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Friends, I want to keep this as respectful as possible.

I gotta break something to you. Religion (not just yours!!) is a lie used by kings and queens and leaders of the world to make you their servants. The guys who wrote the book in the first place are currently making the book of Revelations happen ... so don't be too impressed. All has to do with 2012.

Please think objectively. What are the odds that a religion (that has done a heck of a job keeping folks in line) has actually survived 2000 YEARS without being molested by the powers that be???? It would be the ONLY thing that wasn't. It would also be the most effective thing to molest for their purposes. Which is control.

There is a lot of truth in the bible, but don't think for a second that religion wasn't created to keep people from asking questions and looking into the truth.

Why would you listen to a group that tells you the savior of the world hung out with a whore all the time?

Why do churches have roofs?

Why are we taught in church to look DOWN then we pray??

Why are all the prayers so rythmic and everyone must say the same words at the same time????? "Lord's Prayer for example". Kinda creepy isn't it?

These guys are MASTERS of rubbing shit in your face and telling you it smells like roses! We need to stop falling for this 2000 year old crap.

I can mathematically prove there is some sort of God. I've been in contact with angels (who are space aliens ... LOL duhhhhhh! Hmmmm why didn't they talk about this in church????) I was surprised too!

Don't be an idiot and think they're all bad!! Some are "fallen" (bad) many are here to help us! Some created us. Why is this so hard to beleive? We can already clone things with our unevolved technology.

You must think with logic to see what is real. You've been lied to in a disgusting way.

ALLOW YOURSELF to think about it. God gave you free will. If you look into it, find out it's wrong, and come back and appolagize, God will not freaking punish you for wanting to explore and find out what is REAL?!?!?!

Kind interesting how you're made to beleive that isn't it ... hmmm makes you wonder.

Funny how you're made to beleive your personal beleifs are the ONLY true ones regarding God. All based off one book, which was allegedly written LONG before anyone we know and could vouch for it's credability.

The clincher .... CHURCHES ARE TAX EXEMPT ORGANIZATIONS ?!?!?!?!?!

If you truly know who runs this country, and you beleieve they don't extort churches to be nice???? Think again!!! All part of the same lieng machine.

Don't let them trick you. They even give you clues!!!

THE GREAT DECEPTION. Doesn't the anti-christ come in the name of God??? The church is the great deception.

I'm truly sorry. I know if you can realize this it will change your entire reality and that's difficult.

But we as a species just can not tolerate allowing other to continue to be lied to at such an important juncture in the history of our planet and species.

I'm up for a conversation on this if you think you can prove me wrong.

I'm reasonable and logical ....

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Christians should honour their goverments if they adapt christian and Jewish laws. But if the goverment goes against the Commandments then we should do something about it.
Marcus 11: 22 And Jesus answering saith unto them, Have faith in God.
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Do you believe there is TRUTH in this world?
If so, can you define TRUTH?
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Don't confuse religion with organized religion.

Every single person on this planet is religious, yet not everyone follows mainstream organized religion. We are spirit beings (to some extent), thus every single person is spiritual in one way or another.
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Fuck Christianity and all religions, there just memes, that corrupt the brain machinery and all that matrix stuff.

get a life instead.


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Christians should honour their goverments if they adapt christian and Jewish laws. But if the goverment goes against the Commandments then we should do something about it.
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One created the other. They are the same. You've missed my point.

How else can you control an enormous population with a few people other than lieng?
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Yeah, you are a complete spiritual retard who has accepted the lies of the devil and seduced by them. First of all, the real Christians have an intimate relationship with our God, and it is not based upon religion, or "brainwashing" but upon having an encounter with a living God who has saved us from our sin, and redeemed us unto Himself as His bride, His completer.

So trying to convince us that it is all a lie, is as old as the Garden of Eden when the serpent said "hath God said..." Your argument is as satanic as it was in the beginning, and we do not accept your lies as it sounds as familiar as it did in the Garden.

But seriously, you really believe that you are qualified to be an expert in Theology? I think that is a symptom of all Spiritual retards, of which you have shown yours today.
"Glory is what happens when faith overcomes adversity."
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Christians should honour their goverments if they adapt christian and Jewish laws. But if the goverment goes against the Commandments then we should do something about it.


One created the other. They are the same. You've missed my point.

How else can you control an enormous population with a few people other than lieng?
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This may sound stupid, but I dont know what your talking about. Whats wrong with christianity?

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Marcus 11: 22 And Jesus answering saith unto them, Have faith in God.
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God loves you, and so do I!

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How else can you control an enormous population with a few people other than lieng?
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If you can't let God govern your actions, man WILL inact laws to govern you.
America was great when we had Christian morals to guide us. Thanks to humanism and liberalism back in the 60's, look at where we are now.
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Do you believe there is TRUTH in this world?
If so, can you define TRUTH?
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Good question.

Descartes was a philosopher in the 1600's I who set out to solve this as he wanted to live only in reality. A noble venture.

He spent his life trying to find 4 pillars of Universal truth.

He only found one. "I am a thinking thing". Or "I think, therefore I am."

An extremley intellegent man. I agree with him. From here it gets sticky. I beleive their are many realities. It's a state of mind.

One should work hard to not allow people who will blatently lie to you in an effort to control you for their own purposes at all costs though.

The individual is so precious.
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Don't confuse religion with organized religion.

Every single person on this planet is religious, yet not everyone follows mainstream organized religion. We are spirit beings (to some extent), thus every single person is spiritual in one way or another.
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Agreed. Sorry.

Indeed we all are.
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Do you believe there is TRUTH in this world?
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Good question.

Descartes was a philosopher in the 1600's I who set out to solve this as he wanted to live only in reality. A noble venture.

He spent his life trying to find 4 pillars of Universal truth.

He only found one. "I am a thinking thing". Or "I think, therefore I am."

An extremley intellegent man. I agree with him. From here it gets sticky. I beleive their are many realities. It's a state of mind.

One should work hard to not allow people who will blatently lie to you in an effort to control you for their own purposes at all costs though.

The individual is so precious.
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Socrates said, "The only thing I know for sure, is that I know nothing."

Once you come to this realization, you can start to see the world for what it really is.
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Yeah, you are a complete spiritual retard who has accepted the lies of the devil and seduced by them. First of all, the real Christians have an intimate relationship with our God, and it is not based upon religion, or "brainwashing" but upon having an encounter with a living God who has saved us from our sin, and redeemed us unto Himself as His bride, His completer.

So trying to convince us that it is all a lie, is as old as the Garden of Eden when the serpent said "hath God said..." Your argument is as satanic as it was in the beginning, and we do not accept your lies as it sounds as familiar as it did in the Garden.

But seriously, you really believe that you are qualified to be an expert in Theology? I think that is a symptom of all Spiritual retards, of which you have shown yours today.
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LOL calling people retards ... takes me back to the middle school days. Funny stuff.

This the exact crap they use on you guys to make you never question what you are told.

If you do it will be the devil doing it!!!

Wasn't he a serpent? Sneaky??? Hmm what a sneaky thing to do. Tell the people "Everyone, come here to worship God!!"

Then have a man stand in front of them and tell them who and what God is????

I agree. I'm not defining God, but everything I told you is true. That's you guys who like to tell everyone exactally what God is. ;) You want to tell me your savior spent a significant ammount of time with a hooker too right?

Please address that very important detail.
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Do you believe there is TRUTH in this world?
If so, can you define TRUTH?


Good question.

.............................................................​..... I beleive their are many realities. It's a state of mind.

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How can there be many realities? Doesn't it seem logical there is one reality and your mind is what interprets it?
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I find that most if not all religions today use duality to keep people controlled.

Duality is dis empowering.
Open your mind. Your perception of reality is about to change.
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You want to tell me your savior spent a significant ammount of time with a hooker too right?

Please address that very important detail.
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You attempt at levity is not ammusing. I thought you really wanted a discussion. Sorry.
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Yeah, you are a complete spiritual retard who has accepted the lies of the devil and seduced by them. First of all, the real Christians have an intimate relationship with our God, and it is not based upon religion, or "brainwashing" but upon having an encounter with a living God who has saved us from our sin, and redeemed us unto Himself as His bride, His completer.

So trying to convince us that it is all a lie, is as old as the Garden of Eden when the serpent said "hath God said..." Your argument is as satanic as it was in the beginning, and we do not accept your lies as it sounds as familiar as it did in the Garden.

But seriously, you really believe that you are qualified to be an expert in Theology? I think that is a symptom of all Spiritual retards, of which you have shown yours today.
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"Spiritual retards" eh? That's a great witness you've got going on there.
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The Pope use too be a Warlord, Jesus Kills.


Thousands die every year from praying instead of avoiding a incoming danger.
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The Pope use too be a Warlord, Jesus Kills.


Thousands die every year from praying instead of avoiding a incoming danger.
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Yet there is no way of knowing if they would have survived anyway if they had not prayed and tried of avoiding danger.
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Yeah, you are a complete spiritual retard who has accepted the lies of the devil and seduced by them. First of all, the real Christians have an intimate relationship with our God, and it is not based upon religion, or "brainwashing" but upon having an encounter with a living God who has saved us from our sin, and redeemed us unto Himself as His bride, His completer.

So trying to convince us that it is all a lie, is as old as the Garden of Eden when the serpent said "hath God said..." Your argument is as satanic as it was in the beginning, and we do not accept your lies as it sounds as familiar as it did in the Garden.

But seriously, you really believe that you are qualified to be an expert in Theology? I think that is a symptom of all Spiritual retards, of which you have shown yours today.


LOL calling people retards ... takes me back to the middle school days. Funny stuff.

This the exact crap they use on you guys to make you never question what you are told.

If you do it will be the devil doing it!!!

Wasn't he a serpent? Sneaky??? Hmm what a sneaky thing to do. Tell the people "Everyone, come here to worship God!!"

Then have a man stand in front of them and tell them who and what God is????

I agree. I'm not defining God, but everything I told you is true. That's you guys who like to tell everyone exactally what God is. ;) You want to tell me your savior spent a significant ammount of time with a hooker too right?

Please address that very important detail.
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No, I think the more you try to express your opinion, the more retarded you look.

First of all, you don't have even a slight clue as to what happens spiritually when one yields to the move of God on their life, Second, you haven't got a clue as to any kind of moral compass, hell, you don't even know what truth is.

If this is the sum of your experiences, which spiritually equals up to zero, what makes you think you have the expertise to guide anyone into any form of spiritual walk? To me, your just another blind guide trying to lead the blind and both are falling into the ditch.
"Glory is what happens when faith overcomes adversity."
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Christians should honour their goverments if they adapt christian and Jewish laws. But if the goverment goes against the Commandments then we should do something about it.


One created the other. They are the same. You've missed my point.

How else can you control an enormous population with a few people other than lieng?


This may sound stupid, but I dont know what your talking about. Whats wrong with christianity?
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Not stupid at all.

If you look at it objectively. Just remove your personal oppinion for a period of time and ask ... does 2+2 = 4 here?

What are the odds it is not a tool used by those in control to manipulate the population and keep them in line? Why wouldn't they do that?

Put the pieces together from there with your own personal experiences.

It's a massive lie and manipulation to bind people's souls to just that ... a lie.

I think that's a horrible thing to do to people as there ARE amazing spiritual things in this Universe! No question!

But going to a church or the handy dandy bible or govt. provides us with as our "national religion of choice" is like watching NBC (or any other MSM network) and thinking they are actualy reporting true, unbiased events to you because it's in your best interest.

I'm not just saying this of Christianity. I beleive all organized religion has lots of elements of this.

The Buddists seem to be the most realistic, but higher beings do not need men to organize our relationship with them!!!
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Friends, I want to keep this as respectful as possible.

I gotta break something to you. Religion (not just yours!!) is a lie used by kings and queens and leaders of the world to make you their servants. The guys who wrote the book in the first place are currently making the book of Revelations happen ... so don't be too impressed. All has to do with 2012.

Please think objectively. What are the odds that a religion (that has done a heck of a job keeping folks in line) has actually survived 2000 YEARS without being molested by the powers that be???? It would be the ONLY thing that wasn't. It would also be the most effective thing to molest for their purposes. Which is control.

There is a lot of truth in the bible, but don't think for a second that religion wasn't created to keep people from asking questions and looking into the truth.

Why would you listen to a group that tells you the savior of the world hung out with a whore all the time?

Why do churches have roofs?

Why are we taught in church to look DOWN then we pray??

Why are all the prayers so rythmic and everyone must say the same words at the same time????? "Lord's Prayer for example". Kinda creepy isn't it?

These guys are MASTERS of rubbing shit in your face and telling you it smells like roses! We need to stop falling for this 2000 year old crap.

I can mathematically prove there is some sort of God. I've been in contact with angels (who are space aliens ... LOL duhhhhhh! Hmmmm why didn't they talk about this in church????) I was surprised too!

Don't be an idiot and think they're all bad!! Some are "fallen" (bad) many are here to help us! Some created us. Why is this so hard to beleive? We can already clone things with our unevolved technology.

You must think with logic to see what is real. You've been lied to in a disgusting way.

ALLOW YOURSELF to think about it. God gave you free will. If you look into it, find out it's wrong, and come back and appolagize, God will not freaking punish you for wanting to explore and find out what is REAL?!?!?!

Kind interesting how you're made to beleive that isn't it ... hmmm makes you wonder.

Funny how you're made to beleive your personal beleifs are the ONLY true ones regarding God. All based off one book, which was allegedly written LONG before anyone we know and could vouch for it's credability.

The clincher .... CHURCHES ARE TAX EXEMPT ORGANIZATIONS ?!?!?!?!?!

If you truly know who runs this country, and you beleieve they don't extort churches to be nice???? Think again!!! All part of the same lieng machine.

Don't let them trick you. They even give you clues!!!

THE GREAT DECEPTION. Doesn't the anti-christ come in the name of God??? The church is the great deception.

I'm truly sorry. I know if you can realize this it will change your entire reality and that's difficult.

But we as a species just can not tolerate allowing other to continue to be lied to at such an important juncture in the history of our planet and species.

I'm up for a conversation on this if you think you can prove me wrong.

I'm reasonable and logical ....

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Well, the bible predicted people would scoff and not believe his words, so I would say the odds are pretty big that christainty survived. And the whole churches are buildings isn't true either. The church is within YOU. Of course religion is distorted and used for purposes not taught by the Lord. It has to happen that way for prophecy to be fufilled and if you look around, things are getting worse and worse as the days progress. Prayer isn't supposed to be rhythmic either. It is taught that way by man to make it easier. One is supposed to talk to god as you would your best friend or parents, siblings ect. HE WANTS A PERSONAL RELATIONONSHIP WITH YOU. How can one have a relationship with a person that says the same things over and over again. Or only comes to you when they need or want something? YOU CAN'T. As far as belief is concerned you believe it is comprised of some lies, so one could make the same assumption that through yout own research and opinions you came to the conclusion of questioning his word is the only true way to think and attain logic from in your words "the great deception". Your crediability based on logic and overall opinion could be seen in the same way to a christian as the lack of crediablity in the bible is to you. I respect where you are coming from though I don't agree with you. But at least you are willing to talk about it in a respectful manner.
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Do you believe there is TRUTH in this world?
If so, can you define TRUTH?


Good question.

.............................................................​..... I beleive their are many realities. It's a state of mind.

.........................


How can there be many realities? Doesn't it seem logical there is one reality and your mind is what interprets it?
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This is why this is hard to pin down.

I don't think reality is a concept we can truly wrap our minds around yet ... I thinks the guys pulling the strings obviously understand it a lot better than the general population.

If my reality is real to me. Is it real? Even if it's not?

Impossible question to answer. I think LOL.

Point is what is being taught in churches has bits and pieces of reality, or history (so it seems). But if looked at objectively is simply other men trying to govern the populations relationship with God or the angels, who many civilizations saw as "the Gods" ... I'm speaking of aliens of course. Who CAN create life.
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You want to tell me your savior spent a significant ammount of time with a hooker too right?

Please address that very important detail.

You attempt at levity is not ammusing. I thought you really wanted a discussion. Sorry.
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Sorry text comes acrossed wrong sometimes.

I'm not trying to be a smart ass.

This is a common beleif throughout the Christian religion.

I think it's worth looking at myself.
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Yeah, you are a complete spiritual retard who has accepted the lies of the devil and seduced by them. First of all, the real Christians have an intimate relationship with our God, and it is not based upon religion, or "brainwashing" but upon having an encounter with a living God who has saved us from our sin, and redeemed us unto Himself as His bride, His completer.

So trying to convince us that it is all a lie, is as old as the Garden of Eden when the serpent said "hath God said..." Your argument is as satanic as it was in the beginning, and we do not accept your lies as it sounds as familiar as it did in the Garden.

But seriously, you really believe that you are qualified to be an expert in Theology? I think that is a symptom of all Spiritual retards, of which you have shown yours today.


LOL calling people retards ... takes me back to the middle school days. Funny stuff.

This the exact crap they use on you guys to make you never question what you are told.

If you do it will be the devil doing it!!!

Wasn't he a serpent? Sneaky??? Hmm what a sneaky thing to do. Tell the people "Everyone, come here to worship God!!"

Then have a man stand in front of them and tell them who and what God is????

I agree. I'm not defining God, but everything I told you is true. That's you guys who like to tell everyone exactally what God is. ;) You want to tell me your savior spent a significant ammount of time with a hooker too right?

Please address that very important detail.





No, I think the more you try to express your opinion, the more retarded you look.

First of all, you don't have even a slight clue as to what happens spiritually when one yields to the move of God on their life, Second, you haven't got a clue as to any kind of moral compass, hell, you don't even know what truth is.

If this is the sum of your experiences, which spiritually equals up to zero, what makes you think you have the expertise to guide anyone into any form of spiritual walk? To me, your just another blind guide trying to lead the blind and both are falling into the ditch.
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Do you see how you tell me my experiences as though you are certain what they are. This is just not logical.

Do you really beleive it is possible this book went 2000 years without the folks that tell us all what to do manipulating it for their own purposes??

Many thought they were Gods.

You're stuck in a mindset and not able to think outside of it. So this discussion makes you agitated. Notice that reaction. This is a symptom of brainwashing ... seriously .. do some research.
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How can there be many realities? Doesn't it seem logical there is one reality and your mind is what interprets it?
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If you could not see color, then would color not exist? There are probably many realities that we do not perceive.
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Billions of people have had a "personal encounter" with God. And no matter what they are told and what idiots spew at them they know with all their heart and mind that God is real and nothing in this world will change that.

So all that point and laugh, all that work against him will have their place in darkness just like they screamed in life that there is no afterlife. So shall it be for them. God doesnt force his love on anyone.
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You want to tell me your savior spent a significant ammount of time with a hooker too right?

Please address that very important detail.

You attempt at levity is not ammusing. I thought you really wanted a discussion. Sorry.


Sorry text comes acrossed wrong sometimes.

I'm not trying to be a smart ass.

This is a common beleif throughout the Christian religion.

I think it's worth looking at myself.
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Jesus claimed to be TRUTH. He also came to heal the sick, both physically and spiritually.
There is alot of deceit and lies out there but Jesus has never let me down. It is my hope that you too can find His TRUTH.
There is one reality. We are seperated from God by sin and nothing we can do about it ourselves. God made a door only you can walk thru alone. You must decide on whose truth to believe, the Creators or the creations.

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It's sad really. Satan is called "the deceiver" correct? Yet Christians don't give him credit. They act as if it's only non-christians that can possibly be deceived. "Not me!" Like they can see Satan's deceptions from a mile away or something. NOT.

He's not called the deceiver for nothing. He got that title for a reason. HE'S GOOD AT HIS JOB! Now please tell me why you think that the Bible has not been tampered with. I mean, if I were Satan, that's the first thing I'd do. Corrupt that book so that Christians wouldn't know truth. All you have to do is see all the different denominations to realize that the Bible is a very confusing book. And God is not the author of confusion right? Yet groups within Christianity itself fight over doctrine and interpretation.

WAKE UP PEOPLE.
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How can there be many realities? Doesn't it seem logical there is one reality and your mind is what interprets it?



If you could not see color, then would color not exist? There are probably many realities that we do not perceive.
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 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 780241

A blind man can not conceive of "BLUE". This does not mean it is a different reality to him. It means he doesn't have the "senses" to interpret it.
This does not change reality.





GLP