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A telephone poll carried out from May 11 to 20, found Ahmadinejad consistantly running 20 points ahead of Mousavi

 
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A telephone poll carried out from May 11 to 20, found Ahmadinejad consistantly running 20 points ahead of Mousavi
This poll was conducted before the televised debates in which Ahmadinejad was perceived to have done well


Ahmadinejad won. Get over it
Flynt Leverett and Hilary Man Leverett – Poilitico.com June 15, 2009

Without any evidence, many U.S. politicians and “Iran experts” have dismissed Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad’s reelection Friday, with 62.6 percent of the vote, as fraud.

They ignore the fact that Ahmadinejad’s 62.6 percent of the vote in this year’s election is essentially the same as the 61.69 percent he received in the final count of the 2005 presidential election, when he trounced former President Ali Akbar Hashemi Rafsanjani. The shock of the “Iran experts” over Friday’s results is entirely self-generated, based on their preferred assumptions and wishful thinking.

Although Iran’s elections are not free by Western standards, the Islamic Republic has a 30-year history of highly contested and competitive elections at the presidential, parliamentary and local levels. Manipulation has always been there, as it is in many other countries.

But upsets occur — as, most notably, with Mohammed Khatami’s surprise victory in the 1997 presidential election. Moreover, “blowouts” also occur — as in Khatami’s reelection in 2001, Ahmadinejad’s first victory in 2005 and, we would argue, this year.

Like much of the Western media, most American “Iran experts” overstated Mir Hossein Mousavi’s “surge” over the campaign’s final weeks. More important, they were oblivious — as in 2005 — to Ahmadinejad’s effectiveness as a populist politician and campaigner. American “Iran experts” missed how Ahmadinejad was perceived by most Iranians as having won the nationally televised debates with his three opponents — especially his debate with Mousavi.

Before the debates, both Mousavi and Ahmadinejad campaign aides indicated privately that they perceived a surge of support for Mousavi; after the debates, the same aides concluded that Ahmadinejad’s provocatively impressive performance and Mousavi’s desultory one had boosted the incumbent’s standing. Ahmadinejad’s charge that Mousavi was supported by Rafsanjani’s sons — widely perceived in Iranian society as corrupt figures — seemed to play well with voters.

Similarly, Ahmadinejad’s criticism that Mousavi’s reformist supporters, including Khatami, had been willing to suspend Iran’s uranium enrichment program and had won nothing from the West for doing so tapped into popular support for the program — and had the added advantage of being true.

More fundamentally, American “Iran experts” consistently underestimated Ahmadinejad’s base of support. Polling in Iran is notoriously difficult; most polls there are less than fully professional and, hence, produce results of questionable validity. But the one poll conducted before Friday’s election by a Western organization that was transparent about its methodology — a telephone poll carried out by the Washington-based Terror-Free Tomorrow from May 11 to 20 — found Ahmadinejad running 20 points ahead of Mousavi. This poll was conducted before the televised debates in which, as noted above, Ahmadinejad was perceived to have done well while Mousavi did poorly.

American “Iran experts” assumed that “disastrous” economic conditions in Iran would undermine Ahmadinejad’s reelection prospects. But the International Monetary Fund projects that Iran’s economy will actually grow modestly this year (when the economies of most Gulf Arab states are in recession). A significant number of Iranians — including the religiously pious, lower-income groups, civil servants and pensioners — appear to believe that Ahmadinejad’s policies have benefited them.

And, while many Iranians complain about inflation, the TFT poll found that most Iranian voters do not hold Ahmadinejad responsible. The “Iran experts” further argue that the high turnout on June 12 — 82 percent of the electorate — had to favor Mousavi. But this line of analysis reflects nothing more than assumptions.

Some “Iran experts” argue that Mousavi’s Azeri background and “Azeri accent” mean that he was guaranteed to win Iran’s Azeri-majority provinces; since Ahmadinejad did better than Mousavi in these areas, fraud is the only possible explanation.

But Ahmadinejad himself speaks Azeri quite fluently as a consequence of his eight years serving as a popular and successful official in two Azeri-majority provinces; during the campaign, he artfully quoted Azeri and Turkish poetry — in the original — in messages designed to appeal to Iran’s Azeri community. (And we should not forget that the supreme leader is Azeri.) The notion that Mousavi was somehow assured of victory in Azeri-majority provinces is simply not grounded in reality.
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Re: A telephone poll carried out from May 11 to 20, found Ahmadinejad consistantly running 20 points ahead of Mousavi
yup. the zionistas were the ones manipulating the aftermath.
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Re: A telephone poll carried out from May 11 to 20, found Ahmadinejad consistantly running 20 points ahead of Mousavi
yup. the zionistas were the ones manipulating the aftermath.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 609027

I am, not a complete friend of Ahmadinejad but my take is that they cannot fabricate a lead of 63 to 36 percent even if their were some irregularities.

It all reeks after a western attempt to create reasons for a later military intervention.
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Re: A telephone poll carried out from May 11 to 20, found Ahmadinejad consistantly running 20 points ahead of Mousavi
How do you know this telephone poll was a representative sample?
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Re: A telephone poll carried out from May 11 to 20, found Ahmadinejad consistantly running 20 points ahead of Mousavi
How can you be so sure when they declared Ahmadinejad the
winner only one hour after the polls had closed?
40
million ballots, most of them had to be hand counted! It
just isn't possible to do that quick. Even their Supreme
Leader has ordered a review of the votes. Now why would
he bother if everything was on the up and up? Why would
they restrict access to their own citizens to communications
with each other? Why is Rafsanjani supporting the opposition
now? Many members of the old 79 revolution bunch are showing
their support for Mousavi.

There is something very rotten going on with the religious
dictatorship of Iran. 8 of their Iranian National soccer
team know it and wore green armbands in solidarity. This
time it isn't just students that can be easily repressed like
they did in 99. This time it's the people of Iran who are
protesting.

Why would they bother photoshopping images of support for
Ahmadinejad if he won so handily? [link to digg.com]

You don't see a problem here?
 Quoting: DrPostman

Why not if he had a lead then already that resembled the end result? 'Declaring' the winner should have meant the forecasting likely at that time not actually declaring. We all have heard of earlier translation difficulties from Farsi into English, isn't it?

As I said I cannot imagine that almost a third of the votes were counted on the wrong side to make such a huge lead ...

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How can you be so sure when they declared Ahmadinejad the
winner only one hour after the polls had closed? 40
million ballots, most of them had to be hand counted!

...

You don't see a problem here?
 Quoting: DrPostman


In 2007, Mr Howard conceded defeat in the Australian Federal election just 2 1/2 hours after polls had closed in the Western States.

Australia has approximately 20 million people so there would have been quite a few votes to count there too. I've never seen an electronic ballot box so I'm pretty sure all of our votes are paper.

When the result is obvious, it's obvious. Right from the get go. When the opinion polls say one thing, and then initial counting says exactly the same thing, the writing is on the wall.

Or am I wrong and you guys are still on your way here to contest our November 2007 election on behalf of old Arse-Licker Howard ?

[link to www.theage.com.au]

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Why not if he had a lead then already that resembled the end result? 'Declaring' the winner should have meant the forecasting likely at that time not actually declaring. We all have heard of earlier translation difficulties from Farsi into English, isn't it?

As I said I cannot imagine that almost a third of the votes were counted on the wrong side to make such a huge lead ...
 Quoting: FreeFlow


You don't get it, do you? The results were announced long before the Iranians had time to count even enough votes to determine who had likely one.

You cannot imagine .....? Well a lot of the rest of the world can, I can assure you.
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Re: A telephone poll carried out from May 11 to 20, found Ahmadinejad consistantly running 20 points ahead of Mousavi
I hadn't heard of this poll until it popped up on GLP in this thread: [link to www.godlikeproductions.com]

anybody else remember any MSM coverage on it?

"The poll was conducted by their nonprofit organizations -- Terror Free Tomorrow: The Center for Public Opinion and the American Strategy Program at the New America Foundation -- from May 11 to 20 and funded by the Rockefeller Brothers Fund." [link to thestar.com.my]

Could this be why?
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Ahmadinejad won the election fair and square. That is the truth. Some people just can't handle the truth!
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Ahmadinejad won the election fair and square. That is the truth. Some people just can't handle the truth!
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Geez imagine the furor if he stuffs up the oath to office.
Has anyone else noticed this elephant in the lounge room ?

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How do you know this telephone poll was a representative sample?
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You don't see a problem here?


In 2007, Mr Howard conceded defeat in the Australian Federal election just 2 1/2 hours after polls had closed in the Western States.

Australia has approximately 20 million people so there would have been quite a few votes to count there too. I've never seen an electronic ballot box so I'm pretty sure all of our votes are paper.

When the result is obvious, it's obvious. Right from the get go. When the opinion polls say one thing, and then initial counting says exactly the same thing, the writing is on the wall.

Or am I wrong and you guys are still on your way here to contest our November 2007 election on behalf of old Arse-Licker Howard ?

[link to www.theage.com.au]
 Quoting: Elephant Worker

Of course they must apply the other side of the double standard on Iran.
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How do you know this telephone poll was a representative sample?


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Maybe the Rockefeller mouthpieces couldn't find (or cook-up) a more manageable finding.
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How can you be so sure when they declared Ahmadinejad the
winner only one hour after the polls had closed? 40
million ballots, most of them had to be hand counted! It
just isn't possible to do that quick.
...
 Quoting: DrPostman

you're not that stupid, you know perfectly well the standard deviation of the mean goes as 1 / sqrt(n), so i f count 1000 you know the results to within a few percent

this is the same principle that polling is based on

all polling workers in iran had to do was shufflle the ballots before they began counting, to remove any biasing due to counting of early/late ballots, and after a station counted the first thousand, report it to a central tabulator

the tabulator saw Ahmadenijad ahead 2 to 1 with a 3 percent margin of error, so they predicgted he had won

you KNOW this ... so why are you playing the neocon schill?
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... you know perfectly well the standard deviation of the mean goes as 1 / sqrt(n), so i f count 1000 you know the results to within a few percent

this is the same principle that polling is based on

all polling workers in iran had to do was shufflle the ballots before they began counting, to remove any biasing due to counting of early/late ballots, and after a station counted the first thousand, report it to a central tabulator

the tabulator saw Ahmadenijad ahead 2 to 1 with a 3 percent margin of error, so they predicted he had won

you KNOW this ... ...
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Exact!
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Freeflow, I don't like Ahmadinejad because he is mean. Not just to jews, but to homosexuals (agree with it or not, but please don't hang them for it)...

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Freeflow, I don't like Ahmadinejad because he is mean. Not just to jews, but to homosexuals (agree with it or not, but please don't hang them for it)...

 Quoting: Only Me

OM actually the Jews in Iran are living well and have no probs.
I don't like at all what the Iranian extreme religionists propose but to call the election rigged so that a 62/35 ratio is turned around is just not possible IMO.

We have to live with this ... the US should investigate their own die-bold fraud if they are out to seek the truth.

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Why not if he had a lead then already that resembled the end result? 'Declaring' the winner should have meant the forecasting likely at that time not actually declaring.
 Quoting: FreeFlow


Well then why do we have elections at all?

Why don't we just 'poll' a representative sample of the community to determine our officials?

Idiot.
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Well then why do we have elections at all?

Why don't we just 'poll' a representative sample of the community to determine our officials?

Idiot.
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Super strawman argument, pffffht ...
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Yea, a regular Potemkin Village when it comes to their small
number of Jews living there. But what about a larger minority,
the Baha'i? Why are they persecuted mercilessly? How do you
square their treatment with your kindly religious dictatorship?
 Quoting: DrPostman

It's clear you only read the first line of what you quoted there.
And I was responding to OM who said Ahmaj is treating the jews bad, just in case ...

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Yea, a regular Potemkin Village when it comes to their small
number of Jews living there. But what about a larger minority,
the Baha'i? Why are they persecuted mercilessly? How do you
square their treatment with your kindly religious dictatorship?

It's clear you only read the first line of what you quoted there.
And I was responding to OM who said Ahmaj is treating the jews bad, just in case ...
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Hope this AC doesn't mind if I take his telling post from another tread:
I think this article pretty much sums it up..

[link to www.globalresearch.ca]

Extract from article

Quote
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What is astonishing about the West’s universal condemnation of the electoral outcome as fraudulent is that not a single shred of evidence in either written or observational form has been presented either before or a week after the vote count. During the entire electoral campaign, no credible (or even dubious) charge of voter tampering was raised. As long as the Western media believed their own propaganda of an immanent victory for their candidate, the electoral process was described as highly competitive, with heated public debates and unprecedented levels of public activity and unhindered by public proselytizing. The belief in a free and open election was so strong that the Western leaders and mass media believed that their favored candidate would win.
'
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Freeflow,

Actually I'm inclined to agree with you on this one. Personally I could care less as they all hate Jews, but I do think that the majority voted for Ahmadinejad, who BTW is a madman.

You might find this of interest...




Zec 12:3 And in that day will I make Jerusalem a burdensome stone for all people: all that burden themselves with it shall be cut in pieces, though all the people of the earth be gathered together against it.
Psa 9:17 The wicked shall be turned into hell, [and] all the nations that forget God.
Jer 6:2 I have likened the daughter of Zion to a comely and delicate [woman].
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Check out the Kissinger thread, he said they needed regime change. That should tell you they tried to steal the election and FAILED. Of course everthing that the NWO does now FAILS.
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Check out the Kissinger thread, he said they needed regime change. That should tell you they tried to steal the election and FAILED. Of course everthing that the NWO does now FAILS.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 422489


Thread: ***KISSINGER THREATENS IRAN WITH REGIME CHANGE IF REVOLT FAILS***
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The truth hurts shills.

And everybody knows.

Your little twitter coup has failed...


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The tens of thousands of Iranians yelling from their rooftops
at night all through Iran is all the proof I need.

[link to www.youtube.com]


Just like they did during the 1979 revolution.
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Yeah sure, it's proof these are not happy with the result but for nothing else ...
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Freeflow,

Actually I'm inclined to agree with you on this one. Personally I could care less as they all hate Jews, but I do think that the majority voted for Ahmadinejad, who BTW is a madman.

You might find this of interest...


[link to www.youtube.com]
 Quoting: 9teen.47™

Will watch it later, thanks for this 9teen!
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Check out the Kissinger thread, he said they needed regime change. That should tell you they tried to steal the election and FAILED. Of course everthing that the NWO does now FAILS.


Thread: ***KISSINGER THREATENS IRAN WITH REGIME CHANGE IF REVOLT FAILS***
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 422489

How could they give themselves away so openly, lol?
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