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Submarine Numbers at Issue

 
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The U.S. Navy plans to begin constructing two nuclear-propelled attack submarines (SSN) per year beginning next year -- Fiscal Year 2010. For the past decade the Congress has authorized SSNs at an average of one a year. However, in response to the Newport News/Northrop Grumman and Electric Boat/General Dynamics shipyards reducing construction costs for submarines of the Virginia (SSN 774) class to $2 billion per submarine in then-year (FY 2005) dollars, the Department of Defense and Congress have approved the doubled construction rate.

Now some in DoD and Congress are having second thoughts about the increased submarine building rate. The reason is primarily money. The cost in today's dollars for a Virginia-class SSN is closer to $2.5 billion per unit.

The Navy's annual shipbuilding budget from FY 2002 through 2009 averaged about $10 billion. The FY 2010 budget is about $12 billion. The Navy -- which currently has 283 active ships -- has a goal of 313 ships. Navy estimates of the shipbuilding funds needed to reach that goal have been steadily increasing over the past few years and is now about $16 billion per annum. However, the Congressional Research Service, General Accountability Office, and other, non-government institutions and individuals, estimate the cost at more than $20 billion per year and possibly as high as $24 billion. And, these numbers do not include the "mission packages" for littoral combat ships (LCS), the planned new class of strategic missile submarines (SSBN), and the proposed ballistic missile defense cruisers (CG(X)).

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Re: Submarine Numbers at Issue
why are they worry about money all of a sudden?? , just print up another trillion and build a fleet of new subs , saids jared chuckle
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Waste of money clearly we have more than enough submarines.
I mean what enemies do we have?
Kim jong and his dongs lol and ammadinnerjacket hahaha
Russians are getting some of the military transport contracts so obviously they aren't enemies anymore.
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07/01/2009 05:36 PM
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BS author ... the Virginia class is specifically designed for clandestine and special forces insertion in relatively shallow, coastal or littoral waters. They also have the capability of strategic strike with cruise missiles, and interdiction with Mk-48, Mk-52, and Mk-X torpedoes.

They are as smart an investment as a B-2 Spirit, and we need as many as we can purchase before the war starts.
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we need more wolf class subs
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07/01/2009 05:42 PM
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Waste of money clearly we have more than enough submarines.
I mean what enemies do we have?
Kim jong and his dongs lol and ammadinnerjacket hahaha
Russians are getting some of the military transport contracts so obviously they aren't enemies anymore.
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It's about jobs at shipyards.

This is an easy way to apply pressure on the district's congressman.
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07/01/2009 05:46 PM
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Re: Submarine Numbers at Issue
1 Virginia class submarine

Cost: 2 Billion = one mission, 62 souls; all targets destroyed by insertion or launch of stealth cruise missiles

or

Alpha Strike from carrier group with 90 Aircraft, 80 JDAM, 860 AIMs.

cost: 34 Billion (aircraft + ships), 90 sortes, 123 souls + 5000 on ships, same targets destroyed

The first is silent, invisible, and is gone before the enemy even knows that something happened.

The second is loud, not very invisible, open to counter-attack, and vulnerable.

The Virginia class is money well spent, and worth every damn penny. Hope we buy as many as we can.
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They build ships at Norfolk. Not sure where they build the majority of submarines.
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