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Dim mak has many useful benefits, it makes our martial arts training more interesting, it can be an extra tool we can use to defeat an attacker and I believe most importantly it can lead martial artists to become acupuncturists. The dim mak points are some times called pressure points or nerve points but they are in fact all acupuncture points.

When I teach The Old Yang Style of Tai Chi to my students I explain to them how every move we make is a Fa jin explosive energy strike to an acupuncture point. This way of doing things is known as Dim Mak and is a part of many martial arts systems not just Tai Chi.

Some martial arts systems like Tai chi always had dim mak in them and others add dim mak to their style to make it more effective. Some martial arts instructors of other styles who I teach Tai chi to stopped practising their previous martial art and dedicate themselves to mastering the whole Tai chi system. Others just take the basic dim mak and basic fa jin information that I have taught them and put it into their previous style.

To be able to use dim mak on a basic level one only needs to know the location of a handful of easily accessible points and to use ones martial arts skill to avoid being hit and to put oneself in a position where one can hit the opponent. Many of the points work when just hit with normal external power, one does not need to spend years learning fa jin (striking with explosive energy). However by knowing true fa jin it makes it possible to generate massive force from no distance so we can deliver knock out strikes even if for example a grappler has already grabbed our body.

Many people still ask me does dim mak really work ? Well yes it really does work because if you hit a person with the extreme force of fa jin on the acupuncture points that are on the most weak and vulnerable areas of the body it is going to get a big effect. The acupuncture points that we use for dim mak are over major nerves and blood vessels and the most vulnerable parts of the neck and skull. Many of them are also right over major internal organs like the heart, liver, lungs or kidneys, even if you do not hit the point exactly but are in roughly the right area it will still work.

Lets say the opponent throws a right hook punch to your head, you turn your hips to the left which will throw your arms and hands up and outwards towards them. Your left hand hits the acupuncture point known as Pericarium 6 (P-6) on the inside of their wrist and a fraction of a second later your right hand hits an acupuncture point called Stomach 9 (St-9) on their neck. (This is actualy the first move of The Old Yang Style Small San Sau Fighting Form)
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If we hit P-6 first as a set up point it makes St-9 which is the the main strike have an even more deadly effect. However Stomach 9 works by itself whether we use a set up point first or not. A strike to P-6 will be hitting the medial nerve which will cause the arm to go numb and weak, a nauseas feeling in the gut and a shock to the bodies whole nervous system causing the heart to beat erratically and the person to become mentally and physically weak and unstable.

The strike to St-9 will have an even more serious effect and its use is only for when your life is in danger. This point is right on top of the vegas nerve, the cartoid artery and the carotid sinus. Even a light strike in this area will cause knock out straight away because the carotid sinus reflex controls the blood pressure to the head. Striking the carotid sinus sends a signal to the heart via the vegas nerve to slow down, blood pressure drops and the opponent faints. If this point is hit to hard the heart will stop and the opponent will die.

So we can see that there is no mystery to dim mak this information is correct according to western anatomical science. Western accident and emergency doctors are actually taught to use a very slight finger pressure on the carotid sinus to treat patients suffering from life threatening high blood pressure.

Unfortunately there are still some martial arts teachers who are not trained in acupuncture or western medicine and use the Stomach 9 point to demonstrate how with only a small amount of power they can knock someone out. This is reckless in the extreme not only because these people often don't know the antidote or revival points but also because this is one of the dim mak delayed death points.

Again the reason why this occurs is all medical not mystical. When struck on St-9 the traumatic injury will cause a small section of the interior wall of the cartoid artery to eventually detach itself and get carried to the brain where it will cause a clot resulting in a stroke and death. This can happen a few weeks, months or years after the original strike hence the delayed death aspect of this dim mak attack.

Acupuncturists use Pericardium 6 to treat nausea, travel sickness, food poisoning and irregular heart activity. Stomach 9 is used to treat high blood pressure and neck problems like tonsillitis and goitre. So if we train to be effective acupuncturists as well as effective martial artists then we have a yin yang balance in our lives. We can be healers as well as fighters by using the same knowledge of acupuncture points for both combat and healing.

I explain to martial artists about the interesting art of dim mak and why it works to encourage them to use their enthusiasm for dim mak as an open door into the very rewarding study of the healing art of acupuncture. We must always remember that dim mak points are acupuncture points and the reason why dim mak works is because it is using the treatment methods of acupuncture in an adverse way.

The way that acupuncture works is to insert the needles into acupuncture points on the acupuncture meridians in the direction that the qi (energy) flows to reinforce a weak part of the body. Or to insert the needles into acu-points against the direction that the qi flows to calm an overactive part of the body. The needles are also manipulated up and down whilst being rotated clock wise or anti clockwise to reinforce or reduce the qi flow. The direction depends on which hand you are using on which side of the patients body.

All the bodies muscles, bones and internal organs, the brain and nervous system can be healed by acupuncturing specific acupuncture points. This same knowledge can be used to adversely affect the opponents organs, brain and nerve system in combat.

For example acupuncturists use Conception Meridian point 17 (CV-17) needled in the reducing direction to calm the heart and lungs by reducing excessive heart and lung activity. So it is very useful in the treatment of asthma, bronchitis, palpitations and angina. If a person were struck in the reducing direction with sufficient force on this point it could cause the opponent to have reduced functional power of the heart and lungs, difficulty breathing and a blood pressure drop. They would feel weak and faint and collapse.

Acupuncturists send qi energy through the needles to heal the patient with thoughts of compassion and a healing intention. When we use the points in combat he needed to put a destructive intention into the qi to be able to affect the energy flow in his opponents bodies in an adverse way. ( Of course with dim mak some points work for purely anatomical reasons and no qi is needed but many of the points only work, or work with less effort, if qi is used in the strikes.)

Dim mak means hitting the acupuncture points with fa jin explosive energy strikes, to cause disorientation, weakness and collapse, temporary or permanent paralysis, unconsciousness or death. Different results are possible depending on which point or combination of points are hit and how they are hit. The results are due to understanding Traditional Chinese Medicine it has nothing to do with mystical powers.

It is clear that in ancient times martial artists new acupuncture and used this knowledge to make their fighting systems more effective. It is a great skill to be able to use dim mak to defeat an opponent if we are attacked. However if we take a deep look into our selves we realise that just cultivating the skill of being able to destroy people is very unbalanced. If we study acupuncture then we can not only heal injuries to ourselves and others that occur during our martial arts training but also help members of the public to recover from illness and injury.
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There are actually a few misunderstandings about dim mak that need to be clarified, for example some people still think that we have to hit certain points at certain times of day for the dim mak effect to work. This is incorrect, acupuncture points whether they are used for dim mak or acupuncture work all the time.

Many people also believe that one needs to know about the creative and destructive cycle of the five elements theory of Traditional Chinese Medicine to be able to use dim mak correctly. Again this is not the case, all one needs to know is the location of the point and the direction of the strike (up, down, left or right ) and whether to rotate the strike clockwise or anti clockwise to cause an energy drainage effect, also of course one needs to have fa jin. These things are learnt as a subconscious reflex by the body through training The Old Yang Style Tai Chi System.

Fa jin has many levels and so does dim mak, the higher the level of fa jin one is at, the higher level of dim mak one can apply. It is possible on many of the dim mak points to get them to work even without fa jin, just with a normal external strike, others need to be hit with the great penetrating power that can only come from the fa jin explosive energy strikes.

One of the biggest misunderstandings about dim mak is because it is sometimes called the death touch. It is not a touch it is a fa jin strike delivered with great force, you cannot kill someone with a touch, the reason that this misunderstanding has grown is that to an onlooker the strike was so small and quick that it just looked like a touch.

At the high level of fa jin we can deliver the blow from touch contact with the opponent, we don't have to draw back our arm to hit them but because this is not understood, it is inevitable that the incorrect conclusion has been drawn and it is thought that there was just a touch not a strike. So dim mak should really be translated as death strikes not the death touch.

One common myth which has crept into the dim mak ( acupuncture point striking ) story is that people say that they were knocked out and the taiji fighter never touched them. What really happened was the fa jin ( explosive energy strike ) was to fast to see and with a knock out the person who has been hit, upon recovering consciousness has lost the memory of the second just before he went into knock out.

So of course they did not see the strike land or recall the feeling of the blow so they inevitably jump to the conclusion that it never landed and then they say that they were knocked out without being touched and so another myth is created.

One of the points that we use to cause knock out is on the Governing Vessel, it is called a vessel rather than just a meridian because it holds a great deal of the bodies energy. The Governing Vessel runs up through the middle of the spine over the top of the head and down to the upper gum. The knock out point is called Governing Vessel point 26 (GV- 26) and it is located just under the nose, above the middle of the top lip.

If we hit GV- 26 lightly in the reducing direction against the energy flow in this meridian/vessel it causes knock out because it connects directly with the Central Nervous System in the spine. The shock wave through the CNS causes it to temporarily shut down making the opponent go into knock out. However this point should never be used to demonstrate that dim mak works because if it is hit too hard it causes all the yang energy to be drained from the Governing Vessel and the CNS shuts down permanently causing death.

Unfortunately there are still some martial arts teachers who are not trained in acupuncture or western medicine and use GV- 26 to demonstrate how with only a small amount of power they can knock someone out. This is reckless in the extreme not only because these people often don't know the antidote or revival points but also because this is not only a dim mak knock out point but also a death point.

Dim mak should never be used for demonstrations only for defeating opponents. There is short and long term damage from any type of knock out, so it would not be sensible for a person to volunteer themselves to be hit at a seminar where dim mak is being demonstrated.

Acupuncturists use Governing Vessel point 26 to revive an unconscious person or to awaken coma patients. We also use this point to clear inflammation from the spine before we start acupuncturing the the specific vertebrae and discs that have been been damaged and need healing.

The Old Yang Style system has been very cleverly designed so that it is possible to practice fa jin and dim mak in such a way that one can become effective in its use but not damaged in the training.

We train so that if we encounter the worst situation we have something to call upon, we hope for the best but prepare for the worst. A person who chooses to train the whole of the Old Yang Style Taiji System will eventually get to the very high levels which are more to do with energy rather than just physical force.

At the highest level we still hit the opponent but we are able to actually deliver into them a shockwave of adverse energy which we can guide with our intention along their acupuncture meridian channels deep into the most vulnerable parts of their body like their heart and brain causing instant death. This is extreme but better to have it and not need it, than not have it when you need it.

( Occassionaly a low level student will say with exasperation to me 'You havent killed anyone have you so this cannot be true'. When I was much younger and thought I had something to prove I used to hit these people with enough force for them to feel the fa jin shockwave penetrate deep into their bodies and cause a little damage and then I would heal the internal injury with acupucture and Chinese Herbal Medicine. Now I am a little bit older and more sensible and go to great lengths not to hurt anyone.)

From a healing perspective the ability to transfer our energy through the acupuncture needles into a specific part of another persons body is a great skill. We would of course use positive healing energy not adverse destructive energy. There are not two types of qi energy, good and bad, it is the same energy we just give it an adverse or healing intention depending on the circumstances.

The ancient Chinese healing art of acupuncture can cure not only physical injuries but also many illnesses, diseases and general health problems. It was the medical understanding of acupuncture which lead to the development of dim mak.

So if we train to be effective acupuncturists as well as effective martial artists then we have a yin yang balance in our training and our lives. We can be healers as well as fighters by using the same knowledge of acupuncture points for both combat and healing. For healing we would be tapping into our higher spiritual nature for fighting we tap into our base animal nature.

It is clear that in ancient times martial artists new acupuncture and used this knowledge to make their fighting systems more effective. It is a great skill to be able to use dim mak to cause sudden weakness, knock out or death to an opponent if we are attacked. However if we take a deep look into our selves we realise that just cultivating the skill of being able to damage peoples health is very unbalanced.
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Hao Chuan (Old Yang Style Loose Boxing) of course benifits the body, mind, emotions and spirit but the thing that connects them all together and enables them to be regulated and harmonised is Qi. There are many diffrent internal principles, although each one develops a diffrent thing, they all have one thing in common and that is that they all generate Qi.

To begin with the internal principles are quite rough then after many years of practice they sink in to the body and subconsiouse mind and are no longer visable, they are smooth and truly internal.Somtimes in my training I will consiously emphsise one particular internal principle above the rest and then put it back into my subconsiouse.At other times when I run through the Hao Chuan I let it do itself, it does whatever needs doing and then I feel good.

So in this article I intend to try and convay how it is that all the many diffrent internal principles of Hao Chuan are one way or another Qi generating systems. Although Qi at its finest frequency is a spiritual force that can change the world, it can also be looked at in a more straight forward way as bieng just like an electrical currrent, a magnetic field or a heat wave.

Interacting opposites are what is needed to generate energy, with electricity there is a positive and negative current, a magnet has a positive and negative side and heat is generated by the friction of two surfaces rubbing against each other in opposite directions. So opposing and interacting opposites are the key elements for creating these forces and with Qi it is the same except the two interacting opposites are called Yin and Yang.

In the Hao Chuan at an advanced level Yin and Yang are subtle abstract forces that can be experienced but are very hard to convay to others. However at a basic level they relate to simple tangable principles which can be explained in a reasonably straight forwards way.

In this article I will start from the basic physical and see how far into the advanced spititual aspects of using Yin and Yang to generate Qi I can go and still make sense. Whether a person is training Hao Chuan for self defence or self development, self healing or healing others or to develop their spiriyuality and spiritual body, their ability to progress is dependant on their Qi.

The internal principles one learns as a beginer are mainly to do with physical things to create a Yin Yang dynamic to generate Qi.I will catorgarise them into Yin and Yang but of course nothing is just Yin or Yang because they are always transforming into each other so they always contain a bit of one another.

The first one is to push against the ground with certain parts of the foot, the body here is the Yang and the Earth the Yin, to understand how this can generate Qi just walk about on a thick carpet in a pair of socks for a few minuits and then go and touch someone, they will recieve a static electric shock.

The second way is to have one leg push against the other, the pushing leg is Yang and the recieving leg is Yin and then they reverse.This compression and release is another Yin Yang way of generating Qi.It is just like when a spring is compressed it is given potential energy that it then releases which compresses the other leg and so on.

So Qi is constantly bieng stored and released by the legs.Using the internal principle of 'Bieng Connected' the Qi from the legs which begins from the ground force at Kidney 1 on the soles of the feet can be carried up through the body and be released through Pericardium 8 on the palm of the hand.If we release the Qi with the 'Intention' of a hawk impacting with its prey then our Dim mak self defence is effective.If we release the Qi through ourselves into a patient whilst having our 'Intention' at one with Nature then a great healing is possible.K-1 is Water and P-8 is Fire so if we train barefoot on the grass and breath in and out through K-1 and P-8 we can keep the Qi balanced.

Moving up the body the next internal principle is the Yin Yang change of the waist turning one way then the other. This waist shake is one of the main sources for Fa Jin, to begin with waist shaking Fa Jin is big however at the advanced level it is very small and becomes a very consentrated 'Small Internal Fa Jin'. The continuose waist turning twist generates Qi and activates the Lower Dan Dien energy center just below and behined the navel.

The Lower Dan Dien is both a generator of Qi and a storehouse of Qi, it is both an electrical generator and a rechargable battery.Also the centrfugal Yang and centrapeadal Yin forces generated by the waist rotation cause the Qi to be flowed from the belly to the extreamities and back again.

The torque of the hips in opposition to the rib cage is an Yin upper body, Yang lower body compression release that generates Qi through its twisting contary movement. This is an internal principle that should not be exagerated to much otherwise it causes a break between the upper and lower body, there are however some moves like Sweeping The Lotus Root Kick at the end of the Hao Chuan in which it is obviouse.

Another upper body-lower body Yin Yang Qi generating technique is the bringing together and the moving appart the hip bone and lateral side of the flotting rib.This Yin Yang compression release is called Squeezing Qi because the Qi that is generated causes the striking hand to be squeezed full of the Qi that has been generated by the movement it also causes the arm that is striking to extend the nessecary extra distance.

The in and out movement of the abdominal breathing techniques that we use in our Hao Chuan also generate Qi and pumps it from the Lower Dan Dien to the extremites.The Yin-Yang, in-out, compression-release of the belly generates Qi through the friction of the internal organs and their faciaie rubbing together. Just like when you rub your hands together to keep them warm.

The Yin Yang compression release of the Opening and Closing of all the Kwa (Bridges), the Hand Kwa, Arm Kwa, Leg Kwa, Foot Kwa, Back Kwa and Pelvic Kwa are all also a major generator of Qi.

The Kwa can become such a powerfull Qi pumping process that ones Qi expands and fills the body out like a balloon bieng inflated and even more than this our Defencive Qi on the surface is expanded significantly as well. Having strong Defencive Qi helps us in combat against opponents and also helps our immune system fight disease. When all the Yin Yang Opening and Closing of the Kwa have become totaly internalised then we can expand bieond ourselves and walk across the final Bridge.

Its now that we get on to some of the even more subtle Yin Yang Qi generating internal principles. The beginer is told to let go of any unnessecary muscle tension, this is called Sung and will allow a greater amount of Qi to flow unrestricted through the body and help in the development of Loose Heavy Power.

The intermeadiat student has explained to them the speacial way of flexing the tendons (the bits that connect the muscles to the bones) so that the Qi is attracted to them so that they can grow and develope and contrabute to our elastic Jin force that we use in our Fa Jin explosive movements.Hao Chuan has no slow movement only Fa Jin.

The advanced practitioner is dealing with a very internal aspect of Qi generation called Joint Jin.It is the use of the expansion and contraction of the ligaments inside the joints between the bones, in the hips, knees, elbows, ankles, wrists, fingers, toes and in particular in the shoulders.

It is in the shoulders that we can most see the 'Joint Jin' expanding aspect of Fa Jin, it gives one at least an extra five inches reach and the elastic reiliant Jin power of the ligaments on top of the elastic power of the tendons makes our explosive Fa Jin strikes devistating.

A person when shot by an arrow suffers an injury caused not by the arrow but by the power supplied to it by the bow string, it is the same with the body, it is not the fist that causes injury to the opponent but the power supplied to it by the elastic resiliant expanding contracting qualities of the tendons and ligaments.

The expansion and contraction of the ligaments generates Qi in the joints that can then be absorbed by the bones.The ends of the bones by the joints are the areas of the bones that are most able to absorb Qi.

The bones are flexable crystals that conduct Qi, in the Hao Chuan when we inhale we expand the meridian Qi out to support the Defencive energy and when we exhale we contract the Qi in to the bones, this is called 'Bone Breathing'.This expansion contraction of the main meridian Qi out to the Defensive Qi and in to the center of the bones has three great benifits, firstly all the minute extra meridians have Qi rushed through them so every part of the whole of the body is energised.

Secondly the compression of the Qi into the bones makes them denser and regenerates the marrow which is a major part of the bodies blood production system, so this is good for general health and essentual for longivity.

The third benifit is that when we exhale on contact with the opponent and sink our Qi into the ground and in to our bones the impact generated is enough to cause the opponents system to go into shock and shut down, this is because contact impact power is related to momentum which is speed plus weight. The elastic release of the tendons and ligaments is the speed and the density of the bones is the weight , the two together make Fa Jin devistating. When 'Bone Breathing' is working the whole skelatal structure starts to vibrate, every bone in ones body is buzzing, it is a very pleasant sensation.

We are now going to go even deeper into the amazing and mysteriuse ways of Hao Chuan, there is an internal principle which is a combination of 'Joint Jin' and 'Bone Breathing', it is called 'Spine Jin' I was taught this by Erle in a dream.

For 'Spine Jin' when we inhale the spaces between the vertabrae are expanded and when we exhale they are compressed.If done correctly this Yin Yang expansion contraction of the spaces between the vertabrae of the spine causes the generation of a very high frequency Qi which then gathers at the middle of the spine and flows down the arms like a pulse on each movement.This Qi feels similar to 'Bone Breathing Qi' but it has more of a tingling sensation like a sparkaling electric current.For self healing and healing others this particular Qi is outstanding.

And for the highest level of Dim mak and Qi Disruption this Qi is the Key to success. If we look closly at the Hao Chuan we can see that it contains within it all nine of the Qi Disruption techniques from the Wudan Shan System.

We are now going even further into the amazing and mysteriouse Hao Chuan into an area that is very subtle and powerfull, instead of using diffrent Yin Yang aspects of the body to generate Qi we use variations of the Yin and Yang of Qi to generate Qi !

Internalising the 'Avoiding of Double Weightedness' in the hands and feet causes the body to become like a dynamo for the Qi, 'The Yin Yang Palm' is the internal principle that we use to keep the Qi dynamo turning however there is a more internal internal principle which is the origin and essence of this and it is called the 'Qi Wave'.

The 'Qi Wave' flows through the hips, which causes the 'Yin Yang Hand' to happen and also results in 'The Internal Avoidance of Double Weightedness'.

The 'Qi Wave' is partly from inside of the body and is also an external force that flows through us and mobilises the movement, it feels like bieng carried along by a wave in the ocean but you are also the wave.

The 'Qi Wave' is felt to be running through the Lower Dan Dien and it travelles from the hips through the Lower Dan Dien out at Conception meridian points 4 and 6 and up the belly and along the insides of the arms to the hands, the 'Qi Wave' travells along the Yin meridians.

The 'Qi Wave' of the hips cases a wave in the hands, on certain movements there is an almost physical ripple of Qi along the top of the forearm as it flows down to the hand and out the fingers as a result of the ground force pushing the femur into the hip to cause the 'Qi Wave'.It can be most clearly seen/felt on the neck break punch in the third section of the Hao Chuan just after 'Dragon Whips his Tail Spear Hand Fa Jin'.

At the highest level the 'Qi Wave' combines with the 'Small Internal Fa Jin'. The 'Small Internal Fa Jin' comes from the side to side little waist shakes which release the Qi from the coccycx, sacrum, Bladder meridian point 23 over the kidneys and Governing meridian point 4 below lumbar vertibrae number 2.This 'Small Internal Fa Jin' Qi travells up the back and down the outside of the arms along the Yang meridians.This 'Small Internal Fa Jin' feels like a rushing sensatioon a bit like a shiver up the back and down the arms.

When the 'Small Internal Fa Jin' is combined with the 'Qi Wave' it cause the Yin curve to unite with the Yang straight line causing a corkscrew movement of the body internaly which makes the hands move in a corkscrew kind of way.This can be most clearly seen/felt on the palm strike part of the Hao Chuan 'Single Whip'.

The application of this move is an energy stealing rebound strike off Pericardium 6 into a Neurological ShutDown Strike on the jaw. When it is applied with the Yang 'Small Internal Fa Jin' combined with the Yin 'Qi Wave' the immidiate knock out is a result of the activity of the Qi rather than just the physical contact of the hand.Eventualy as the Qi becomes more active the physical contact becomes less and although the strike is applied with a devistating 'Intention' to an onlooker it would look like a touch rather than a strike.

So at the higher levels of Hao Chuan our Qi becomes more refined and unified with our 'Intention' which is a spiritual force.Eventualy we are our Qi which is our 'Intention' which is our Spirit and our Spirit is one with Nature.
Like ice that when heated can become water which when heated can become steam which can rise up into the sky, through our Hao Chuan training we can change our bodies from bieng hard and stiff like ice into bodies that can flow like water and eventualy our Spirit like steam can rise up into the sky and fly free.
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There is a particular emphasise on the esoteric philosophy of the Chinese five elements which gives this style its uniqe character.

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Are you tired, bitchy, depressed, irritated, sleepy, distracted, crabby, worried, easily offended, or just plain crazy? If so, then you need to change the energy flow from OUT of you to IN to you. My Chi Kung practice starts with that.

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You can't teach pure power, you long-winded bastard. Nice to see you again, Tommy. Why the long absences?
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It is good to see someone doing martial tai chi instead of pensioner tai chi,I've only done tai chi for 8 years and my teacher is old school first you learn the forms 24peking,42 fist,108,32 and 42 sword cane and tai chi fan then he'll teach applications and then finally which I am only starting now push hands,fajing etc.Im a big fan of Erle Montague who unlike Chinamen who keep stuff close to their chest he puts it all out there Im only aware of about a dozen points from my old karate days but I know 2 or 3 shutdowns.This stuff does work however I dont think it would be all that easy to do in a street fight.
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08/15/2009 05:20 PM

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Very interesting.
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08/15/2009 05:49 PM
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interesting essay, however there is another side of tai chi as illustrated in the following story;

a young man was walking to another village when he happened upon a group of robbers beating an older man. as the beating ended the oler man who was a tai chi master walked away while the robbers were incapacitated by their injuries.
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08/16/2009 11:52 AM
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You can't teach pure power, you long-winded bastard. Nice to see you again, Tommy. Why the long absences?
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08/16/2009 11:57 AM
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Too much tv

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Last Edited by four winds on 08/16/2009 12:06 PM
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Double edged tool.
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Dim Sum





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