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Will you take the vaccine, if so why.

I haven't really decided yet. If the tests indicate it's safe and effective then I probably will.

Why? Mostly because I work in the social sciences so I generally hold independent peer reviewed studies in pretty high regard.



So when the study is conducted by one phamaceutical company and is peer reviewed by another pharmaceutical company then that makes it safe?
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School: No shortage of volunteers for swine flu vaccine trials
(CNN) -- Days after the U.S. government announced upcoming trials for an H1N1 flu vaccine, Saint Louis University has been inundated with phone calls and e-mails from people volunteering for the study...

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lala "I trust the pharma companies!" sheeplebah
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guess they can be the first to be euthanized then, enjoy
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If you offer up your children to be jabbed with this garbage, they'll get a toy... unbelievable.

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swine flu = psy-ops...
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So when the study is conducted by one phamaceutical company and is peer reviewed by another pharmaceutical company then that makes it safe?

No, pharma companies do often fund resarch but peer review before publication is generally done by respected, unaffiliated scientists in the field.

Anyway, this study is being conducted in multiple university-affiliated sites across the country and funded by the US government via the NIH so it's a moot point.
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I have read about said "respected, unaffiliated scientists" working the revolving door between universities and private companies. There is a similar revolving door in the weapons industry and government.
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So when the study is conducted by one phamaceutical company and is peer reviewed by another pharmaceutical company then that makes it safe?

No, pharma companies do often fund resarch but peer review before publication is generally done by respected, unaffiliated scientists in the field.

Anyway, this study is being conducted in multiple university-affiliated sites across the country and funded by the US government via the NIH so it's a moot point.
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Why is it a moot point? Please explain.
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yup
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Besides being vaccinated against swine flu, volunteers get $50 to $100 per visit; four to five visits are necessary. Children are needed for this study.

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In return for participating, people will get $50-$100 or the children will get a toy.
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Why is it a moot point? Please explain.
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Because the testing isn't being done by pharmaceutical companies.
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Fucking lab rats!
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I have read about said "respected, unaffiliated scientists" working the revolving door between universities and private companies. There is a similar revolving door in the weapons industry and government.
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True, but the academics who review papers are selected by the journal editors, not by the people who wrote the study.
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In return for participating, people will get $50-$100 or the children will get a toy.
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How low can they go?
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While myself or mine will not be vaccinated, It's good to know that the vast numbers of sheep will be.

Yeah, I'm a self important asshole like that.
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An interesting point on medical ethics, it's actually really unethical to give people huge rewards for participating in drug trials. If you promise someone $10,000 to try a vaccine then that's basically a coercive amount of money - for people out of a job it's an offer they can't refuse.

A smallish reward like $50-$100 is large enough to compensate people for their help but small enough to not get people who are desperate for money.
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While myself or mine will not be vaccinated, It's good to know that the vast numbers of sheep will be.

Yeah, I'm a self important asshole like that.
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Keep up the good work. I'm an asshole too.
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If you offer up your children to be jabbed with this garbage, they'll get a toy... unbelievable.

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How do you know it is garbage?? It hasn't been tested yet. The polio vaccine back in the 1950's was new and untested, at first. When it was proven to work, it was used. Many people lives were saved from polio. I will WAIT to see what the clinical trials prove. The results are NOT IN YET, hence the phrase CLINICAL T-R-I-A-L-S.
Also, many times, we give a child a toy or goodie of some sort after we give them meds, take their blood etc., to take their mind off of their fear. It's a diversionary tactic, so that next time they might not be a frightened. I hate needles and don't like my blood drawn and I am a nurse! I know it has to be done but I don't have to like it!
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An interesting point on medical ethics, it's actually really unethical to give people huge rewards for participating in drug trials. If you promise someone $10,000 to try a vaccine then that's basically a coercive amount of money - for people out of a job it's an offer they can't refuse.

A smallish reward like $50-$100 is large enough to compensate people for their help but small enough to not get people who are desperate for money.
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You are correct. Their time, gas, parking fees etc. being reimbursed in not unreasonable.
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An interesting point on medical ethics, it's actually really unethical to give people huge rewards for participating in drug trials. If you promise someone $10,000 to try a vaccine then that's basically a coercive amount of money - for people out of a job it's an offer they can't refuse.

A smallish reward like $50-$100 is large enough to compensate people for their help but small enough to not get people who are desperate for money.
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It's enough to buy one tank of gas,one pack of cigarettes,and a twelve pack of beer, with enough left over to invest into that one last bullet to end their misery for being a lab rat in the first place.
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If you offer up your children to be jabbed with this garbage, they'll get a toy... unbelievable.

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:deadstop:

How do you know it is garbage?? It hasn't been tested yet. The polio vaccine back in the 1950's was new and untested, at first. When it was proven to work, it was used. Many people lives were saved from polio. I will WAIT to see what the clinical trials prove. The results are NOT IN YET, hence the phrase CLINICAL T-R-I-A-L-S.
Also, many times, we give a child a toy or goodie of some sort after we give them meds, take their blood etc., to take their mind off of their fear. It's a diversionary tactic, so that next time they might not be a frightened. I hate needles and don't like my blood drawn and I am a nurse! I know it has to be done but I don't have to like it!
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Polio did not mutate.
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If you offer up your children to be jabbed with this garbage, they'll get a toy... unbelievable.

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:deadstop:

How do you know it is garbage?? It hasn't been tested yet. The polio vaccine back in the 1950's was new and untested, at first. When it was proven to work, it was used. Many people lives were saved from polio. I will WAIT to see what the clinical trials prove. The results are NOT IN YET, hence the phrase CLINICAL T-R-I-A-L-S.
Also, many times, we give a child a toy or goodie of some sort after we give them meds, take their blood etc., to take their mind off of their fear. It's a diversionary tactic, so that next time they might not be a frightened. I hate needles and don't like my blood drawn and I am a nurse! I know it has to be done but I don't have to like it!

Polio did not mutate.
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wtf
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An interesting point on medical ethics, it's actually really unethical to give people huge rewards for participating in drug trials. If you promise someone $10,000 to try a vaccine then that's basically a coercive amount of money - for people out of a job it's an offer they can't refuse.

A smallish reward like $50-$100 is large enough to compensate people for their help but small enough to not get people who are desperate for money.

It's enough to buy one tank of gas,one pack of cigarettes,and a twelve pack of beer, with enough left over to invest into that one last bullet to end their misery for being a lab rat in the first place.
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Sounds like my kind of Friday night! Where do I sign up?
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I got the swine flu shot back in the 70's during the swine flu scare. What are you all scared about? Jeez! Get a life.



You need to educate yourself a bit before it's too late...Baxter comes to mind....not a trustworthy organization by a LOOOOOOOOONG shot....

I hope you have a parent or guardian to make decisions for you.
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Honey, I'm 53 years old. No one makes decisions for me. Talking about educating yourself, sounds like you need some. Did you not read what I said? I got the swine flu shot in 1976. Read up on it. There were some who had reactions but for the most it was fine.

God this place is stupid!
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If you offer up your children to be jabbed with this garbage, they'll get a toy... unbelievable.

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:deadstop:

How do you know it is garbage?? It hasn't been tested yet. The polio vaccine back in the 1950's was new and untested, at first. When it was proven to work, it was used. Many people lives were saved from polio. I will WAIT to see what the clinical trials prove. The results are NOT IN YET, hence the phrase CLINICAL T-R-I-A-L-S.
Also, many times, we give a child a toy or goodie of some sort after we give them meds, take their blood etc., to take their mind off of their fear. It's a diversionary tactic, so that next time they might not be a frightened. I hate needles and don't like my blood drawn and I am a nurse! I know it has to be done but I don't have to like it!

Polio did not mutate.

wtf
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I meant nothing bad by that. Just saying. cool2
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Im not taking the vaccine and neither are the ones i know on top level .

its only for the people (sheeople) i mean :)

so go ahead and fuck up your children , wife and realtives and friends .

do not take that shittttttt!!!!!!

I'm keeping an open mind and waiting for the results of the clincal trials.



heheh ya reckon Big Pharma will disclose any negative news about their products?

I will merely have to check the patients that come into our ER. They will know if they have taken the vaccine or not. WE can also do a body count in our morgue of those who die and people will indeed die and see how many of the dead did or did not get innoculated. This is a scary virus that came out of Mexico City.

Also, keep in mind that people that have underlying medical conditions whether they get the vacine or not are much more vunerable. The elderly, whose immune systems don't function as well as before, the very young who have not had time to develop immunities and drinkers will be the hardest hit. The pharmacokinetics (how a drug is absorbed, distributed, metabolized and excreted)depends on the persons body. Most drugs are metabolized in the LIVER and excreted by the KIDNEYS. Alcohol (ETOH) is incredibly hard on these organs even when used in small amounts. Ever wondered why you drink ONE beer and pee 4?????? ETOH is PURE sugar. They body tries to mount a rapi defense by getting rid of the excess sugar quickly. Also, the thirst that comes from drinking alcohol is the body's way of trying to dilute this pure sugar. Alcohol drinking and diabetes have the same effect on the body. Dilute and excrete to bring back healthy balance in the body. It's quite fascinating!
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They say that older people are more immune to swine flu than younger people, that it is not hitting older people hard at this point. They are thought to have immunity from earlier flu outbreaks.
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I got the swine flu shot back in the 70's during the swine flu scare. What are you all scared about? Jeez! Get a life.



You need to educate yourself a bit before it's too late...Baxter comes to mind....not a trustworthy organization by a LOOOOOOOOONG shot....

I hope you have a parent or guardian to make decisions for you.

Honey, I'm 53 years old. No one makes decisions for me. Talking about educating yourself, sounds like you need some. Did you not read what I said? I got the swine flu shot in 1976. Read up on it. There were some who had reactions but for the most it was fine.

God this place is stupid!
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LOL Look at it this way. Some people will close their mind automatically without looking at ALL THE FACTS. Mature folks use something called POST FORMAL THOUGHT. They get information from many different places, process it, formulate a respons and make an informed judgment. You are clearly a wise person who uses post formal thought. Those people who close their minds AUTOMATICALLY and will not even entertain the possiblity that they might have something to learn, will not get the vaccine. If it is proven to work, the ones who did not get it might get ill and maybe die. The upside is that their shots will be available to those who choose to get it. There will be a limited amount of vaccine. I will wait, check out the results of the clincial trials and then make an informed decision.
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An interesting point on medical ethics, it's actually really unethical to give people huge rewards for participating in drug trials. If you promise someone $10,000 to try a vaccine then that's basically a coercive amount of money - for people out of a job it's an offer they can't refuse.

A smallish reward like $50-$100 is large enough to compensate people for their help but small enough to not get people who are desperate for money.

It's enough to buy one tank of gas,one pack of cigarettes,and a twelve pack of beer, with enough left over to invest into that one last bullet to end their misery for being a lab rat in the first place.

Sounds like my kind of Friday night! Where do I sign up?
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Yea. Me too.
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If you offer up your children to be jabbed with this garbage, they'll get a toy... unbelievable.

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:deadstop:

How do you know it is garbage?? It hasn't been tested yet. The polio vaccine back in the 1950's was new and untested, at first. When it was proven to work, it was used. Many people lives were saved from polio. I will WAIT to see what the clinical trials prove. The results are NOT IN YET, hence the phrase CLINICAL T-R-I-A-L-S.
Also, many times, we give a child a toy or goodie of some sort after we give them meds, take their blood etc., to take their mind off of their fear. It's a diversionary tactic, so that next time they might not be a frightened. I hate needles and don't like my blood drawn and I am a nurse! I know it has to be done but I don't have to like it!

Polio did not mutate.

wtf

I meant nothing bad by that. Just saying. cool2
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No, no I wasn't attacking you. I just didn't understand your comment. Polio did not mutate.
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School: No shortage of volunteers for swine flu vaccine trials
(CNN) -- Days after the U.S. government announced upcoming trials for an H1N1 flu vaccine, Saint Louis University has been inundated with phone calls and e-mails from people volunteering for the study...

[link to edition.cnn.com]



lala "I trust the pharma companies!" sheeplebah

People who "volunteer" for clincial trials ARE NOT STUPID. I think it takes a lot of courage to try a medicine that has only been used on lab animals. It is people like that that benefit the rest of us.
It has been said that the possibility of 40-50% of the USA population could be infected with this new virus. God only knows how many will surivive. This virus leaves leisions on the lungs.
As a nurse, should clincal trials come out positive, I fully intend to be vaccinated. We get exposed to MANY nasty bugs EVERYDAY. I posted a lengthy statement about this virus on the post "RN jobs offered in Seattle" or something similar.
I thank those who are willing to be "pioneers" for the good of us all. God bless them!!!!!
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Spoken like a true government agent. Climb back under your rock reptile.
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School: No shortage of volunteers for swine flu vaccine trials
(CNN) -- Days after the U.S. government announced upcoming trials for an H1N1 flu vaccine, Saint Louis University has been inundated with phone calls and e-mails from people volunteering for the study...

[link to edition.cnn.com]



lala "I trust the pharma companies!" sheeplebah

People who "volunteer" for clincial trials ARE NOT STUPID. I think it takes a lot of courage to try a medicine that has only been used on lab animals. It is people like that that benefit the rest of us.
It has been said that the possibility of 40-50% of the USA population could be infected with this new virus. God only knows how many will surivive. This virus leaves leisions on the lungs.
As a nurse, should clincal trials come out positive, I fully intend to be vaccinated. We get exposed to MANY nasty bugs EVERYDAY. I posted a lengthy statement about this virus on the post "RN jobs offered in Seattle" or something similar.
I thank those who are willing to be "pioneers" for the good of us all. God bless them!!!!!


Spoken like a true government agent. Climb back under your rock reptile.
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Spoken like a true uninformed anus. It's FLEET TIME FOR YA
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