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Whats Next After ObamaCare? You really don't believe they'll stop at govt. healthcare.....

 
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Whats Next After ObamaCare? You really don't believe they'll stop at govt. healthcare.....
I can't believe what he says at the 20 sec. mark, well on second thought anything Comrade O says does not shock me anymore




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Nope.

The next one I see in the wings is the Crap & Tax scheme.

If either or both of these measures get into law we are totally and completely screwed.


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Healthcare and Cap and Trade coming this Sept.

I really think sooner rather than later they are going to go for the throat to make a push to flush the dollar out and use another currency. Cap and Trade will devastate the economy to the point of that becoming a reality. However, Americans appear to be more awake then TPTB planned. It is going to get tougher to pass legislation so quickly. The average American is getting more and more skeptical.
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i thought the cap and trade got passed?
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i thought the cap and trade got passed?
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It has not gone through the Senate
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I've avoided medical appointments and disobeyed doctors orders for 15 years, healthcare is already a wreck. They just want to make it worse. It's bigger than Obama.
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VA Turns Against Roberts

Roberts’ wife, Deloris, said her family is “devastated.”

But they maintain reams of paper documents which appear to sustain their narrative of events in which a vet became a victim of a hostile bureaucracy and an overzealous prosecutor.

In November of 2003, Roberts said he contacted the VA Office of Inspector General (OIG) in Illinois by phone, complaining that Roberts had come to believe that the VA was committing fraud in the handling of his benefits claims, according to Roberts’ sworn deposition.

The reason behind Roberts’ call to the VA is not clear, but he had reportedly become somewhat paranoid, a symptom associated with PTSD.

Roberts spoke to Special Agent Raymond Vasil at the VA OIG who assured Roberts that Vasil would look into the alleged fraud, according to the sworn deposition. Roberts took Vasil’s assurance at face value.

Accusing the VA of committing fraud turned out to be a bad move for Roberts’ navigation through the VA bureaucracy, which a veteran’s advocate called a “culture of denial of veterans’ claims, where denying claims gets bureaucrats promoted.”

The veteran’s advocate spoke on background, out of concern for the political sensitivity of the topic.

After his phone conversation with Roberts, Special Agent Vasil and his assistant Joe Cossairt seized Roberts’ VA claims file from the regional VA office in Milwaukee, according to a document in Roberts’ VA file dated Dec. 12, 2003.
On March 27, 2004 Special Agent Vasil and Cossairt met with Roberts at his home in Gillett, (Oconto County), Wisconsin, according to Roberts’ affidavit, and asked a string of questions that made it clear to Roberts the focus of their questions pertained to the 1969 aircraft accident at Naples, and not the alleged VA fraud.

The VA’s Vasil reportedly insisted on a subsequent May 31, 2004 interview to be conducted at the Oconto County Sheriff’s office.

At the May 31, 2004 interview, according to Roberts’ deposition, Vasil became immediately abusive to Roberts by making a snide remark that “they brought all their paperwork,” after Roberts had carried in his large file and supporting evidence.

At the meeting, Vasil asserted that Roberts’ 1969 hospitalization after his Shore Patrol incidence was not a valid stressor for the purpose of diagnosing PTSD, though Vasil has no formal authority to issue such a determination, and Roberts had already been diagnosed by medical professionals on this very point.
Vasil called Roberts “nothing but a drunk,” and reportedly, said the documents Roberts had in possession (a Feb. 6, 1969, “Special Enlisted Personnel Performance Evaluation” pertaining to the death of his fellow airman on Feb. 4, 1969 and consistent with Roberts’ said role at the scene) meant “nothing” to Vasil.

Subsequently, after several months of complex machinations through the VA bureaucracy, Roberts’ benefits were severed in November 2004.

While Roberts was appealing the decision through the VA channels and was set to appeal to the VA Appeals Court—the US Court of Appeals for Veteran’s Claims in Washington D.C.—empowered by federal statute to hear the case, the United States Department of Justice, in the office of the US Atty for the Eastern District of Wisconsin, Steven Biskupic, indicted Roberts in April 2005 on six counts of mail fraud.

In September 2005, a superseding indictment changed the charges to five counts of wire fraud.

No investigative agent from the Treasury Department, Secret Service or FBI investigated the allegations of federal mail or wire fraud against Roberts.

Only the VA’s Special Agent Vasil conducted an investigation. Though his position title is “special agent,” Vasil has no formal law enforcement training or benefit adjudication experience.

Said one hostile veteran advocate, “A cop Vasil is not, just an idiot with a badge.”

In one exchange from Vasil’s Grand Jury testimony indicating his knowledge of the VA benefits process, upon which the indictment is predicated, Vasil appears weak on his familiarity with VA processes:

Question: “Is that part of your training that you have to know the basics of how these programs work?”

Vasil’s Answer: “Yeah. I was briefly kind of instructed when I was hired, and then just while working for them, you have to learn it to investigate the cases.”

But Biskupic’s office took Roberts to trial, secured a conviction, and this Vietnam-era veteran has been locked up since March.

According to Deloris Roberts, at the trial Roberts’ attorney was both unable and apparently disinclined to present any of the exculpatory evidence in Roberts’ files to prove his innocence, legal representation that has been criticized by those working with Roberts now.

Biskupic’s office says that Roberts “fabricated” his version of events pertaining to the death of his fellow airman.
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Healthcare
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That's what I get so far as the major pressure points....
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gun confiscation
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Obama will continue to pick up where Bush left off.
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Please do not forget Obama's campaign promise to develop a civilian security force which is just as large, just as strong and just as well funded as the military. This should scare everyone since our present military consists of over 2,000,000 according to Wikipedia:

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

"As of February 28, 2009 1,454,515 people are on active duty in the military with an additional 848,000 people in the seven reserve components."

This civilian security force of several million will be under the control of Obama, and it is a safe bet that this newly formed army will be composed primarily of members of ACORN and other Obama loyalists. We are looking at the prospect of 2,000,000 heavily armed thugs whose only purpose is to carry out Obama's plan to destroy the United States as we know it.
Obama is a corrupt, deceitful, power-hungry Chicago-trained hoodlum, and he will stop at nothing to get what he wants.
If you give a man like that an army, you are forever screwed.

Where Obama gets the money to finance his army of minions - at least 100-200 billion dollars a year - is another issue. One way or another, we will all pay for this madness.

PACNWguy tried to warn us, but not enough people listened. Can you hear him now?
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Next will probably be communications..they want everyone to agree with them so nobody speaks out against them.





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