Why God Allows Suffering Here, the REAL Answer

The Bible is full of passages about the coming of the Christ specialy the book of Isaias is full of prophecies in reference to Him, how do you account for that?

Last Edited by Uriel on 06/06/2009 03:48 AM

When talking about the "aids" of Lucifer, I am talking about demons.


You could say that they are the group of lower vibrational entities who wilfully lowered their vibrations for the purpose of doing their job. They are enlightened, in the know, they know what they are doing and that they are assisting god.
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Yes, some are getting angry at humans.

Do you know why?
No you don't.

It's because most humans believe, spread and talk shit about them being bad and being against god... when they are actually bleeding their ass doing all the dirty low vibrational job for them.



It's as if you told the parents of a child who has been kidnapped that you believe that in fact, they killed their child. Now imagine if someone important told this complete bullshit about those parents on the national TV. Their frustration would probably make them want this person's death or something like that, more than if it had been someone that nobody knows who told that same bullshit to some other nobodys.


So yeah, some are getting angry. Oh, maybe are they the fallen ones people keep talking about? Someone told me something someday that not necessarily made sense, but that still got me thinking. He said "Satan is Lucifer's ego".





Some other are just humans like us who fell into lower vibrations. They are mostly the ones who are haunting houses, annoying people. Indeed, some are more powerful than others... like in everything else. They are not enlightened and they don't know what they're doing. They are the ones who are the most likely to hurt people, since they are not doing god's will, not being in the know.

Why does everyone think god is a male?

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LOL so God curses?

What an awful god you have, a god that doesn't have our well-being at heart.




Your understanding of reality sucks hard and makes as much sense as a pink invisible unicorn. That's sad.




Let me tell you this. If you cannot see that sufferings are good for you, you are retarded.
Let me tell you another thing. You won't be able to convince anyone who understands that sufferings are good, that sufferings are bad. They will just see how much clueless you are and that everything else you spew is most likely as much clueless.

Because you cannot undo knowledge recognized over ignorance.

680773, That's because the Lord refers to Himself and our Father as male in the bible.



Mat 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

In French, we use masculine pronouns when talking about someone of undetermined gender or of a group of people of mixed gender.


I was told that there is no such a thing in English as "using the masculine pronoun by default"
And I think that "it" is used for inanimate things so...


So really, I don't know.

Had our history been based on matriarchal systems, it would have been the opposite.

Yeah right so freewill causes :


Meteorite strikes
Hurricanes
Accidents
Illnesses
etc.



Riiiiight.



Sense you make not.

Sorry but yes. Yes those things happen for the sake of gaining experience. The trick here is just that our consciousness of things while embodied and our consciousness of things while not embodied is very different.

What's telling you that it's too harsh to be for the sake of gaining experience is your mind and the fact that you misunderstand reality.
Reality is that people's body and mind are being raped, killed, tortured, while their soul is being enriched. There is simply nothing that can be fatal to your soul so absolutely everything that happen here serve as learning purposes.

They changed the word "learning" for "testing" to be able to put some fear bullshit in the Bible.

Okay I know now what you didn't get yet.

I assure you, it won't be a big deal to understand for you and once you'll get it, the Buddhist teachings about desires and attachments will fit in your picture as something right.


May I suggest you a read : The constancy of the wise men by Seneca the Young.

And hum... to explain it shortly

Detachment and end of desires come by themselves when you get that you won't get anything by being attached to things and by desiring things. You cannot wilfully kill your attachments nor kill your desires, doing so would be to attach yourself to attachment and desire to not have any desire.


Meditation is the way to get to that point where you are completely in the now, conscious of the now and of yourself. It's a state called "fullness".

When you are in that state of fullness, I assure you that no desire nor any attachment will be able to stick to you.



There is that Osho Zen Tarot card that explains it so well... I wish I could find it.


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Turning inwards is not a turning at all. Going inwards is not a going at all. Turning inwards simply means that you have been running after this desire and that, and you have been running and running and you have been coming again and again to frustration.That each desire brings misery, that there is no fulfillment through desire. That you never reach anywhere, that contentment is impossible. Seeing this truth, that running after desires takes you nowhere, you stop. Not that you make any effort to stop. If you make any effort to stop it is again running, in a subtle way. You are still desiring--maybe now it is desirelessness that you desire. If you are making an effort to go in, you are still going out. Any effort can only take you out, outwards. All journeys are outward journeys, there is no inward journey. How can you journey inwards? You are already there, there is no point in going. When going stops, journeying disappears; when desiring is no more clouding your mind, you are in. This is called turning in. But it is not a turning at all, it is simply not going out.

Last Edited by Whee! 8D on 06/06/2009 05:16 AM

for saxon(777) for truth .thank you .

Op thats not the way I see it.

Pain and suffering are a result of separation and forgetfulness of your real self. Pain and suffering are the catalist which pushes you back toward the discover of your true self.

When you suffer enough pain you start looking for answers in the right places. Not outside of yourself.

I find the opposite of what you have stated to actually be true. The closer one comes to an understanding of the true self the less suffering there is. And understanding usually happens with older souls, not young ones. Peace.

Yeah well a fictitious history based upon matriarchal systems has nothing to do with it.



Mat 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:


This picture from the Denver Airport Masonic death murals shows how some people fancy it to be.



And this picture shows how it is all going to end up...

There is suffering, suffering has a cause, this cause can be dissolved, there is a path leading to this end of suffering.

Peace

You must seriously feel low and shitty to feel the need to instill fear in each and every one of your posts with your tracts and all your laughable and funny stock.



Is it because you are jealous of all the people who can live free, happy and fearlessly in the most complete peace of mind because they are not believing the same thing as you do that you try to make them comply, using fear, to the same unfree, unhappy and fearful life that you live to ensure that you won't go to hell?

Or are you conscious that you may find out after your death that you have been wrong and that you have wasted your life, so you are trying to make other people waste their life too so you will feel less shitty and stupid to have wasted your life over this?



I'm trying to get why you try so much to convert free and fearless people to slave and fearful people.

True... safe that it's not the opposite of what Saxon said.

I don't know if you both see how what you both say all fit in each other's picture...



Well, this separation and forgetfulness you are talking about is forced upon us when we incarnate by guess who and guess how, because we want to learn.


This separation and forgetfulness is the thing I think Saxon doesn't get yet and needs to integrate to his picture.

On the other hand, I think that what you need to understand is that without this learning terrain, forgetting and being separated from our own self would not be possible. :)

Who is to blame? Ultimately the Being that created the man with pride.

I do believe people make bad choices but you cannot discount that all choices are made as a product of our genetic make-up, upbringing and experiences, so ultimately man, him/herself, should not be held 'eternally' accountable when there are factors out of our control.

I don't believe suffering is necessary to improve one's self - jmo.

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Hi Saxon,


This idea reminds me of the notion that each of us, on some level, came 'equipped' by our Creator to overcome various forms of our limitations. Is this along those lines?

Thank you.

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