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User ID: 532038 United States 04/10/2009 10:17 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I was watching the the Billy Mier(?) docu, and he says that the real Christ didn't die on the cross either. That he survived. Billy says the real Christ's name is Jemmanuel, mostly spelled Emmanuel. Interesting stuff OP. "Life should not be measured by the breaths we take, but by the moments that take our breath away." |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 276706 United Kingdom 04/10/2009 10:29 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | For over 1400 years Quran has been saying the same thing. Here is the verse:4:156-159 "That they rejected Faith; That they uttered against Mary A grave false charge; That they said (in boast): 'We killed Christ Jesus The son of Mary, The Messenger of Allah.' But they killed him not, Nor crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjecture to follow, for of a surety they killed him not. Nay, Allah raised him up Unto Himself; and Allah Is Exalted in Power, Wise. And there is none of the people of the book (Jews and Christians) But must believe in him (Jesus) Before his death; And on the Day of Judgment He (Jesus) will be a witness Against them." |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 276706 United Kingdom 04/10/2009 10:31 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I was watching the the Billy Mier(?) docu, and he says that the real Christ didn't die on the cross either. That he survived. Quoting: StarKissedBilly says the real Christ's name is Jemmanuel, mostly spelled Emmanuel. Interesting stuff OP. Perisans, Turkish, Afghani's and Indians all believe that Jesus did not die on the cross but after the events he travelled to Iraq, Turkey, Iran, Afghanistan and then on to India. There is a tomb in Asia where it is thought it is the resting place of Jesus. |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 617083 Canada 04/10/2009 10:33 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I was watching the the Billy Mier(?) docu, and he says that the real Christ didn't die on the cross either. That he survived. Quoting: StarKissedBilly says the real Christ's name is Jemmanuel, mostly spelled Emmanuel. Interesting stuff OP. Irenaeus of Lyons, an early Christian who became Bishop of Lyons, said Jesus died an old man. Other accounts claim he was stoned to death (also at a much older age). According to the Talmud, Yeshu was the son of a Jewish woman named Miriam who was betrothed to a carpenter. "Betrothed" means she was legally married to him, but she was not yet living with him or having sexual relations with him. The story says that Miriam was either raped by or voluntarily slept with Pandeira, a Greek or Roman soldier. Miriam than gave birth to Yeshu, who was considered a "mamzer" (bastard), a product of an adulterous relationship. The Talmud describes Yeshu as a heretic who dabbled in sorcery and lead the people astray. Later, the Sanhedrin (the Jewish "Supreme Court") ordered Yeshu stoned to death and his dead body was hung from a tree until nightfall after his death, in accordance with the ancient Jewish punishment for heretics. [link to judaism.about.com] |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 276706 United Kingdom 04/10/2009 10:34 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | This investigative work explores the Eastern legend that upon crucifixion, Jesus did not in fact die on the cross but was taken secretly to India, where he lived to a ripe old age and eventually died. The tomb Rozabal, which is located in the proximity of Srinagar, the capital city of the northern state of Kashmir, India, is claimed to be that of Jesus. |
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User ID: 652367 Australia 04/10/2009 10:35 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | [link to www.animal-cruelty.com] Quoting: The Second Treatise of the Gre 617083Holy Crap!! It seems Jesus admits to being a shape-shifter!! The Second Treatise of the Great Seth: The manuscripts traces back to the second and fourth century CE. Theological analysis reveals a crucifixion account taken from the Basilides. And the plan which they advised about me to release their error and their senselessness- I did not succumb to them as they had planned. But I was not afflicted at all. Those who were there punished me. AND I DID NOT DIE IN REALITY BUT IN APPEARANCE, lest I be put to shame by them because these are my kinsfolk… For my death which they think happened, (happened) to them in their error and blindness, since they nailed their man unto their death… for they were deaf and blind… Yes, they saw me, they punished me. It was another, their father, who drank the gall of the vinegar, it was not I. They struck me with the reed; it was another, Simon, who bore the cross on his shoulder. It was another upon whom they placed the crown of thorns… And I was laughing at their ignorance… For I was altering my shapes, changing from form to form. The message is clear, it was not Jesus rather it was Simon the Cyrene who was crucified. ( [link to www.gnosis.org] Simon The Cyrene: As we learned from the Second Treatise of the Great Seth, Simon the Cyrene bore the cross instead of Jesus. Actually, this very idea could be even demonstrated by examining the current canonical gospels. New American Bible: Mark 15:" 21 They pressed into service a passer-by, Simon, a Cyrenian, who was coming in from the country, the father of Alexander and Rufus, to carry his cross. 22 They brought him to the place of Golgotha (which is translated Place of the Skull). 23 They gave him wine drugged with myrrh, but he did not take it. 24 Then they crucified him and divided his garments by casting lots for them to see what each should take. 25 It was nine o'clock in the morning when they crucified him." Luke 23:" 26 As they led him away they took hold of a certain Simon, a Cyrenian, who was coming in from the country; and after laying the cross on him, they made him carry it behind Jesus. 27 A large crowd of people followed Jesus, including many women who mourned and lamented him. 28 Jesus turned to them and said, "Daughters of Jerusalem, do not weep for me; weep instead for yourselves and for your children, 29 for indeed, the days are coming when people will say, 'Blessed are the barren, the wombs that never bore and the breasts that never nursed.' 30 At that time people will say to the mountains, 'Fall upon us!' and to the hills, 'Cover us!' 31 for if these things are done when the wood is green what will happen when it is dry?" 32 Now two others, both criminals, were led away with him to be executed. Now considering the two reading above, we note the following: 1) Simon carried the cross of Jesus. No where does it say that Jesus bore it also at the same time. 2) The above never mentioned that the cross was given back to Jesus The word "him" could actually refer to Simon. When considering the points outlined above, any reader could read it as if it is referring to Jesus, but he could as well read it and understand as if it is referring to Simon. However, this could give us a clue as to why some Christian sect who existed prior to the departure of Jesus believed that it was Simon not Jesus who bore the cross and eventually crucified. Even if that was true - it would still be irrelevant!!!! Dear sir, poor sir, brave sir: You are an experiment by the Creator of the Universe. You are the only creature in the entire Universe who has free will. You are the only one who has to figure out what to do next--and why. Everybody else is a robot, a machine. "MANE – THECEL – PHARES." |
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Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 617083 Canada 04/10/2009 10:37 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I was watching the the Billy Mier(?) docu, and he says that the real Christ didn't die on the cross either. That he survived. Quoting: StarKissedBilly says the real Christ's name is Jemmanuel, mostly spelled Emmanuel. Interesting stuff OP. Billy Maher [link to www.youtube.com] |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 554503 United States 04/10/2009 10:38 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I smell a smiting on the way! Seriously, it amazes me what people are willing to believe. You believe something you've read by just anyone who can post on the internet and yet you don't believe in Jesus and what he did and meant to us? Even if I weren't a Christian you can't deny that Jesus' message was as true as anything ever told her on earth. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 276706 United Kingdom 04/10/2009 10:46 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I smell a smiting on the way! Quoting: Anonymous Coward 554503Seriously, it amazes me what people are willing to believe. You believe something you've read by just anyone who can post on the internet and yet you don't believe in Jesus and what he did and meant to us? Even if I weren't a Christian you can't deny that Jesus' message was as true as anything ever told her on earth. No one is denying what he said. There is no doubt that Jesus brought love, peace and harmony for us to learn from. But instead of listening to him, we ended up making stories of his death and then praise him for dying on a cross for us. Would it not have been better to listened to his words of love and forget about how he died? Just another thought. Look around you? Look at vatican and USA and all the propeganda aboyt Jesus and how he died for our sins, yet if you look carefully you see that none of Jesus's teaching are being followed. It kida makes you think that the whole story is all made up and some one is taking us for a ride. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 554503 United States 04/10/2009 10:51 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Just another thought. Look around you? Look at vatican and USA and all the propeganda aboyt Jesus and how he died for our sins, yet if you look carefully you see that none of Jesus's teaching are being followed. It kida makes you think that the whole story is all made up and some one is taking us for a ride. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 276706Because so many have lost their faith you want to believe it isn't true? That's on you. I have NO DOUBT and that's based on my own personal experiences, not want others think and do. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 276706 United Kingdom 04/10/2009 11:05 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Does it matter where he died? Quoting: User ID 580336Romans killed people. Im sure if you were alive in the Roman era, you would try and not get eaten by lion on purpose. Assclown. Yes it does matter where he died because the whole of Christian doctrine is based on Jesus dying on the cross of our sins and nothing to do with his teachings that no one follows. Least of all the Vatican. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 554503 United States 04/10/2009 11:11 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Yes it does matter where he died because the whole of Christian doctrine is based on Jesus dying on the cross of our sins and nothing to do with his teachings that no one follows. Least of all the Vatican. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 276706It doesn't matter where...it matters that he was the sacrifice for our sin. But nothing you can pull up from the internet will ever change my belief. |
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Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 617083 Canada 04/10/2009 11:35 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I smell a smiting on the way! Quoting: Anonymous Coward 276706Seriously, it amazes me what people are willing to believe. You believe something you've read by just anyone who can post on the internet and yet you don't believe in Jesus and what he did and meant to us? Even if I weren't a Christian you can't deny that Jesus' message was as true as anything ever told her on earth. No one is denying what he said. There is no doubt that Jesus brought love, peace and harmony for us to learn from. But instead of listening to him, we ended up making stories of his death and then praise him for dying on a cross for us. Would it not have been better to listened to his words of love and forget about how he died? Just another thought. Look around you? Look at vatican and USA and all the propeganda aboyt Jesus and how he died for our sins, yet if you look carefully you see that none of Jesus's teaching are being followed. It kida makes you think that the whole story is all made up and some one is taking us for a ride. He went to the mystery schools and felt impulsed to teach the masses what he had learned. For that he had to be put to death. The masses are not allowed to know the truth of what and who we truly are. If you want to know what Jesus taught, you need to discard the bible and find the "forbidden" books. [link to www.gnosis.org] |
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User ID: 587101 United States 04/10/2009 11:59 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Praise The Holy Of Holy :: Jesus abolished death , he opened a door of everlasting life !! The door is open if you choose to fallow him !! Praise The Lamb:: Amen Holy, holy,holy, Lord God Almighty, which was, and is, and is to come.Praise the one who gives you peace beyond all understanding Yes that scripture still sounds good ! |
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anonymous User ID: 654102 United States 04/10/2009 12:16 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Simon was aked to help carry the cross for a weakened Jesus could not carry the heavy cross alone.. ..Jesus died on the cross..was taken down from the cross and placed in his mothers arms . Then buried then decended into Hell and then rose from the dead and after a time he ascended into to heaven and sits at the right hand of God the Father .. ..Remember this always, all of the soldiers knew full well who Jesus was . Everyone knew full well who Jesus was on that day .. good try Satanist and Muslims. . |
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User ID: 532038 United States 04/10/2009 12:47 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Simon was aked to help carry the cross for a weakened Jesus could not carry the heavy cross alone.. ..Jesus died on the cross..was taken down from the cross and placed in his mothers arms . Then buried then decended into Hell and then rose from the dead and after a time he ascended into to heaven and sits at the right hand of God the Father .. ..Remember this always, all of the soldiers knew full well who Jesus was . Everyone knew full well who Jesus was on that day .. good try Satanist and Muslims. . Quoting: anonymous 654102That's the story they've told you to believe. We all have our own versions. "Life should not be measured by the breaths we take, but by the moments that take our breath away." |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 654109 China 04/10/2009 02:47 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | For over 1400 years Quran has been saying the same thing. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 276706Here is the verse:4:156-159 "That they rejected Faith; That they uttered against Mary A grave false charge; That they said (in boast): 'We killed Christ Jesus The son of Mary, The Messenger of Allah.' But they killed him not, Nor crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjecture to follow, for of a surety they killed him not. Nay, Allah raised him up Unto Himself; and Allah Is Exalted in Power, Wise. And there is none of the people of the book (Jews and Christians) But must believe in him (Jesus) Before his death; And on the Day of Judgment He (Jesus) will be a witness Against them." Indeed Jesus was never caught, never tried, never crucified. It was Judas Iscariot. Read "Gospel of St. Barnabas'. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 653085 Japan 04/10/2009 03:04 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | For over 1400 years Quran has been saying the same thing. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 654109Here is the verse:4:156-159 "That they rejected Faith; That they uttered against Mary A grave false charge; That they said (in boast): 'We killed Christ Jesus The son of Mary, The Messenger of Allah.' But they killed him not, Nor crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjecture to follow, for of a surety they killed him not. Nay, Allah raised him up Unto Himself; and Allah Is Exalted in Power, Wise. And there is none of the people of the book (Jews and Christians) But must believe in him (Jesus) Before his death; And on the Day of Judgment He (Jesus) will be a witness Against them." Indeed Jesus was never caught, never tried, never crucified. It was Judas Iscariot. Read "Gospel of St. Barnabas'. is that mean Allah the trick master behind this drama judas kiss jesus and roman crucified him seem judas is the unlucky innocent human in the world |