Please provide absolute proof of the divinity of the Bible, Torah, and/or Quran.

The Bible has many fulfilled prophecies but unbelievers will just say that it was all made up and changed. Those people will then pick and choose from the myriad of other belief systems that are out there. In any case, the Christian message is that you are saved by faith, which means a very strong belief is something that is not clearly seen. The Holy Spirit will then come to live inside you and confirm with your spirit that you have made the correct choice (Romans 8:16).

Some will say that it fulfilled prophecies but fail to realize that even Nostradamus did the same thing. They search and pull out whatever they want and twist it to make it fit just like any sooth sayer or psychic.

There is no proof.

Because those books say they are. It's right in there... Yeesh!



There is no proof OP.

The very best proof for what you seek is found in mathematics.

Search Stan Tenen, to get started on the Bible/Torah.

There are many good sources on the net that cover the mathematics of the Quran too.

Thing is, none of this really 'proves' divinity. For example, it could be that some 'sacred' texts are the result of some unknown technology or just random chance.

No 'real' God would ever deign to prove itself to humanity.

This is not possible.

You are not a computer. You were designed to survive even when all of necessary information to make a 100% correct decision isn't available.

If God were explicitly "provable" empirically then we would simply cease to be free. We would be little better than slave like computer automatons. "Free Will" was intentionally designed and you must have the option to not believe in God to fully express it.

There is little use for imagination and intuition in a completely deterministic and rational world devoid of faith. I imagine neural nets would not be not very efficient in such a place. Rational expression and reason are all around us. Computer's are a billion times better at those characteristics than we are. It's the mixing equal parts reason with equal parts imagination that is rare.

Now if your asking why Bible, Torah or Quran is better than any other religious text. The answer there is Genesis 1. If you can read between the lines and understand the problems of culture and language differences of the writer, then there really is no other religious origin "myth" that is even in the same big bang universe as Genesis in terms of what we know today as the scientifically accurate truth. But you must be willing to accept that Genesis wasn't written for the express purpose of proving biblical accuracy to a single English speaking human in year 2009.

well i'll do the torah...

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

The Bible code, also known as the Torah code, is a series of messages within the texts, that when decoded form words and phrases supposedly demonstrating foreknowledge and prophecy. The study and results from this cipher have been popularized by the book The Bible Code.

An early seeker of divinely encrypted messages was Isaac Newton, who, according to John Maynard Keynes, believed[5] that "the universe is a cryptogram set by the Almighty", and in the structure of the universe, Newton sought the answers to "a riddle of the Godhead of past and future events divinely fore-ordained".

Don't hold your breath OP you'll die waiting.

what Islam say is a proof of the Koran to be of not human origin is that Muhammad was illiterate and yet all the verses of the Koran are in perfect harmony... in some way it can not be add even a single word.

The Koran is mean to be chanting or recited.

but when I learn Arabic to read it myself I did not feel like it was impossible to be alter as they say....

by the way if you have the Bible code try the words ENKI and Enlil you will see the difference on searching.

Absolute proof? No such thing.

Please provide absolute proof that the sun will rise in the East tomorrow.

I suppose you could use the factual sciences of astronomy and physics to evidence that. Or even the millenia of history, during which the sun has, IN FACT, risen in the East.

nah don't have it. i just learned of it recently. it wasn't just that but other things that have happened also and i'm now a believer.

i will agree with you that the koran is beautifully written. i wish i spoke arabic. it sounds good in english too though.

On Youtube, write the terms:
Quranic miracles
science and the Quran
scientific facts in the Quran, etc




The outcome will be...La Ilaha Illa Allah, Muhammad Rasul-Ullah

For more scientific facts mentioned in the Quran see:






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You asked..


God says no.

Pulsars in the Quran:

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Listen to the sounds of Palsars:

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The Quran and Black Holes:
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The Nasa pictures taken of earth from space:
The two Holy Masjids of Makkah and Madinah were the only lit spots on the whole of the earth in those pictures. Allah says:
"We shall show them our singns in the horizons and in their own selves"



The Pictures:
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Here's rigorous, mathematical proof that the divine names mentioned in the bible mathematically prescribe superstring theory and characterise the properties of the cosmic blueprint called the "Tree of Life" (oze chiim) in the bible:
[link to smphillips.8m.com]
50 downloadable PDFs that will blow your mind.

Although I didn't understand a word of what you said, yet this in not proof the Bible is true. We Muslims-as well as nonMuslims- believe that the current Bible is corrupted. It contains remains of the original true Bible. If it contains a truth or two pieces of truth or three or ten, it still doesn't simply mean the Bible is uncorrupted

There is none!It is a scam that evolved out of Egypt 5k yrs ago. Contrived as mind control by the same elite persons that ran Egypt in the first place. Ksatriyas that left India 5k yrs before that. This is the results of 10k yrs of degraded social devolution from Vedic culture for the total control of their population as fascist(psudo religion, violently imposed) elements. The real PTB are name less to us and after 5k yrs have all but succeded.

Good answer OP!

re: the Bible, see the work of Stan Tenen & the Meru Foundation.

re: the Qur'an, see Surah 21:30.

I'll say the oldest one is probably right, the rest are just cheap replicas.

The moon was split in half:

[link to www.slideshare.net]

Allah says in the Quran that He, Exalted and Praised, sent down iron for the welfare of humanity. Science says yes:


[link to www.youtube.com]

Israel still exists. That's proof. All other ancient civilizations in the Middle East are gone. If you need any more proof than that I can't help you. Jesus wants followers that believe by faith. He loved us first and He wants us to believe that He loved us. He always loved us, even when He was on the cross He was thinking of you. If you don't believe that then you probably don't belong in heaven anyway.

You can always read the Targum the Bible in Aramaic.

That's not really proof. Self-fulfilling prophecies abound. The fact that a country named itself 'Israel' doesn't really prove much more than the fact that there are still people who follow such myth literally.

As for the rest of your non-proof -- Jesus wants you to believe by faith? So did Manson and the founder of the Mormons as far as that goes. It should be the biggest clue you have that you're being conned -- when someone tells ya "Don't worry about it. Trust me." And that's exactly all you have when it comes to your Jesus myth.