

This system is being implemented presently and will soon be in place. It will not only generate revenue which can be re-invested in energy alternatives, it reduces harmful energy consumption, both positive effects for the collective society.
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Pepsi and other sodas are not good for you and you do not need them. $1.00 tax per liter sounds fair.


You and your beliefs are not conducive to my freedom. Who died and left you in charge of determining what is and is not good for someone, or whether they need or don't need anything?
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GOOD! you cannot tax one bad habit and let other bad habits go....

how about not taxing any ? and punish the companies who create these bad products. oooh i forgot... it's easy to control people like you.. tax away, she don't mind.

god this world is full of idiots

Corporations do not pay taxes, they pass the cost to the consumer and YOU pay them. This also does nothing to modify the behavior which is the root of the problem. Behavior will be modified by punitive economic costs, this is known to be effective and will be implemented.

although tax is a form of punishment, there are many ways to punish a company other than tax them.
you say taxing is effective... maybe at creating a black market. thats about all.. now that is tried and tested..

you only have to think about that the next time you spark a j.
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Black, or so called gray market enforcement is the duty of all citizens. The community corps are being increased dramatically in size and funding and this enforcement will one of the primary goals of this embedded corp.

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i hear what ur saying, but this new system will benefit no1 but the people in charge.. green is big business... big profits to be made.

There will be an offshoot black market in all things green, the countryside will soon become a cess pit for tipping rubbish. And the organised gangs will make a killing off this also.

The companies who provide these packagings should be told no, no more. Find a sustainable way. If they say it will cost too much, close them down, let new companies (green minded) take over. This would affect the public better than taxing, giving them no choice but to go green.

Provide appropriate green zones in every street allowing the public to go green would go a long way in helping the public.

All these billions could have been farmed into town planning creating new jobs and a better society in general, it would take a while but we would get there. Instead our local governments have gambled all our money on the stock market and are now taxing the public so they can regain there losses.. so they can do it all over again.
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GOOD! you cannot tax one bad habit and let other bad habits go....

how about not taxing any ? and punish the companies who create these bad products. oooh i forgot... it's easy to control people like you.. tax away, she don't mind.

god this world is full of idiots

Corporations do not pay taxes, they pass the cost to the consumer and YOU pay them. This also does nothing to modify the behavior which is the root of the problem. Behavior will be modified by punitive economic costs, this is known to be effective and will be implemented.

although tax is a form of punishment, there are many ways to punish a company other than tax them.
you say taxing is effective... maybe at creating a black market. thats about all.. now that is tried and tested..

you only have to think about that the next time you spark a j.

Black, or so called gray market enforcement is the duty of all citizens. The community corps are being increased dramatically in size and funding and this enforcement will one of the primary goals of this embedded corp.

Service equals citizenship, would you like to know more?
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i'm from the UK, this is happening already... these civilian cops have become a target themselves.. there are certain zones they cannot go without fear of attack. What zones may that be, the very zones where the markets work at there finest.
there is always a way, it just goes deeper underground and becomes more professional and more violent. You will find whole families now control the drugs & the goods, not just the aspiring teenage gangster.. the mum, the dad, the brother.. These community corps have put there lives and families at great risk, you will see this transpire in time my friend.
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Hey, if we all got those microchips installed, the govt could do cool stuff like tax us on an individual level for all different kinds of taxes, maybe weighted against your "social contribution" in some cases) and then they could do searches or set limits on goods that they don't want us to eat. They could also search your buying behavior to make sure you weren't committing too much tax fraud (buying low tax twinkies and reselling them to higher taxed fat people).

YaY for the future!

I'm curious to see just how far people let themselves be ruled before they snap.
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Coming from SHR it sounds so much better than when elected officials say it!

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i hear what ur saying, but this new system will benefit no1 but the people in charge.. green is big business... big profits to be made.

There will be an offshoot black market in all things green, the countryside will soon become a cess pit for tipping rubbish. And the organised gangs will make a killing off this also.

The companies who provide these packagings should be told no, no more. Find a sustainable way. If they say it will cost too much, close them down, let new companies (green minded) take over. This would affect the public better than taxing, giving them no choice but to go green.

Provide appropriate green zones in every street allowing the public to go green would go a long way in helping the public.

All these billions could have been farmed into town planning creating new jobs and a better society in general, it would take a while but we would get there. Instead our local governments have gambled all our money on the stock market and are now taxing the public so they can regain there losses.. so they can do it all over again.
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You are almost there and many of your ideas are sound. Companies that cannot or will not comply will assimilated by the market place. The consumer market requires motivation because naturally it will tend to take easy way out, this option is no longer viable. To alter market place trends away from detrimental behavior and toward more beneficial behavior market place variables must be influenced. The most effective way to do this is through consumption modification and the most effective consumption modifier is cost re-structuring. The collective citizenry needs to mobilize to be effective and this will require the current consumption mentality to be modified, it is not a technical matter, it is merely a cause and effect of simple cost re-structuring.

Listen to President Obama's own words on the subject.


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Re: First the Cigs.. NOW, introducing The Junk Food Tax
SHR-you are one sic puppy. you still belive in humans causing global warming. Do you still believe in the tooth fairy also.

You are willing to give up your rights based on what the powers that be tell you. Your totally bying into there brain washing. people like you are really scary. I fear for the world when I hear people like spouting your unenlightened bull. The sorry part is that you really believe in the line your selling. Here is a link to a thread about globable warming. please Read it. If it doesn't make you think then just go back to sleep.
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03/10/2009 10:56 AM
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GOOD! you cannot tax one bad habit and let other bad habits go....

how about not taxing any ? and punish the companies who create these bad products. oooh i forgot... it's easy to control people like you.. tax away, she don't mind.

god this world is full of idiots

Corporations do not pay taxes, they pass the cost to the consumer and YOU pay them. This also does nothing to modify the behavior which is the root of the problem. Behavior will be modified by punitive economic costs, this is known to be effective and will be implemented.

OP it sounds like your are in favor of these laws. Who is to say what behavior is good and bad. Maybe you would like the Taliban from Afghanistan making that decision for you. Back under the burka so you don't show your sensuous body and there by get raped. Slippery slope, no more like an avalanche
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NOPE! I just wanted to see peoples reaction to this! I disagree with it 100%.... but was curious as to the response when compared to how everyone posted regarding the cig and tobacco taxes.





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