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Notes from an "alternate universe". Introduction to a new way of thinking.

 
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poetry's cool though
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it has been 10 years since i interacted with this thread; last time was in 2012, under the Username Mulchefye....a lot has happened since then, all to bring me to this point and Perspective. i believe i was led back to You and this Thread for a reason....i re-found ya by complete accident whilst searching for a lost Mulchefye song, the Master Tape of which was destroyed in the Great Fire of 2012....didnt find it, found YOU instead. you know who i am; more importantly, you know WHAT i am. i think we ought to talk in Private, if such a thing is of interest to You. hit me up @ +1 347 903 8203 or [email protected] i eagerly look forward to hearing from You. and once again, sorry for shutting off the Signal from Montreal back in 1990, which you certainly could have taken as an insult since my friend Gordie (R.I.P.) and i deliberately called You; truth is we freaked out when you actually showed up (disguised as fat Multicolored egg-shaped ufo) hovering over Montreal and cut the signal off, thus confusing you and causing You to send Probes down onto the roof of Alexis Nihon looking for us, freaking out those People in the Pool lol! Gordie passed over to Your Side in 2015, ask Him about it. when the Weather gets warmer, im going to go back to Montreal, to the top of Mount Royal, where the giant Cross is, and i will call AGAIN, and THIS time i doubt if i will be scared off hehehe

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it has been 10 years since i interacted with this thread;

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I hope you have better luck than I in reaching him
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Spot on



It's all for good reason, I assure you. It's not as bad as may be thought.

Perhaps there is no real "materiality". Non-physical things can also be thought of as material because there is not really any difference between the two compositions.

They're all just representations, even "spiritual".

Thanks.
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Here's the outline I have so far:

Part One: The Nature of Reality
Chapter 1: The Simple Way to Understand Everything
Chapter 2: In Pursuit of the Universe

Part Two: Being Human
Chapter 3: Consciousness Does Not Exist
Chapter 4: You Are Not Human

Part Three: Human Questions
Chapter 5: The Reason We Exist
Chapter 6: There is No Evil (or Good)

Part Four: The Power of Mogic to Change Your Perspective
Chapter 7: What is Mogic?
Chapter 8: Mogic Examples

Part Five: Advanced Mogic
Chapter 9: Mental Mogic
Chapter 10: Discovering Reality

Everything in the book is derived from the main thesis, that reality can be understood and worked with using the formula of perspective.

If anyone has something they'd like covered please reply here and I'll see if it has room in this book or perhaps a follow-up book - Thanks!
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Is there a book available that ended up following this outline? The Secret of Everything is fantastic but I wish it'd've covered mogic
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Yeah, Chaol is a lot more patient that I am, too :)

I don't think an extra 10 or 20 years makes much difference. But actually I'm beginning to see how time makes less and less sense. It's a framework, definitely, but not one we must operate in.

Like when I am dreaming I have a sense of physical time but I know it is just a reference and don't need to operate in it. (But, as soon as I move beyond the time framework, my memory of the experience isn't so good.)
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Re: bolded section: time is making less and less sense to me, too (quite welcome-ly, considering my posts). But until one knows how to not operate in it, it's just losing one's mind. I guess that's part of the process, but man
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[Snip]

"Teleportation" is then the opposite of what we imagine it to be. You are going through a type of perspective-wormhole that substantially decreases velocity (not increases it to teleport you across space at a faster rate).

Teleportation is travelling through less space in more time. It is going much slower in space and faster in time. (Faster as in, "Time has been compressed at a higher rate per unit of space".)

The further the physical distance the more perspective-mass (the force of time) that is needed, as it requires more resistance (energy) to bring a perspective that isn't 'nearby' into your reality.

[Snip]
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It seems like everything is the opposite of what we imagine it to be, "in reality."
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Thank you :D

My world is/was more than fine, I think. But actually I have forgotten nearly everything about it (and also the old material).

And as you might know I've written a fictionalized version of the story (available at the bottom of [link to www.qmetaphysics.com] ) that kind of details past/present/future. In the story, Levi is me whereas Alphen is Chaol.

Good to see you back!
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Ah. That explains some things. I wish I had an Alphen
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I am finally on the other side of the bridge

Not Chaol
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 35315240


What I mean is I have a different perspective than I did years ago.

Not Chaol.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 35315240

It is nice that so many more of us are beginning to 'cross the bridge'
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I feel like I'm on a very, very long bridge, with either end obscured by fog. Things, on one end, that used to make sense to me now seem absurd and rather backwards, but I also can't make heads nor tails of the other end. It's very lonely, not being able to relate to either side. One is too complicated, the other too simple, no one else is here to meet in the middle (or, maybe a little closer to the "beginning" side than true middle, I can tell and won't be able to until I'm across the bridge). The end result is how I can see the complexity and absurdity of the "old perspective," but I can't yet "create" anything in the "new" one.
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Spot on

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It's all for good reason, I assure you. It's not as bad as may be thought.

Perhaps there is no real "materiality". Non-physical things can also be thought of as material because there is not really any difference between the two compositions.

They're all just representations, even "spiritual".

Thanks.


You ARE talking about the spiritual worlds here, you know.
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Damn. Why are you people so often fucking up posts by messing with the quote tags? Trying to correct this by twiddling them a bit.


Spot on

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It's all for good reason, I assure you. It's not as bad as may be thought.

Perhaps there is no real "materiality". Non-physical things can also be thought of as material because there is not really any difference between the two compositions.

They're all just representations, even "spiritual".

Thanks.


You ARE talking about the spiritual wolrds here, you know.
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Damn. Why are you people so often fucking up posts by messing with the quote tags? Trying to correct this by twiddling them a bit.


Spot on


It's all for good reason, I assure you. It's not as bad as may be thought.

Perhaps there is no real "materiality". Non-physical things can also be thought of as material because there is not really any difference between the two compositions.

They're all just representations, even "spiritual".

Thanks.

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You ARE talking about the spiritual wolrds here, you know.
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I've been considering an alternate view of war. I saw it said recently (couldn't tell you where or by whom, no idea of its credibility) that Aphrodite was once considered a goddess of both love (and beauty, and sexuality) and war. Not in the sense that Athena was a goddess of war, as she was more the goddess of war in relation to strategy (logic, reason, wisdom).
...

Also my opinion about costume parties is that they're for people who don't have an enjoyable social life.


 Quoting: Chaordic Metalogues

Makes me think of the Indian goddess Kali (or Durga), who is at the same time a mother goddess and a horribe monster.

Costume parties might also be for bored people. Those who have it all.

You have interesting thoughts.
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Congratulations on your use of the word "YET". Creating the new will come more easily once the old paradigm falls completely, with us who remain having a clear insight into why it all went so terribly wrong. Then we are capable of carrying out corrections which are permanent rather than temporary and cosmetic.

But we are still in the chaotic stage, where all varieties of truth are emerging, making us question everything, as we should. This is the benefit of the "dark side" - it plays a role in that it forces us to move in a more godlike direction. Not everyone will do this. At the moment it is a "lonely road", as you describe, and a road less travelled ...


I am finally on the other side of the bridge

Not Chaol
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 35315240


What I mean is I have a different perspective than I did years ago.

Not Chaol.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 35315240

It is nice that so many more of us are beginning to 'cross the bridge'
 Quoting: Chaon


I feel like I'm on a very, very long bridge, with either end obscured by fog. Things, on one end, that used to make sense to me now seem absurd and rather backwards, but I also can't make heads nor tails of the other end. It's very lonely, not being able to relate to either side. One is too complicated, the other too simple, no one else is here to meet in the middle (or, maybe a little closer to the "beginning" side than true middle, I can tell and won't be able to until I'm across the bridge). The end result is how I can see the complexity and absurdity of the "old perspective," but I can't yet "create" anything in the "new" one.
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Colour Crusader: may we fill the world with vibrant colour, constant critical assessment and deep compassion, moving ever forward towards a paradise of our own creating

Thread THE WORLD WILL BECOME PEACEFUL, BEAUTIFUL AND ABUNDANT IF ..
Thread: The world will become peaceful, beautiful and abundant IF ....

Thread INCREDIBLE VOICES: THE MOST PERSONAL EXPRESSION OF THE HUMAN CONDITION
Thread: INCREDIBLE VOICES, AND MUSIC WHICH COMFORTS AND INSPIRES IN DIFFICULT TIMES

Thread: WHAT IS YOUR PROBLEM? CHOOSE THE QUALITY WHICH HELPS
Thread: HOW WE CAN SOLVE GLOBAL PROBLEMS BY CHOOSING A NUMBER BETWEEN 1 and 100

Thread: HOW FULFILLING IS YOUR JOB? WHAT IS YOUR VOCATION? DREAM ON ...
Thread: IS YOUR JOB USEFUL, AND HAVE RECENT DEVELOPMENTS HELPED YOU TO REFLECT ON YOUR REAL VOCATION?

Thread: QUESTION OF THE DAY Thread
Thread: QUESTION OF THE DAY: SELF-REFLECTION IS ESSENTIAL FOR SURVIVAL
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EVERYTHING is a reflection of the level of our spirituality. If we have no policemen, no judges and no government, that is the result of a very high level of spirituality on a world where everyone is sovereign and takes over completely responsibility for themselves. If we have a money system which erodes our respect for each living thing, if we require many rules and regulations to keep criminality in check, if systems of punishment are in place, if wars break out, this is a sign of a very low level of spirituality. There will be a moment when our earth will not be able to take it any more ...

Spot on

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It's all for good reason, I assure you. It's not as bad as may be thought.

Perhaps there is no real "materiality". Non-physical things can also be thought of as material because there is not really any difference between the two compositions.

They're all just representations, even "spiritual".

Thanks.
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You ARE talking about the spiritual worlds here, you know.

Colour Crusader: may we fill the world with vibrant colour, constant critical assessment and deep compassion, moving ever forward towards a paradise of our own creating

Thread THE WORLD WILL BECOME PEACEFUL, BEAUTIFUL AND ABUNDANT IF ..
Thread: The world will become peaceful, beautiful and abundant IF ....

Thread INCREDIBLE VOICES: THE MOST PERSONAL EXPRESSION OF THE HUMAN CONDITION
Thread: INCREDIBLE VOICES, AND MUSIC WHICH COMFORTS AND INSPIRES IN DIFFICULT TIMES

Thread: WHAT IS YOUR PROBLEM? CHOOSE THE QUALITY WHICH HELPS
Thread: HOW WE CAN SOLVE GLOBAL PROBLEMS BY CHOOSING A NUMBER BETWEEN 1 and 100

Thread: HOW FULFILLING IS YOUR JOB? WHAT IS YOUR VOCATION? DREAM ON ...
Thread: IS YOUR JOB USEFUL, AND HAVE RECENT DEVELOPMENTS HELPED YOU TO REFLECT ON YOUR REAL VOCATION?

Thread: QUESTION OF THE DAY Thread
Thread: QUESTION OF THE DAY: SELF-REFLECTION IS ESSENTIAL FOR SURVIVAL
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EVERYTHING is a reflection of the level of our spirituality. If we have no policemen, no judges and no government, that is the result of a very high level of spirituality on a world where everyone is sovereign and takes over completely responsibility for themselves. If we have a money system which erodes our respect for each living thing, if we require many rules and regulations to keep criminality in check, if systems of punishment are in place, if wars break out, this is a sign of a very low level of spirituality. There will be a moment when our earth will not be able to take it any more ...

Spot on

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It's all for good reason, I assure you. It's not as bad as may be thought.

Perhaps there is no real "materiality". Non-physical things can also be thought of as material because there is not really any difference between the two compositions.

They're all just representations, even "spiritual".

Thanks.
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 Quoting: Colour Crusader

You ARE talking about the spiritual worlds here, you know.


Your post is fucked up. Someone before you messed with the quote tags.

That last line, "You ARE talking about the spiritual worlds here, you know"looks like it is part of your reply, but it was MY reply.
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I've been considering an alternate view of war. I saw it said recently (couldn't tell you where or by whom, no idea of its credibility) that Aphrodite was once considered a goddess of both love (and beauty, and sexuality) and war. Not in the sense that Athena was a goddess of war, as she was more the goddess of war in relation to strategy (logic, reason, wisdom).
...

Also my opinion about costume parties is that they're for people who don't have an enjoyable social life.


 Quoting: Chaordic Metalogues

Makes me think of the Indian goddess Kali (or Durga), who is at the same time a mother goddess and a horribe monster.

Costume parties might also be for bored people. Those who have it all.

You have interesting thoughts.
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Boredom is no excuse and it never will be. I have only judgment for the bored, and of the most severe degree.

Unless they are bored whores, then I don't mind. It's not my business, and yes, pun intended.

Very confusing. I mean when someone is having a drudgery for an experience, it's their own fault. Perhaps they should go into eternal rest? They won't be missed.

As for the sexual connotation that part is where I say I have no opinion about it. Actually now that I wrote it I do recall one time considering how whores do contribute much to society and probably should be to treated with exaltation and respect. Mothers, too - women in general.

Why? Because there are differences needs and dilemmas, different services and roles that can be fulfilled for others.

Men are mostly stupid, I know, I am one. It's nice that there are different women.

Yeah though, about costume parties, I play a game where I pretend to be a wingman who helps others have a good time. It's so different from how I naturally am, that it feels rewarding to play in such a costume.

Don't ever think I don't include myself in my own judgments. I'm still quite hypocritical though, but it's primarily unconscious. Where I can notice it, I see it for what it is, hypocrisy, and I note it. I learn from it and learn to recognize it when I see it.

As they say in quantum whatchamacallit, the observation changes the outcome or as they say in the ecsys whatchamacallit, perception is interaction.

Woho, check to see if you didn't mix together comments from different individuals and misattribute them to me.

It would be quite ironic if the struggle with the quote function on these posting mechanisms suffered endless miscommunication in this direction and that direction and so I will point out the obvious - God, I love pointing out the obvious - and it's this:

Look how easy it is to be delusional through know fault of your own and with no one to blame, it was a mechanical error, if it occurred, and yet, delusional - as the state, and not the content of the delusion, - is true.

Be wary and Watchful and prudent and smart. And don't mind that capitalized W, it was autocorrect for some reason making it that way. It did so repeatedly so I left it. Mechanical adjustments along the way.

And especially don't mind the grammatical abominations. Such things had been some of the earliest tongue-in-cheek moments of what i read in this thread, I figure it doesn't mind. It's no biggie.

Well it looks like I had a lot to say here and I wondered.

Be well, stranger, and treat others well. Take care.
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Fare well, Reader.

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Very kewl topic and what GLP should have more of.

Did you get this shit out of the Vatican vaults or under a pyramid in Egypt ??

Anyways, keep enlightening us please.
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Chaos for all

Let it be
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A course in miracles in a different form. Very cool.
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How can I do this? How do I know what is more relative - can I experience someone else's past, for instance? Say a time in a close friend's childhood, that I've heard a story about.... or should I try for a field a few miles away?
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That's a bit tricky. You are all ready experiencing an other past, as "them".

What you are asking to do is experience their past as you.

You could experience their past as an aspect of your past (as both are within your perspective) but the trick is to remember it from your current perspective.

(We are doing this now but are not aware of it.)

So we become aware of it by relating it with our current perspective.

Keep in mind that we can only experience "past" (not "now") and there is no past or future. There is only that which is less relative, and that which is more.

As a rule of thumb, the distant past is less relative than the immediate past. And an other person is less relative than your immediate person (you). Though these are sometimes not the case.

For efficiency's sake we tend to relate to things that are more like our current perspective. So, in essence, you forget your experience as your friend.

So as the past exists now you can either 1) "make" the past more relative to your current perspective with a new aspect; or 2) relate something in the 'past' perspective with your current one.

For #1 you will not likely be aware of when you are "changing the past", but your Genius is. We do it all the time without realizing it. If this was illustrated in a television series it would be like making a water tower in your town a different color. But when you "get there" you will only ever know of it being that new color, because you will be on a new timeline (though there are no timelines).

It won't be the same world, as you remember it, but the change shouldn't be noticeable at all. You will just know a different kind of world than the one you started with in your intention. The world you experience is as valid as the other world (as both are representations). You'll find a way to fit the "new" thing in the logical narrative of the "past" perspective.

For this, you would take something new and make it relative. It should have some conceivable relationship with the perspective you're trying to get to. If you want to go 500,000 years to another perspective (aspect of your current perspective) then you could take a rock and develop a story around it that relates to 500,000 years separate. If this sounds familiar it is because it is the same way the Genius works. It's just a change of perspective.

The harder part isn't experiencing the past perspective, though. It is being consciously aware, from your self that is reading these words now, that you are experiencing it.

You could also just 'stay there' but your perspective would shift to the new aspect and your current self would never know you were there. In your current perspective perhaps the air outside your window would have a sulfur smell for a few hours when the perspectives are made relatve, or the sky would radiate a different color. In the 'past' perspective maybe you hear a strange sound from another world, or see a form you have never seen before, or learn something new, etc.

For #2 you would do the same thing but you would use something you know is all ready relative. The process is the same.

We do this quite often. I would even think most of us do this several thousand times a day. To take an extreme example, imagine a person that has been traumatized by a past event...

As they "remember" they are mentally changing their perspective to what is happening now, in another aspect of their perspective. They may be somewhat aware of the change and their body is responding to it. There may be a heightened level of anxiety, for example, or a change in mood. The other perspective's "you" is also aware of the relationship and may experience a variety of things.

An experience of "past" will also be a new experience, as new relationships are involved. Oftentimes we may even place these new perspectives in our future, through a repeated pattern for example.

You can change your past in the same way that you can change your future, but you will likely not know that it has been changed because it will seem logical in all directions (subconsciously and perhaps even consciously).

It doesn't matter if it is someone else's past or your own. What matters are the relationships that make it relevant to your current perspective (so you can be aware of it).

So to learn how to get to, say, a childhood friend's past experience years ago let's consider how a person can "travel" to a traumatic event in their past and them being conscious of it.

How do you think this happens?
 Quoting: Chaol


Oh gosh! I have tried to follow this but I am having trouble. The words make sense but I can't fully grasp what you are saying.

So, to consider the last bit above, in bold.....

A person could 'travel' to a traumatic event in their past by 'remembering' it and making it more relative to their current perspective.... bringing it from the distance, nearer, yes?
Remembering makes it more relative; to 'travel' to it you have to make it even more relative. How could this be done?
How can I 'travel' to someone else's experience if I can't 'remember' it myself?
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It is traumatic because they are making it more present.

They are taking one part of their perspective and "merging" it with an other more distant part. It is easier to do where the body is concerned. All that is needed is a logical narrative.

The same principles of time travel are involved, where one takes an event in the past-present perspective and merges it with the present-present perspective.

By "remembering" it you are actually re-creating it. You may even be remembering something that did not happen before (until you re-created it as part of the past narrative).

Sometimes we even "remember" someone else's trauma as our own.

Where do you want to go, specifically? Perhaps I can help.
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The offer wasn't made to me, but would you be willing to help?

I (think I) understand a lot of the above. I understand how a traumatic event is felt in the present moment when something with the same/a similar configuration of relationships "occurs" and how it re-creates the conditions in the body present during the initial event (elevated heart rate, shortness of breath, chest/stomach pain, etc.). I see how this applies to remembering other events, as well (thinking of a happy time makes you feel happy now, for example). I don't understand, however, how to shift perspective to a "past" perspective and do so from the "current me" typing these words, which is what you said is the tricky part.

I get that I'm "already there," but I don't get how to see it or how to see it purposefully. There have been two instances where I "went back in time" (interpreted relationships a certain way) to 2015 and 2012 "from" 2020 and 2022, respectively, but each instance was momentary and gone by the time I registered the difference. The first time was purposeful, but recreating the process that I used that time has been unsuccessful. The second time was completely on accident (consciously, at any rate).

How do I "get back to" a certain time while realizing I've done so and retaining my "current" memories? It's frustrating because at this point I know it's possible, I just don't know how I did it but now it's impossible to give up.
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Re: Notes from an "alternate universe". Introduction to a new way of thinking.
Sabado I see you as a help. :-)

Also insisting on time travel of the sort that ignores the conventions of logical progression of events? What is time supposed to be, anyway?

Curious why you'd seek to return to the past as your current mode.

And wonder if you've ever traumatized your younger self by abruptly visiting him from the future, without notice or invitation?

I have.

It took a bit of time to forgive myself for that, but I forgave myself for that.

I like the quoted words, quite relevant and a sort of comfort if I may.

Happy travels.





GLP