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Educating kids after TSHTF

 
Duncan Kunz
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A K-5 Curriculum for Students in the Post-Carbon Era is the title of a paper written by two University of Arizona students under the aegis of Professor Guy McPherson, the original Peak Oil guy:

[link to countercurrents.org]

If you've ever wondered what kids should learn in a post-industrialized society, this has some great inputs.

Of course, it's pretty complex, typical for those folks with teaching degrees; they seem to want to make everything as complex as possible.

Nonetheless, if you want some fresh insights about what trades will be replacing computer programmer and loan processor twenty or so years from now -- especially if you have kids or plan to -- this is some good information.

And if you haven't heard of or read McPherson, here's his blog-site:

[link to blog.ltc.arizona.edu]

I personally consider Guy McPherson one of only two or three people who really has a handle on what the world might be like in a decade or so.
Where's the EVIDENCE, Jim?
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Thank you.
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The evidence is gaining increasing clarity: We've reached a crossroads unlike any other in human history. One path leads to despair for Homo industrialis. The other leads to extinction, for Homo sapiens and the millions of species we are taking with us into the abyss. I'll take door number one.


Lol, Homo industrialis.

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Thanks Duncan.

I use to be a teacher and I've got loads of books a materials that I've gathered for just such a time. I even kept most of my college texts. I have educational materials for every grade from K-College Level.

But the last 3-4 years I've been concentrating on materials that educate about survival and basic things like finding food, making shelters, making fire, purifying water, etc...

Because people will need to know how to survive and settle, before they can even worry about other education.

Then again, it is important that scientific and matematical, mechanical concepts not be lost after a disaster, as those skills will be needed to rebuild technology from simple to complex.

Hopefully things will never get that dire however. Best to be prepared for anything.
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Pretty interesting read.
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hey thanks Duncan, something i do think about

my main concern right now is teaching my daughter the skills she will need to survive such a situation, basic survival skills, some martial arts, how to handle weapons, etc.

i have always felt that schools should really teach students HOW to learn, not memorization, with that skill a person can learn about anything of interest
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There is no such thing as peak oil. Guy proven he doesn't know shit.
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There is no such thing as peak oil. Guy proven he doesn't know shit.
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maybe not, but their is peak production, it is happening right now


end result is the same
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There is no such thing as peak oil. Guy proven he doesn't know shit.


maybe not, but their is peak production, it is happening right now


end result is the same
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Demand is low is the reson for todays peak production.
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Is this the same Duncan that was heading for the hills last year when the stock markets began to fall? Come out Duncan, we survived ya know? 5a
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There is no such thing as peak oil. Guy proven he doesn't know shit.


maybe not, but their is peak production, it is happening right now


end result is the same

Demand is low is the reson for todays peak production.
 Quoting: Chopper Charlie 708918


EPA regulations also play a key factor in this, same with nuclear power plants


if the world does erupt in total chaos, it will take multiple generations before the average person has any kind of education, which will keep society stuck in a very bad place
"By way of deception, thou shalt do war."

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There is no such thing as peak oil. Guy proven he doesn't know shit.
 Quoting: Chopper Charlie. 708918

We are all entitled to our respective opinions. If you don't consider the possibility of an oil crash ahd subsequent infrastructure failure to be something to worry about, then I suppose it makes sense for you not to bother with any prudent preparations for the same.

On the other hand, if you see any potential happenstance which could lead to such an infrastructure breakdown, then educating your kids to live and prosper in such a world might be worth looking at.

Your choice, of course.

Last Edited by Duncan Kunz on 06/22/2009 12:26 PM
Where's the EVIDENCE, Jim?
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Is this the same Duncan that was heading for the hills last year when the stock markets began to fall?
 Quoting: Harry McGarry 708865


Actually, last year I cashed out most of my 401(k) and bought a mini-farm in Gila County, into which I now pour money and time in an effort to get it ready for any "unforseen circumstances". We still work and live in the 'burbs, though; the money's too damn good for us to leave before we have to.

Come out Duncan, we survived ya know?
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And I hope we all continue to survive for lo these many years to come.
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A K-5 Curriculum for Students in the Post-Carbon Era is the title of a paper written by two University of Arizona students under the aegis of Professor Guy McPherson, the original Peak Oil guy:

[link to countercurrents.org]

If you've ever wondered what kids should learn in a post-industrialized society, this has some great inputs.

Of course, it's pretty complex, typical for those folks with teaching degrees; they seem to want to make everything as complex as possible.

Nonetheless, if you want some fresh insights about what trades will be replacing computer programmer and loan processor twenty or so years from now -- especially if you have kids or plan to -- this is some good information.

And if you haven't heard of or read McPherson, here's his blog-site:

[link to blog.ltc.arizona.edu]

I personally consider Guy McPherson one of only two or three people who really has a handle on what the world might be like in a decade or so.
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Great post DK! 5 stellars and a bump
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Well you can pretty much throw out the history textbooks since they are all full of shit.
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Well you can pretty much throw out the history textbooks since they are all full of shit.
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I think they are already warming up on that one..
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Actually I think the old 19th century English 'ragged school' policy might be the way to go for most folks. Basically you only had a couple of teachers and the best and brightest pupils taught and acted as teachers assistants for the others.

School will most likely be in the slack times of the year because (shock - horror) young children will be working 40 + hours a week, most weeks.

Further education, such as will likely be available will need to concentrate on basics. Family doctors and nurses, veterinary skills, basic mechanics, farm and household management. Hopefully people will save the libraries from being trashed. And say goodbye to the zillion dollar campus.
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Thanks Duncan.

I use to be a teacher and I've got loads of books a materials that I've gathered for just such a time. I even kept most of my college texts. I have educational materials for every grade from K-College Level.

But the last 3-4 years I've been concentrating on materials that educate about survival and basic things like finding food, making shelters, making fire, purifying water, etc...

Because people will need to know how to survive and settle, before they can even worry about other education.

Then again, it is important that scientific and matematical, mechanical concepts not be lost after a disaster, as those skills will be needed to rebuild technology from simple to complex.

Hopefully things will never get that dire however. Best to be prepared for anything.
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