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2 witnesses - scripture implies a dual meaning

 
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2 witnesses - scripture implies a dual meaning
i want to keep this as short as possible, but according to my interpretation of zechariah and revelation the 2 witnesses represent 2 literal jewish prophets (olive trees), and 2 churches/houses (lampstands/candlesticks)
the 2 sons of oil in zechariah (but not revelation), were joshua and zerubbabel, the 2 olive trees, one a preist and one a governor
this shows that 2 trees are literal people in revelation
lampstands represents a church/house
we know the olive tree represents israel and this is why i rule out enoch as one of the 2 witnesses, he was pre-israel
the fact he was taken while alive is not enough evidence alone
i believe enoch received his glorified body AFTER christs resurrection, which means he cannot die unless god decided to make him a mortal again, christ was the firstfruit(s) (notice the plural?), meaning others were resurrected which is written in matthew
the two lampstands represent the house of israel and the house of judah
israel was initially one house, but was divided into these 2 houses, and these 2 are still divided to this very day
scripture clearly tells us that elijah, or someone in the spirit and power of elijah will return as one witness
the other one i believe is moses(or someone in his spirit and power), which is implied by the miracles in genesis and revelation, also we have the transfiguration, moses was the witness to the law passed down by god himself
also the devil was arguing with michael over moses body which implies god is preserving it for the end times
elijah also could not be found because god hid him away, and he actually wrote a letter after his taking away which means he was still on the earth, so i believe elijah is "sleeping", and being preserved for the end time witness
moses was descended from the house of JUDAH (2 tribes)
elijah descended from the house of ISRAEL (10 tribes)
they will come back and be the leaders, of these two houses which are mentioned in the book of revelation as the 144000, from 12 tribes of israel, judah and israel
this is a purely scriptural interpretation as you can see and not just my imagination, but i'm not insisting this as a fact because i could be wrong but i would like some feedback on this
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Re: 2 witnesses - scripture implies a dual meaning
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Wrong.
According to Zechariah they are the word of God.
Then going back to Revelation 11 we find the 1260 years when the Bible was supressed by the papacy, the only empire to ever rule for 1260 years.

Rev.11:3 And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth. 4 These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth.


Then going to another prophetic book which Revelation draws symbology.


Zec.4:1 And the angel that talked with me came again, and waked me, as a man that is wakened out of his sleep. 2 And said unto me, What seest thou? And I said, I have looked, and behold a candlestick all of gold, with a bowl upon the top of it, and his seven lamps thereon, and seven pipes to the seven lamps, which are upon the top thereof: 3 And two olive trees by it, one upon the right side of the bowl, and the other upon the left side thereof. 4 So I answered and spake to the angel that talked with me, saying, What are these, my lord? 5 Then the angel that talked with me answered and said unto me, Knowest thou not what these be? And I said, No, my lord. 6 Then he answered and spake unto me, saying, This is the word of the LORD unto Zerubbabel, saying, Not by might, nor by power, but by my spirit, saith the LORD of hosts.
[link to www.revelations-two-witnesses.com]


"And if any man will hurt them, fire proceedeth out of their mouths, and devoureth their enemies: and if any man will hurt them, he must in this manner be killed. These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy. And have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth with all plagues, as often as they will." Revelation 11:5,6.

This prophecy is a parallel with that of Jesus in Revelation 22:18,19. "For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of this prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the Holy City, and from the things which are written in this book."
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Re: 2 witnesses - scripture implies a dual meaning
"this is the word of the lord"
doesn't this imply that 2 prophets and 144000 will deliver gods word in the last days?
i agree with you but i see no reason why it cannot mean both as the bible is full of double and even triple meanings
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The 2 witnesses, from a non religious point of view, are the 2 persons that experienced our ascension to go bad and once in the future, called Sirius and Orion to go back in the past for rescue, Sirius being the catholic branch and Orion the Jew branch of what started with Lemuria's people. One people still divided today.
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The two witnesses are the two religions that honour the heavenly Father, these are the two lamp stands.

On a different level the two lamp stands that were anointed to serve the LORD on 999 are this; one is from the House of Jacob = Israel and one is from the House of Joseph = England. They walked together through Jerusalem and together they purified the Lion's Gateway and made a promise to God on behalf of humanity that we will transform the way of sorrow to the way of the love.

Then the Messenger of the Covenant embedded the covenant for the children of the world in front of the mercy gate (otherwise known as the golden gate) on the temple mount.

The Messenger of the Covenant, the Prophet promised to Moses is from the House of Joseph.

“The LORD will dry up the gulf of the Egyptian sea; (emotion of captivity) with a scorching wind he will sweep his hand over the Euphrates River. (Islam) He will break it up into seven streams so that men can cross over in sandals. (so that people can leave captivity) There will be a highway for the remnant of his people that is left from Assyria, (Iraq) as there was for Israel when they came up from Egypt. Ephraim's (Christianity) jealousy will vanish, and Judah's (Judaism) enemies will be cut off; Ephraim (Christianity) will not be jealous of Judah, (Judaism) nor Judah (Judaism) hostile toward Ephraim. (Christianity). Isaiah 11. In the Aramaic Peshitta text equivalent the word is envy not jealousy.

Oh, that salvation for Israel would come out of Zion! When the LORD restores the fortunes of his people, let Jacob rejoice and Israel be glad!Psalm 14:6-7


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We can't read into the scripture personal interpretation. We have to take what the word says as what it means. The Bible defines itself when it comes to prophecy.

It says those symbols are the "word of God". If you continue reading Zec.4 & 5 it is clearly talking about the word of God and the law going to all the world as a flying scroll. Which is what happened after the French Revolution, after the 1260 years. Most have a Bible today. They didn't used to.

The French and American revolutions are key to numerous prophetic symbols of the end times.

• The 1st beast of Rev 13 (sea beast) receives a deadly wound

• The 2nd beast of Rev 13 (earth beast)

• The beast from the bottomless pit of Rev 17

• The Two Witnesses


All this and more happened during the time period of the political revolutions at the close of the 18th century.

The Beast from the Bottomless Pit
Presented by Pastor Walter Veith
[link to video.google.com]
The Beast from the Bottomless Pit, The Illuminati, The French Revolution, The symbolic Two Witnesses, Ellen White writings on secret societies.
[link to kingmannafta.com]


Two free online books by some Adventist writers. They cover world revolution and prophecy. Also available in hard copy print.

TO BE GOD of ONE WORLD:
The French Revolution Globalized

by Robert Sessler
[link to www.lightministries.com]

The Illuminati - 666
by William Sutton
[link to www.benabraham.com]


There is no future fulfillment. To apply this to a future is to deny the papal persecuting power that ruled for 1260 years, and to join with them in all their war crime and coming judgement.
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Re: 2 witnesses - scripture implies a dual meaning
I take it a personal interpretation because from my own view sight, I know who is the only rh- Zeta that had possibly not having had a damaged body to get into the 5th dimension to call upon Lemuria and who it could have been to have called the reptilians (Sirius) on the 5 dimension for having been an hybrid. I will not tell any further for their security and to avoid a backlash of the pleiadians/Annunakis.

I don't care about the scriptures, I care about my experiences nowadays. If you want to believe that was oil lamp, then fine.
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Re: 2 witnesses - scripture implies a dual meaning
We can't read into the scripture personal interpretation. We have to take what the word says as what it means. The Bible defines itself when it comes to prophecy.

It says those symbols are the "word of God". If you continue reading Zec.4 & 5 it is clearly talking about the word of God and the law going to all the world as a flying scroll. Which is what happened after the French Revolution, after the 1260 years. Most have a Bible today. They didn't used to.

The French and American revolutions are key to numerous prophetic symbols of the end times.

• The 1st beast of Rev 13 (sea beast) receives a deadly wound

• The 2nd beast of Rev 13 (earth beast)

• The beast from the bottomless pit of Rev 17

• The Two Witnesses


All this and more happened during the time period of the political revolutions at the close of the 18th century.

The Beast from the Bottomless Pit
Presented by Pastor Walter Veith
[link to video.google.com]
The Beast from the Bottomless Pit, The Illuminati, The French Revolution, The symbolic Two Witnesses, Ellen White writings on secret societies.
[link to kingmannafta.com]


Two free online books by some Adventist writers. They cover world revolution and prophecy. Also available in hard copy print.

TO BE GOD of ONE WORLD:
The French Revolution Globalized

by Robert Sessler
[link to www.lightministries.com]

The Illuminati - 666
by William Sutton
[link to www.benabraham.com]


There is no future fulfillment. To apply this to a future is to deny the papal persecuting power that ruled for 1260 years, and to join with them in all their war crime and coming judgement.
 Quoting: Truther 797936



You are wrong. The two witnesses are two human individuals. I think they are both in the power and Spirit of Elijah. A double portion of Elijah's Spirit split between two. God told you that he would send Elijah, no one else, before he ripped the Earth a new asshole. The sixth seal has already been opened, we approach the end of Revelation 6, i now await the 7th.
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Re: 2 witnesses - scripture implies a dual meaning
The flying scroll has not been delivered yet.

As God said to his prophet

"You have the WRIT you just have to put the leaves upon it".



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You are wrong. The two witnesses are two human individuals. I think they are both in the power and Spirit of Elijah. A double portion of Elijah's Spirit split between two. God told you that he would send Elijah, no one else, before he ripped the Earth a new asshole. The sixth seal has already been opened, we approach the end of Revelation 6, i now await the 7th.
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Commentary on Malachi 3
[link to academysounds.blogspot.com]

To whom was the arm of the LORD revealed?

Right Hand of God - Revelation 12

[link to academysounds.blogspot.com]
[link to academysounds.blogspot.com]
[link to academysounds.blogspot.com]

I recommend that you read Micah 4 and the LORD's plan for the last days.
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Re: 2 witnesses - scripture implies a dual meaning
You are wrong. The two witnesses are two human individuals. I think they are both in the power and Spirit of Elijah. A double portion of Elijah's Spirit split between two. God told you that he would send Elijah, no one else, before he ripped the Earth a new asshole. The sixth seal has already been opened, we approach the end of Revelation 6, i now await the 7th.


Commentary on Malachi 3
[link to academysounds.blogspot.com]

To whom was the arm of the LORD revealed?

Right Hand of God - Revelation 12

[link to academysounds.blogspot.com]
[link to academysounds.blogspot.com]
[link to academysounds.blogspot.com]

I recommend that you read Micah 4 and the LORD's plan for the last days.
Lotus
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Malachi 4



5"Behold, I am going to send you (K)Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and terrible day of the LORD.
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Malachi 4:5"Behold, I am going to send you (K)Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and terrible day of the LORD.
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There is a similar verse concerning John.

Luke 1:17 And he shall go before him in the spirit and power of Elias (Elijah), to turn the hearts of the fathers to the children, and the disobedient to the wisdom of the just; to make ready a people prepared for the Lord.

Malacki was telling of the prophecies to be given to John. Elijah or no one else is returning to this wicked earth, save Jesus himself, and soon.





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