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Notes from an "alternate universe". Introduction to a new way of thinking.

 
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Also OP, I think that the general interpretation for the four elements that you mention (ion, axon, chaon, elementon) may correspond to four of the Thirteen Intentions of Creation, as I call them in my model. Or maybe you guys have simplified the 13 principles into five/four elements. I recognize that this is possible.

Great stuff.
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Yes and it looks like you have put together some great stuff your self.
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Could you tell us some details about these 4 elements, the formulas and the relationships, and the structure of your language?


Hello! Surely...

The four elements are ion, axon, chaon, elementon. (There is a 5th, but it's not used.)

Each can have a numerical value and context value. They are 1, 2, 3, 5, respectively.

An ion is structure.
An axon is potential energy.
A chaon is interaction.
An elementon is representation.

The basic formulas are:

* 1+2=3
* 2+3=5
* 5-3=2
* 3-2=1

So, for example: an ion element + an axon element = a chaon element (1+2=3)

To illustrate this example, let's say that a building is an ion element (structure; 1). The space inside the building is an axon element (potential energy; 2). So when you add these two elements together you get interactivity (chaon; 3).

You simply identify what element (of the 4) something is then you can extrapolate conjectures about its relationship with something else. You can also add more formulas onto the result to get more detailed extrapolations.

This is an example done for illustration. The system is used for the very simple as well as the very complex.

The basic formulas could be easily translated into workable For example, 3-2=1 could be translated as, "if we provide less potential energy than our interactions require, our time perspective is reversed." (As potential energy is being structured more than it is not.) Such a model can be used for what would be called time travel (although time is not really what is thought).

The benefit of such a base system allows anyone to use it to make their own extrapolations.

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That is how works the Caret Language and Drones -Google it-

Thanks OP

PS: Timenot 0 we "dislike":

5a the Rainmantime Mod... 5a
that had Square Mind

We are the Benders of RMT`s Mind
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The elements of space for the drone's operating field, for axon.
Other entities within the operating field, for elementon.
Flight path instructions and forecasting, for ion.
I suppose that leaves the drone itself, for chaon.
Or, its activity.

What I find most boring about the Caret language is that it wraps to the English alphabet.

What's a thing like that good for? Any kid hacker could crack that sucker open within a Saturday afternoon.
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Eventually all time lines will merge,as one,.. as well as all dimensions in this
Universe,. All sliding into the Singularity as our technology progresses .

The Big Problem:

A developed utopian civilization is devoid of any crime, wars and oppression.
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2 + 3 = 5
Got it!
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boom33
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Quite simple really when you have the ability to sit and listen
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blahblah5
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Hey OP. The way you translated the relationship between those elements to numbers and then to words is very similar to how I'm applying what I call "numerological math" to the "thirteen intentions of creation." I have identified 13 principles or intentions of Creation. You can read about them here: [ [link to www.conspiracybase.com] ]

I agree 100% with the idea that perspective is essential for a good understanding of the universe. Funnily enough, it was a computer game that taught me about consciousness, reality and perspective -- exactly as you mention.
 Quoting: gus 762059


Interesting!

But why do you sell the content?

In the part that I could access it is said, "One of the reasons why there is no scientifically acceptable definition or interpretation of consciousness is because it can mean several things to different people."

How about that consciousness is not related to science?

Science, as we know it today, cannot define consciousness because consciousness is not scientific.

What do you think?

Thanks.
 Quoting: chaol 183770


Needs better science that is based on perception, rather than observation.

For example, integrating '(caffeine)' consciousness(the set of relationships being "handled" by the symbols of '(caffeine)') leads to (apparently) consistent outcomes.

Consciousness appears to be an associative phenomenon. Science, as we know it today, strives to control associations for its falsification tests. This means there are some assumptions about what is/is-not relevant to the test, and the experiment becomes "self-fulfilling prophecy".

From the axiom of perspective, we can reason about perception, rather than observation.

This would simplify the process of testing outcomes for each perspective (rather than depending on authorities to interpret arcanely-worded experiments).
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Also OP, I think that the general interpretation for the four elements that you mention (ion, axon, chaon, elementon) may correspond to four of the Thirteen Intentions of Creation, as I call them in my model. Or maybe you guys have simplified the 13 principles into five/four elements. I recognize that this is possible.

Great stuff.
 Quoting: gus 762059


Hello!

As is quoted on the website, "A theory is more impressive the greater is the simplicity of its premise,
the more different are the kinds of things it relates and the more extended its range of applicability…" -Albert Einstein

It could be careful that when a "theory of everything" is created that it applies to everything and not just scientific things.

Science today is busy working on a theory that applies to an ever-smaller slice of the universe (and accessible to an ever-shrinking scientific body).

A universal theory must be truly universal and have the ability to be applied to everything, not just today's science.

What do you think?

Thanks.
 Quoting: chaol 183770


It is logical.

Perhaps the intent is to reason from "first principles", which, for the physicists, is the laws of physics.

For physicists, a unifying theory of physics attains a conceptual interface unto the universe.

Especially with the concept of mathematical representation (and calculation, computation, automation).

It is not a simple task to operate from a different set of first principles for a perspective where the physical vacation provides benefits such as telephone, radio, television, internet, smart devices, social media, memes, blogs, entertainment, etc.

Even using a nonstandard calendar would desynchronize one's circadian rhythm and smart devices from semi-digital civilization.
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Interesting!

But why do you sell the content?

In the part that I could access it is said, "One of the reasons why there is no scientifically acceptable definition or interpretation of consciousness is because it can mean several things to different people."

How about that consciousness is not related to science?

Science, as we know it today, cannot define consciousness because consciousness is not scientific.

What do you think?

Thanks.
 Quoting: chaol 183770


well. that is pretty much what is written later on that section. lol.

as you said yourself: "When the totality of something cannot be grasped, it appears infinite."

equations break down or stop making sense with infinite values, hence science not being able to include consciousness in their models.
 Quoting: gus 762059


(Darn it, this site doesn't recognize the infinity icon)

INFINITY + 0 = INFINITY

I don't know if that makes sense for you. Yet, it's logical, even within the constraints of social maths.
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That is how works the Caret Language and Drones -Google it-
Thanks OP
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Hello!

I did not know that Alienware computers had such iconography.

Interestingly, it is when humans adopt new symbols for their concepts that they truly transform into civilizations.

You could "double your IQ" in one year, so to speak, simply by creating and using your own language. (As long as it represented new concepts for which you did not previously have words.)

Thanks.
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Ahaha, and I suppose the conlang must not be constructed by the same ENGLISH that describes this hypothesis??

The thing is, there is this language of '(Grammar)', which comes with its own constraints, but might make this conlanging effort more streamlined and effective, if one were to take the time to learn the rules.

And if the language is simply for the self, the rules may not be so important, as long as they are logical to the one using the language.
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cant believe there are no bsflags
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I don't believe you are not seeing your own bs flag. It's Right There^
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Hello!

As is quoted on the website, "A theory is more impressive the greater is the simplicity of its premise,
the more different are the kinds of things it relates and the more extended its range of applicability…" -Albert Einstein

It could be careful that when a "theory of everything" is created that it applies to everything and not just scientific things.

Science today is busy working on a theory that applies to an ever-smaller slice of the universe (and accessible to an ever-shrinking scientific body).

A universal theory must be truly universal and have the ability to be applied to everything, not just today's science.

What do you think?

Thanks.
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I couldn't agree more... We lack a true universal theory.
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Ahahaha, maybe science do.

Why must it be "we"?
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well. that is pretty much what is written later on that section. lol.

as you said yourself: "When the totality of something cannot be grasped, it appears infinite."

equations break down or stop making sense with infinite values, hence science not being able to include consciousness in their models.
 Quoting: gus 762059


Yes!

It might be found one day that a new maths is.

The kind of maths that represent new concepts. Beyond base-10.

We assume that our maths is universal, when it is not the case. I'm reminded of Star Trek episodes where no matter where in the galaxy they are, English is widely spoken.

There is an advanced civilization that I know about that would not be able to readily solve "What is 1+5?"

Our cognitive framework works for us, right now. But it is not the end-all-be-all.

Thanks.
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Yes! There is a base-36 language and it uses the familiar 1 through 9 and the A through Z of the English language. This way, every letter has a mathematical value, and the common mathematical types such as primes and squares can be mapped to particular letter combinations that also spell an English word.

It is great for the programming languages synthesized from Maths and English. It is boring because it all reduces to binary logic anyway.

As a side note, using the symbols 0,1,2,3,5....we get base-5 numeration.
A neat pattern is that it takes 26(base-10) characters to get to the first 3-digit number 100(base-5)

Since the English alphabet has 26 letters, they can be used as ordinals to illustrate this:


A) 00
B) 01
C) 02
D) 03
E) 05
F) 10
G) 11
H) 12
I) 13
J) 15
K) 20
L) 21
M) 22
N) 23
O) 25
P) 30
Q) 31
R) 32
S) 33
T) 35
U) 50
V) 51
W) 52
X) 53
Y) 55
Z) 100

That means each English character can represent one of these values in base-5, and the benefit of capturing all 2-digit possibilities is that we can include an order of magnitude within the set without running headlong into complexity.
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Do svidaniya, page 2.
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cant believe there are no bsflags
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Hello!

Here is one more. bsflag

The funny thing is is that if 10 persons from the year 2520 started to post in this forum, they'd still get the same flags.

And if they told you they could receive communications from their devices in real time from the year 2520, they'd get a couple of more.

Thanks.
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I'm not as fancy as posting in this forum from half a century after, a humble decade is what I have to offer.

I receive communications from my devices in real time, in the year from which I post.

The interesting part of all this is why would 10 persons be starting to post in this forum from the year 2520?

GLP would survive that long?
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I couldn't agree more... We lack a true universal theory.
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Yes!

But if it could be applied to any field...

it would not appear to be scientific at all, would it?

Thanks.
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Let's pump the brakes here for a moment.

You can make any theory about any thing, even the universe.

The subject of the theory is not what makes it scientific or nonscientific.

Science is more about methodology than a theory representing some field (even a universal field).

What makes something scientific is if it can be tested and measured, and if the results and outcomes of the tests and measurements can be independently reproduced to either increase experimental consensus for the theory (where the outcome is replicable), or decrease experimental consensus (where the same conditions lead to a different outcome than what is predicted by the theory)(falsification).

If it can be measured, it can be tested. If we can test it, we can form predictions about the outcomes of the test. If predictions are consistently accurate, the system of prediction gets to become a theory.

A (useful) theory that is nonscientific, would be a theory that makes accurate predictions that are not based on a system of measurement or testing.
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I couldn't agree more... We lack a true universal theory.


Yes!

But if it could be applied to any field...

it would not appear to be scientific at all, would it?

Thanks.
 Quoting: chaol 183770


I guess not. A theory that cannot be disproved..nor ever proved in its entirety is certainly not scientific. To be proved, a theory of everything would have to be experimented on everything.
 Quoting: gus 762059


Ahaha, how about that a proof is an element of maths, not science?

Laughter aside...

A theory of everything begins like this:

1. What does everything have in common?
2. What is its essence?

And then you make predictions about that commonality and test it on anything and everything at all.

Here's the rub:

Whatever that commonality is, every thing you may believe "you" are is also included within that scope.

So the theory of everything includes a theory of self, and the most relative place to begin testing the theory is with the self.

Finally,

That which everything has in common is existence.
(It is impossible to experiment on any thing which does not exist)

So the theory of everything should begin with the theory of existence.

The working hypothesis of this thread appears to be:

The Essence of Existence is Relation.

Might be a good place to start.
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Hello!
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How's it going Marco Polo

Other sciences could take a hint from computer science.

Today we have specialists who spend lengthy hours writing code. Their program (hopefully) performs the desired result.

Tomorrow we have people who write what they want. Quickly and efficiently.

"Natural language" programming is the future of your computer sciences.

Instead of a *specialist* spending hours writing in a language few understand, we will have *anyone* communicating in their own language.
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Wait a minute, that would mean representing human logic in 1s and 0s mapped to '(True)' and '(False)' respectively!

No, go on...I didn't actually have a question, I simply wanted to exclaim the sudden insight I experienced a moment ago.

The ability for anyone being able to perform an activity that only a specialist could before has a transformative effect on society. We take these for granted, but there are countless instances in our history where you simply could not do the simplest of things without much trouble. (Imagine having to fill out a form and get approval every time you wanted to use a computer and only IF you had the proper authority THEN you could use it.)
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Yeesh, I'd rather imagine a 3D-printed house equipped with its own 3D printer that prints from encrypted blueprints that are represented on a graphical user interface where they can go to their favorite online stores and pay for items virtually and have them assembled through their 3D-print functionalities of the house.

Why not extend this evolution to all sciences?
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Yes, good thinking. My favorite part about all this is that the bottom line improves for everyone who partakes.

Thanks.
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Ne za shto
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Fighting for my Peugeot 403 at the moment :)
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Fighting for my Peugeot 403 at the moment :)
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Fingers Crossed TuuuR!

Good luck! :)
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Fighting for my Peugeot 403 at the moment :)
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Fingers Crossed TuuuR!

Good luck! :)
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Thanks!
I would be falling in the same trap again right now, so will be making other decisions.
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I guess not. A theory that cannot be disproved..nor ever proved in its entirety is certainly not scientific. To be proved, a theory of everything would have to be experimented on everything.
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Yes!

But to be proven useful, it would only have to be used once.

The more it is then used, the more useful it becomes.

Scientists here waste a lot of time doing what the general population could be doing. It requires a shift in thinking about "proof" and why scientific proof is necessary.

Why spend a long time proving (and arguing over the finer points of) something when it could just be used, instead?

The big difference is that only a few people can perform these tasks. So, the process is a lot more inefficient.

Thanks.
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My dilemma:

I would like to move on from this subject and I simultaneously desire to practice the skill of:

In this world we look at something and ignore most of what we see, thinking "that does not apply to me".

In my world we can form relationships with everything, thinking: how can I translate that into something useful to me?

Helps,

Thanks.
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Here is what I bring:

In my perspective, "proof" is not relative to science, but to math.
The analogy to science would seem to be "evidence".

However, a proof is constructed and evidence is gathered.

So the analogy doesn't work, unless the evidence is constructed by "selective" gathering (confirmatory bias). Even like this, it is similar in some way, but not quite "parallel".

At the very least, with Maths, either a Proof or a Disproof is considered valuable and necessary for furthering the development of the Maths.

With Science, the emphasis is on Falsification, meaning that if a claim, conjecture, concept or theory is ultimately UnFalsifiable, it is fundamentally UnScientific.

In this way, Science focuses primarily on Conceptual Negation and Maths is able to incorporate Conceptual Negation and Conceptual Position.
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I guess not. A theory that cannot be disproved..nor ever proved in its entirety is certainly not scientific. To be proved, a theory of everything would have to be experimented on everything.
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One more thing!

Science would fail its own test.

"Science", as you know it, is not scientific.

So much emphasis is put on scientific proof of something but the foundation of science rests on shaky ground.

Some 'rigorous method' is needed, of course. But it is probably not science as we currently understand it.

Thanks.
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The test of science is replicable outcomes under falsifiable conditions.

(This means that using the same stuff, you get the same result, each time, so a theory can be formulated based on the predictability. Falsifiable basically means that, if it can't be tested, it is neither correct nor incorrect.)

Logic seems to be a superior "rigorous method". Does Logic pass its own test? I had my doubts about this one, some years back.

The professor made good points, and yet the rules of logic seemed so arbitrary. Apparently "Logic" has become something "individual"-type.

With Logic, it really depends on the Axioms from which all reasoning is processed. Maths may use something similar called "Proofs".

(("We hold these truths to be self-evident..." (Declaration of Independence))

Personal, or Individuated Logic would flow from the Axiom of WHO.
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How can I change my perspective to go where you came from?
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What do you mean by "change my perspective" and "go"?

Or anywhere for that matter.
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This one's easy. Stand yourself up and walk on over to the next room. Or crawl, or use a wheelchair, or whatever locomotive means you normally utilize for access to other places.

Although, wouldn't it be easier for me to learn these concepts there?
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It may be easier (it may not), yet what is more important to consider is whether it would be more effective. Don't be so concerned with the ease or difficulty of the process. Concern yourself with the result.

Are there exercises I can do to practice this language to fully understand the concepts involved?
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What do you mean by "fully understand"?
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This is one of the best threads I've ever stumbled across here.
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There is no thread quite like this one.
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You mentioned that you were in Canada visiting your girlfriend, is she from here or your world?
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Interesting question.

In the event that his girlfriend is from OP's "alternate universe", then would she also be a "traveler"?
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I feel like I have changed a great deal of the programming I was taught. I understand this is something I am perceiving now so yes, the program is being re-created and/or changed now.

Yes, I would like to know who is changing the programming, LOL! I would like to know who is learning to use the Genius, who has a subconscious and who is perceiving. heh!

It's still hard to see it all as nothing or as illusion. I understand I feel I exist because I perceive and that's about it. The rest, I'm waiting for a lightbulb moment.
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Who is reading this right now?

Can you imagine the endless physical, electrical, mathematical, and mechanical processes that you have control of right now because you are able to represent those complex processes?

No one is doing that but you.

You are capable of it because you inherently know how to represent anything and then work with those representations.
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Yes, I can imagine all the endless things going on right now as I read this and it's because I have control of them....even though I don't consciously know how. But how does this tell me who I am? A mind?
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You are the most beautiful and wondrous thing that could ever be imagined.

You are Something born of nothing-in-particular.

How amazing is that!?

You are that which takes an infinity of perceptions to try and reproduce.

All of the sonnets, birds, poems, clouds, hats, and swords in the world try, time and time again, to capture your essence. But cannot.

You are the life of life. The beauty of beauty. The wonder of wonder. That which things things try to be but cannot. That is how awesome you are.

They try through all manner of drama, seemingly to create a universe of things that, sadly, cannot capture even a small fragment of the impossible-to-perceive.

Although these things can be beautiful and not, happy and sad, at times thrilling or entirely boring, and everything in between, it is really just a distraction from your essence.

Who are you? You are whomever you are, whomever is possible to be.

But these things are confusing. Who wants to be nothing-in-particular when we can have the illusion of something-in-particular.

And so here you are. Impossible to define, impossible to perceive, impossible to merely think of.. but how wonderfully awesome is it that we can try.

And "try" is this essence. It is all we can do, and it is enough to create an endless universe of yourself, exploding at every moment and filling it again with an entirely new outlook of yourself.

But this "yourself" is not the you that wears clothes and eats food. It is YOU. The most relative thing to you. Your clothes do not illustrate this. The dishes on the table do not capture this. It is so wonderfully hidden because it is this nothing-in-particular, yet everything that could possibly be.

Are you alone? It would seem from my description that you are. What else is there when you are everything?

But the secret of this nothing-in-particular is that you have created an entire universe of perspective because this "alone" is irrelevant!

As soon as "nothing" is irrelevant it 'creates' SOMETHING. How can something be irrelevant when there is nothing else with which to compare?

So here you are.

"Alone in the universe..." is only something to be sad about if there was once two and now one.

Now there is an infinity of you so that it is impossible. And this beauty, these hats, these endless swords, and all the poems that will ever be written are a part of something entirely wondrous and beautiful.

Think of it as a gift from nowhere. It is only an illusion if there is something 'real' with which to compare it. So this story, these epic dramas we call existence is all that needs to be and is the most real thing that could ever possibly be.

You are all that you need to be right now. When I say that everything exists here and now I mean that there is no need to be anyone else, go anyplace else, do anything else, other than what you are doing right now.

Until this YOU perceives something else.

In one word, the you I have illustrated is Perfection.
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Beautiful...
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Re: Notes from an "alternate universe". Introduction to a new way of thinking.
How can I change my perspective to go where you came from? Or anywhere for that matter. Although, wouldn't it be easier for me to learn these concepts there? Are there exercises I can do to practice this language to fully understand the concepts involved?
 Quoting: sedrick 720021


Hello!

One's perspective is endlessly flexible.
 Quoting: chaol 183770


And yet, entirely stable! :)

However, we usually keep within a certain 'range' that is comfortable for us.
 Quoting: chaol 183770


Seems fair, better for all to get along, or most, at least, if not all.

I'm sure some might not be too pleased with that, and what is there to do??

-->To attempt to become most, it seems, if not all.

Changing your perspective is as simple as changing the representations that make up your world.
 Quoting: chaol 183770


Such as, reasoning from the "we" rather than from the "I".

It is like asking ourselves every moment, "What is my world?". We usually decide our world is the one we're used to.
 Quoting: chaol 183770


Hey, if I has a better idea I should make it logical to We. We is taking good care of We by remaining logical to We.

The idea, then, is to get out of your perceptual comfort zone.
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Hmmmm, how about listening to a song with the perspective that it is the mind-altering event that it is?

As I reach into the caverns of the subliminal mind, a thought forms around the phrase "We Are The Ones" and here's the song:



From the lyrics:

"We Are One"

We are one, somehow, and I is the other one.

Which is the structure and which is the representation?

For example, if you were to tape a magnet to your hand for 3 weeks you would feel strange at first but after some time the magnet would become a part of you. You have thus expanded your perspective and would be able to sense more electromagnetic energies than you did before. You could probably even navigate via your internal sense of cardinal points. This is because you would have a new sense of what represents you.
 Quoting: chaol 183770


Interesting! Would 'internal sense of cardinal points' be something different from the cardinal points on a compass (usually intended for navigating externally)?

We create representations to 'define' our self all the time. It is this group of representations that create the world you see. (Ecsys defines consciousness as the relationship between representations.)
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Wow......how does the group of representations do that? Is there a technical approach to this?

So, very basically and practically-speaking:

1) find something that represents what it is you want to experience
2) interact with it
3) find something that better represents it
4) repeat
 Quoting: chaol 183770


Hey Marco, what happens in the case of too much attachment to the transient symbol?

As I previously mentioned, someone from year 2000 cannot just appear in year 1000 and expect to experience much. They must first change their 'internal' representations for things. Because when they go to year 1000 everything is completely different and beyond what they'd expect.

They could:

1) gradually change their perspective to continuously embody new representations
2) intensely study the years 700-1200 (for example) so that they develop the internal flexibility to conceptualize what it means to perceive year 1000
 Quoting: chaol 183770


Wow this sounds real cool, for either option really. So with this technological advancements from Ecsys-related developments, perhaps history-lovers will finally be able to find meaningful work as "Time Travel Guides"...

Thanks.
 Quoting: chaol 183770


Welcome,
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Re: Notes from an "alternate universe". Introduction to a new way of thinking.
Hello!

Other sciences could take a hint from computer science.

Today we have specialists who spend lengthy hours writing code. Their program (hopefully) performs the desired result.

Tomorrow we have people who write what they want. Quickly and efficiently.

"Natural language" programming is the future of your computer sciences.

Instead of a *specialist* spending hours writing in a language few understand, we will have *anyone* communicating in their own language.

The ability for anyone being able to perform an activity that only a specialist could before has a transformative effect on society. We take these for granted, but there are countless instances in our history where you simply could not do the simplest of things without much trouble. (Imagine having to fill out a form and get approval every time you wanted to use a computer and only IF you had the proper authority THEN you could use it.)

Why not extend this evolution to all sciences?

Thanks.
 Quoting: chaol 183770

OP,
could we easily understand the code of someone else's natural language programming? I imagine that we would experience the output, but the language itself would appear as a black box system? Does that mean that only the originator would be able to modify it?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 728812


I'm not OP and I would like to interrupt this conversation.

The language would only inherently be a black box system if the method for doing natural language programming is black box...like if some rogue programmer creates her own interface language and it allows for input from other people, for example. It would be a natural language programming event, and yet the core logic of how the meaning of the inputs is parsed would be obscured.

However, if the method for natural language programming is co-created by many, there would likely be some shared rules that could be referenced for translating one user's program to another user's system.

By the way, we are only 10 years down the road and things are rapidly moving in this direction bro.

Would you believe it? The bottleneck seems to be UX and Interfaces. LOL!
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Re: Notes from an "alternate universe". Introduction to a new way of thinking.
Can you explain the timing of your appearance in our world/ Why now and why on this forum (or have you appeared before)?

Does it have anything to do with the upcoming shift of this sphere to Fourth Density?
 Quoting: Blake


Timing is Key for Surfing the Wave...

How long does an upcoming shift last?

I ask, because I know some who have inherited the thousands-years-old beliefs that the end is nigh.
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Re: Notes from an "alternate universe". Introduction to a new way of thinking.
Fighting for my Peugeot 403 at the moment :)
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Fingers Crossed TuuuR!

Good luck! :)
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Thanks!
I would be falling in the same trap again right now, so will be making other decisions.
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Ha! The old dog still has fight left does it?
Don't let us down and never ever give up! That is Rule number 1 of course.





GLP