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Abortion Doctor Slayer Warns of Conspiracy! Justice Dept Investigates

 
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Abortion Doctor Slayer Warns of Conspiracy! Justice Dept Investigates
Dr. Tiller slayer informs authorities that coordinated conspiracy against abortion clinics underway.

A Justice Department spokesman said the threat was being taken seriously and additional protection had been ordered for abortion clinics last week. But a leader of the anti-abortion movement derided the accused shooter as "a fruit and a lunatic."

Suspect in abortion doctor death warns of violence
By ROXANA HEGEMAN
The Associated Press
Sunday, June 7, 2009; 5:33 PM
[link to www.washingtonpost.com]

They should really handle this as a terrorist threat IMO

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"The Justice Department launched a federal probe Friday into whether the killing of a Kansas abortion doctor was part of a larger plot involving multiple accomplices."

Department of Justice Opens Federal Probe Into Kansas Abortion Doctor's Murder
[link to www.foxnews.com]
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Now you're believing crazy people?
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Now you're believing crazy people?
 Quoting: Turtles Know

Yes, those crazy, silly federal investigators.

Why aren't they investigating more practical things with Justice Dept. resources, like trying to prove the bible stories are true?
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Now you're believing crazy people?

Yes, those crazy, silly federal investigators.

Why aren't they investigating more practical things with Justice Dept. resources, like trying to prove the bible stories are true?
 Quoting: Andromeda



They're going on the ramblings of a mad man.
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Now you're believing crazy people?

Yes, those crazy, silly federal investigators.

Why aren't they investigating more practical things with Justice Dept. resources, like trying to prove the bible stories are true?


They're going on the ramblings of a mad man.
 Quoting: Turtles Know

Could be... wish there was more info.
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Here's a blub on some conspiracy group affiliation with anti-abortion activism (from a left-wing blog):

"...AMY GOODMAN: We’re also joined by Democracy Now! video stream by the senior analyst at Political Research Associates, Chip Berlet, joining us from Boston, co-author of Right-Wing Populism in America: Too Close for Comfort and editor of Eyes Right!: Challenging the Right Wing Backlash.

You begin your piece, Chip, with "The anti-abortion movement harbors within it a subculture of militant activists who believe the slogan, ‘If abortion is murder, then act like it.’" Explain how this fits into this picture.

CHIP BERLET: Well, it’s essentially the same thing that Fred’s been saying. It has to do with the fact that there is this social movement, this overlapping network of social movements, that the anti-abortion activists in the 1990s began to merge into—and in both directions, merge into—the patriot and armed militia movement, move into the tax protest movement, and move into the white supremacist movement. And it became a very broad network of people with a wide range of ideas.

But a social movement provides for institutional support, in a sense. So, as Fred says, there are safe houses. We know that Roeder was involved in the sovereign citizen movement, like the Freemen. It’s not clear at all that he was a Freeman. But the term here is being used to talk about this package of views. They’re not really anti-government; they’re anti-equality, they’re anti-civil rights. It’s a movement that has a white supremacist understanding of the Constitution as amended. And this network, which is—the umbrella term would be the patriot movement, has all of this set of support. They have radio programs that talk about their line. You know, there’s members of Congress that parrot this line.

And it’s sometimes secular; it’s often religious. It’s totally awash with conspiracy theories about a new world order or a North American union or Obama is selling us out to UN tyranny. And the religious side is this apocalyptic understanding that argues that the Second Coming of Christ is being held up by sin in America, and the two major sins are the provision of abortion to women and gay rights...."



Beware the Lone Nut Theory of Tiller's Murder
by Frederick Clarkson
Wed Jun 03, 2009 at 12:14:56 PM PDT
[link to www.dailykos.com]

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Now you're believing crazy people?

Yes, those crazy, silly federal investigators.

Why aren't they investigating more practical things with Justice Dept. resources, like trying to prove the bible stories are true?



They're going on the ramblings of a mad man.
 Quoting: Turtles Know

Hmmm, based on some sketchy narratives, doesn't sound like a "madman" but someone who was into the issues very deeply.

"...During the early Nineties, however, he started to change. He stopped paying taxes as some form of protest at the government and began to see dark conspiracy.

He also joined subversive sects, including The Freemen, a quasi-religious cult based in the wilds of Montana who declared themselves outside all authority, and in 1996 were involved in an armed siege when the FBI surrounded their remote farmhouse seeking to arrest several members of the group. The stand-off lasted for 81 days, before the group surrendered.

In 1994, when Lindsey refused to listen to Roeder's rambling monologues - and would not open their home to his homeless friends - he walked out on her and their son Nicholas, now 23.

It was around this time an episode occurred which may have been the catalyst for Roeder's descent into violent anti-abortion activism.

During a U.S. TV interview this week, Lindsey mentioned that Roeder had been upset when he discovered that 'a friend' planned to terminate her pregnancy.

What she did not say, however, was that this unidentified friend was Roeder's lover - and that the baby she wished to abort was his.

Whether or not Roeder's unnamed girlfriend went ahead with the abortion we don't know, but the very possibility was enough to send him into a near-suicidal depression.

After he recovered, he joined anti-abortion groups such as Operation Rescue (whose leader Randall Terry described Dr Tiller this week as a 'mass murderer who reaped what he sowed') and embarked on his fateful crusade.

In 1996, he was jailed for two years after explosives were found in his car; a conviction later overturned on appeal because the police search was judged to have been unlawful.

And six years ago, staff at an abortion clinic in Kansas considered him such a menace that they reported him to the FBI, who took no action. He was caught attempting to glue door locks there a few days before the murder, but nothing was done.

By then, Roeder had found a new hate-figure: George Tiller. He was enraged by graphic internet accounts of Tiller's abortion procedures, which described how Tiller would stop the foetus's heart with a drug injected through the mother's abdomen, and then send the patient to a hotel, where she waited for up to two days until a stillbirth delivery was induced.

Last March, Roeder drove for four hours to Wichita to attend a court case involving the doctor. The evidence he heard there stoked his fury..."


A moral civil war: The truth is millions of Americans believe Dr 'Baby Killer' Tiller deserved to die
By David Jones
Last updated at 2:05 AM on 07th June 2009
[link to www.dailymail.co.uk]
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One more post on this, also unfortunately from DailyKos:

Scholar Carol Mason is the author of Killing for Life: The Apocalyptic Narrative of Pro-life Politics. She has written and essay that makes some important points:

Sunday's murder of Dr. George Tiller in Kansas raises again the question of what it means to defend life through killing. When militant antiabortionists began bombing clinics and shooting doctors in the 1980s and 1990s, law enforcement officials looked for some conspiracy among the perpetrators. They did not find one. What they needed to look for was a cultural explanation for how members of a movement dedicated to defending life began to kill for life. Dr. Tiller's assassination signals the return of an apocalyptic zeal that has lately been directed elsewhere.

So it is important to understand the power of apocalyptic thinking when it is grafted on top of anger, bigotry, and conspiracy theories that portray named scapegoats. The militant anti-abortion movement sees itself as defending God and country. While less militant anti-abortion activists express their horror at the assassination of Dr. Tiller, others express their delight and consider Tiller's death an act of justice and an offering to God.

According to Mason:

The late twentieth century rise of antiabortion violence grew out of a sense that America was severing its ties to God and all things good. To prolifers, abortion was a sign of national inhumanity and increasing antichristian barbarism. Racist prolifers argued that abortion was a bourgeoning Jewish-engineered industry geared toward a white Christian genocide and praised those who killed abortion providers.

Abortion, Apocalypse, and "Killing for Life"
by cberlet
Thu Jun 04, 2009 at 02:56:49 PM PDT
[link to www.dailykos.com]
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Did you hear about that muslim guy who shot two soldiers at a recruiting station
killing one of them?
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Congratulations! Christian Taliban

You are finally on the road to greater things..

maybe you can video the executions and make DVD's
and sell them on Sunday after Church.It's very popular in Northern Afghanistan.
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Did you hear about that muslim guy who shot two soldiers at a recruiting station
killing one of them?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 691474


So because they do it gives the Christians moral high ground to do it as well?
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Did you hear about that muslim guy who shot two soldiers at a recruiting station
killing one of them?


So because they do it gives the Christians moral high ground to do it as well?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 673016

Maybe by striking out at women and their clinics, these big men think they are striking a blow for Jesus and Christianity.

That figures... can't handle the A-rab terrorists, so the next best thing is turn around and start threatening women and womens' health care providers.

THAT is a typical bully mentality.
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givedamn shill
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:givedamn; :shill;
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Can't stand the fact that the feds might look into the anti-abortion crazies attacking women?
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:givedamn; :shill;

Can't stand the fact that the feds might look into the anti-abortion crazies attacking women?
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Its a waste of time, money and manpower to protect those who stick scissors in the backs of babies skulls and suck their brains out until their skull collapses.





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