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Say Nothing to the police
Excerpted from the seminal work Unintended Consequences by John Ross.

There is an important lesson here. Read it.

You are not compelled at Law to say ANYTHING to the police. What you say will be used as the rope to hang you with. All's I ever say to the police is :

Here is my ID

And:

Am I free to go?

FYI.



"You know about Joe Columbo's attempted murder?" Henry broke in.
"What? No. Who's that?"
"One of the most instructive events in American history. A lawyer friend of mine thinks it should be taught
in grade school. Ah...here we go," Henry said as his malt was delivered. "Damn, these are good," he said,
savoring the first few sips. "Where was I? Oh yes—Joe Columbo and the guy that tried to kill him.
"Joe Columbo was a big wheel in the organization in New York City in the early '60s. Some other big
wheel or wheels decided to take over Joe's part of the business. He or they hired a contract killer—some
black guy—to shoot Joe in the middle of a New York City parade. I don't know what they paid the guy,
promised him, or threatened him with, but he did it. Shot Joe Columbo in the middle of the parade, just like
he was supposed to. Didn't kill him, but left him paralyzed and confined to a wheelchair. A few thousand
witnesses were there to see it, and a couple or three television cameras filmed it as well." Henry took
another sip of his malt and smiled. "What happened next is the interesting part.
"As soon as the black guy shoots and paralyzes Columbo, five big Sicilian gentlemen jump on top of him.
The black guy is buried underneath them. Don't forget—cameras are filming all this. Okay, so there's this
big dogpile of six people, and all of a sudden, Whump! Whump! Two muffled shots. The five guys stand up,
and there's one dead black guy lying on the ground with two .38 slugs in him, and a .38 revolver lying on
the ground next to him. Smith & Wesson, I think it was.
"Anyway, the serial numbers on the gun have been destroyed with a punch, and every place on the gun that
the shooter would have touched is wrapped with friction tape, including the trigger.
"Cops haul in the five big Sicilians, find out all of 'em test positive on the nitrate test. Also find out none of
'em have Social Security numbers. Guess which one they decided to charge with the murder of the black
guy?"
"Uh...I have no idea," Cindy said.
"Neither did the cops. So they let them all go."
"What?"
"They let them all go. Had to. Not one of the Sicilians said anything. Not one single word. Soon as one of
them claimed something—anything—the cops could go to work on that one thing, find out if it was true or
not, get the guy on the stand, nail him for perjury if nothing else, whatever. Take hold of the one loose
thread and unravel the whole cloth. But there was no loose thread."
"What about that test?"
"It tests for nitrates, which are found in both gunpowder and fertilizer. Cops knew if they looked hard
enough, they'd find someone who'd seen all five of the men carrying bags of fertilizer that day. Even
without the fertilizer, proving all five of them shot a gun since their last bath doesn't make them guilty of
murder. State had no case. They had to let all five of them go."

Last Edited by Omega on 05/22/2009 02:50 PM
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Democracy is two wolves and a sheep voting on whats for dinner.

Disarmament is the precursor to Genocide.

Better to take action now rather than chances later. Your choice.
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Yep...awesome Omega. Wise advice honey!

hf
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Always a good idea,

especially when drunk,

ESPECIALLY when drunk driving.
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Yep...awesome Omega. Wise advice honey!

hf
 Quoting: Angelseverywhere


Thanks. Most people feel they are compelled to volunteer information to the police. You are not. Don't do it. Ever. They will try to use punk tactics to trip you up and use any information they glean against you. . They will even try and befriend you. The police are not your friends.

One time I was pulled over for speeding (there was a time in my life when every time I was stopped it was a felony stop but that's a different story) the cop says step over here son-right in front of his cop car camera.

He starts asking me questions like have you been drinking? (I had not).

I said lemme get this straight you want me to testify against myself in front of your police camera?

Bwhahahaahahaahaha. laughed in his face.

He was not amused. Tough shit.

That's all I said produced the id and insurance.

Don't fall for their bullshit folks.
Handguns are a skill; shotguns an art; rifles a science.
_____________________________________
Democracy is two wolves and a sheep voting on whats for dinner.

Disarmament is the precursor to Genocide.

Better to take action now rather than chances later. Your choice.
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Always a good idea,

especially when drunk,

ESPECIALLY when drunk driving.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 373696

I got a DUI 9 years ago. I gave them only the info that was on my Drivers License, and refused any sobriety tests. That resulted in an automatic 1 year license suspension. Other than that, I got off easier than anyone else that was in court on the same day as I was, and I was able to get my work permit drivers license restored after 30 days.

Giving them no evidence got me the lowest fine, shortest probation, and fewest hours of community service of any DUI sentence issued that day.

I think it also helped that I showed up to court in my best suit and called the judge Sir, as opposed to wearing baggy jeans, a sideways ball cap, and being a disrespectful tard to the judge, like most of the other morons that were there.
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Some of the best advice.

FUCK THE POLICE!!!!!!

clappa clappa
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everyone needs this info
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its going to be so fucking funny omega when you try and act like a punk with the cops and they beat your stupid ass to a pulp.
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and refused any sobriety tests.<<<<<

Smart man.

:5:

Unfortunately now days in many states they can FORCIBLY take your blood as evidence.

It's THAT type of bullshit that compels me to make posts like this one.

The Republic is lost folks.

Prepare yourself accordingly.


And give them NOTHING.

Fuck em.

Last Edited by Omega on 05/22/2009 02:48 PM
Handguns are a skill; shotguns an art; rifles a science.
_____________________________________
Democracy is two wolves and a sheep voting on whats for dinner.

Disarmament is the precursor to Genocide.

Better to take action now rather than chances later. Your choice.
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its going to be so fucking funny omega when you try and act like a punk with the cops and they beat your stupid ass to a pulp.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 685109


Never happened biatch.

They have a tendency to back the fuck up when they run into someone with my intellectual capacity and knowledge of the law.

Of course I don't get belligerent with them just back them into a corner with their own bullshit.

Oh and BTW.

Fuck off.
Handguns are a skill; shotguns an art; rifles a science.
_____________________________________
Democracy is two wolves and a sheep voting on whats for dinner.

Disarmament is the precursor to Genocide.

Better to take action now rather than chances later. Your choice.
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Yep...awesome Omega. Wise advice honey!

hf


Thanks. Most people feel they are compelled to volunteer information to the police. You are not. Don't do it. Ever. They will try to use punk tactics to trip you up and use any information they glean against you. . They will even try and befriend you. The police are not your friends.

One time I was pulled over for speeding (there was a time in my life when every time I was stopped it was a felony stop but that's a different story) the cop says step over here son-right in front of his cop car camera.

He starts asking me questions like have you been drinking? (I had not).

I said lemme get this straight you want me to testify against myself in front of your police camera?

Bwhahahaahahaahaha. laughed in his face.

He was not amused. Tough shit.

That's all I said produced the id and insurance.

Don't fall for their bullshit folks.
 Quoting: Omega


Good for you! Yeah they try anything they can.

I have a story for ya...I was living on the rez a few years ago and I was having a party.

Well the state police got to the scene before the marshal's did. They tried to get in my house...I would not let them past the little door entrance we had and the funny shit was my BF at the time had his gun out on the table it was not completely noticeable but I guess they saw it...anyway they were asking me all these questions like ms do you have a gun in the house? I was like a gun? No gun... They they asked me some other bullshit questions and again they asked about the gun. I said no again. There was nothing they could do. They weren't coming in my house and they knew it...yeah I had the gun out and they saw it but oh well.....It seems like to me anyway...the police act differently when they are on the reservations. Just my observation.


hf
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Always a good idea,

especially when drunk,

ESPECIALLY when drunk driving.

I got a DUI 9 years ago. I gave them only the info that was on my Drivers License, and refused any sobriety tests. That resulted in an automatic 1 year license suspension. Other than that, I got off easier than anyone else that was in court on the same day as I was, and I was able to get my work permit drivers license restored after 30 days.

Giving them no evidence got me the lowest fine, shortest probation, and fewest hours of community service of any DUI sentence issued that day.

I think it also helped that I showed up to court in my best suit and called the judge Sir, as opposed to wearing baggy jeans, a sideways ball cap, and being a disrespectful tard to the judge, like most of the other morons that were there.
 Quoting: Evil Twin



Suit + sideways baseball cap = you would have walked.
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Stand up for yourself - don't let fear control you - it results in a happy life - even under the most miserable circumstances !
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To late,I already told them it was you.Sorry peace
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Well you got that right... only goes against someone as they beocme the witness. then they could become the target if the rest collapses around their story for someone else.

I ain't gonna be a rat either.

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Stand up for yourself - don't let fear control you - it results in a happy life - even under the most miserable circumstances !
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 496282


Correct.


Be a belligerent claimant.



ONLY BELLIGERENTS HAVE RIGHTS

The individual Rights guaranteed by our Constitution can be compromised or ignored by our government. For example, in US. vs.Johnson (76 Fed Supp. 538), Federal District Court Judge James Alger Fee ruled that,

"The privilege against self-incrimination is neither accorded to the passive resistant, nor to the person who is ignorant of his rights, nor to one indifferent thereto. It is a FIGHTING clause. It's benefits can be retained only by sustained COMBAT. It cannot be claimed by attorney or solicitor. It is valid only when insisted npon by a BELLIGERENT claimant in person." McAlister vs. Henkel, 201 U.S. 90, 26 S.Ct. 385, 50 L. Ed. 671; Commonwealth vs. Shaw, 4 Cush. 594, 50 Am.Dec. 813; Orum vs. State, 38 Ohio App. 171, 175 N.E. 876. The one who is persuaded by honeyed words or moral suasion to testify or produce documents rather than make a last ditch stand, simply loses the protection. . . . He must refuse to answer or produce, and test the matter in contempt proceedings, or by habeas corpus." [Emphasis added]



Rock ON people!!!!
Handguns are a skill; shotguns an art; rifles a science.
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Democracy is two wolves and a sheep voting on whats for dinner.

Disarmament is the precursor to Genocide.

Better to take action now rather than chances later. Your choice.
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thanks for the sober reminder he he

Am I free to go? thank you officer

you are THE MAN bro
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Suit + sideways baseball cap = you would have walked.
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LOL

I'll take your word for it, as I don't plan on testing my luck again!
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Ignorance and Fear is how these guys get away with what they are doing.
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Two of the most important videos out there!


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"Don't Talk to the Police" by Professor James Duane




[link to video.google.com]
"Don't Talk to the Police" by Officer George Bruch
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Suit + sideways baseball cap = you would have walked.

LOL

I'll take your word for it, as I don't plan on testing my luck again!
 Quoting: Evil Twin


I'll take his word for it too.:>)

Last Edited by Omega on 05/22/2009 03:05 PM
Handguns are a skill; shotguns an art; rifles a science.
_____________________________________
Democracy is two wolves and a sheep voting on whats for dinner.

Disarmament is the precursor to Genocide.

Better to take action now rather than chances later. Your choice.
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for that crap about refusing to take responsibility for dui. and he call it 'republic is lost'. what a fuck!
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Must see vids - Never talk to cops!

[link to www.youtube.com]

[link to www.youtube.com]

Also, make sure to show you kids who drive!
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thanks for the sober reminder he he

Am I free to go? thank you officer

you are THE MAN bro
 Quoting: Avian


Thanks. Many say am I under arrest?

Don't plant ideas in their tiny little minds.

It's always AM I FREE TO GO?

Last Edited by Omega on 05/22/2009 03:06 PM
Handguns are a skill; shotguns an art; rifles a science.
_____________________________________
Democracy is two wolves and a sheep voting on whats for dinner.

Disarmament is the precursor to Genocide.

Better to take action now rather than chances later. Your choice.
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Two of the most important videos out there!

[link to video.google.com]
"Don't Talk to the Police" by Professor James Duane

[link to video.google.com]
"Don't Talk to the Police" by Officer George Bruch
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Good post, AC! ohyeah
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its going to be so fucking funny omega when you try and act like a punk with the cops and they beat your stupid ass to a pulp.


Never happened biatch.

They have a tendency to back the fuck up when they run into someone with my intellectual capacity and knowledge of the law.

Of course I don't get belligerent with them just back them into a corner with their own bullshit.

Oh and BTW.

Fuck off.
 Quoting: Omega



Yep, also helps to talk slow and precise, they wont know what to do, they are so used to people going off the hook they don't know how to react to a smart person.
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One time I was walking down the road and a cop car pulled up to me and asked me my name and where I lived. I said "with a due respect officer, I do not want to talk to you" and I kept walking as he had the strangest look on his face.

SO I get up a little further down the road and another cop from the same town pulls over and asked me my name and where I live. Once again I told him that I did not want to speak to him.

So now this cop gets pretty pissed off and jumps out of his car and demands that I put my hands on the hood of the patraoll car.

I ask him if I am being arrested or detained. He says "No".

So I say, "See you later"

As I start walking he grabs me and says "now you are being detained" I said "For what"?

"For not telling me your name and where you live"

I said, "What is this NAzi Germany"....

Then he let me go.. and as I was walking away... he said "YOur not right"!!!!

Yeahh... ok.
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its going to be so fucking funny omega when you try and act like a punk with the cops and they beat your stupid ass to a pulp.


Never happened biatch.

They have a tendency to back the fuck up when they run into someone with my intellectual capacity and knowledge of the law.

Of course I don't get belligerent with them just back them into a corner with their own bullshit.

Oh and BTW.

Fuck off.
 Quoting: Omega


i envy the cop who gets to stick their foot thru your skull. i bet all the BOOLLITS that youve collected wont do you any good when you are screaming like a bitch with 50,000 volts going through your decrepit body. please take your camcorder along so we can all watch and enjoy.
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Two of the most important videos out there!


"Don't Talk to the Police" by Officer George Bruch
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 670454



:5:
Handguns are a skill; shotguns an art; rifles a science.
_____________________________________
Democracy is two wolves and a sheep voting on whats for dinner.

Disarmament is the precursor to Genocide.

Better to take action now rather than chances later. Your choice.
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its also good to keep the good stuff in a deep hole....make sure the flys dont dite your asss..........
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its going to be so fucking funny omega when you try and act like a punk with the cops and they beat your stupid ass to a pulp.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 685109


hahahahahahaa...thats funny....mostly because it likely happened to you you fucken pole smoker....





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