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Notes from an "alternate universe". Introduction to a new way of thinking.

 
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As you can see, as can be seen, nothing really changes - but - it follows along as it does and has and continues doing so and being so. That's how it is. It's like that.

Still here I am, yeah, moving along as moving along goes.

How's it going? Written to the wall, or like, on it. Scribbled in nescience.

Who knew...?
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Sabado I see you as a help. :-)

Also insisting on time travel of the sort that ignores the conventions of logical progression of events? What is time supposed to be, anyway?

Curious why you'd seek to return to the past as your current mode.

And wonder if you've ever traumatized your younger self by abruptly visiting him from the future, without notice or invitation?

I have.

It took a bit of time to forgive myself for that, but I forgave myself for that.

I like the quoted words, quite relevant and a sort of comfort if I may.

Happy travels.
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I contest the idea of a "logical progression of events." As our friend Chaol has alluded to (I can't remember the exact words off the top of my head), we interpret patterns from chaos and make up the logic as we go along. The only logic that is universally applicable is the progression from structured perspective to unstructured perspective. If "the past" is less structured than "the future," the logical progression is toward "the past." The question I have that has yet to be answered in so many words is "how to make the past less structured than the future." I know the answer is in representation, but I don't quite have the understanding yet to experience what I'd like to. Or maybe I do, but I'm too fearful to acknowledge it.

Time is many things, depending on where in the equation it's placed, but for my purposes it's best explained as a quality of any given perception. A perception's "coordinate" in time is an aspect of its qualia.

I'd like to return to the past as my current mode because I'd like to explore the past environment in different ways than I already have, but with all my senses and not just my sense of imagination. Nothing more to it than that, really, but there doesn't have to be.

As far as traumatizing myself, I personally find it sort of moot. Considering I'd be my younger self and not be visiting my younger self, who is there to traumatize? Also, any trauma that's ever been inflicted on me has been by my self, as anybody else perceivable is "me" but in a different time's pace formation. I happen to find the infliction of linear time concept traumatizing, un-learning it has felt suspiciously similar to un-learning religious trauma, beliefs set by domestic abuse, and bodily trauma.

As for notice or invitation (or lack thereof), I'm fairly unconcerned. Any perception we find ourselves faced with has a basis in a kind of "universal consent," as we are one with our perceptions. We cannot possibly experience anything without our consent, though this consent may not always be recognized by the "conscious" aspect of ourselves. Forgiveness is easy from there, though it requires abandoning the concept of victim/aggressor, which we're not so fond of doing (I've struggled with it as much as anyone).

I like "Sabado" :)
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Since I am replying to the most recent entry on this thread I won't quote it. This will also keep the response neat. However my memory of what is written there will be imprecise.

Firstly Sabado, you're welcome for the symbolic empowerment and resource usage optimization, it's a specialty of mine.

However you are annoying in how you write and respond because you claim to be seeking answers yet spend a greater portion of your writing explaining things in detail with various references to idiosyncratic phrasing that has occurred in these threads one way or another.

That is, you may lack awareness yet about this pattern in your lingo, that your communication comes through deceptively. If you're going to articulate your own answers, cease asking questions in the public places. Why? Because it's annoying, is why.

The reason why it's annoying is because only those who are inclined to assist you somehow will find themselves in that awkward position of attempting to communicate possible answers to you, and instead find themselves reading your thinking written explicitly. The ones who would never help you dont encounter this trap.

It basically means you aggravate the well intentioned while having no effect on the ill intentioned. Of course you have already written how you find your own answers in bemusing the questions.

Then, figure such things out in private. I've been in such a position of openly writing thoughts without being open for suggestions or possibilities. It's a waste of anything.

Despite all this I've written and replied variously though you didn't need it. You have found use for most of it. That's good.

If you'd like assistance you may clarify so. Otherwise, it looks from here that you are on your own track and going where you are looking to be.

Carry on, phenomenon.

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I lack no awareness in my idiosyncratic use of lingo (all ways, an other, time's pace, etc.) because it is representative of the fact "I" am a combination of all I have been exposed to. If I like the way something is phrased or expressed, I use it. Imitation, it is said, is the highest form of flattery.

As for my "claiming" to seek and answers and yet spending time explaining being aggravating, any time anyone writes anything (or thinks, or does) they exploring their own perspective. I am no different. I explain to no one but myself. Explaining one aspect of something — in order to gain more understanding of it myself — also does not detract from the fact that I am seeking answers in an other aspect.

I have had really one central question, directed toward Chaol/The Builder. I have asked (and answered) other questions peripheral to my "goal," but that one hasn't really changed. Any time I pose a question it's really to them. If others would like to respond, well-intentioned or ill, that's well and good. If they find me annoying or don't want to give me answers because the way I go about exploring is aggrevating, that's also fine. But I will keep trying until they tell me as much.

I'm not sure what you're interpreting as me being unwilling to be open to suggestions or possibilities, nor what you mean by "and instead find themselves reading your thinking explicitly." Clarification would be appreciated.


I do not expect help, but I'm not obligated to keep my musings private. I find greater value in whatever I say being open to response, which I've already indicated.

Of course I would like assistance, I've made that abundantly clear. You asked why I would like to experience a past version of me in my current mode, I answered. You asked what time is supposed to be, I answered with my interpretation. I don't see how my responses preclude me from wanting help.

Perhaps it precludes me from wanting your help, but I can't help that.
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I didn't recognize you due to the changed handle, but my friend you being consistently annoyed with me is a you problem. You keep interacting with me. If you find me so bothersome, feel free to ignore me or leave the thread. It's dead besides me, if "me" offends you then why do you keep coming back? If you see me as a lost case, why keep interacting?

You obviously are under the impression that you have a different and better understanding of things than I. Your interpretation is valid, but from your responses it's clear that it is significantly different from what is "taught" in the original iteration of this thread. That is fine, but it isn't what I'm looking or asking for. The way you used the word "logical" is indication enough, logic isn't unilateral and exploring other modes of "logical" expression is sort of "the point."

Have you considered that you are not as helpful, or able to be to me, as you believe you are? It would be fine if that were the case, one perspective cannot be useful to all others. If someone's response to someone else's particular mode of communicating is "well, I would've helped you, but you're annoying," perhaps the help isn't what is needed. Persisting as if it is, instead of moving on to perceptions that are more constructive, is a great way to stay annoyed.

Continue to choose to be annoyed, it's no rain on my parade. Like I indicated, I'm going to keep asking questions of OP until either they answer, I answer myself, or they tell me to, in probably nicer words, fuck off. In the meantime, you can continue being annoyed by it or we can have actual discussion. Or you can choose to no longer interact. It's up to you, your perceptions and all.

From where I stand, you are the one not open to possibilities and suggestions. Though I suppose that is still me not being open to possibilities and suggestions.
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What a difference two replies can make, and how meanings can change in the span of a moment's progression.

Well then. That about says it all, doesn't it?

One thing I will say is that you are not me, Sabai Adonis. You are a separate being with no important relation to me. We write in english so it can become confusing to work from beyond it where we think, but you are not me and you will never be me.

Only I is me, if you can parse that logic.

Thanks for all the compliments.

You will never be whole for as long as you attempt to be one with what I am. You can only attempt, and what a waste of breath.

The thread isn't dead, the Builder will return, and as I wrote good luck originally in terms of receiving a reply.

Nothing changed, it seems. For that, see the note written prior about how it doesn't change. It really doesn't.

Though funny that growth seems to require change, but could be said that it doesn't. It's quite a thought.

I'd bet a coin you thought that was written to you.
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I see we've chosen to remain annoyed.

You consider yourself whole while denying that your perceptions (me, in this instance) are yourself. That's interesting. I never claimed to want to be whole, nor do I consider it to be possible. Wholeness is non-existence. Do you exist?

Rest assured that I do not want to be you. The me that is you is perfectly represented as you and I'm fine for it to remain that way. To assume otherwise is quite interesting.

The thread is dead until The Builder returns, just as Jesus was dead in the tomb. That is to say, not dead at all except in representation. But you deny everything they've ever said.

You seem to have taken my second reply to be hostile. That is also within your perception.

Change is irrelevant, and of course it was written to your self.
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Telling all about how you perceive an other in perspective and ideas about them, while insisting it means a self-description, tells me lots about the perspective itself.

Including a narrative of me! That's fun

I've never been so popular that someone invented explanations for my activity...

Oh......well...

I choose to remain sincere all ways, despite how funny sarcasm some times is.

Been listening to some comedy stuff. Lots of fun

Had cold drinks earlier
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I see
 Quoting: Sabai_Adonais


This is going to sound passive aggressive, probably, but I couldn't find anything else worth quoting, which I am doing to indicate that this post is to you.

Here's what I wanted to write below (be at peace, man)

Did you listen to the song? It's pretty good right? The lyrics are a bit weird but vaguely on point I suppose

Imagine that grin with the line "So you got the best of me, so amazingly..."

Well I like it. I also like being a good sport, it takes a bit of practice ....I gues...
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If you look at the other songs by the guy he obviously is singing to a girl and stuff and that's not what I meant to convey, it's not like that. It's just a great line. Good sport.

It's something about learning to move on in life. Don't get me wrong this isn't a hint to move on, to anyone. Just sharing stuff I learned. Hope it helps.

Carry on phenomenon. Let it be.

(And don't talk to strangers chuckle )
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Now who's using idiosyncratic referential lingo? Perhaps you and I are not as different as you seem to think we are.

I have no narrative of you. The "explanations" of your behavior are of your behavior itself, no more explanation need exist. To me you are completely re-presented as words on a screen in a particular order. There need not be more than that. Does that make you uncomfortable?

All of perception is self description. You perceive me as an annoyance, where does that annoyance originate? Certainly not from me, nothing I do or say could be so whittled down into a single word. Parts of it, maybe, maybe the parts you focus on. But it's you who focuses on then, not me.

You claim to remain sincere all ways, and maybe you do. But you detect insincerity and deception and others. Where does those come from, those perceptions of yours?

I perceive you as assuming I want to be you, whatever that means. I perceive you as thinking you have wisdom to offer where it may not apply. I perceive you as thinking you are whole while at the same time denying yourself.

I'll note these, and change my behavior accordingly as they're "manifestations," re-presentations, parts of my whole that are most relative to me, apparent-ly.



I could be a girl, maybe how he sings to his muse is what you intended to convey to me. It's interesting that you thought to make the distinction, at the very least.
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Now who's using idiosyncratic referential lingo? Perhaps you and I are not as different as you seem to think we are.
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Hmmm. Deceptive word choice. Not worth an effort to reply.
Here: "blah blah blah i didn't say you said i s aid you said id sais you said AD INFINITUM"

You could say I picked up that trick of a reply from you, but the fact is I've seen it probably a good hundred times before

I have no narrative of you. The "explanations" of your behavior are of your behavior itself, no more explanation need exist. To me you are completely re-presented as words on a screen in a particular order. There need not be more than that. Does that make you uncomfortable?
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Since this is a separate section it shall be evaluated separately for effort meter.

See your contradiction: I am words on a screen and "need not more than (blah blah blah) [as usual in your pattern, leaving as much plausible deniability for yourself to avoid taking responsibility for the meaning of anything you wrote. meh]

You are describing behavior that you do not perceive? Am I words on a screen or behavior you can witness....actually it can't be both. You've got to decide what you believe here. You have cognitive dissonance in the brain.

Yes I infer that you have a brain.

You've yet to really explain Stefan though :)

And does being irrelevant to your perspective make me uncomfortable? Not at all. I already wrote that you are not related to me in any important way. Why would you hold significance?

This is good weekend talk though. Great chats

All of perception is self description. You perceive me as an annoyance, where does that annoyance originate? Certainly not from me, nothing I do or say could be so whittled down into a single word. Parts of it, maybe, maybe the parts you focus on. But it's you who focuses on then, not me.
 Quoting: Sabai_Adonais


Ah so this is the thing (I stopped skimming your words in this section about halfway through because you started becoming incoherent and I already understand your conundrum).

I perceive you as a mild enjoyance, and as previously stated, a help.

You held onto the annoyance moment from months ago, I presume?

I moved on though. It's funny how many hours I spent revisiting the aketmutalu protocol and constructing a new codex designed to have a non-invasive healing effect on anyone who makes use of it after changing my attitude from the initial impressions. I'd assumed it would be obvious that my attitude had changed, which was a mistake on my part. You dont see me very well.

It's all good though. "I see you as" NOT seeking assistance and figuring it all out ALLL on your own, because you can and you will. Knowing this about my perception of your path, you should be able to see how I am not going to contribute much. You might sniff at something I offer while I put heart into it. Not a valuable exchange for my self respect, to be fair.

We could talk about the general stuff if you want. We can pick it up in the neuronics thread. I'm not making a video because I already contemplated how to do it and it will be a lot of effort to make something very mediocre and, you probably dont need it, wont value it, cannot reward me in any meaningful way, and so on.

And if you are rather ambivalent about discussing such stuff with someone of my ilk :) that's fine. I currently remain disinclined to discuss it further but if stimulating ideas arise I might participate in some conversation about it.

As you may not know, I have been a pestersome presence on these threads and as you can see I can chatter on endlessly. Putting two and two together, the first time we exchanged words months ago you did mention that it is I who had been pestersome and you were correct about this so I overestimated your insight from that point.

If you consider how others might feel you will understand, perhaps, that I say almost nothing of substance anymore because what great things I had achieved in my articulations is not something I have found particularly rewarding, especially in detracting from the life experiences of others, which isn't my intent.

So did you read all that? I wonder. You didn't have to but at least it should be obvious I am leaving "the ball" in "your cart" here. In this deadish thread I hang around and write stuff and enter into conversations with others like a socializer; this should be enough to consign me to comfortable irrelevance for anyone reading. Be it however many they are.

You claim to remain sincere all ways, and maybe you do. But you detect insincerity and deception and others. Where does those come from, those perceptions of yours?
 Quoting: Sabai_Adonais


Nice call on detecting deception. This usually appears as a pattern, though it requires interaction and is mostly the redeemable aspect of interacting with such individuals. That is, I understand the pattern more accurately and detect it sooner, wasting less meaningful effort on anything related to their benefit.

As for sarcasm, it's a bit of a sore spot from the past, yeah, I used to not understand it or get along with it, but eventually got more examples and contexts where I can see why many do appreciate a good sarcasm and insincerity of that sort can be funny.

To answer your question, where these come from, they come from O T H E R S who are not I, and I not them, as I am my own being, with my own soul, and power, and will, and destiny.

I would rephrase it now to "sincere both ways in every direction" but that's because it's more precise. I live this way because that's what I'm like. It's my nature. It's difficult, however, I learn A LOT...about A LOT.

I am able to do this because I am immortal and can withstand the destruction that processes through my systems.

Also, it's related to why I am not very funny. I did have a phase where I tried being sarcastic and humorous and things like that. I didn't like who I became in the process. I prefer being authentic. It's actually easier that way, at a certain threshold of development.

I perceive you as assuming I want to be you, whatever that means. I perceive you as thinking you have wisdom to offer where it may not apply. I perceive you as thinking you are whole while at the same time denying yourself.
 Quoting: Sabai_Adonais

Nah that's just me rebuffing you to take a step back and out of my personal bubble of being me.

I do have wisdom to offer, on every subject? Maybe not every subject. Plenty though. I have clearly stated what I could offer in this reply, for your perception. Dont overestimate my eagerness to offer wisdom though. It seems to just ooze out of me. Sometimes I can't help it, I just spread wisdom without meaning to. It's hilariously annoying of me, to me.

You perceive "a writer of some kind" who is "an aspect of the perceiver" that "denies itself".

Beyond that perception is I.

Whole.

I'll note these, and change my behavior accordingly as they're "manifestations," re-presentations, parts of my whole that are most relative to me, apparent-ly.
 Quoting: Sabai_Adonais


Okey doke. You can learn from my shadow, footprints or my farts. Doesn't make a difference to me.

I can't stop you, or wont, or both. If you were a bad person I'd rather you didn't learn anything. I might just kill you then, however, for judgment's sake I must refrain, I must refrain, I must refrain.

Evil destroys itself. I learned that here along the way.

I could be a girl, maybe how he sings to his muse is what you intended to convey to me. It's interesting that you thought to make the distinction, at the very least.
 Quoting: Sabai_Adonais


You could be a girl but it wouldn't matter. It certainly was never my intent and here you have revealed something quite important about yourself.

You are open to writing an other's intent.

You have no respect for yourself :)

According to your logic, that is.

Thus, you make sense to anyone who has read this response.

You're welcome, all.

Goodnight,
and
checkmate


Peace!
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To clarify the part about self respect, what I, Stefan, mean, is that the person has no respect for me.

However since they express beliefs about their perception of me being their own self, that is, an element of their perspective, this would entail a disrespect to their own self.

Out of my self respect I can no longer contribute meaningful efforts in communicating with someone who doesn't respect me.

Tough stuff, yo. I wanted to keep chatting.

Maybe some other day if ever something changes in this changeless void, haha

Hey did anyone catch that bit about change earlier? There was a glimpse of genius there.

Anyone?

Just me, perhaps. How sad.
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That's life though, whatever, you know?

Real ones is the ones to talk to and not spend too much time chatting online. It's a tricky hobby
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Oh, you're Stefan. That explains a lot.
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Does anyone hete know ECSYS?

How did you learn it and how does it apply in our world?
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Does anyone hete know ECSYS?

How did you learn it and how does it apply in our world?
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Nobody knows ECSYS! They all just pretend to have questions to keep the writer around so he (or she) can expend time endlessly solving imaginary problems!

(was that funny? I felt like it was)

Which world are you in, buddy

We could start there. Got gravity?
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Does anyone hete know ECSYS?

How did you learn it and how does it apply in our world?
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Nobody knows ECSYS! They all just pretend to have questions to keep the writer around so he (or she) can expend time endlessly solving imaginary problems!

(was that funny? I felt like it was)

Which world are you in, buddy

We could start there. Got gravity?
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afrohiding

I've been on GLP for faaar too long it appears, hahaha..

The whole concept was interesting back then, the thread is ages old.

Time to stop posting.. burnit

hf
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Does anyone hete know ECSYS?

How did you learn it and how does it apply in our world?
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Nobody knows ECSYS! They all just pretend to have questions to keep the writer around so he (or she) can expend time endlessly solving imaginary problems!

(was that funny? I felt like it was)

Which world are you in, buddy

We could start there. Got gravity?
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afrohiding

I've been on GLP for faaar too long it appears, hahaha..

The whole concept was interesting back then, the thread is ages old.

Time to stop posting.. burnit

hf
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I'm still around. I am that element of perspective which watches to the bitter end, what dies, what doesn't live, who got what and where and why.

The world might collapse and I'll be there.

Last one on the lifeboat.

Maybe never on :D

Just off by a tone, or two...

Eh, my jokes are downright awful, aren't they....
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SOME do, yeah
Sometimes ALL do, yeah
SOME things, yeah
NOT all things, yeah

Forgive me if you can,
dont catch me if you can,
I'll stop kidding around if I can
Just a bit tired, you know,

It's the weekend,
That's my excuse.

That's okay. When everything is over I will surely be alone forever and no one will get hurt again.

That'll be it. No more problems, no more fixes.

God knows everything I know, yeah
God knows what I pray
Every day
Every day
Each night
Every day
Every night
Every day
Each day
Each night
Each day

I dont need excuses, only the truth, if possible, or just the facts, or a button for undo?

CONTROL Z COMMAND Z

ZZZ
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What number do I call for damage control when I do a joke?

This was a setup, I tell ya. That spanishish one

blame that one?

Nah

It's okay though

Because

(secret)

Adios
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AHHHH NEVER MIND
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Does anyone hete know ECSYS?

How did you learn it and how does it apply in our world?
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Nobody knows ECSYS! They all just pretend to have questions to keep the writer around so he (or she) can expend time endlessly solving imaginary problems!

(was that funny? I felt like it was)

Which world are you in, buddy

We could start there. Got gravity?
 Quoting: Mr. Nom


afrohiding

I've been on GLP for faaar too long it appears, hahaha..

The whole concept was interesting back then, the thread is ages old.

Time to stop posting.. burnit

hf
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You got it! hf angel3cry2hf

I'm okay....

Take care, im going to go cry myself to sleep now, hah
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Does anyone hete know ECSYS?

How did you learn it and how does it apply in our world?
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The question of "learning" is a tricky one. I understand some of the concepts presented by OP, but learning how to use the neuroicons has been a point of frustration. I don't get how to structure or read them.

I think the main problem is that I've been simmering in an alphabetical language my whole life and Ec is a symbolic language, so "switching gears" is rather difficult. I imagine that's at least part of the problem for others.

I did notice when I started trying to use them that my thinking became a lot more image-based (I normally have a voice that speaks in English), so that's something.
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What if you can not SEE???
People place things times and events. = PPTTE

I agree that we are entities of perception. And we are constantly changing moment by moment by the phase space interaction ourselves. Everything is self-contained.

But I also realize by the time I PERCEIVE using the 5 senses.. it is NOT NEW... it appears to be NEW to me only.. but within the wholeness of all things... other entities have already had their experiences.

I believe we are here to someway EXPAND BEYOND all the known realities into something that has never been perceived. To find some way to EXPAND into a REAL UNKNOW unaware consciousness and have that EXPERIENCE of PERCEPTION..

This is hard to do as we find ourselves stuck in PATTERNS of behavior, with PPTTE

So the goal of a PERCEPTIVE person would be to to accumulate experiences within self-realization beyond what or where others have experienced.

It seems we are like a PACK of dogs with their mothers. We all look alike and we are created from the DNA of our mom and dad for the physical looks. We experience beyond what our parents.... so we grow that one DNA link.

Hello!

To describe it farther, it's not a language used for speech and writing, like English. It's more of a language of perception.

We're completely surrounded by seen and unseen languages, representations used to transmit (and form) reality.

For example, 4 letters of DNA are able to communicate the genetic instructions for life itself.

We use 26 letters of the English alphabet to understand the world around us and communicate with others. If you can think of a sound there is probably a way to represent it in English.

Similarly, where I come from we are able to represent everything in our perception using 4 "elements". We learn about these 4 elements to understand the world around us, much the same way we also use English to do the same.

Once you determine what element something is (from your perspective), there is a simple formula you can use to learn more about it and its relationship with other things.

Because most the people where I am from know this language we've developed in a somewhat different way.

Yes, there are alternate realities. "Possibilities" they may be called.

Everything truly exists. Like I mention above, When something cannot be fully perceived, it appears infinite.

Thus, every possibility you can imagine.

Our language also enables us to perceive these alternate realities, if we want. One alterate realm is this one.

It is no different that using a web browser to tunnel to a website. You could say that in our world, we have invented a type of internal browser that can transport us to other worlds (this example for illustration purposes).

You exist in multiple realms now, at every moment. You could traverse hundreds of thousands of different possibilities in one day without knowing it. (However, most if not all of the time these worlds are quite relative to your own. It would be as though you never left the city in which you were born. For me and others it is as easy as taking a trip from USA to Mexico, for example.)

Our worlds are pretty much the same until the time of the industrial revolution. That's about where our worlds diverge a bit. It could be as small of a difference as someone not meeting someone else one day. That bifurcative moment "created" the kind of world in which I lived.

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Who is the 'I' that you speak of?

I lack no awareness in my idiosyncratic use of lingo (all ways, an other, time's pace, etc.) because it is representative of the fact "I" am a combination of all I have been exposed to. If I like the way something is phrased or expressed, I use it. Imitation, it is said, is the highest form of flattery.

As for my "claiming" to seek and answers and yet spending time explaining being aggravating, any time anyone writes anything (or thinks, or does) they exploring their own perspective. I am no different. I explain to no one but myself. Explaining one aspect of something — in order to gain more understanding of it myself — also does not detract from the fact that I am seeking answers in an other aspect.

I have had really one central question, directed toward Chaol/The Builder. I have asked (and answered) other questions peripheral to my "goal," but that one hasn't really changed. Any time I pose a question it's really to them. If others would like to respond, well-intentioned or ill, that's well and good. If they find me annoying or don't want to give me answers because the way I go about exploring is aggrevating, that's also fine. But I will keep trying until they tell me as much.

I'm not sure what you're interpreting as me being unwilling to be open to suggestions or possibilities, nor what you mean by "and instead find themselves reading your thinking explicitly." Clarification would be appreciated.


I do not expect help, but I'm not obligated to keep my musings private. I find greater value in whatever I say being open to response, which I've already indicated.

Of course I would like assistance, I've made that abundantly clear. You asked why I would like to experience a past version of me in my current mode, I answered. You asked what time is supposed to be, I answered with my interpretation. I don't see how my responses preclude me from wanting help.

Perhaps it precludes me from wanting your help, but I can't help that.
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What if you can not SEE???
People place things times and events. = PPTTE

I agree that we are entities of perception. And we are constantly changing moment by moment by the phase space interaction ourselves. Everything is self-contained.

But I also realize by the time I PERCEIVE using the 5 senses.. it is NOT NEW... it appears to be NEW to me only.. but within the wholeness of all things... other entities have already had their experiences.

I believe we are here to someway EXPAND BEYOND all the known realities into something that has never been perceived. To find some way to EXPAND into a REAL UNKNOW unaware consciousness and have that EXPERIENCE of PERCEPTION..

This is hard to do as we find ourselves stuck in PATTERNS of behavior, with PPTTE

So the goal of a PERCEPTIVE person would be to to accumulate experiences within self-realization beyond what or where others have experienced.

It seems we are like a PACK of dogs with their mothers. We all look alike and we are created from the DNA of our mom and dad for the physical looks. We experience beyond what our parents.... so we grow that one DNA link.
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Sure, kinda. You can certainly interact with representations to perceive something that is completely new to the conscious aspect of your perspective, entirely differently structured, but once you "get there" it will always have existed. It would have it's own history, so to speak, and it would be necessary for there to be "others" (whether it be an interpretation of "people" or "things") in order to be perceived. So the overall environment will have "already been perceived," though each perception is new. Without "other" there is no perception, it's just not possible.

The "I" that I speak of is just the most convenient representation in English of the particular composition of relationships that considers itself to be conscious in my perspective (quite erroneously). It's sometimes necessary to be wrong for the sake of efficiency
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Just took mine! They're just for thyroid tho. Thanks for caring <3
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Already told you about the ones that have no self-respect. You can see they will never respect any.

As the self detrimental attitude pervades its own perspective, it succumbs to itself.

Feed it or not, it cannot last. The choice is to feed it or not.

Watch closely as a parasite reaches for anything to latch onto.

It is educational.





GLP