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Stupid people line up for UNTESTED SWINE FLU VACCINE!

 
Anonymous Coward
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Do you without a copy and paste?

Yes, they introduce a viral analogue of some kind (dead viral material, a similar virus, etc.) to prod the immune system into producing antibodies that will be effective in fighting off whatever the target is.
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How dose one know what the target is when the target keeps changing "mutating"?
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Dude you are Disinfo Agent. If they were to use anything but a live or what they like to call partially live virus and actually use a dead virus the body would not react, no need, the virus is dead.
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The body does react, but less so. Booster shots are usually required to get a full immune response. The first polio vaccine was like this.

(I did have to look this one up)
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07/26/2009 05:42 PM
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Makes no logical sense taking an untested poison shot for 100 bucks.
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The onset of mass suicide?
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How dose one know what the target is when the target keeps changing "mutating"?
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Well, the hope is that it doesn't mutate too much, so they have to keep vaccines up to date. When the target does mutate so that multiple strains are bouncing around, they have to compensate by trying to predict which strain is going to be most active at a particular time. That's how seasonal flu vaccines work.
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07/26/2009 05:44 PM
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How dose one know what the target is when the target keeps changing "mutating"?

Well, the hope is that it doesn't mutate too much, so they have to keep vaccines up to date. When the target does mutate so that multiple strains are bouncing around, they have to compensate by trying to predict which strain is going to be most active at a particular time. That's how seasonal flu vaccines work.
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But seasonal flu vaccines don't work. Never have. Please explain.
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07/26/2009 05:46 PM
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This could be the total conspiracy. Release a virus, make some noise about it, offer vaccination but at the same time lure the conspiracy sites into opposing it. Common sheeple will take the vaccine, conspiracists won't and they'll die. Easy way of getting rid of them, right?
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yes that would be the case if viruses existed.
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Makes no logical sense taking an untested poison shot for 100 bucks.


The onset of mass suicide?
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Their way of taking advantage of the poor. A lot of college students donate eggs, sperm etc and sign up for "clinical" trials to make their way through as well.
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07/26/2009 05:49 PM
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But seasonal flu vaccines don't work. Never have. Please explain.
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Depends what you mean by "work." They do provide some protection, but not nearly as much as vaccines for less common diseases like hepatitis or smallpox. This is because there are many different strains of flu, they can't vaccinate for all of them at once, and they have to predict several months in advance which ones will be active. So there's a lot of error involved.
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yes that would be the case if viruses existed.
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Now THIS is what I'm talking about. :5:
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07/26/2009 05:53 PM
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But seasonal flu vaccines don't work. Never have. Please explain.

Depends what you mean by "work." They do provide some protection, but not nearly as much as vaccines for less common diseases like hepatitis or smallpox. This is because there are many different strains of flu, they can't vaccinate for all of them at once, and they have to predict several months in advance which ones will be active. So there's a lot of error involved.
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Too many errors involved. You must come up with a better explanation of what you are trying to convey. Please continue.
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But seasonal flu vaccines don't work. Never have. Please explain.

Depends what you mean by "work." They do provide some protection, but not nearly as much as vaccines for less common diseases like hepatitis or smallpox. This is because there are many different strains of flu, they can't vaccinate for all of them at once, and they have to predict several months in advance which ones will be active. So there's a lot of error involved.

Too many errors involved. You must come up with a better explanation of what you are trying to convey. Please continue.
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I'm not really sure what else you're looking for. If you're interested in studies of seasonal flu vaccine efficacy you might try looking at some of the references in the Wikipedia article.

[link to en.wikipedia.org]
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Paid idiots getting shots of water.
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07/26/2009 06:00 PM
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But seasonal flu vaccines don't work. Never have. Please explain.

Depends what you mean by "work." They do provide some protection, but not nearly as much as vaccines for less common diseases like hepatitis or smallpox. This is because there are many different strains of flu, they can't vaccinate for all of them at once, and they have to predict several months in advance which ones will be active. So there's a lot of error involved.

Too many errors involved. You must come up with a better explanation of what you are trying to convey. Please continue.

I'm not really sure what else you're looking for. If you're interested in studies of seasonal flu vaccine efficacy you might try looking at some of the references in the Wikipedia article.

[link to en.wikipedia.org]
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Will you take the vaccine, if so why.
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07/26/2009 06:01 PM
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Makes no logical sense taking an untested poison shot for 100 bucks.
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yup carrot dangling.amazing .well the 100 bucks will pay for a cheap coffin i guess
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07/26/2009 06:04 PM
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Makes no logical sense taking an untested poison shot for 100 bucks.



yup carrot dangling.amazing .well the 100 bucks will pay for a cheap coffin i guess
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maybe a urn
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07/26/2009 06:06 PM
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Makes no logical sense taking an untested poison shot for 100 bucks.



yup carrot dangling.amazing .well the 100 bucks will pay for a cheap coffin i guess
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indeed...
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Will you take the vaccine, if so why.
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I haven't really decided yet. If the tests indicate it's safe and effective then I probably will.

Why? Mostly because I work in the social sciences so I generally hold independent peer reviewed studies in pretty high regard.
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07/26/2009 06:08 PM
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Will you take the vaccine, if so why.

I haven't really decided yet. If the tests indicate it's safe and effective then I probably will.

Why? Mostly because I work in the social sciences so I generally hold independent peer reviewed studies in pretty high regard.
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I understand.
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07/26/2009 06:24 PM
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If you're GETTING PAID, are you a VOLUNTEER?



Those two terms are not mutually exclusive.

I bet the really nasty injections won't be among this clinical testing....oh no!!!!
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A very good observation.
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07/26/2009 06:34 PM
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It really doesn't matter one way or the other, when the reaper comes calling, its your day no matter what, nothing can stop him from calling, period! abduct
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07/26/2009 06:39 PM
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Sad and very painful decisions ahead. Now is the time to choose. The line in the sand has been drawn. Which side do you stand on? The time has come. The facts have been presented. Not only on main stream tv but here and many other web sights. I wish you the best. Choose wisely. Eternity is a long time.
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Isnt this vaccine just a modified flu shot with the genetic material from swine flu?

If it is, probably has the same saftey profile.

How many people die of the flu shot?
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Yeah, same stuff plus adjudavant squalene, which has been implicated in gulf war syndrome.
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Will you take the vaccine, if so why.

I haven't really decided yet. If the tests indicate it's safe and effective then I probably will.

Why? Mostly because I work in the social sciences so I generally hold independent peer reviewed studies in pretty high regard.

I understand.
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As a fellow social sciences doctoral level researcher I know what you mean. But I ask...how LONG do you want the safety study to last? Autoimmune diseases take years or decades to develop.
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As a fellow social sciences doctoral level researcher I know what you mean. But I ask...how LONG do you want the safety study to last? Autoimmune diseases take years or decades to develop.
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Obviously the length of time it can last is constrained by the flu season. But the cases of Guillain-Barre precipitated by the 1976 vaccine appeared within 10 weeks of the vaccine being administered, which is why the vaccination program was cut short.

It's a question of weighing potential future side effects against the danger of getting the flu, really.
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07/26/2009 07:02 PM
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As a fellow social sciences doctoral level researcher I know what you mean. But I ask...how LONG do you want the safety study to last? Autoimmune diseases take years or decades to develop.

Obviously the length of time it can last is constrained by the flu season. But the cases of Guillain-Barre precipitated by the 1976 vaccine appeared within 10 weeks of the vaccine being administered, which is why the vaccination program was cut short.

It's a question of weighing potential future side effects against the danger of getting the flu, really.
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It's a question of weighing potential future side effects against the danger of getting the flu, really. Now it comes down to this question. Is it worth it? From what I have researched, the answer is take it at your own risk.
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07/26/2009 07:11 PM
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Who wants to bet they are the same demographic as the sheeple in the Popeye's Chicken video the other day?

:rap::rap::rap::rap:

sheep
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ahahhahahhah lols HHAHAHAHAHAH
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07/26/2009 07:17 PM
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Who wants to bet they are the same demographic as the sheeple in the Popeye's Chicken video the other day?

:rap::rap::rap::rap:

sheep


ahahhahahhah lols HHAHAHAHAHAH
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Antwan! Talk to us. tounge
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07/26/2009 07:32 PM
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19:19 Ye shall keep my statutes. Thou shalt not let thy cattle gender with a diverse kind: thou shalt not sow thy field with mingled seed: neither shall a garment mingled of linen [plant] and woollen [animal]
come upon thee
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Now it comes down to this question. Is it worth it? From what I have researched, the answer is take it at your own risk.
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Yeah, that's always the question in medicine, really. It depends how bad the flu gets. Right now it's killing about one person out of every 200 who get it, which is pretty high considering how many people who are expected to get it.





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