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The military and Posse Comitatus

 
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The military and Posse Comitatus
To all of you out there that spout off as to how "it's illegal to use the military for law enforcement and other missions within the U.S. citing posse comitatus.
GET A CLUE!!!
Executive Order 12919 signed by Bush in his last term effectively nullifies posse comitatus. The president can and will now that OBOZO is in charge, single handedly institute martial law anywhere, without congressional approval for any reason he concieves as a national emergency, natural or manmade disaster, drop of a hat, etc.
See that's the problem so many people believe they are protected by all the rights we used to have. They don't bother staying current and really seeing what freedoms and protections we are losing on a daily basis.
Here is a link for some reading to get you up to speed.
[link to www.sourcewatch.org]
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The bigger point is that Traffic Control, rescue Operations, and many of the things that people are freaking out about are NOT LAW ENFORCEMENT ACTIONS and thus still legal even under Posse Comitatus
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Do yourselves a favor, click the link and actualy read then re read this until is sinks in. EO12919 effectivly creates a ticking bomb waiting to explode into dictatorship and martial law
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For you unable to use your fingers for anything but picking your noses here you go!

The John W. Warner Defense Authorization Act of 2006 (PL 109-364), "named for the longtime Armed Services Committee chairman from Virginia," was signed October 17, 2006, by President George W. Bush. The Act "has a provocative provision called 'Use of the Armed Forces in Major Public Emergencies'," the thrust of which "seems to be about giving the federal government a far stronger hand in coordinating responses to [Hurricane] Katrina-like disasters," Jeff Stein, CQ National Security Editor wrote December 1, 2006.

"But on closer inspection, its language also alters the two-centuries-old Insurrection Act, which Congress passed in 1807 to limit the president’s power to deploy troops within the United States ... 'to suppress, in a State, any insurrection, domestic violence, unlawful combination, or conspiracy'," Stein wrote.

"But the amended law takes the cuffs off" and "critics say it’s a formula for executive branch mischief," Stein wrote, as "the new language adds 'natural disaster, epidemic, or other serious public health emergency, terrorist attack or incident' to the list of conditions permitting the President to take over local authority — particularly 'if domestic violence has occurred to such an extent that the constituted authorities of the State or possession are incapable of maintaining public order.'"

"One of the few to complain, Sen. Patrick J. Leahy, D-Vt., warned that the measure virtually invites the White House to declare federal martial law. ... It 'subverts solid, longstanding posse comitatus statutes that limit the military’s involvement in law enforcement, thereby making it easier for the President to declare martial law,' he said in remarks submitted to the Congressional Record on Sept. 29." [1]

Also see related Posse Comitatus Act section.
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* 1 Executive Order 12919: "National Emergency"
* 2 Executive Authority
* 3 Foundation: Executive Orders
o 3.1 Executive Orders (EO) related to Federalism and Emergency Preparedness
o 3.2 Assignment of Emergency Preparedness Functions, October 11, 2004
* 4 American concentration camps
* 5 Specific to a Flu Outbreak
* 6 Specific to Hurricane Katrina
* 7 Documents
* 8 Other Articles & Commentary
* 9 Related SourceWatch Resources

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Executive Order 12919: "National Emergency"

Should President George W. Bush proclaim and put into effect Executive Order 12919, "the President would put the United States under total Martial Law and Military Dictatorship." [2]

"The President need not wait for some emergency to occur, however. He can declare a National Emergency at any time, and freeze everything. Congress, and the States, are powerless to prevent such an Executive Dictatorship, as long as the President advises Congress in a timely matter." [3]
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Executive Authority

Executive Order 12656 "Assignment of Emergency Preparedness Responsibilities", February 16, 2004 plus Executive Order 13074, Amendment to EO 12656, February 9, 1998.

"Executive Order Number 12656 appointed the National Security Council as the principal body that should consider emergency powers. This allows the government to increase domestic intelligence and surveillance of U.S. citizens and would restrict the freedom of movement within the United States and grant the government the right to isolate large groups of civilians. The National Guard could be federalized to seal all borders and take control of U.S. air space and all ports of entry." [4]

Executive Order 11921 "Adjusting Emergency Preparedness Assignments to Organizational and Functional Changes in Federal Departments and Agencies" allows the Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA) [stated as the Federal Emergency Preparedness Agency] to "develop plans to establish control over the mechanisms of production and distribution, of energy sources, wages, salaries, credit and the flow of money in U.S. financial institution in any undefined national emergency. It also provides that when a state of emergency is declared by the President, Congress cannot review the action for six months." [5]

"FEMA's powers were consolidated by President Jimmy Carter to incorporate: The National Security Act of 1947, which allows for the strategic relocation of industries, services, government and other essential economic activities, and to rationalize the requirements for manpower, resources and production facilities; The 1950 Defense Production Act, which gives the President sweeping powers over all aspects of the economy; The Act of August 29, 1916, which authorizes the Secretary of the Army, in time of war, to take possession of any transportation system for transporting troops, material, or any other purpose related to the emergency; and The International Emergency Economic Powers Act, which enables the President to seize the property of a foreign country or national. These powers were transferred to FEMA in a sweeping consolidation in 1979." [6]

For the first time in American history, the reigns of government would not be transferred from one elected element to another, but the Constitution, itself, can be suspended. [7]
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Foundation: Executive Orders
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Executive Orders (EO) related to Federalism and Emergency Preparedness

* EO 13132: "Federalism", August 4, 1999.
* EO 11490: "Federal Departments and Agencies", February 16, 2004.
* EO 12472: "Telecommunications Functions", April 3, 1984; February 16, 2004.

* EO 12407 "provides the regional and local mechanisms and manpower" for carrying out the provisions of Executive Order 12919: National Defense Industrial Resources Preparedness. This order, signed February 22, 1983, by President Ronald Reagan, "sets up ten Federal Regional Councils to govern ten Federal Regions made up of the fifty States."

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Assignment of Emergency Preparedness Functions, October 11, 2004

The following EOs all fall under EO 12919: [8]

* EO 10990: "allows the government to take over all modes of transportation and control of highways and seaports." [9]
* EO 10995: Federal seizure of all communications media in the US.
* EO 10997: Federal seizure of all electric power, fuels, minerals, public and private.
* EO 10998: Federal seizure of all food supplies and resources, public and private and all farms and equipment.
* EO 10999: Federal seizure of all means of transportation, including cars, trucks, or vehicles of any kind and total control over all highways, seaports and water ways.
* EO 11000: Federal seizure of American people for work forces under federal supervision, including the splitting up of families if the government so desires.
* EO 11001: Federal seizure of all health, education and welfare facilities, both public and private.
* EO 11002: Empowers the Postmaster General to register every single person in the US.
* EO 11003: Federal seizure of all airports and aircraft.
* EO 11004: Federal seizure of all housing and finances and authority to establish forced relocation. Authority to designate areas to be abandoned as 'unsafe,' establish new locations for populations, relocate communities, build new housing with public funds.
* EO 11005: Seizure of all railroads, inland waterways and storage facilities, both public and private.
* EO 11051: Provides FEMA complete authorization to put above orders into effect in times of increased international tension of economic or financial crisis (FEMA will be in control incase of 'National Emergency').

* EO 12919 "Apparently Allows Cabinet Heads to Make Direct Loans to Government Contractors." [10]
* Also see Index of Executive Orders, Beginning December 30, 1992, WorldNetDaily website.

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American concentration camps
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Specific to a Flu Outbreak

* Bush Administration Plan for Flu Outbreaks
* "Bush military bird flu role slammed," CNN, October 5, 2005: "A call by President George W. Bush for Congress to give him the power to use the military in law enforcement roles in the event of a bird flu pandemic has been criticized as akin to introducing martial law."
* David Brown, "Military's Role in a Flu Pandemic. Troops Might Be Used to 'Effect a Quarantine,' Bush Says," Washington Post, October 5, 2005.
* Mike Whitney, "Martial Law and the advent of the Supreme Executive," uruknet, October 6, 2005.

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Specific to Hurricane Katrina

* George W. Bush: Hurricane Katrina
* Hurricane Katrina: List of related pages
* Joint Task Force Katrina

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Documents

* FM 3-19.40 (formerly FM 19-40). Military Police Internment/Resettlement Operations, Headquarters, Department of the Army, August 1, 2001. Includes sections on "Protection of Captives and Detainees" and "Protection of Enemy Prisoners of War and Civilian Internees" as they pertain to a military operation. Another copy posted on Global Security website.
* "Declaration of National Emergency by Reason Of Certain Terrorist Attacks," By the President of the United States of America, September 14, 2001: "This proclamation is not intended to create any right or benefit, substantive or procedural, enforceable at law by a party against the United States, its agencies, its officers, or any person."
* Army Regulation 210–35. Installations. Civilian Inmate Labor Program, Headquarters, Department of the Army, Washington, DC, January 14, 2005: "This regulation provides guidance for establishing and managing civilian inmate labor programs on Army installations. It provides guidance on establishing prison camps on Army installations. It addresses recordkeeping and reporting incidents related to the Civilian Inmate Labor Program and/or prison camp administration."

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Other Articles & Commentary

* FEMA Executive Orders, The Forbidden Knowledge, undated.
* Andrew and Berit Kjos, "Re-Inventing Federalism. How Executive Order 13132 lays the foundation for a global management system," Crossroads, August 1999.
* Tanya L. Green, J.D., "Executive Orders. A Blueprint for Dictatorship?" Millenium-Ark.net, March 30, 2000.
* John O. Edwards, "Gen. Franks Doubts Constitution Will Survive WMD Attack," NewsMax, November 21, 2003.
* "Forget Osama and Abu: We are Threatened by the Black Helicopter Crowd," SF Indymedia, April 21, 2005.
* Bradley Graham, War Plans Drafted To Counter Terror Attacks in U.S. - Domestic Effort Is Big Shift for Military, Washington Post, August 8, 2005.
* pessimist, "Ratlines Over the Side," The Left Coaster, October 23, 2005.
* Jeff Stein, "Fine Print in Defense Bill Opens Door to Martial Law," CQ.com, December 1, 2006.

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Related SourceWatch Resources

* CONPLAN 0400
* Defense Production Act of 1950
* Emergency response
* global detention system
* Homeland security
* Military Commissions Act of 2006
* Military-industrial complex
* North American Union
* Operation Cable Splicer
* Operation Garden Plot
* Patriot Act I
* Patriot Act abuses
* Patriot Act II
* police state
* Posse Comitatus Act
* prison-industrial complex
* Rex-84
* Robert T. Stafford Disaster Relief and Emergency Assistance Act
* State of national emergency
* Third Way
* Unitary Executive Theory
* War Powers Act

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Also scroll down the page about 1/2 way and read this little bit of sunshine.


Executive Order 11921 "Adjusting Emergency Preparedness Assignments to Organizational and Functional Changes in Federal Departments and Agencies" allows the Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA) [stated as the Federal Emergency Preparedness Agency] to "develop plans to establish control over the mechanisms of production and distribution, of energy sources, wages, salaries, credit and the flow of money in U.S. financial institution in any undefined national emergency. It also provides that when a state of emergency is declared by the President, Congress cannot review the action for six months." [5]
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*snore*

Martial Law is the order of the day, has been for over 150 years.
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Oh,

remember to mind the difference between something that used to be "lawful" versus those things which are described as 'legal'...

...they're not the same thing.
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*snore*

Martial Law is the order of the day, has been for over 150 years.
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No you are wrong we were protected at one point. Until They got smart and the talk of NWO and all the other shit started in the 70's. Everyone turned a blind eye to it then and now that it has raised its head, people are freaking out. It is coming and we all need to check our selves and be ready.
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Re: The military and Posse Comitatus
*snore*

Martial Law is the order of the day, has been for over 150 years.

No you are wrong we were protected at one point. Until They got smart and the talk of NWO and all the other shit started in the 70's. Everyone turned a blind eye to it then and now that it has raised its head, people are freaking out. It is coming and we all need to check our selves and be ready.
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You are mistaken, and it's understandable.

It would truly be wonderful if people can wake up and grasp what has happened to america, and that search has to begin in the years preceding 1861 and include the actions of the congressional representatives in the spring of 1861.

In order to reduce the 'fear' and the 'freak-out' one can wield the spear of knowledge and attempt to comprehend who did what to our "system", when,where and why.
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This country has clandestinely been in martial law for decades.
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obamacore. hes trying to make a gestapo. i swear he is nuts. with the crap hes doing recently. the man of lawlessness? he did study law?
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Look..you do not have to sell me anything..it stared with Kennedy's Death. Carter, Reagan really started it and CLINTON fucking did it..then BUSH and OBAMA sealed it.

WHY do you think prior service military is not being allowed to come back right now and the Department of Homeland Security is saying veterans are terrorists..I think you know.
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I do know! That is why this was posted in the first place. Work on your reading comprehensive skills if you cannot figure out what the post is for. It is intended for the people out there that continue to say we are protected from our own military under the posse comitatus act, which is simply not true anymore due to the signing of EO12919 in 2006 by Bush.
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I feel that Obama is poised to become the dictator-in-chief of Amerika and we will have him in office for many, many years; well beyond the normal two terms. Watch him when he appears on mediocre (sorry) entertainment shows like Leno and Letterman. He's just jolly and laughing (kind of like Nero playing the fiddle while Rome burned) as millions of Americans are out of work and loosing their homes. It is surreal and those appearances are a disgrace. They diminish the office that he holds and makes it so common - though the audiences of idiots are whooping and yelling like the genuine (not dyed in the wool)sheeple that they are.
I have an older friend recently try to explain the current economy to me. It was pitiful as he said "...and what Obama's trying to do..blah...blah...blah" as if he has an inside ear or special privilege or he himself has such a great economic mind himself.
I felt like saying "This is what Obama's trying to do, you fool. He's trying to keep the wool pulled over your eyes as he takes care of all his real supporters, the Wall Street boys and George Soros and other elites. He is nothing but a front man for the puppet masters behind the scenes - just like all of them are.
They write his scripts and he speaks the words and of course, makes endless public appearances, ad nasaeum.
When I was a kid, I thought JFK was in his oval office pondering all the great national challenges of the day, when in reality, he was planning his nexr sexual conquest or when he could schedule some more feel good drugs. With Ike, all he cared about was golf, Clinton liked B.Js...and on and on.





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