Can Believing Some "Hero" is going to Save you, When such is a LIE, HURT YOU?

I have been through hell in my life. But not even once this "hero" bailed me out trouble no matter how much I prayed

Jesus prison planet? to you maybe old timer.

What about believing 100s and 100s of rounds of gov. ammo and assalt rifles is going to save you.

I once asked Jesus for help when I was drunk from over indulging in wine after curfew in Madrid, Spain......with the cops chasing me! Yikes......told Jesus I would give up drinking if He helped me!!!

After I got away, I told Jesus: "Never mind", I done it myself......;) lol

I once asked Jesus for help when I was drunk from over indulging in wine after curfew in Madrid, Spain......with the cops chasing me! Yikes......told Jesus I would give up drinking if He helped me!!!

After I got away, I told Jesus: "Never mind", I done it myself......;) lol

I once asked Jesus for help when I was drunk from over indulging in wine......

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you did LOL

nice one

When I say this I mean, ingadging in combat with the most powerful military in the world in the world with weapons they made is not a good idea. Its our military. Who are you going to fight, its our police force. Its the laws that make that divide.

I once asked Jesus for help when I was drunk from over indulging in wine......

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you did LOL

nice one

In all fairness though, I did eventually give up drinking...:( lol

See, Jesus DID save you from yourself!!!


Or wait, did you do THAT with YOUR will TOO?

Yes, the world was saved 2000 years ago or whatever the actual number of years. The veil was rent letting in those divine living attributes to come through for us to wield. But it is up to us to wield them. That part we do in cooperation. Life isnt a license. There is no permanent stability unless those attributes are self addressing and abiding. If that part is done for us then it wont last. Those things towards us will eventually become latent.

As long as we bash others we will not see that we are in agreement with them unknowingly. For example, what you are presenting is the commercialized view of Jesus and Christianity just like they are but then diagreeing that it is of a sound quality. Well, I would say you are right to go agisnt that perspective because of the misunderstanding of what salvation is. So see, because you present that view and oppose it only shows that you agree with the very basis of it or you would not have a accusatory tone towards it. You are believing that view all the same as the very starting point of your next agrument.

So in a situation where there are two sides or ends to that spectrum shows that the very premis of belief is identical. Just because you disgree with its practicalities or common sense or goodness doesnt mean you really disagree with the common premise. Both sides of a spectrum are alsways in agreement right from the get go. That is what people dont see. And until we stop bashing people we will be blind to that level of hypocracy.

To illustrate further it is like you are not defending a different view of Jesus. Instead you are believing the same view but you are opposing its quality or common sense as being good and sound.

See, Jesus DID save you from yourself!!!


Or wait, did you do THAT with YOUR will TOO?

Since you put it that way: I think you are right.......it was both!

That's what I mean when I say: "Co-Creator"......

all they can see is their fictitious "free ride" going away.

Very True, like Father like Son. Those looking after you use YOU to teach YOU.

Those SCOUNDRELS eh?

Yes, the world was saved 2000 years ago or whatever the actual number of years. The veil was rent letting in those divine living attributes to come through for us to wield. But it is up to us to wield them. That part we do in cooperation. Life isnt a license. There is no permanent stability unless those attributes are self addressing and abiding. If that part is done for us then it wont last. Those things towards us will eventually become latent.

As long as we bash others we will not see that we are in agreement with them unknowingly. For example, what you are presenting is the commercialized view of Jesus and Christianity just like they are but then diagreeing that it is of a sound quality. Well, I would say you are right to go agisnt that perspective because of the misunderstanding of what salvation is. So see, because you present that view and oppose it only shows that you agree with the very basis of it or you would not have a accusatory tone towards it. You are believing that view all the same as the very starting point of your next agrument.

So in a situation where there are two sides or ends to that spectrum shows that the very premis of belief is identical. Just because you disgree with its practicalities or common sense or goodness doesnt mean you really disagree with the common premise. Both sides of a spectrum are alsways in agreement right from the get go. That is what people dont see. And until we stop bashing people we will be blind to that level of hypocracy.

To illustrate further it is like you are not defending a different view of Jesus. Instead you are believing the same view but you are opposing its quality or common sense as being good and sound.


That's actually True, but try telling that to the fuming hating Christian lynch mob. I'm not so sure they see things like you're saying.

Why, one would never guess that I was "preaching" and even MORE profound Love than their Jesus was preaching now would they? No, the Christian practitioners of "love" could care a WHIT about Real Love, for them, all they can see is their fictitious "free ride" going away.

I have been through hell in my life. But not even once this "hero" bailed me out trouble no matter how much I prayed


Hey, same here. That must be because we're "not living right", eh?

As a matter of fact, the endless parade of beatings in my life was at the hand of "good, caring, loving, LYING" Christians.

But I'm sure I was just getting what I "deserved", right?

This is how I understand things. Salvation was/is the free gift. It did not require any marit on our own part. Salvation WAS the renting of the veil by which the whole world was saved. The renting of that veil brought in to our acknowledgement higher spiritual principles which are living attributes of Life and God. That toolbox was given unconditionaly to all for their wielding. Salvation however in the stricter sense does not do the wieding for us. In that sense we have to do that ourselves. Lets call it the Work or taking up our own cross. Salvation does not go against other divine principles however. It is not a magic want that replaces our personal respons-ability. That part we do. That is the difference between salvation and the kingdom of God.

The kingdom of God are those who have gained citizenship through their oooperation with that divine toolbox and getting those qualities abding in them. That part we do in cooperation. If what we embrace is not self referencing then it cannot be eternally stable. That is the cross to bare in life. That part is not a magic wand. There is no way for any principle or quality to be abiding without our paticipation.

So the Hero coming into the world does not replace our personal resonsibility towards our own stability. However, the Law was established for sucess. The heart of that Law is Mercy. It works with us to mature us and get us stable through our participation. If a Hero were to come and solve all of our problems by means of mandate then it wont last. Mature divine minds know this innate factor of life.

Salavation is not a guarentee towards our condition or state. It cant be. Because that oondition or state cannot be stabalized by mere wishful thinking on anyones part. These divine principles have to be realized by us or there is no real understanding of their innate nature or quality on our part. Thus, unstable.

So even though that veil was rent and by it we get switched on desnt mean that Salvation is by itself. We have to participate. It is the only way for permanant stability.

There is a theme towards life. It will never end. When we leave this planet that theme is ever innate to life itself. The theme is, "In the beginning the static met the dynamic". Just because we leave this plane doesnt mean this ends. It didnt begin here nor will it end here. Even if those boundries are seemless they are still there. Even if those boundries take on a different form they are still there.

If we are only around those who are in agreement or of our own house then those boundries are not so mindful or useful. But that does not mean that are not innately there. Consciousness is the transcending of boundries not the dismantling of them. It means we transcend them by resolving the single differenciating factor, which is, what ever thou doest let it be at no one elses expense. We learn this in kindergarden but its intelligents grows exceedingly as dynamics increases. If we can resolve this here in the smaller things we can then go on to the larger issues.

Just because divine mind traverses realms so seemlessly doesnt mean that those borders are not there. It just means at that level of divine maturity those persons or minds or qualities have resolved the differenciating factor and continue to do so.

The law was estabished to govern this. And it does it perfectly. The Law was established (made into an external process) for our stability and eternal presence. Life is self addressing and all qualities and attributes of it are also self addressing which is to say abiding. Whatever we are apprechending must also be self addressing or abiding in order for it to be eternally stable. Life really has no preference whether it is expressive or latent in any particulare person or area. To life all is stable. All is liberating. We have to resolve that differenciating factor likewise in order for any of its qualities to be eternal in our own experience. In this case the magic wand does not work. It cant. It would be at our expense for it to do so.

That magic wand can be used as a tool of grace. It can be used as a tool for divine intervention but it wont be without our participation and agreement of those things. And how can we agree if we cant understand. What would we be agreeing with? This is where realization comes into the picture. And it wont come without our willingness, or, it wont remain without our willingness. But if our willingness is understood in such a way that is against the very nature of that quality(s) then there is no real agreement at all. And so things fall by the wayside. Which is good. But the Law was estabished as a Govenor for the perfection of all these things and They entered their Rest.

This is how I understand things. Salvation was/is the free gift. It did not require any marit on our own part. Salvation WAS the renting of the veil by which the whole world was saved. The renting of that veil brought in to our acknowledgement higher spiritual principles which are living attributes of Life and God. That toolbox was given unconditionaly to all for their wielding. Salvation however in the stricter sense does not do the wieding for us. In that sense we have to do that ourselves. Lets call it the Work or taking up our own cross. Salvation does not go against other divine principles however. It is not a magic want that replaces our personal respons-ability. That part we do. That is the difference between salvation and the kingdom of God.

The kingdom of God are those who have gained citizenship through their oooperation with that divine toolbox and getting those qualities abding in them. That part we do in cooperation. If what we embrace is not self referencing then it cannot be eternally stable. That is the cross to bare in life. That part is not a magic wand. There is no way for any principle or quality to be abiding without our paticipation.

So the Hero coming into the world does not replace our personal resonsibility towards our own stability. However, the Law was established for sucess. The heart of that Law is Mercy. It works with us to mature us and get us stable through our participation. If a Hero were to come and solve all of our problems by means of mandate then it wont last. Mature divine minds know this innate factor of life.

Salavation is not a guarentee towards our condition or state. It cant be. Because that oondition or state cannot be stabalized by mere wishful thinking on anyones part. These divine principles have to be realized by us or there is no real understanding of their innate nature or quality on our part. Thus, unstable.

So even though that veil was rent and by it we get switched on desnt mean that Salvation is by itself. We have to participate. It is the only way for permanant stability.

There is a theme towards life. It will never end. When we leave this planet that theme is ever innate to life itself. The theme is, "In the beginning the static met the dynamic". Just because we leave this plane doesnt mean this ends. It didnt begin here nor will it end here. Even if those boundries are seemless they are still there. Even if those boundries take on a different form they are still there.

If we are only around those who are in agreement or of our own house then those boundries are not so mindful or useful. But that does not mean that are not innately there. Consciousness is the transcending of boundries not the dismantling of them. It means we transcend them by resolving the single differenciating factor, which is, what ever thou doest let it be at no one elses expense. We learn this in kindergarden but its intelligents grows exceedingly as dynamics increases. If we can resolve this here in the smaller things we can then go on to the larger issues.

Just because divine mind traverses realms so seemlessly doesnt mean that those borders are not there. It just means at that level of divine maturity those persons or minds or qualities have resolved the differenciating factor and continue to do so.

The law was estabished to govern this. And it does it perfectly. The Law was established (made into an external process) for our stability and eternal presence. Life is self addressing and all qualities and attributes of it are also self addressing which is to say abiding. Whatever we are apprechending must also be self addressing or abiding in order for it to be eternally stable. Life really has no preference whether it is expressive or latent in any particulare person or area. To life all is stable. All is liberating. We have to resolve that differenciating factor likewise in order for any of its qualities to be eternal in our own experience. In this case the magic wand does not work. It cant. It would be at our expense for it to do so.

That magic wand can be used as a tool of grace. It can be used as a tool for divine intervention but it wont be without our participation and agreement of those things. And how can we agree if we cant understand. What would we be agreeing with? This is where realization comes into the picture. And it wont come without our willingness, or, it wont remain without our willingness. But if our willingness is understood in such a way that is against the very nature of that quality(s) then there is no real agreement at all. And so things fall by the wayside. Which is good. But the Law was estabished as a Govenor for the perfection of all these things and They entered their Rest.

Can you please keep on talking... this is everything I knew before but I forgot... How did I get here? = \