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The Grey Knight (OP) User ID: 676936 Romania 10/23/2009 12:46 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 774515 United Kingdom 10/23/2009 12:57 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Boissoin wrote, in part, "From kindergarten class on, our children, your grandchildren are being strategically targeted, psychologically abused and brainwashed by homosexual and pro-homosexual educators. Your children are being warped into believing that same-sex families are acceptable; that kissing men is appropriate." Quoting: The Grey Knight 676936Hmm. This guy is accusing The Gays of having a vast nationwide conspiracy. A strategic plan. That they're conducting psychological abuse and brainwashing of children. It's a bit beyond just disapproving of homosexuality; it's actually accusing homosexuals of operating a malign plot against all non-homosexuals in civilisation. The Protocols of the Elders of San Francisco, perhaps. Now, if you're going to say that sort of lunacy should be protected by free speech, very well. Just as long as you're happy to extend the same to all others. A useful test is to substitute 'Jews' for 'homosexuals' and see if it comes out sounding like something out of Mein Kampf. If so, it's certainly hate speech, and the question then is simply whether we should have hate speech laws at all. Myself, I'd prefer free speech for all, short of direct incitement to harm. But if we're going to have hate speech laws, then I'd prefer them to protect all, not just a few specially selected groups. If hate speech against Jews or blacks is a crime, then so should hate speech against gays or transsexuals be. |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 676936 Romania 10/23/2009 01:07 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Boissoin wrote, in part, "From kindergarten class on, our children, your grandchildren are being strategically targeted, psychologically abused and brainwashed by homosexual and pro-homosexual educators. Your children are being warped into believing that same-sex families are acceptable; that kissing men is appropriate." Quoting: Anonymous Coward 774515Hmm. This guy is accusing The Gays of having a vast nationwide conspiracy. A strategic plan. That they're conducting psychological abuse and brainwashing of children. It's a bit beyond just disapproving of homosexuality; it's actually accusing homosexuals of operating a malign plot against all non-homosexuals in civilisation. The Protocols of the Elders of San Francisco, perhaps. Now, if you're going to say that sort of lunacy should be protected by free speech, very well. Just as long as you're happy to extend the same to all others. A useful test is to substitute 'Jews' for 'homosexuals' and see if it comes out sounding like something out of Mein Kampf. If so, it's certainly hate speech, and the question then is simply whether we should have hate speech laws at all. Myself, I'd prefer free speech for all, short of direct incitement to harm. But if we're going to have hate speech laws, then I'd prefer them to protect all, not just a few specially selected groups. If hate speech against Jews or blacks is a crime, then so should hate speech against gays or transsexuals be. Interesting point of view. You're right, but how can someone interpret the meanings of a discourse, against some principles and groups, without to charge with hate. If I speek freely against nazis or gay, with passion, should I be charged because I hate those people? |
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User ID: 798332 United States 10/23/2009 01:11 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Boissoin wrote, in part, "From kindergarten class on, our children, your grandchildren are being strategically targeted, psychologically abused and brainwashed by homosexual and pro-homosexual educators. Your children are being warped into believing that same-sex families are acceptable; that kissing men is appropriate." Quoting: Anonymous Coward 774515Hmm. This guy is accusing The Gays of having a vast nationwide conspiracy. A strategic plan. That they're conducting psychological abuse and brainwashing of children. It's a bit beyond just disapproving of homosexuality; it's actually accusing homosexuals of operating a malign plot against all non-homosexuals in civilisation. The Protocols of the Elders of San Francisco, perhaps. Now, if you're going to say that sort of lunacy should be protected by free speech, very well. Just as long as you're happy to extend the same to all others. A useful test is to substitute 'Jews' for 'homosexuals' and see if it comes out sounding like something out of Mein Kampf. If so, it's certainly hate speech, and the question then is simply whether we should have hate speech laws at all. Myself, I'd prefer free speech for all, short of direct incitement to harm. But if we're going to have hate speech laws, then I'd prefer them to protect all, not just a few specially selected groups. If hate speech against Jews or blacks is a crime, then so should hate speech against gays or transsexuals be. OK.... So are you for hate crime legislation against Christians and Jews? How about White Europeans? Talk Radio hosts? Southerners? How about Republicans? Liberatarians? Do you support hate crime protection for Anti-aborters? Do you support hate crimes legislation to protect the unborn? How about Christian Fundamentalist Ministers? How about we get together and make a list... you can imput you concerns, I will submit mine... Perhaps we can bring world peace merely by making hateful speech illegal..... you know.... kind of like the laws that prevent murder. |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 676936 Romania 10/23/2009 01:16 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Boissoin wrote, in part, "From kindergarten class on, our children, your grandchildren are being strategically targeted, psychologically abused and brainwashed by homosexual and pro-homosexual educators. Your children are being warped into believing that same-sex families are acceptable; that kissing men is appropriate." Quoting: BarksplinterHmm. This guy is accusing The Gays of having a vast nationwide conspiracy. A strategic plan. That they're conducting psychological abuse and brainwashing of children. It's a bit beyond just disapproving of homosexuality; it's actually accusing homosexuals of operating a malign plot against all non-homosexuals in civilisation. The Protocols of the Elders of San Francisco, perhaps. Now, if you're going to say that sort of lunacy should be protected by free speech, very well. Just as long as you're happy to extend the same to all others. A useful test is to substitute 'Jews' for 'homosexuals' and see if it comes out sounding like something out of Mein Kampf. If so, it's certainly hate speech, and the question then is simply whether we should have hate speech laws at all. Myself, I'd prefer free speech for all, short of direct incitement to harm. But if we're going to have hate speech laws, then I'd prefer them to protect all, not just a few specially selected groups. If hate speech against Jews or blacks is a crime, then so should hate speech against gays or transsexuals be. OK.... So are you for hate crime legislation against Christians and Jews? How about White Europeans? Talk Radio hosts? Southerners? How about Republicans? Liberatarians? Do you support hate crime protection for Anti-aborters? Do you support hate crimes legislation to protect the unborn? How about Christian Fundamentalist Ministers? How about we get together and make a list... you can imput you concerns, I will submit mine... Perhaps we can bring world peace merely by making hateful speech illegal..... you know.... kind of like the laws that prevent murder. Good point, Barksplinter! |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 642285 United States 10/23/2009 02:06 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | As an educated professional upper middle class, caucasian gay male, I'm deeply flattered that M. Boissoin thinkg that we are so well organized as to be able to 'Warp children into believing that gay families are acceptable and men kissing men is appropriate." The fact is that study after study has shown that gay families fare at least as well and most of the time better in terms of child raising. Our kids (raised in gay families) are often far less fucked up than their straight counterparts. The reason is that gay men and women try harder to be good parents and take the time to focus on the needs of their children first, vs "straight" people who take their child rearing skills as a matter of biological imperative and therefore make little or no effort to improve it over the years. But as a politically "connected" member of the gay community - I can personally tell you that as a group the GLBT community is NOT that well organized. Hell, it's taken us 20 years to get this piss ant piece of legislation passed! It's nice that the mormons and the catholics have now focused on us as the destroyers of the US and of God and Religion in America. But guys, we just don't have that kind of power! Have you ever seen two decorators discussing what kind of window treatment to put in a room? Or what color to paint a building? Two gay men cannot usually even agree on what to order for dinner! Remember, the gay community is a large and diverse group making up almost 1/6th of the population, and other than our desire for same sex partners, we have NOTHIN else in common. NOTHING AT ALL! We come from all different strata's of society, we are every color and ethnic group you can imagine, some of us are wealthy, many are poor. Some are working class, some are not. There is no unifying or identifying outward sign by which we can even reliably know each other! And yet we're given all this implied "power" by various religious groups and we're blamed for the downfall of western society! Yeah, right! Anyone with half a brain can see we've become a convenient lightening rod on which two specific and somewhat weird and archaic religious groups can focus their hate. The catholics hate us because they're pissed off about the billions they were forced to pay off to settle the child abuse and sodomy issues of their priests all over the nations screwing their alter-boys for generations. That one came back to bite them in the wallet - and pissed them off royally. The Mormons hate us because about 1/2 of their little mormon missionaries go into a large city and figure out they are gay, and they don't come back to Salt Lake and marry their childhood sweetheart and have five or six kids. Rather they stay in the big city, marry a choreographer and eventually have a brownstone in Manhattan and a house in the burbs. Of course along the way they not only denounce their Mormon Breeder life that was planned and foisted on them before they were old enough to object, but they find that the nights in the arms of another man to be vastly more satisfying than playing "hubby" to some half-educated fat mormon brood-sow bitch who does nothing but pop out children every time she gets near a sperm cell. (His or any other man's!) On that basis, we can understand the Mormons being hesitant to send their cute little missionaries into the gay ghettos of the nation. It seems that all too often they find something to ride that's a lot more fun than a bicycle! (grin) Boissoin wrote, in part, "From kindergarten class on, our children, your grandchildren are being strategically targeted, psychologically abused and brainwashed by homosexual and pro-homosexual educators. Your children are being warped into believing that same-sex families are acceptable; that kissing men is appropriate." Quoting: Anonymous Coward 774515Hmm. This guy is accusing The Gays of having a vast nationwide conspiracy. A strategic plan. That they're conducting psychological abuse and brainwashing of children. It's a bit beyond just disapproving of homosexuality; it's actually accusing homosexuals of operating a malign plot against all non-homosexuals in civilisation. The Protocols of the Elders of San Francisco, perhaps. Now, if you're going to say that sort of lunacy should be protected by free speech, very well. Just as long as you're happy to extend the same to all others. A useful test is to substitute 'Jews' for 'homosexuals' and see if it comes out sounding like something out of Mein Kampf. If so, it's certainly hate speech, and the question then is simply whether we should have hate speech laws at all. Myself, I'd prefer free speech for all, short of direct incitement to harm. But if we're going to have hate speech laws, then I'd prefer them to protect all, not just a few specially selected groups. If hate speech against Jews or blacks is a crime, then so should hate speech against gays or transsexuals be. |
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The Grey Knight (OP) User ID: 676936 Romania 10/23/2009 03:43 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | As an educated professional upper middle class, caucasian gay male, I'm deeply flattered that M. Boissoin thinkg that we are so well organized as to be able to 'Warp children into believing that gay families are acceptable and men kissing men is appropriate." Quoting: Anonymous Coward 642285The fact is that study after study has shown that gay families fare at least as well and most of the time better in terms of child raising. Our kids (raised in gay families) are often far less fucked up than their straight counterparts. The reason is that gay men and women try harder to be good parents and take the time to focus on the needs of their children first, vs "straight" people who take their child rearing skills as a matter of biological imperative and therefore make little or no effort to improve it over the years. But as a politically "connected" member of the gay community - I can personally tell you that as a group the GLBT community is NOT that well organized. Hell, it's taken us 20 years to get this piss ant piece of legislation passed! It's nice that the mormons and the catholics have now focused on us as the destroyers of the US and of God and Religion in America. But guys, we just don't have that kind of power! Have you ever seen two decorators discussing what kind of window treatment to put in a room? Or what color to paint a building? Two gay men cannot usually even agree on what to order for dinner! Remember, the gay community is a large and diverse group making up almost 1/6th of the population, and other than our desire for same sex partners, we have NOTHIN else in common. NOTHING AT ALL! We come from all different strata's of society, we are every color and ethnic group you can imagine, some of us are wealthy, many are poor. Some are working class, some are not. There is no unifying or identifying outward sign by which we can even reliably know each other! And yet we're given all this implied "power" by various religious groups and we're blamed for the downfall of western society! Yeah, right! Anyone with half a brain can see we've become a convenient lightening rod on which two specific and somewhat weird and archaic religious groups can focus their hate. The catholics hate us because they're pissed off about the billions they were forced to pay off to settle the child abuse and sodomy issues of their priests all over the nations screwing their alter-boys for generations. That one came back to bite them in the wallet - and pissed them off royally. The Mormons hate us because about 1/2 of their little mormon missionaries go into a large city and figure out they are gay, and they don't come back to Salt Lake and marry their childhood sweetheart and have five or six kids. Rather they stay in the big city, marry a choreographer and eventually have a brownstone in Manhattan and a house in the burbs. Of course along the way they not only denounce their Mormon Breeder life that was planned and foisted on them before they were old enough to object, but they find that the nights in the arms of another man to be vastly more satisfying than playing "hubby" to some half-educated fat mormon brood-sow bitch who does nothing but pop out children every time she gets near a sperm cell. (His or any other man's!) On that basis, we can understand the Mormons being hesitant to send their cute little missionaries into the gay ghettos of the nation. It seems that all too often they find something to ride that's a lot more fun than a bicycle! (grin) Boissoin wrote, in part, "From kindergarten class on, our children, your grandchildren are being strategically targeted, psychologically abused and brainwashed by homosexual and pro-homosexual educators. Your children are being warped into believing that same-sex families are acceptable; that kissing men is appropriate." Hmm. This guy is accusing The Gays of having a vast nationwide conspiracy. A strategic plan. That they're conducting psychological abuse and brainwashing of children. It's a bit beyond just disapproving of homosexuality; it's actually accusing homosexuals of operating a malign plot against all non-homosexuals in civilisation. The Protocols of the Elders of San Francisco, perhaps. Now, if you're going to say that sort of lunacy should be protected by free speech, very well. Just as long as you're happy to extend the same to all others. A useful test is to substitute 'Jews' for 'homosexuals' and see if it comes out sounding like something out of Mein Kampf. If so, it's certainly hate speech, and the question then is simply whether we should have hate speech laws at all. Myself, I'd prefer free speech for all, short of direct incitement to harm. But if we're going to have hate speech laws, then I'd prefer them to protect all, not just a few specially selected groups. If hate speech against Jews or blacks is a crime, then so should hate speech against gays or transsexuals be. As long as gays don't have an aggressive propaganda it's ok. When the hetero people are regarded as lunatics and bad parents, c'mon! |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 800971 United Kingdom 10/23/2009 03:46 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | "Obama has promised to sign it into law despite his opposition to funding in the bill for a specific fighter jet engine." Just WHAT THE FUCK is this Mickey Mouse bullshit? HOW THE HELL can Americans permit their elected reps to create monstrous bills like this? HOW can such irrelevant bullshit be tacked on to a Communistic "Hate Crimes" bill? |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 676936 Romania 10/23/2009 03:54 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | "Obama has promised to sign it into law despite his opposition to funding in the bill for a specific fighter jet engine." Quoting: Anonymous Coward 800971Just WHAT THE FUCK is this Mickey Mouse bullshit? HOW THE HELL can Americans permit their elected reps to create monstrous bills like this? HOW can such irrelevant bullshit be tacked on to a Communistic "Hate Crimes" bill? I bet that Hitler and Stalin would be jealous on Obama, they didn't have such instruments of influence and power at their command. |