Why God Allows Suffering Here, the REAL Answer

I'm trying to get why you try so much to convert free and fearless people to slave and fearful people.

Hbr 9:27 And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:

So when Lucifer, I mean Jesus died on the cross and took all of the sins of the world what was his judgement?

Jesus was a sinner plain and simple and if you can't see the deception then you are truly deceived.


Jesus didn't die on the cross, as myths do not die. Nor do myths commit sin.

This is an interesting statement as Roman and other historians, who did not believe Jesus claim that He was God in the flesh, did indeed document that he was crucified. I myself could claim that the Roman or Greek empires did NOT really exist, but the fact that I am saying it loudly and boldly does not really make it true.

Well said, Saxxon, and I like the forge analogy.

If things were always perfect, why would anyone want to change? When things are crappy, people grow to try to change it. In this reality, the choice is made. As souls move higher, there is refinement as they walk further along their path, but the base decision is the same. What we are doing here is our first big step, and you could say its the hardest. Hopefully more people will wake up instead of stagnating for their whole lives, and make their choice!

The Book of Isaiah (written approx. 730 B.C.; see Wikepedia) Chp 53 Who has believed our report? And to whom has the arm of the Lord been revealed? For He shall grow up before Him as a tender plant, and as a root out of dry ground. He has no stately form or splendor; and when we see Him, there is no beauty that we should desire Him. He is despised and rejected by men, a man of sorrows and acquainted with grief. And we hide, as it were, our faces from Him; He was despised, and we did not esteem Him. Surely He has borne our griefs and carried our sorrows; yet we esteemed Him stricken, smitten by God, and afflicted. But He was pierced through for our iniquities; The chastisement for our peace was upon Him, and by His stripes we are healed. All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned, every one, to his own way; and the Lord has laid on Him the iniquity of us all. He was oppressed and He was afflicted, yet He opened not His mouth; He was led as a lamb to the slaughter, and as a sheep before its shearers is silent, so He opened not His mouth. He was taken from prison and from judgment, and who will declare His generation? For He was cut off from the land of the living; for the transgressions of My people He was stricken. And they made His grave with the wicked--but with the rich at His death, because He had done no violence, nor was any deceit in His mouth. Yet it pleased the Lord to bruise Him; He has put Him to grief. When You make His soul an offering for sin, He shall see His seed, He shall prolong His days, And the pleasure of the Lord shall prosper in His hand, He shall see the travail of His soul, and be satisfied. By His knowledge My righteous Servant shall justify many, for He shall bear their iniquities. Therefore I will divide Him a portion with the great, and He shall divide the spoil with the strong, because He poured out His soul unto death, and He was numbered with the transgressors, and He bore the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors." (This prophecy was written approx. 730 years before Christ came into this world and even unbelieving historians and scientists will confirm this). And the life of Christ is well documented, including accounts by Roman historians.


Well now, I suppose that depends upon whose interpretation you care to listen to now then doesn't it?

As for me, I prefer MY interpretation.


Isaiah 53

(1) Who will faithfully foster My doctrine for the women? (Divine Law, that governing the relationship between the eternally mated) From among those of the charge (those of the charge, the original “watchers” and above who originally tended this the “vineyard” the place where new spirits are rotated to “mature”) , who, of the strength of the Self Existent One, will discover and ascend up in My presence as the tender plant that was rooted in the parched desert (desert, the result of the “rebellion” in which the eternally mated “caught fire” and ultimately spread their “doctrine” to the nations of their charge) among the nations? Without beautiful form nor magnificence he will appear and advise. Without his beautiful appearance that they lust after, they will despise his frailty. This extant man (extant beings are those of the Kingdom outside of this place, they are the “eternals”) is an extant man of pain and

(3) affliction, he is a familiar friend of his kinsfolk who knows grief and malady. They will hide their faces because they despise him. Those who cunningly plotted without faithfulness are the women who exacted his malady and burdened him with sorrow, those of ourselves who cunningly plotted to strike this Magistrate (those “gods” of the Kingdom, those in charge of the “vineyard”) with affliction.

(5) She, herself, his own, bored him to dissolution (bored to dissolution, i.e. disregarded the “wall” of separation for their mated covenant of eternity) because of the rebellion. She crushed him with her perversity. The doctrine of prosperity (Lucifer’s version of creation) among those having his charge bound him with the wounds of

(6) their giants (those Nephilim halfbreed “great men”) of the dead. All of My flock (His Magistrates of the Kingdom) has been seduced, turning My extant men to their ways and customs. (Lucifer’s religion of superiority of body and mind) I, The Self Existent One, have made intercession between them for their perversity of all of those exacting their distress by lying with these women who now look down on the submitting of themselves and opening not their skirts. They have been carried away in pomp as ewes to be butchered for their meat. These ewes journeyed at the prospect as purposed to be destroyed by their enemies. From their bonds and bounds they have broken forth without their skirts to

(8) mingle themselves among My ruling Magistrates (hey, all women desire the greatest men) because they have determined this their “privilege”…..that….”whoever they announce will commune with them in their dwelling because we have decreed the dividing from among the nations”. (decided that flesh nations were theirs for the taking) They are likened unto a company of wild beasts. Because of this rebellion, My flock is now inflicted with spots. (part “angelic, part human flesh)

(9) I will cast them into the burying places among the wicked, (the “pit”) among those of means for whom they accumulated in Hades. (no kidding, they bore children for those condemned to the pit) Because these committed these acts, when none had done them violence, nor deceived them for the assent of their skirts, I, The Self Existent One, will take pleasure in crushing them with the afflictions that they had determined for their appointed ones. (appointed ones, those He creates as eternally mated as only He could do) In the desolation of their punishment, they will see the fruitfulness of My children during their drawn out lengthy suffering season and those who delighted in Me, The Self Existent One, will flow mightily over them in power. They will see this so that the pain and sorrow of their hearts will be satisfied with the knowledge that My just bond servants have been given justice. (His justice ultimately is focused on those who crushed their own “soul mates”, heartlessly) The mighty plenteous princes of these women will be

(12) burdened for their perversity. (Those these “whores” ran to because they perceived them to be “greater”) Rightly, I will take away the portion of these plenteous princes who divided My apportionments with their smooth flattery and preying with their great strength. In the bottom beneath, for as much, I will spread out their naked bodies in Hades and these women will be numbered among them who broke away in the rebellion. They will bear the penalty of the grievous crimes of these plenteous princes that they ran to meet and lay with when they broke away during the rebellion.

Your listings 1 thru 12 are indeed a grouping of words....... but that is the only thing that it shares in common with the Book of Isaiah.

Wow Saxon, much misunderstanding about Lucifer.



Lucifer and his aids are just doing their job of creating painful experiences for us to go through to grow up.

Neither he or anybody fell, they volunteered.

Sorry but this thing AC is talking about is not even something that can be argued about. It's psychology and common sense.

I'd like you to tell me how can anyone suffer without desire and attachment to anything.

I never heard of this Creator "OTOH"...there is only one God,..the God that created the Universe and all it contains...and His Son Jesus Christ the redeemer of us all.


Oh, Creator On The Other Hand is the real Creator unlike the stand alone "father" you've been lied to concerning.

If this creation doesn't point out the fallacy of that lopsided notion, then nothing will, as EVERYTHING which lives is a product of BOTH male AND female, and such is True of our Creator as well since such is the very foundation of Love itself.

Gender isn't just some fanciful good feeling good time temporary mortal design, it spans the Heavens right up into the throneS of BOTH our Mother AND Father Creator.

So, when you find anything worth talking about that's alive which is outside of this design, give us a call.


Tell me, how you became to know the god you proclaim and the veracity of it?. What makes you think what you know is truth and the others a falacy?

Please explain


Actually, a good part of the kingdom picture I know I originally saw when I spent thousands of hours re-translating the ancient Hebrew back in the day. The Psalms are the key to understanding the symbolics of the other books.

But honestly, I could write multiple books going over where I've been and how I've arrived at the conclusions I have. In any regard how I got here is not nearly as important as WHERE I am, a position that just happens to EASILY answer ALL the so called "hard" questions.

That's a VERY good indication that I've "got it right".


That is the reason I asked, because it is exceedingly important as you try to undermine the translations of our forefathers and so many scholars for almost 2000 years.

Actualy you should write those books, so they can be compared and analized by those who know the original scriptures.

Does it mean you are not sure?....and how does one quote someone that does not exist?

The times of suffering can be traced to being man made.
Through bad diet, pollution in the air etc.
Bad DNA between 2 parents who should've had genetic tests before marrying and breeding.

And as for death. Well we are all going to die.
we all live on a planet with gravity which puts stress on our organs over time.
We get old, we die if we don't die from some man made disease before hand.
As for accidents , human stupidity.

How can suffering be blamed on God?
Blame man.

I never heard of this Creator "OTOH"...there is only one God,..the God that created the Universe and all it contains...and His Son Jesus Christ the redeemer of us all.


Oh, Creator On The Other Hand is the real Creator unlike the stand alone "father" you've been lied to concerning.

If this creation doesn't point out the fallacy of that lopsided notion, then nothing will, as EVERYTHING which lives is a product of BOTH male AND female, and such is True of our Creator as well since such is the very foundation of Love itself.

Gender isn't just some fanciful good feeling good time temporary mortal design, it spans the Heavens right up into the throneS of BOTH our Mother AND Father Creator.

So, when you find anything worth talking about that's alive which is outside of this design, give us a call.


Tell me, how you became to know the god you proclaim and the veracity of it?. What makes you think what you know is truth and the others a falacy?

Please explain


Actually, a good part of the kingdom picture I know I originally saw when I spent thousands of hours re-translating the ancient Hebrew back in the day. The Psalms are the key to understanding the symbolics of the other books.

But honestly, I could write multiple books going over where I've been and how I've arrived at the conclusions I have. In any regard how I got here is not nearly as important as WHERE I am, a position that just happens to EASILY answer ALL the so called "hard" questions.

That's a VERY good indication that I've "got it right".


That is the reason I asked, because it is exceedingly important as you try to undermine the translations of our forefathers and so many scholars for almost 2000 years.

Actualy you should write those books, so they can be compared and analized by those who know the original scriptures.


All of my work has been faithfully posted now for around 5 years for anyone to say what they will about any of it. To date no one has even attempted.

If you want to believe the greatest liars this world has ever known, the "chosen" of Lucifer, you go right ahead, and as usual they'll be laughing at your foolish gullibility.

I however, care to find the Truth while you apparently only care to find what makes you "feel good".

Desire is not the source of suffering but rather just the target. Suffering is not "bad", but rather a tool to improvement here. Therefore eliminating desire and ego is but a lame attempt to sidestep the lessons of this place, something which guarantees your return, just like your lying king likes.

The Bible is full of passages about the coming of the Christ specialy the book of Isaias is full of prophecies in reference to Him, how do you account for that?

Does it mean you are not sure?....and how does one quote someone that does not exist?


Words and meanings exist outside of any physical body. You and I can NEVER "know" where or who said these things, but are left to ascertain the Truth of what is True and what is a lie.

Your gripping the skirts of the Rabbinical liars will get you nowhere, as I can posts endless quotes from that group admitting that they are LYING to you witless "goyim" to put you under the thumb of their "people".

However, I have myself, and you and many others from which to draw information that is not being admittedly falsified, and in such does one Truly "overcome the Beast" of Lucifer here. Surly one will NEVER over come the Beast while suckling from the teats of the same beast as do you.

When talking about the "aids" of Lucifer, I am talking about demons.


You could say that they are the group of lower vibrational entities who wilfully lowered their vibrations for the purpose of doing their job. They are enlightened, in the know, they know what they are doing and that they are assisting god.
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Yes, some are getting angry at humans.

Do you know why?
No you don't.

It's because most humans believe, spread and talk shit about them being bad and being against god... when they are actually bleeding their ass doing all the dirty low vibrational job for them.



It's as if you told the parents of a child who has been kidnapped that you believe that in fact, they killed their child. Now imagine if someone important told this complete bullshit about those parents on the national TV. Their frustration would probably make them want this person's death or something like that, more than if it had been someone that nobody knows who told that same bullshit to some other nobodys.


So yeah, some are getting angry. Oh, maybe are they the fallen ones people keep talking about? Someone told me something someday that not necessarily made sense, but that still got me thinking. He said "Satan is Lucifer's ego".





Some other are just humans like us who fell into lower vibrations. They are mostly the ones who are haunting houses, annoying people. Indeed, some are more powerful than others... like in everything else. They are not enlightened and they don't know what they're doing. They are the ones who are the most likely to hurt people, since they are not doing god's will, not being in the know.

Why does everyone think god is a male?

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bad use of freewill


Careless, reckless, thoughtless abuse of free will!



Yeah right so freewill causes :


Meteorite strikes
Hurricanes
Accidents
Illnesses
etc.



Riiiiight.



Sense you make not.

Sorry but yes. Yes those things happen for the sake of gaining experience. The trick here is just that our consciousness of things while embodied and our consciousness of things while not embodied is very different.

What's telling you that it's too harsh to be for the sake of gaining experience is your mind and the fact that you misunderstand reality.
Reality is that people's body and mind are being raped, killed, tortured, while their soul is being enriched. There is simply nothing that can be fatal to your soul so absolutely everything that happen here serve as learning purposes.

Okay I know now what you didn't get yet.

I assure you, it won't be a big deal to understand for you and once you'll get it, the Buddhist teachings about desires and attachments will fit in your picture as something right.


May I suggest you a read : The constancy of the wise men by Seneca the Young.

And hum... to explain it shortly

Detachment and end of desires come by themselves when you get that you won't get anything by being attached to things and by desiring things. You cannot wilfully kill your attachments nor kill your desires, doing so would be to attach yourself to attachment and desire to not have any desire.


Meditation is the way to get to that point where you are completely in the now, conscious of the now and of yourself. It's a state called "fullness".

When you are in that state of fullness, I assure you that no desire nor any attachment will be able to stick to you.



There is that Osho Zen Tarot card that explains it so well... I wish I could find it.