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For those who don't have time to read the papers, an excerpt from the news of Baptist Press. Interesting that the media controlled government don't pay big attention to this. Anyway, this is outrageous. Tomorrow, if someone speaks something against the gay people, can go to jail.
The U.S. Senate sent a landmark bill Tuesday to President Obama that includes hate-crimes protections for homosexuals which critics say will infringe on the religious liberty of pastors and other faith leaders.

It is the biggest federal legislative victory to date for homosexual organizations.

In a 68-29 vote, senators passed 2010 National Defense Authorization Act, which includes the hate crimes measure that adds "sexual orientation" and "gender identity," as well as disability, to the current categories -- such as race, religion and gender -- protected from hate crimes. The House of Representatives voted 281-146 on Oct. 8 for the same defense legislation, which was used as a vehicle for the hate-crimes measure though it is not directly related to the controversial provision. President Obama has said he would sign the bill.

"Sexual orientation" includes homosexuality and bisexuality, while "gender identity," or transgendered status, takes in transsexuals and cross-dressers.

Obama has promised to sign it into law despite his opposition to funding in the bill for a specific fighter jet engine. He made his pledge at an Oct. 10 dinner sponsored by the Human Rights Campaign, the country's leading homosexual organization.

Sen. Jim DeMint, R.-S.C., an opponent of the hate crimes proposal, argued during floor debate that passage of the bill would lead to the policing of thoughts and words. He pointed to a case in Canada in which a youth pastor, Stephen Boissoin, was fined $7,000 by the Alberta Human Rights Commission for writing a letter to the local newspaper critical of homosexuality. The ruling is being appealed. Boissoin wrote, in part, "From kindergarten class on, our children, your grandchildren are being strategically targeted, psychologically abused and brainwashed by homosexual and pro-homosexual educators. Your children are being warped into believing that same-sex families are acceptable; that kissing men is appropriate."

Said DeMint, "Canadians right now live under this kind of regime, where so-called human rights commissions operating outside the normal legal process prosecute citizens for espousing opinions the commissioners disagree with. Today in the United States only actions are crimes. If we pass this conference report, opinions will become crimes. What is to stop us from following the lead of the European countries and American college campuses where certain speech is criminalized?

"Can priests, pastors and rabbis be sure their preaching will not be prosecuted if it says certain things are right and wrong?"

The Southern Baptist Ethics & Religious Liberty Commission and others oppose efforts to expand hate-crimes protections based not only on their inclusion of categories defined by sexual behavior or identity but also because of concerns about the potential impact on religious freedom.

They fear the measure, combined with existing law, could expose to prosecution Christians and others who proclaim the Bible's teaching that homosexual behavior and other sexual relations outside marriage are sinful. For example, if a person commits a violent act based on a victim's "sexual orientation" after hearing biblical teaching on the sinfulness of homosexual behavior, the preacher or teacher could be open to a charge of inducing the person to commit the crime, some foes say.

The bill included language designed to protect freedom of speech and the free exercise of religion, but some religious liberties organizations do not consider the protections adequate.

The House voted 249-175 in April for hate-crimes expansion as a stand-alone bill. The Senate approved similar hate-crimes language as part of the defense authorization bill in July. The different versions of the defense legislation went to a conference committee made up of members of both chambers to work out a compromise. That committee reported the bill out with the hate-crimes language included.

Under the measure, people convicted of a hate crime would be subject to more prison time and penalties than people who commit a crime that falls outside the class of hate crimes.

The legislation would authorize the U.S. attorney general to provide assistance to state and local officials in the investigation and prosecution of hate crimes.

According to the hate-crimes language in the bill, it "applies to violent acts motivated by actual or perceived race, color, religion, national origin, gender, sexual orientation, gender identity, or disability of a victim."
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P.S. I'm not a man who hate others, because of their religion, sexual orientation or race, but this is too much. If I'm not agree with the gay people, I have all the rights from this world to speak it freely.
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I know that is another pinned thread about a similar topic. Sorry for that.
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I hope he signs it!!!!!!!! Goofy Thum
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I hope he signs it!!!!!!!! Goofy Thum
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I'm agree with you, he will sign it, even many people do not want this law to be signed. Part of his plans.
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Boissoin wrote, in part, "From kindergarten class on, our children, your grandchildren are being strategically targeted, psychologically abused and brainwashed by homosexual and pro-homosexual educators. Your children are being warped into believing that same-sex families are acceptable; that kissing men is appropriate."
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Hmm. This guy is accusing The Gays of having a vast nationwide conspiracy. A strategic plan. That they're conducting psychological abuse and brainwashing of children. It's a bit beyond just disapproving of homosexuality; it's actually accusing homosexuals of operating a malign plot against all non-homosexuals in civilisation. The Protocols of the Elders of San Francisco, perhaps.

Now, if you're going to say that sort of lunacy should be protected by free speech, very well. Just as long as you're happy to extend the same to all others. A useful test is to substitute 'Jews' for 'homosexuals' and see if it comes out sounding like something out of Mein Kampf. If so, it's certainly hate speech, and the question then is simply whether we should have hate speech laws at all.

Myself, I'd prefer free speech for all, short of direct incitement to harm. But if we're going to have hate speech laws, then I'd prefer them to protect all, not just a few specially selected groups. If hate speech against Jews or blacks is a crime, then so should hate speech against gays or transsexuals be.
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Boissoin wrote, in part, "From kindergarten class on, our children, your grandchildren are being strategically targeted, psychologically abused and brainwashed by homosexual and pro-homosexual educators. Your children are being warped into believing that same-sex families are acceptable; that kissing men is appropriate."


Hmm. This guy is accusing The Gays of having a vast nationwide conspiracy. A strategic plan. That they're conducting psychological abuse and brainwashing of children. It's a bit beyond just disapproving of homosexuality; it's actually accusing homosexuals of operating a malign plot against all non-homosexuals in civilisation. The Protocols of the Elders of San Francisco, perhaps.

Now, if you're going to say that sort of lunacy should be protected by free speech, very well. Just as long as you're happy to extend the same to all others. A useful test is to substitute 'Jews' for 'homosexuals' and see if it comes out sounding like something out of Mein Kampf. If so, it's certainly hate speech, and the question then is simply whether we should have hate speech laws at all.

Myself, I'd prefer free speech for all, short of direct incitement to harm. But if we're going to have hate speech laws, then I'd prefer them to protect all, not just a few specially selected groups. If hate speech against Jews or blacks is a crime, then so should hate speech against gays or transsexuals be.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 774515

Interesting point of view. You're right, but how can someone interpret the meanings of a discourse, against some principles and groups, without to charge with hate. If I speek freely against nazis or gay, with passion, should I be charged because I hate those people?
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Boissoin wrote, in part, "From kindergarten class on, our children, your grandchildren are being strategically targeted, psychologically abused and brainwashed by homosexual and pro-homosexual educators. Your children are being warped into believing that same-sex families are acceptable; that kissing men is appropriate."


Hmm. This guy is accusing The Gays of having a vast nationwide conspiracy. A strategic plan. That they're conducting psychological abuse and brainwashing of children. It's a bit beyond just disapproving of homosexuality; it's actually accusing homosexuals of operating a malign plot against all non-homosexuals in civilisation. The Protocols of the Elders of San Francisco, perhaps.

Now, if you're going to say that sort of lunacy should be protected by free speech, very well. Just as long as you're happy to extend the same to all others. A useful test is to substitute 'Jews' for 'homosexuals' and see if it comes out sounding like something out of Mein Kampf. If so, it's certainly hate speech, and the question then is simply whether we should have hate speech laws at all.

Myself, I'd prefer free speech for all, short of direct incitement to harm. But if we're going to have hate speech laws, then I'd prefer them to protect all, not just a few specially selected groups. If hate speech against Jews or blacks is a crime, then so should hate speech against gays or transsexuals be.
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OK....
So are you for hate crime legislation against Christians and Jews?
How about White Europeans?
Talk Radio hosts?
Southerners?
How about Republicans?
Liberatarians?
Do you support hate crime protection for Anti-aborters?
Do you support hate crimes legislation to protect the unborn?
How about Christian Fundamentalist Ministers?

How about we get together and make a list... you can imput you concerns, I will submit mine...

Perhaps we can bring world peace merely by making hateful speech illegal.....
you know.... kind of like the laws that prevent murder.
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Boissoin wrote, in part, "From kindergarten class on, our children, your grandchildren are being strategically targeted, psychologically abused and brainwashed by homosexual and pro-homosexual educators. Your children are being warped into believing that same-sex families are acceptable; that kissing men is appropriate."


Hmm. This guy is accusing The Gays of having a vast nationwide conspiracy. A strategic plan. That they're conducting psychological abuse and brainwashing of children. It's a bit beyond just disapproving of homosexuality; it's actually accusing homosexuals of operating a malign plot against all non-homosexuals in civilisation. The Protocols of the Elders of San Francisco, perhaps.

Now, if you're going to say that sort of lunacy should be protected by free speech, very well. Just as long as you're happy to extend the same to all others. A useful test is to substitute 'Jews' for 'homosexuals' and see if it comes out sounding like something out of Mein Kampf. If so, it's certainly hate speech, and the question then is simply whether we should have hate speech laws at all.

Myself, I'd prefer free speech for all, short of direct incitement to harm. But if we're going to have hate speech laws, then I'd prefer them to protect all, not just a few specially selected groups. If hate speech against Jews or blacks is a crime, then so should hate speech against gays or transsexuals be.


OK....
So are you for hate crime legislation against Christians and Jews?
How about White Europeans?
Talk Radio hosts?
Southerners?
How about Republicans?
Liberatarians?
Do you support hate crime protection for Anti-aborters?
Do you support hate crimes legislation to protect the unborn?
How about Christian Fundamentalist Ministers?

How about we get together and make a list... you can imput you concerns, I will submit mine...

Perhaps we can bring world peace merely by making hateful speech illegal.....
you know.... kind of like the laws that prevent murder.
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Good point, Barksplinter! clappa
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As an educated professional upper middle class, caucasian gay male, I'm deeply flattered that M. Boissoin thinkg that we are so well organized as to be able to 'Warp children into believing that gay families are acceptable and men kissing men is appropriate."

The fact is that study after study has shown that gay families fare at least as well and most of the time better in terms of child raising. Our kids (raised in gay families) are often far less fucked up than their straight counterparts. The reason is that gay men and women try harder to be good parents and take the time to focus on the needs of their children first, vs "straight" people who take their child rearing skills as a matter of biological imperative and therefore make little or no effort to improve it over the years.

But as a politically "connected" member of the gay community - I can personally tell you that as a group the GLBT community is NOT that well organized. Hell, it's taken us 20 years to get this piss ant piece of legislation passed!

It's nice that the mormons and the catholics have now focused on us as the destroyers of the US and of God and Religion in America. But guys, we just don't have that kind of power! Have you ever seen two decorators discussing what kind of window treatment to put in a room? Or what color to paint a building? Two gay men cannot usually even agree on what to order for dinner!

Remember, the gay community is a large and diverse group making up almost 1/6th of the population, and other than our desire for same sex partners, we have NOTHIN else in common. NOTHING AT ALL!

We come from all different strata's of society, we are every color and ethnic group you can imagine, some of us are wealthy, many are poor. Some are working class, some are not. There is no unifying or identifying outward sign by which we can even reliably know each other! And yet we're given all this implied "power" by various religious groups and we're blamed for the downfall of western society! Yeah, right! Anyone with half a brain can see we've become a convenient lightening rod on which two specific and somewhat weird and archaic religious groups can focus their hate. The catholics hate us because they're pissed off about the billions they were forced to pay off to settle the child abuse and sodomy issues of their priests all over the nations screwing their alter-boys for generations. That one came back to bite them in the wallet - and pissed them off royally. The Mormons hate us because about 1/2 of their little mormon missionaries go into a large city and figure out they are gay, and they don't come back to Salt Lake and marry their childhood sweetheart and have five or six kids. Rather they stay in the big city, marry a choreographer and eventually have a brownstone in Manhattan and a house in the burbs. Of course along the way they not only denounce their Mormon Breeder life that was planned and foisted on them before they were old enough to object, but they find that the nights in the arms of another man to be vastly more satisfying than playing "hubby" to some half-educated fat mormon brood-sow bitch who does nothing but pop out children every time she gets near a sperm cell. (His or any other man's!) On that basis, we can understand the Mormons being hesitant to send their cute little missionaries into the gay ghettos of the nation. It seems that all too often they find something to ride that's a lot more fun than a bicycle! (grin)







Boissoin wrote, in part, "From kindergarten class on, our children, your grandchildren are being strategically targeted, psychologically abused and brainwashed by homosexual and pro-homosexual educators. Your children are being warped into believing that same-sex families are acceptable; that kissing men is appropriate."


Hmm. This guy is accusing The Gays of having a vast nationwide conspiracy. A strategic plan. That they're conducting psychological abuse and brainwashing of children. It's a bit beyond just disapproving of homosexuality; it's actually accusing homosexuals of operating a malign plot against all non-homosexuals in civilisation. The Protocols of the Elders of San Francisco, perhaps.

Now, if you're going to say that sort of lunacy should be protected by free speech, very well. Just as long as you're happy to extend the same to all others. A useful test is to substitute 'Jews' for 'homosexuals' and see if it comes out sounding like something out of Mein Kampf. If so, it's certainly hate speech, and the question then is simply whether we should have hate speech laws at all.

Myself, I'd prefer free speech for all, short of direct incitement to harm. But if we're going to have hate speech laws, then I'd prefer them to protect all, not just a few specially selected groups. If hate speech against Jews or blacks is a crime, then so should hate speech against gays or transsexuals be.
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well at least Blacks will have a very long sentence for beating dow ennocent whites now...
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As an educated professional upper middle class, caucasian gay male, I'm deeply flattered that M. Boissoin thinkg that we are so well organized as to be able to 'Warp children into believing that gay families are acceptable and men kissing men is appropriate."

The fact is that study after study has shown that gay families fare at least as well and most of the time better in terms of child raising. Our kids (raised in gay families) are often far less fucked up than their straight counterparts. The reason is that gay men and women try harder to be good parents and take the time to focus on the needs of their children first, vs "straight" people who take their child rearing skills as a matter of biological imperative and therefore make little or no effort to improve it over the years.

But as a politically "connected" member of the gay community - I can personally tell you that as a group the GLBT community is NOT that well organized. Hell, it's taken us 20 years to get this piss ant piece of legislation passed!

It's nice that the mormons and the catholics have now focused on us as the destroyers of the US and of God and Religion in America. But guys, we just don't have that kind of power! Have you ever seen two decorators discussing what kind of window treatment to put in a room? Or what color to paint a building? Two gay men cannot usually even agree on what to order for dinner!

Remember, the gay community is a large and diverse group making up almost 1/6th of the population, and other than our desire for same sex partners, we have NOTHIN else in common. NOTHING AT ALL!

We come from all different strata's of society, we are every color and ethnic group you can imagine, some of us are wealthy, many are poor. Some are working class, some are not. There is no unifying or identifying outward sign by which we can even reliably know each other! And yet we're given all this implied "power" by various religious groups and we're blamed for the downfall of western society! Yeah, right! Anyone with half a brain can see we've become a convenient lightening rod on which two specific and somewhat weird and archaic religious groups can focus their hate. The catholics hate us because they're pissed off about the billions they were forced to pay off to settle the child abuse and sodomy issues of their priests all over the nations screwing their alter-boys for generations. That one came back to bite them in the wallet - and pissed them off royally. The Mormons hate us because about 1/2 of their little mormon missionaries go into a large city and figure out they are gay, and they don't come back to Salt Lake and marry their childhood sweetheart and have five or six kids. Rather they stay in the big city, marry a choreographer and eventually have a brownstone in Manhattan and a house in the burbs. Of course along the way they not only denounce their Mormon Breeder life that was planned and foisted on them before they were old enough to object, but they find that the nights in the arms of another man to be vastly more satisfying than playing "hubby" to some half-educated fat mormon brood-sow bitch who does nothing but pop out children every time she gets near a sperm cell. (His or any other man's!) On that basis, we can understand the Mormons being hesitant to send their cute little missionaries into the gay ghettos of the nation. It seems that all too often they find something to ride that's a lot more fun than a bicycle! (grin)









Boissoin wrote, in part, "From kindergarten class on, our children, your grandchildren are being strategically targeted, psychologically abused and brainwashed by homosexual and pro-homosexual educators. Your children are being warped into believing that same-sex families are acceptable; that kissing men is appropriate."


Hmm. This guy is accusing The Gays of having a vast nationwide conspiracy. A strategic plan. That they're conducting psychological abuse and brainwashing of children. It's a bit beyond just disapproving of homosexuality; it's actually accusing homosexuals of operating a malign plot against all non-homosexuals in civilisation. The Protocols of the Elders of San Francisco, perhaps.

Now, if you're going to say that sort of lunacy should be protected by free speech, very well. Just as long as you're happy to extend the same to all others. A useful test is to substitute 'Jews' for 'homosexuals' and see if it comes out sounding like something out of Mein Kampf. If so, it's certainly hate speech, and the question then is simply whether we should have hate speech laws at all.

Myself, I'd prefer free speech for all, short of direct incitement to harm. But if we're going to have hate speech laws, then I'd prefer them to protect all, not just a few specially selected groups. If hate speech against Jews or blacks is a crime, then so should hate speech against gays or transsexuals be.

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As long as gays don't have an aggressive propaganda it's ok. When the hetero people are regarded as lunatics and bad parents, c'mon!
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"Obama has promised to sign it into law despite his opposition to funding in the bill for a specific fighter jet engine."

Just WHAT THE FUCK is this Mickey Mouse bullshit?

HOW THE HELL can Americans permit their elected reps to create monstrous bills like this?

HOW can such irrelevant bullshit be tacked on to a Communistic "Hate Crimes" bill?

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"Obama has promised to sign it into law despite his opposition to funding in the bill for a specific fighter jet engine."

Just WHAT THE FUCK is this Mickey Mouse bullshit?

HOW THE HELL can Americans permit their elected reps to create monstrous bills like this?

HOW can such irrelevant bullshit be tacked on to a Communistic "Hate Crimes" bill?

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I bet that Hitler and Stalin would be jealous on Obama, they didn't have such instruments of influence and power at their command.





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