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| DanfromtheHills
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 783704  Canada10/01/2009 02:53 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Q: Is it possible that Obama traveled with a U.S. Passport in 1981? Quoting: DanfromtheHillsA: No. It is not possible. Pakistan was on the U.S. State Department's "no travel" list in 1981. Epic Fail.  The claim that a U.S. passport could not have been used when traveling to Pakistan in 1981, however, is false. Per a U.S. State Department travel advisory to Pakistan dated August 17, 1981: Before traveling to Pakistan, American citizens should be aware of the following updated visa requirements: 30 day visas are available at Pakistani airports for tourists only. As these visas are rarely extended beyond the 30 day time period, tourists planning to stay longer should secure visas before coming to Pakistan. [3] A June 14, 1981 New York Times article moreover states that travel to Pakistan in 1981 using a U.S. passport was not only possible but relatively easy: Lahore, the capital of Pakistan's Punjab province, has an international airport served by Pakistan International Airlines and (from New Delhi) by Indian Airlines, India's domestic carrier. Connections with other international airlines can be made through Karachi... Tourists can obtain a free, 30-day visa (necessary for Americans) at border crossings and airports. [4] [link to www.voterfactcheck.com] |
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| DanfromtheHills
(OP) User ID: 671176 United States10/01/2009 03:08 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Q: Is it possible that Obama traveled with a U.S. Passport in 1981? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 783704A: No. It is not possible. Pakistan was on the U.S. State Department's "no travel" list in 1981. Epic Fail. The claim that a U.S. passport could not have been used when traveling to Pakistan in 1981, however, is false. Per a U.S. State Department travel advisory to Pakistan dated August 17, 1981: Before traveling to Pakistan, American citizens should be aware of the following updated visa requirements: 30 day visas are available at Pakistani airports for tourists only. As these visas are rarely extended beyond the 30 day time period, tourists planning to stay longer should secure visas before coming to Pakistan. [3] A June 14, 1981 New York Times article moreover states that travel to Pakistan in 1981 using a U.S. passport was not only possible but relatively easy: Lahore, the capital of Pakistan's Punjab province, has an international airport served by Pakistan International Airlines and (from New Delhi) by Indian Airlines, India's domestic carrier. Connections with other international airlines can be made through Karachi... Tourists can obtain a free, 30-day visa (necessary for Americans) at border crossings and airports. [4] [link to www.voterfactcheck.com] Interesting. So you are implying that B.O. had a US visa or passport? "Nothing to see here, go back to sheep..." --- AC 1251379 |
| DanfromtheHills
(OP) User ID: 671176 United States10/01/2009 03:29 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Hmm, It seems as if the US Government DOES require a passport to visit Pakistan, also a Pakistan issued visa, at least as far as current law is concerned, not sure if the law was in effect in 1981 though... [link to travel.state.gov] ENTRY/EXIT REQUIREMENTS: All U.S. citizens traveling to Pakistan for any purpose are required to have valid U.S. passports and Pakistani-issued visas. Further information on entry requirements can be obtained from the Embassy of Pakistan at 3517 International Court Avenue, NW, Washington, DC 20008; telephone: 202-243-6500. The Embassy of Pakistan may be contacted via e-mail . Travelers may also contact one of the Consulates General of Pakistan in: Boston: 20 Chestnut Street, Needham, MA 02492; telephone: (781) 455-8000; fax: (617) 266-6666 Chicago: 333 North Michigan Ave., Suite 728, Chicago, IL, 60601; telephone: (312) 781-1831; fax: (312) 781-1839 Houston: 11850 Jones Road, Houston, TX, 77070; telephone: (281) 890-2223; fax: (281) 890-1433 Los Angeles: 10850 Wilshire Blvd., Suite 1100, Los Angeles, CA 90024; telephone: (310) 441-5114; fax: (310) 441-9256 New York: 12 East 65th St., New York, NY 10021; telephone: (212) 879-5800; fax: (212) 517-6987 If a traveler plans to stay longer than the time listed on the visa, he or she must extend the stay with the local passport office of the Ministry of Interior. Visit the Embassy of Pakistan website for the most current visa information. Information about dual nationality or the prevention of international child abduction can be found on our web site. For further information about customs regulations, please read our Customs Information sheet. "Nothing to see here, go back to sheep..." --- AC 1251379 |
| DanfromtheHills
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(OP) User ID: 671176 United States10/01/2009 03:52 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I'm in this topic for the truth and information that come about. Whether it reveals his true birth country is doubtful, but it has already shed light on how the government operates. "Nothing to see here, go back to sheep..." --- AC 1251379 |
| DanfromtheHills
(OP) User ID: 671176 United States10/01/2009 04:29 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I'm all for a person's right to privacy also. Unless compelled by the courts to do so, the fifth amendment to the bill of rights guarantees our right to not incriminate ourselves. Normal citizens are under no obligation to respond for demands that they provide any personal records, unless ordered to do so by authorities: ie if a policeman asks for your ID, just show it to him and don't be an ass, he's in all probability just doing his job, but if he starts asking for your college transcripts and your travel logs, you are well within your rights to say no. People running for government offices, are by definition, seeking to become officers of the government. Some offices have requirements that need to be met, in order for the candidate to be eligible to participate. It is up to the candidate to provide evidence of his/her eligibility. If this has not been done, it is up the state, local, and federal parties (DEM and REP, and others) to properly vet their potential candidates to insure they met eligibility requirements. Therefore it is not unreasonable, at any level of the election process, to request that a candidate show proof of eligibility. A request is not a demand, nor a verbal judgment designed to force disclosure. It is an offer of trust, that the person in question simply provide reasonable proof of eligibility, of their own volition, so that matters of confusion may be cleared efficiently with minimal red tape. Barak Obama and his team have steadfastly stonewalled many attempts at shedding light on his past. This alone should make you suspicious. "Nothing to see here, go back to sheep..." --- AC 1251379 |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 776606 United States10/01/2009 04:44 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Q: Is it possible that Obama traveled with a U.S. Passport in 1981? Quoting: DanfromtheHillsA: No. It is not possible. Pakistan was on the U.S. State Department's "no travel" list in 1981. Sorry, but you are WRONG about. And if you're wrong (OR lying) about THAT, you're probably going to lying or be wrong about MANY other things. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 420172  Australia10/01/2009 04:58 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | One Simple Question About Obama... Quoting: DanfromtheHillsWhat passport did he use when he was shuttling between New York, Jakarta, and Karachi ? We will pass over the question of how a young man who arrived in New York in early June 1981, without the price of a hotel room in his pocket, suddenly come up with the price of a round-the-world trip just a month later. A much simpler question tells us all we need to know. Once he was on a plane, shuttling between New York , Jakarta , and Karachi , what passport was he offering when he passed through Customs and Immigration? The American people not only deserve to have answers to these questions, they must have answers. It makes the debate over Obama's citizenship a rather short and simple one... Q: Did he travel to Pakistan in 1981, at age 20? A: Yes, by his own admission. Q: What passport did he travel under? A: There are only three possibilities: 1) He traveled with a U.S. Passport, 2) He traveled with a British passport, or 3) He traveled with an Indonesia passport. Q: Is it possible that Obama traveled with a U.S. Passport in 1981? A: No. It is not possible. Pakistan was on the U.S. State Department's "no travel" list in 1981. Conclusion: When Obama went to Pakistan in 1981 he was traveling either with a British passport or an Indonesian passport. If he were traveling with a British passport that would provide proof he was born in Kenya on August 4, 1961, not in Hawaii as he claims. If he were traveling with an Indonesian passport that would tend to prove he relinquished whatever previous citizenship he held, British or American, prior to being adopted by his Indonesian step-father in 1967. Whatever the truth of the matter, the American people need to know how he managed to become a "natural born" American citizen between 1981 and 2008. Given the destructive nature of his plans for America, as illustrated by his speech before Congress and the disastrous spending plan he has presented to Congress, the sooner we learn the truth of all this, the better. If it doesn't matter to you if Your President is not a natural born Citizen and in Violation of the Constitution, then Delete this and go into your cocoon. If you see that it does matter then forward this! By Paul Hollrah 9-24-9 EDIT: Sorry here's the link... [link to www.disclose.tv] This is all worth investigating on its merits. The passport question is one that hasn't been adequately answered. It has the potential to unravel the birth certificate question. It's worth it when we don't even know who the hell the guy is sitting in the Oval Office. Don't you think? |
| DanfromtheHills
(OP) User ID: 671176 United States10/01/2009 05:07 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Q: Is it possible that Obama traveled with a U.S. Passport in 1981? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 776606A: No. It is not possible. Pakistan was on the U.S. State Department's "no travel" list in 1981. Sorry, but you are WRONG about. And if you're wrong (OR lying) about THAT, you're probably going to lying or be wrong about MANY other things. I am not wrong or lying, as it was not me who wrote the article. And, btw, that "sentence" was painful to read, please try to post as little as possible, thanks. It seems to me that travel was indeed possible to Pakistan, so that part of the article looks wrong to me. So by US law he needed a US Passport, and a Pakistan issued Visa. I am offering a solution to the whole Birth Certificate issue: Since he will not be able to satisfy people with his online copy of his certificate of live birth, perhaps showing one of these documents would help to clarify matters? Question, he would have been 19 at this time, is it possible he was traveling under his mom's passport? Or do you need your own passport when you turn 18? Anyone know? Last Edited by DanfromtheHills on 10/01/2009 05:08 AM "Nothing to see here, go back to sheep..." --- AC 1251379 |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 783744 United States10/01/2009 05:11 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | For what it's worth, I'm no Obama basher. I think he was equally as good as the other two major presidential candidates in 2008, Clinton or McCain. That's not saying much I know. Quoting: DanfromtheHillsI'm in this topic for the truth and information that come about. Whether it reveals his true birth country is doubtful, but it has already shed light on how the government operates. Yep, everything has a reason, the question is if you want to discern truth or continue to accept the lies. It really is hard for some people to recognize that their reality is purely a script to keep them from meeting their full potential. |
| DanfromtheHills
(OP) User ID: 671176 United States10/01/2009 05:12 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | One Simple Question About Obama... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 420172What passport did he use when he was shuttling between New York, Jakarta, and Karachi ? We will pass over the question of how a young man who arrived in New York in early June 1981, without the price of a hotel room in his pocket, suddenly come up with the price of a round-the-world trip just a month later. A much simpler question tells us all we need to know. Once he was on a plane, shuttling between New York , Jakarta , and Karachi , what passport was he offering when he passed through Customs and Immigration? The American people not only deserve to have answers to these questions, they must have answers. It makes the debate over Obama's citizenship a rather short and simple one... Q: Did he travel to Pakistan in 1981, at age 20? A: Yes, by his own admission. Q: What passport did he travel under? A: There are only three possibilities: 1) He traveled with a U.S. Passport, 2) He traveled with a British passport, or 3) He traveled with an Indonesia passport. Q: Is it possible that Obama traveled with a U.S. Passport in 1981? A: No. It is not possible. Pakistan was on the U.S. State Department's "no travel" list in 1981. Conclusion: When Obama went to Pakistan in 1981 he was traveling either with a British passport or an Indonesian passport. If he were traveling with a British passport that would provide proof he was born in Kenya on August 4, 1961, not in Hawaii as he claims. If he were traveling with an Indonesian passport that would tend to prove he relinquished whatever previous citizenship he held, British or American, prior to being adopted by his Indonesian step-father in 1967. Whatever the truth of the matter, the American people need to know how he managed to become a "natural born" American citizen between 1981 and 2008. Given the destructive nature of his plans for America, as illustrated by his speech before Congress and the disastrous spending plan he has presented to Congress, the sooner we learn the truth of all this, the better. If it doesn't matter to you if Your President is not a natural born Citizen and in Violation of the Constitution, then Delete this and go into your cocoon. If you see that it does matter then forward this! By Paul Hollrah 9-24-9 EDIT: Sorry here's the link... [link to www.disclose.tv] This is all worth investigating on its merits. The passport question is one that hasn't been adequately answered. It has the potential to unravel the birth certificate question. It's worth it when we don't even know who the hell the guy is sitting in the Oval Office. Don't you think? Yes, I agree 100%. It's about asking Washington to be honest for once. "Nothing to see here, go back to sheep..." --- AC 1251379 |
| DRIVER User ID: 607335  Netherlands10/01/2009 05:18 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | YES IF I WERE AMERICAN I WOULD NEED TO KNOW WHO THE HELL IS MY PRESIDENT WHO CONTROLLS MY COUNTRY Quoting: DanfromtheHillsOne Simple Question About Obama... What passport did he use when he was shuttling between New York, Jakarta, and Karachi ? We will pass over the question of how a young man who arrived in New York in early June 1981, without the price of a hotel room in his pocket, suddenly come up with the price of a round-the-world trip just a month later. A much simpler question tells us all we need to know. Once he was on a plane, shuttling between New York , Jakarta , and Karachi , what passport was he offering when he passed through Customs and Immigration? The American people not only deserve to have answers to these questions, they must have answers. It makes the debate over Obama's citizenship a rather short and simple one... Q: Did he travel to Pakistan in 1981, at age 20? A: Yes, by his own admission. Q: What passport did he travel under? A: There are only three possibilities: 1) He traveled with a U.S. Passport, 2) He traveled with a British passport, or 3) He traveled with an Indonesia passport. Q: Is it possible that Obama traveled with a U.S. Passport in 1981? A: No. It is not possible. Pakistan was on the U.S. State Department's "no travel" list in 1981. Conclusion: When Obama went to Pakistan in 1981 he was traveling either with a British passport or an Indonesian passport. If he were traveling with a British passport that would provide proof he was born in Kenya on August 4, 1961, not in Hawaii as he claims. If he were traveling with an Indonesian passport that would tend to prove he relinquished whatever previous citizenship he held, British or American, prior to being adopted by his Indonesian step-father in 1967. Whatever the truth of the matter, the American people need to know how he managed to become a "natural born" American citizen between 1981 and 2008. Given the destructive nature of his plans for America, as illustrated by his speech before Congress and the disastrous spending plan he has presented to Congress, the sooner we learn the truth of all this, the better. If it doesn't matter to you if Your President is not a natural born Citizen and in Violation of the Constitution, then Delete this and go into your cocoon. If you see that it does matter then forward this! By Paul Hollrah 9-24-9 EDIT: Sorry here's the link... [link to www.disclose.tv] This is all worth investigating on its merits. The passport question is one that hasn't been adequately answered. It has the potential to unravel the birth certificate question. It's worth it when we don't even know who the hell the guy is sitting in the Oval Office. Don't you think? Yes, I agree 100%. It's about asking Washington to be honest for once. |
| DanfromtheHills
(OP) User ID: 671176 United States10/01/2009 06:11 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It would appear, in general, that passport records are considered private, and there is no searchable database for passport information. If I am wrong and someone finds one, please give me the link. [link to www.state.gov] This is a brief document outlining the office of the Secretary of State's policy for disclosure of passport information. In it, they refer to the following legal code which establishes guidelines as to how to inquire, and who may inquire about someone's passport information, warning the link is both wall'o'text and legalese... TITLE 5 > PART I > CHAPTER 5 > SUBCHAPTER II > § 552a § 552a. Records maintained on individuals [link to www.law.cornell.edu] Last Edited by DanfromtheHills on 10/01/2009 06:15 AM "Nothing to see here, go back to sheep..." --- AC 1251379 |
| DanfromtheHills
(OP) User ID: 671176 United States10/01/2009 06:22 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | TITLE 5 > PART I > CHAPTER 5 > SUBCHAPTER II > § 552 § 552. Public information; agency rules, opinions, orders, records, and proceedings [link to www.law.cornell.edu] "Nothing to see here, go back to sheep..." --- AC 1251379 |
