First the Cigs.. NOW, introducing The Junk Food Tax | |
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Krysalis
(OP) User ID: 570987 United States 03/10/2009 08:47 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Maybe I missed it in the article...but what is "junk food" and who decides what is or isnt? Quoting: EmeraldThey would have to tax half the grocery store. Unless they just mean fast food tax? Either way its a bad idea. I think they are talking about things that contain high levels of HFCS, snack foods, a dessert items. |
Sireen-reborn
User ID: 626293 United States 03/10/2009 08:48 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | GOOD! you cannot tax one bad habit and let other bad habits go.... anything after 'but' is bullshit! [link to www.myspace.com] "Once you open your mind to the possibility of conspiracy, you then see conspiracy in everything." [link to deadbydecember-sireen.blogspot.com] |
CuriouslyIncognito
User ID: 631216 United States 03/10/2009 08:52 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | don't forget that "fat people" are now considered contagious ! Yes, lets tax non diet sodas due to high weight gain, but its perfectly ok to put all those other chemicles in the body, right ? lol ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "....So I told my Mom I was a prostitute because I didn't want her to know I was HERE doing This Shit !!! " by NANCY REED ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ I am a kind of paranoiac in reverse. I suspect people of plotting to make me happy.- JD Salinger |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 476001 United Kingdom 03/10/2009 08:56 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | GOOD! you cannot tax one bad habit and let other bad habits go.... Quoting: Sireen-rebornhow about not taxing any ? and punish the companies who create these bad products. oooh i forgot... it's easy to control people like you.. tax away, she don't mind. god this world is full of idiots |
rken
User ID: 631680 Thailand 03/10/2009 08:59 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Just more ways to take away your rights under the guise of we know whats best for you. Next they'll be trying to make marijuana illegal. Check out what there up to in other areas of limiting your freedom of choice. Thread: ## CODEX ALIMENTARIUS - A PRIMER and A REMINDER FOR ALL ## |
rken
User ID: 631680 Thailand 03/10/2009 09:09 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Hey I'm 58 and 6ft 2in at 165lb hardley fat and i drink a litter of pepsie everyday. I have no health problems. Why should I have to pay a fat tax on my pepsie. What are they going to do put in a scale at the check out counter and if your over weight you have to pay the tax. This whole concept is bull. As are many of the laws we have in this country. Since when is it the governments job to protect us from oursleves. Just tell them to take a hike. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 484854 United States 03/10/2009 09:15 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | What's next? A tax on television and computer use to reduce eye strain? I can hear them now: "We are doing this for your own good, we swear!" We need a national discussion on what it means to be free. It's obvious that we take enormous pride in the fact that we are supposedly free, but I doubt there is any consensus as to what it means to be free in the first place. If I have a super father-figure (paternalism) telling me I can't partake in certain activities which don't harm anyone else, then I am not free. |
Krysalis
(OP) User ID: 570987 United States 03/10/2009 09:18 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Hey I'm 58 and 6ft 2in at 165lb hardley fat and i drink a litter of pepsie everyday. I have no health problems. Why should I have to pay a fat tax on my pepsie. What are they going to do put in a scale at the check out counter and if your over weight you have to pay the tax. This whole concept is bull. As are many of the laws we have in this country. Since when is it the governments job to protect us from oursleves. Just tell them to take a hike. Quoting: rkenDon't give them any MORE ideas... they might just go with that "scale at the check out" thing! lol |
rken
User ID: 631680 Thailand 03/10/2009 09:21 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Freedom-Do what thy will-but harm no one |
Sireen-reborn
User ID: 626293 United States 03/10/2009 09:25 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | GOOD! you cannot tax one bad habit and let other bad habits go.... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 476001how about not taxing any ? and punish the companies who create these bad products. oooh i forgot... it's easy to control people like you.. tax away, she don't mind. god this world is full of idiots Now that would just be reasonable and fair....plus not very profitable for TPTB...whoever they may be! anything after 'but' is bullshit! [link to www.myspace.com] "Once you open your mind to the possibility of conspiracy, you then see conspiracy in everything." [link to deadbydecember-sireen.blogspot.com] |
SHR
Forum Administrator 03/10/2009 09:37 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Hey I'm 58 and 6ft 2in at 165lb hardley fat and i drink a litter of pepsie everyday. I have no health problems. Why should I have to pay a fat tax on my pepsie. What are they going to do put in a scale at the check out counter and if your over weight you have to pay the tax. This whole concept is bull. As are many of the laws we have in this country. Since when is it the governments job to protect us from oursleves. Just tell them to take a hike. Quoting: rkenPepsi and other sodas are not good for you and you do not need them. $1.00 tax per liter sounds fair. Also the plastic bottles add too much waste to the environment, 10 cents per bottle tax on them. Marijuana possession fines will be increased substantially and so will enforcement. Illegal drugs fuel the drug cartels which in turn incite civil unrest and also destroy society. Since enforcement has not worked, ie the war on drugs, then enforcement of punitive measures at the illegal drug consumer level will be more cost effective. Privately owned drug sniffing dogs and a fine of $100 per gram will pay for the training of the dogs. A private citizen will own and care for the dogs and will receive 10% of all fines generated by their owner/dog team to offset that cost. This will also generate a new form of employment and revenue stream for other federal program designed to reduce illegal drug use. ____________________________________________________ E-mail anytime [email protected] Inquiring about a ban?, include the IP address found here. [link to www.showmemyip.com] Ooooh, see the fire is sweepin' Our very streets today... Burns like a red coal carpet, Mad bulls lost the way... War, children, it's just a shot away...it's just a shot away.... |
SHR
Forum Administrator 03/10/2009 09:41 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | GOOD! you cannot tax one bad habit and let other bad habits go.... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 476001how about not taxing any ? and punish the companies who create these bad products. oooh i forgot... it's easy to control people like you.. tax away, she don't mind. god this world is full of idiots Corporations do not pay taxes, they pass the cost to the consumer and YOU pay them. This also does nothing to modify the behavior which is the root of the problem. Behavior will be modified by punitive economic costs, this is known to be effective and will be implemented. ____________________________________________________ E-mail anytime [email protected] Inquiring about a ban?, include the IP address found here. [link to www.showmemyip.com] Ooooh, see the fire is sweepin' Our very streets today... Burns like a red coal carpet, Mad bulls lost the way... War, children, it's just a shot away...it's just a shot away.... |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 631787 United States 03/10/2009 09:53 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | GOOD! you cannot tax one bad habit and let other bad habits go.... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 476001how about not taxing any ? and punish the companies who create these bad products. oooh i forgot... it's easy to control people like you.. tax away, she don't mind. god this world is full of idiots Too late! smokers have already been targeted, and nary a soul cried foul. |
rken
User ID: 631680 Thailand 03/10/2009 10:01 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | GOOD! you cannot tax one bad habit and let other bad habits go.... Quoting: SHRhow about not taxing any ? and punish the companies who create these bad products. oooh i forgot... it's easy to control people like you.. tax away, she don't mind. god this world is full of idiots Corporations do not pay taxes, they pass the cost to the consumer and YOU pay them. This also does nothing to modify the behavior which is the root of the problem. Behavior will be modified by punitive economic costs, this is known to be effective and will be implemented. OP it sounds like your are in favor of these laws. Who is to say what behavior is good and bad. Maybe you would like the Taliban from Afghanistan making that decision for you. Back under the burka so you don't show your sensuous body and there by get raped. Slippery slope, no more like an avalanche |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 631787 United States 03/10/2009 10:13 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | GOOD! you cannot tax one bad habit and let other bad habits go.... Quoting: rkenhow about not taxing any ? and punish the companies who create these bad products. oooh i forgot... it's easy to control people like you.. tax away, she don't mind. god this world is full of idiots Corporations do not pay taxes, they pass the cost to the consumer and YOU pay them. This also does nothing to modify the behavior which is the root of the problem. Behavior will be modified by punitive economic costs, this is known to be effective and will be implemented. OP it sounds like your are in favor of these laws. Who is to say what behavior is good and bad. Maybe you would like the Taliban from Afghanistan making that decision for you. Back under the burka so you don't show your sensuous body and there by get raped. Slippery slope, no more like an avalanche Big Brother can make those decisions. Big Brother knows best. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 484854 United States 03/10/2009 10:18 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Pepsi and other sodas are not good for you and you do not need them. $1.00 tax per liter sounds fair. Quoting: SHRYou and your beliefs are not conducive to my freedom. Who died and left you in charge of determining what is and is not good for someone, or whether they need or don't need anything? |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 476001 United Kingdom 03/10/2009 10:19 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | GOOD! you cannot tax one bad habit and let other bad habits go.... Quoting: SHRhow about not taxing any ? and punish the companies who create these bad products. oooh i forgot... it's easy to control people like you.. tax away, she don't mind. god this world is full of idiots Corporations do not pay taxes, they pass the cost to the consumer and YOU pay them. This also does nothing to modify the behavior which is the root of the problem. Behavior will be modified by punitive economic costs, this is known to be effective and will be implemented. although tax is a form of punishment, there are many ways to punish a company other than tax them. you say taxing is effective... maybe at creating a black market. thats about all.. now that is tried and tested.. you only have to think about that the next time you spark a j. |
SHR
Forum Administrator 03/10/2009 10:20 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | GOOD! you cannot tax one bad habit and let other bad habits go.... Quoting: rkenhow about not taxing any ? and punish the companies who create these bad products. oooh i forgot... it's easy to control people like you.. tax away, she don't mind. god this world is full of idiots Corporations do not pay taxes, they pass the cost to the consumer and YOU pay them. This also does nothing to modify the behavior which is the root of the problem. Behavior will be modified by punitive economic costs, this is known to be effective and will be implemented. OP it sounds like your are in favor of these laws. Who is to say what behavior is good and bad. Maybe you would like the Taliban from Afghanistan making that decision for you. Back under the burka so you don't show your sensuous body and there by get raped. Slippery slope, no more like an avalanche Determining which behaviors are detrimental is easy, we study the effects and place modifications as are appropriate. Non essential consumption is always bad, anything that harms the environment and increases greenhouse gases thus destroying the planet will no longer be tolerated in the destructive manner of the past. This will have a multi-fold net positive effect. For instance: Coal and Natural gas electrical generating facilities contribute an inordinate amount of carbon dioxide green house to the atmosphere. The new and aggressive cap and trade carbon limitation system will serve to not only reduce this harmful emission, it will spur by necessity the conversion to green power sources. The cost to consumer of electricity will sky rocket out of necessity as there is no other method to effectively modify consumer behavior. If any utility wishes to build a new coal fired plant, they can, but it will bankrupt them due to a constantly ratcheted down carbon limit. The increased cost of electricity will reduce end user consumption thus reducing our dependence on non re-newable energy sources. This system is being implemented presently and will soon be in place. It will not only generate revenue which can be re-invested in energy alternatives, it reduces harmful energy consumption, both positive effects for the collective society. ____________________________________________________ E-mail anytime [email protected] Inquiring about a ban?, include the IP address found here. [link to www.showmemyip.com] Ooooh, see the fire is sweepin' Our very streets today... Burns like a red coal carpet, Mad bulls lost the way... War, children, it's just a shot away...it's just a shot away.... |
SHR
Forum Administrator 03/10/2009 10:26 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Pepsi and other sodas are not good for you and you do not need them. $1.00 tax per liter sounds fair. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 484854You and your beliefs are not conducive to my freedom. Who died and left you in charge of determining what is and is not good for someone, or whether they need or don't need anything? Do not resist change citizen. What you consider freedom is the minster of the past and is harmful to not only the earth but other members of society. If you continue in behavior which is determined to be detrimental that is your choice, but you will be penalized economically for this. You may choose to retain your freedoms however you will be required to offset their detriment to the collective society by bearing the cost burden. ____________________________________________________ E-mail anytime [email protected] Inquiring about a ban?, include the IP address found here. [link to www.showmemyip.com] Ooooh, see the fire is sweepin' Our very streets today... Burns like a red coal carpet, Mad bulls lost the way... War, children, it's just a shot away...it's just a shot away.... |
SHR
Forum Administrator 03/10/2009 10:29 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | GOOD! you cannot tax one bad habit and let other bad habits go.... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 476001how about not taxing any ? and punish the companies who create these bad products. oooh i forgot... it's easy to control people like you.. tax away, she don't mind. god this world is full of idiots Corporations do not pay taxes, they pass the cost to the consumer and YOU pay them. This also does nothing to modify the behavior which is the root of the problem. Behavior will be modified by punitive economic costs, this is known to be effective and will be implemented. although tax is a form of punishment, there are many ways to punish a company other than tax them. you say taxing is effective... maybe at creating a black market. thats about all.. now that is tried and tested.. you only have to think about that the next time you spark a j. Black, or so called gray market enforcement is the duty of all citizens. The community corps are being increased dramatically in size and funding and this enforcement will one of the primary goals of this embedded corp. Service equals citizenship, would you like to know more? ____________________________________________________ E-mail anytime [email protected] Inquiring about a ban?, include the IP address found here. [link to www.showmemyip.com] Ooooh, see the fire is sweepin' Our very streets today... Burns like a red coal carpet, Mad bulls lost the way... War, children, it's just a shot away...it's just a shot away.... |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 476001 United Kingdom 03/10/2009 10:31 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | i hear what ur saying, but this new system will benefit no1 but the people in charge.. green is big business... big profits to be made. There will be an offshoot black market in all things green, the countryside will soon become a cess pit for tipping rubbish. And the organised gangs will make a killing off this also. The companies who provide these packagings should be told no, no more. Find a sustainable way. If they say it will cost too much, close them down, let new companies (green minded) take over. This would affect the public better than taxing, giving them no choice but to go green. Provide appropriate green zones in every street allowing the public to go green would go a long way in helping the public. All these billions could have been farmed into town planning creating new jobs and a better society in general, it would take a while but we would get there. Instead our local governments have gambled all our money on the stock market and are now taxing the public so they can regain there losses.. so they can do it all over again. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 476001 United Kingdom 03/10/2009 10:36 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | GOOD! you cannot tax one bad habit and let other bad habits go.... Quoting: SHRhow about not taxing any ? and punish the companies who create these bad products. oooh i forgot... it's easy to control people like you.. tax away, she don't mind. god this world is full of idiots Corporations do not pay taxes, they pass the cost to the consumer and YOU pay them. This also does nothing to modify the behavior which is the root of the problem. Behavior will be modified by punitive economic costs, this is known to be effective and will be implemented. although tax is a form of punishment, there are many ways to punish a company other than tax them. you say taxing is effective... maybe at creating a black market. thats about all.. now that is tried and tested.. you only have to think about that the next time you spark a j. Black, or so called gray market enforcement is the duty of all citizens. The community corps are being increased dramatically in size and funding and this enforcement will one of the primary goals of this embedded corp. Service equals citizenship, would you like to know more? i'm from the UK, this is happening already... these civilian cops have become a target themselves.. there are certain zones they cannot go without fear of attack. What zones may that be, the very zones where the markets work at there finest. there is always a way, it just goes deeper underground and becomes more professional and more violent. You will find whole families now control the drugs & the goods, not just the aspiring teenage gangster.. the mum, the dad, the brother.. These community corps have put there lives and families at great risk, you will see this transpire in time my friend. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 628179 United States 03/10/2009 10:37 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Hey, if we all got those microchips installed, the govt could do cool stuff like tax us on an individual level for all different kinds of taxes, maybe weighted against your "social contribution" in some cases) and then they could do searches or set limits on goods that they don't want us to eat. They could also search your buying behavior to make sure you weren't committing too much tax fraud (buying low tax twinkies and reselling them to higher taxed fat people). YaY for the future! I'm curious to see just how far people let themselves be ruled before they snap. |
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SHR
Forum Administrator 03/10/2009 10:44 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | i hear what ur saying, but this new system will benefit no1 but the people in charge.. green is big business... big profits to be made. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 476001There will be an offshoot black market in all things green, the countryside will soon become a cess pit for tipping rubbish. And the organised gangs will make a killing off this also. The companies who provide these packagings should be told no, no more. Find a sustainable way. If they say it will cost too much, close them down, let new companies (green minded) take over. This would affect the public better than taxing, giving them no choice but to go green. Provide appropriate green zones in every street allowing the public to go green would go a long way in helping the public. All these billions could have been farmed into town planning creating new jobs and a better society in general, it would take a while but we would get there. Instead our local governments have gambled all our money on the stock market and are now taxing the public so they can regain there losses.. so they can do it all over again. You are almost there and many of your ideas are sound. Companies that cannot or will not comply will assimilated by the market place. The consumer market requires motivation because naturally it will tend to take easy way out, this option is no longer viable. To alter market place trends away from detrimental behavior and toward more beneficial behavior market place variables must be influenced. The most effective way to do this is through consumption modification and the most effective consumption modifier is cost re-structuring. The collective citizenry needs to mobilize to be effective and this will require the current consumption mentality to be modified, it is not a technical matter, it is merely a cause and effect of simple cost re-structuring. Listen to President Obama's own words on the subject. ____________________________________________________ E-mail anytime [email protected] Inquiring about a ban?, include the IP address found here. [link to www.showmemyip.com] Ooooh, see the fire is sweepin' Our very streets today... Burns like a red coal carpet, Mad bulls lost the way... War, children, it's just a shot away...it's just a shot away.... |
rken
User ID: 631680 Thailand 03/10/2009 10:53 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | SHR-you are one sic puppy. you still belive in humans causing global warming. Do you still believe in the tooth fairy also. You are willing to give up your rights based on what the powers that be tell you. Your totally bying into there brain washing. people like you are really scary. I fear for the world when I hear people like spouting your unenlightened bull. The sorry part is that you really believe in the line your selling. Here is a link to a thread about globable warming. please Read it. If it doesn't make you think then just go back to sleep. |
Krysalis
(OP) User ID: 570987 United States 03/10/2009 10:56 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | GOOD! you cannot tax one bad habit and let other bad habits go.... Quoting: rkenhow about not taxing any ? and punish the companies who create these bad products. oooh i forgot... it's easy to control people like you.. tax away, she don't mind. god this world is full of idiots Corporations do not pay taxes, they pass the cost to the consumer and YOU pay them. This also does nothing to modify the behavior which is the root of the problem. Behavior will be modified by punitive economic costs, this is known to be effective and will be implemented. OP it sounds like your are in favor of these laws. Who is to say what behavior is good and bad. Maybe you would like the Taliban from Afghanistan making that decision for you. Back under the burka so you don't show your sensuous body and there by get raped. Slippery slope, no more like an avalanche NOPE! I just wanted to see peoples reaction to this! I disagree with it 100%.... but was curious as to the response when compared to how everyone posted regarding the cig and tobacco taxes. |