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Swine flu vaccines cause miscarriages--proof

 
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The only way to really know if the shot effects miscarriages is to track a large # of patients and compare it to those of a year ago before the shot. This is what the CDC is doing.

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H1N1 Swine Flu Vaccine Insert Admits It Causes Guillain-Barre Syndrome, Vasculitis, Paralysis, Anaphylactic Shock And Death

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[link to www.fda.gov]
section 6.3 list side effects

From the H1N1 vaccine insert:

8.1 Pregnancy

Pregnancy Category C: Animal reproduction studies have not been conducted with Influenza A (H1N1) 2009 Monovalent Vaccine or FLUVIRIN. It is also not known whether Influenza A (H1N1) 2009 Monovalent Vaccine or FLUVIRIN can cause fetal harm when administered to a pregnant woman or can affect reproduction capacity. Influenza A (H1N1) 2009 Monovalent Vaccine should be given to a pregnant woman only if clearly needed.

8.3 Nursing Mothers

It is not known whether FLUVIRIN or Influenza A (H1N1) 2009 Monovalent Vaccine is excreted in human milk. Because many drugs are excreted in human milk, caution should be exercised when Influenza A (H1N1) 2009 Monovalent Vaccine is administered to a nursing woman.
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A coworker was telling me last night that her cousin was pregnant, got the swine flu shot, and miscarried a few days later. The doctors told her that it was not the shot, it was a problem with the baby, that it had a genetic defect.
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Maybe they are afraid of getting sued? And how many doctors get a kickback from giving vaccinations??? We DON'T know
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I would not have any vaccine if I was pregnant. Whether doctors said it was safe or not, I wouldn't risk it. When I was pregnant I was so careful, ate well, exercised, didn't drink alcohol, didn't even have coffee and I still had three miscarriages. One was an early miscarriage (under 12 weeks) one was at 13 weeks and one at 18 weeks. The death of the 13 week fetus was discovered during a routine ultrasound. I didn't go into labour for almost a week. The 18 week miscarriage happened suddenly when I went into labour for no apparent reason. Postmortem on the baby showed him to be normal. I have had three live, but premature, births. So my odds were 50%.

My best friend has had six miscarriages, for no apparent reason, and I know numerous women who have had multiple miscarriages. Sadly its a part of life. When I had my 18 week miscarriage a number of women who I knew personally, and many other women in my area, all miscarried within a week or two of each other and we were all grasping at straws, trying to work out if something was to blame. But no cause was ever found.

My heart goes out to the women who have had these miscarriages. The death of a baby at any age or for any reason is a tragedy.
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The RISK is no big deal when it isn't your baby or son or daughter destroyed for life from a toxic vaccine.

You G-D damn pharmaceutical shills and doctors and nurses will rot in hell for what you have done and continue to do.

STOP SUPPORTING THEM, JUST SAY NO.

The only reason they get away with this shit is because people are so easily manipulated. Send every article and every video you can get your hands on to all your friends and family.
"Fear is the mind killer" ~ Bene Gesserit
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People ... please understand the facts ...

1) My wife has had several miscarriages .... I feel for these women ... However, the fact is the death of the child happens days if not a week or two before the woman actually knows she has miscarried. It takes that long for the hormones to change and the blood to be released.

This is from medical experience as we went in for ultrasounds a few times knowing we were pregnant only to find out that the fetus wasn't alive and was a week or two smaller than we calculated as the baby had died a week before. The actual miscarriage wasn't until a few days later.

So the shot is just a happenstance just like if the women went to workout and then started to have the physical signs of a miscarriage. The actual event that triggered it happened a week before - and we will never really know what caused it.

We actually thought that having sex causes it ... so I guess everyone should stay home in bed with their husband banished to the couch because anything can cause it.

2) 20% of all pregnancies are thought to end in miscarriages ... we just don't know of many of them because they are a part of the regular cycle - only live a few days.


The only way to really know if the shot effects miscarriages is to track a large # of patients and compare it to those of a year ago before the shot. This is what the CDC is doing.



Take your bullshit elsewhere


Should have expected such an intelligent response ... I guess no one wants facts just spin
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There is the problem, we are given no facts. We are told to "get the damn vaccine" with an urgency that suggests there are other motives. I've chosen not to have my wife (7 months pregnant) and my 19 month old child not to get it. Now of course, if my wife wants it, she can have it, but she listens to my opinion on the matter.

The biggest problem with the decision is the lack of out right facts about H1N1 and facts about the vaccine. The one fact I do know is that it is risky enough that the government has given the drug companies immunity in regards to being sued over the side effects.

The other problem for the child is they want to give her two shots for this one and two for the regular flu. Well, that's good parenting, just drug up the child with Mercury (a known poision) shots 4 times and hope it all comes out all right, all for the sake of keeping her from getting sick for a week and developing a natural immunity.

For my wife, we do it realize it is dangerous for her, but for the vaccine, it is dangerous and untested as well. And for those who say, yeah these are early miscarriges or their is only 1 case of GBS confirmed so far I ask, how long have people been getting the shot vs how long have people been getting the flu? These are just the first of more to come. How many more? No one knows.

For the person who cried this is fear-mongering: I don't think so. There are no facts about what it will and the MSM will not say a damn thing against the big bad drug companies.
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This is so sad to read. Population Control. :-(
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I would not have any vaccine if I was pregnant. Whether doctors said it was safe or not, I wouldn't risk it. When I was pregnant I was so careful, ate well, exercised, didn't drink alcohol, didn't even have coffee and I still had three miscarriages. One was an early miscarriage (under 12 weeks) one was at 13 weeks and one at 18 weeks. The death of the 13 week fetus was discovered during a routine ultrasound. I didn't go into labour for almost a week. The 18 week miscarriage happened suddenly when I went into labour for no apparent reason. Postmortem on the baby showed him to be normal. I have had three live, but premature, births. So my odds were 50%.

My best friend has had six miscarriages, for no apparent reason, and I know numerous women who have had multiple miscarriages. Sadly its a part of life. When I had my 18 week miscarriage a number of women who I knew personally, and many other women in my area, all miscarried within a week or two of each other and we were all grasping at straws, trying to work out if something was to blame. But no cause was ever found.

My heart goes out to the women who have had these miscarriages. The death of a baby at any age or for any reason is a tragedy.
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sorry for for loses. My wife miscarried a few years ago and it is by far one of the most painful experiences I have ever went through.
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The only reason they get away with this shit is because people are so easily manipulated.
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You got that right!!! Lots of people could easily change Dr. in front of their name to God and never question a word they say...
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Rev 6:8 And I looked and saw a pale horse. And he who sat on it had the name Death, and the grave followed with him. And authority was given to them over a fourth of the earth, to kill with sword, and with hunger, and with death, and by the beasts of the earth.

G2342
θηρίον
thērion
thay-ree'-on
Diminutive from the same as G2339; a dangerous animal: - (venomous, wild) beast.

Comment from one email message I received, in agreement anyway but said well:

“In the book of "The Revelation," Yochanan revealed that after a manufactured global economic collapse there would be a significant population reduction involving death by "therion" (translated "beasts of the earth" in the KJV). I gave details in the book that identified "therion" as biological weapons that would be used against the masses of humanity to bring about total chaos, followed by totalitarian control. The therion now being released are engineered hybrid virus cocktails of swine, bird, and assorted intravenous beast flu strains which are being sold to the ignorant public under the guise of a "shortage" that only the quick and the wise will be lucky enough to avert. This, however, is a precursor - not the main attack. Do not panic, but do not be stupid. There are enough gullible "extras" who will willingly inject pig pus into their veins that it will not take much time at all before we have a major pandemic of cross-species viruses being exhaled on every street corner in America.

There is going to be a big push to drag everyone into the venerated "health care" system that was initially championed by Hillary Clinton, the sponsor of White House séances and occult communications with dead former First Ladies. Enter the deadly world of mandated "sick care," where institutionally trained scriptwriters for pharmaceutical companies use scripturally forbidden "pharmakia" to mask symptoms until the body becomes so diseased that their agents inform us that the only remedy is to burn out, cut out, or poison the body parts which were destroyed by pharmakia. This high-tech barbarism has turned America into the most disease-ridden culture which has ever infested the planet - and the American drug sorcerers have manipulated the population to pay over a trillion dollars a year to the witches who concoct these deadly brews. We must learn how the Creator designed our body to heal itself, or we too will be doomed to the ravages of the Babylonian sorcerers' system.

The warning has already sounded. “

The health care bill has the same “Mark of the Beast” authority as that passed in other countries such as Israel. This is the build up to what is prophesied in the bible and revelation right in our faces today.

It’s amazing at how diabolical this culture has become in that the “Hitler” of today does not have to use gas chambers or firing squads. He gets people to willingly take slow death while maximizing profit off of the medical conditions caused on that road to the Death of Dust of that Serpent that Eats the Dust of the Flesh promoted in vaccines of poison and genetic manipulation by those microscopic beasts that are found in them, cursed to do so from the beginning in Genesis. Those in league with that serpent are promoting his Death and allowing the beasts of the earth free reign in the Living Temples of man, promoted by man in ignorance and their folly at not Hearing the Voice of the Messiah Yahushua. Loved not the truth so they fall into strong delusion to believe the LIE and the Lies promoted by those who want everyone dead except for their “master race”. But it will not be so for the prophecy has been foretold of the doom of that “master race”. It is so important to UNPLUG from Babylon, to come out of her my people, so that we DO NOT partake in the Plagues that come upon Her. How ironic and how simple it is that those who will not listen to the LIE of the Beast are vaccine free and do not run along into the folly of those who are willingly perishing for not listening to the Truth of the Messiah Yahushua.
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Swine flu deaths in U.S. near 4,000
Niagara County records first fatality
By Henry L. Davis
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November 12, 2009, 10:43 PM / 2 comments

Niagara County reported its first death linked to swine flu Thursday, the same day that federal officials released more-accurate statistics that show the new flu virus killed an estimated 3,900 Americans from April to October.

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention had been estimating 1,200 deaths related to swine flu, which is officially known as H1N1, since the disease emerged in April.

It’s not that the number of swine flu cases suddenly skyrocketed, officials said. Instead, the new estimates reflect a better way of calculating cases.

Elsewhere in Western New York, the Silver Creek Central School District mailed a letter to parents Thursday notifying them of the death earlier in the week of a student, and an Amherst High School sophomore died Nov. 1 when breathing problems developed into pneumonia and sepsis.

It’s not clear if these cases are linked to H1N1, although the symptoms in at least the Amherst case are similar.

Meanwhile, the president of the Buffalo Teachers Federation on Thursday criticized Erie County public health officials for a policy of advocating that students obtain H1N1 vaccinations from their doctors. Public health officials countered that their policy is reasonable and based on sound medical practices.

The Niagara County patient died earlier this week and was described as a “middle-aged” man from the eastern part of the county with underlying health conditions that placed him at higher risk of complications from influenza.

“It’s unfortunate, but we know that this group [people with underlying medical conditions] are more susceptible,” said Daniel J. Stapleton, Niagara County public health director.

The death was attributed to H1N1 based on the man’s symptoms and not confirmatory laboratory tests.

The symptoms of H1N1 are similar to those of regular seasonal flu. Virtually all the flu now in this country is H1N1 and not the seasonal flu, although there are other flu-like viruses that cause many illnesses.

Nationally, in the first six months since the arrival of H1N1, an estimated 22 million Americans became ill with H1N1, 98,000 were hospitalized, and 3,900 died, said Dr. Anne Schuchat, director of the National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Disease.

The revised estimates are based on an improved method for calculating cases. A breakdown by age for the period April to Oct. 17 shows:

È‚Children under 18: 8 million cases, 36,000 hospitalizations, 540 deaths.

È‚Adults 18 to 64: 12 million cases, 53,000 hospitalizations, 2,900 deaths

È‚Adults 65 and older: 2 million cases, 9,000 hospitalizations, 440 deaths.

The figures are much higher than previous estimates. For instance, the CDC last week reported there had been 129 deaths in children since April.

Asked about the public concern the new estimates may evoke, Schuchat said in a televised briefing that nothing had really changed week to week except that the CDC now had a “bigger picture” of the scope of the disease.

“We have a long flu season ahead of us, and projecting out forward is difficult. But we are seeing nowhere near the severity of the 1918 pandemic,” said Schuchat, referring to the influenza pandemic that killed tens of millions of people worldwide.

Complications from seasonal flu annually kill an estimated 36,000 Americans — nearly all of them elderly. What’s different and worrisome about H1N1, is that it is hitting younger people the hardest.

“Flu is very serious, and the vaccine we have is the best method to protect patients,” she said.

The CDC reported it has allocated 41.6 million doses of H1N1 vaccine of the 250 million doses it has purchased. Manufacturing delays have led to a vaccine shortage at the moment H1N1 is sweeping the nation.

The limited supply has created tension. Philip Rumore, president of the Buffalo Teachers Federation, on Thursday criticized Erie County public health officials for a policy of advocating that students obtain H1N1 vaccinations from their doctors.

In a letter to the state last week, Will Keresztes, associate superintendent of Buffalo Public Schools, wrote that the schools’ immunization program is being compromised by the lack of swine flu vaccine.

Erie County requested 400,000 doses of H1N1 vaccine for health care providers based on the number of people considered at higher risk for complications, and only about 61,000 have been delivered.

The concerns prompted Dr. Anthony J. Billittier IV, county health commissioner, to say that mass vaccination clinics at schools and community centers won’t be established until the demand for vaccine from private doctors is met. His comment, in turn, led to Rumore’s request for an immediate investigation of county policy for allocating H1N1 vaccine.

Billittier’s statements “are nothing less than a discriminatory attack on the poor,” said Rumore.

Billittier responded that encouraging residents, including students, to obtain vaccine from private physicians is good medicine and good health policy. “I don’t understand this irrational position that some people have that vaccinating people in mass settings is better than going to their doctors,” he said. Moreover, he said, no child, no matter how poor, should be without a doctor in New York State because of the availability of public health insurance programs that cover children.

“The county should be the provider of last resort. Doctors know their patients. We don’t know them,” Billittier said.

Erie County plans to conduct public swine flu vaccination clinics, but those clinics operate on a first-come, first-served basis and don’t turn away anyone who shows up. “Disadvantaged kids would have to fight their way to the front of the line,” he said.

Stapleton said Niagara County received 4,000 doses of H1N1 flu vaccine this week but is reserving most of it for use at upcoming immunization clinics at schools. Some is being distributed to doctors for use with high-risk patients.

News Niagara Bureau Reporter Thomas J. Prohaska contributed to this report.

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People ... please understand the facts ...

1) My wife has had several miscarriages .... I feel for these women ... However, the fact is the death of the child happens days if not a week or two before the woman actually knows she has miscarried. It takes that long for the hormones to change and the blood to be released.

This is from medical experience as we went in for ultrasounds a few times knowing we were pregnant only to find out that the fetus wasn't alive and was a week or two smaller than we calculated as the baby had died a week before. The actual miscarriage wasn't until a few days later.

So the shot is just a happenstance just like if the women went to workout and then started to have the physical signs of a miscarriage. The actual event that triggered it happened a week before - and we will never really know what caused it.

We actually thought that having sex causes it ... so I guess everyone should stay home in bed with their husband banished to the couch because anything can cause it.

2) 20% of all pregnancies are thought to end in miscarriages ... we just don't know of many of them because they are a part of the regular cycle - only live a few days.


The only way to really know if the shot effects miscarriages is to track a large # of patients and compare it to those of a year ago before the shot. This is what the CDC is doing.



Take your bullshit elsewhere


Should have expected such an intelligent response ... I guess no one wants facts just spin


There is the problem, we are given no facts. We are told to "get the damn vaccine" with an urgency that suggests there are other motives. I've chosen not to have my wife (7 months pregnant) and my 19 month old child not to get it. Now of course, if my wife wants it, she can have it, but she listens to my opinion on the matter.

The biggest problem with the decision is the lack of out right facts about H1N1 and facts about the vaccine. The one fact I do know is that it is risky enough that the government has given the drug companies immunity in regards to being sued over the side effects.

The other problem for the child is they want to give her two shots for this one and two for the regular flu. Well, that's good parenting, just drug up the child with Mercury (a known poision) shots 4 times and hope it all comes out all right, all for the sake of keeping her from getting sick for a week and developing a natural immunity.

For my wife, we do it realize it is dangerous for her, but for the vaccine, it is dangerous and untested as well. And for those who say, yeah these are early miscarriges or their is only 1 case of GBS confirmed so far I ask, how long have people been getting the shot vs how long have people been getting the flu? These are just the first of more to come. How many more? No one knows.

For the person who cried this is fear-mongering: I don't think so. There are no facts about what it will and the MSM will not say a damn thing against the big bad drug companies.
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Here's the problem ... fear of the unknown government cover up. Everything these days are a conspiracy. Don't say there are no facts because there are out there.

Everyone points to Mercury.... here are the facts
1. The single shot doses has no Mercury
2. The spray has no Mercury but shouldn't be given to pregnant women (so do the single shot)
3. Even the shot that comes from a batch has some mercury but less than the mercury you get eating a piece of salmon.
4. Children get autism at the same rate by getting the spray and single shot with no Mercury or other things than with the batch shot ... hence the cause is something else like the salmon.

So for everyone who got ill a few hours after a shot ... there are dozens of more likely scenarios ... but do we point to that piece of salmon?

If you don't believe me, ask your OBGYN for the facts. 4,000 dead ... pregnant women ... children ... most effected ... some with preconditions ... some without.

No one wants their child to have autism ... yet there are many more likely causes for it than the shot. Yet, an actress decided that my child got the shot then I noticed he was sick. So one and one must equal two.

For me, I notice more things after my child has a shot because I watch him for a fever. Yet, those signs may have been there before yet I been too busy to notice.

So please ask a researcher before an actress or me. And, ask the research if he/she is giving their child the vaccine and more often than not, they want their child to have it before them.
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I guess we will know more in about 8 months if there are a lot of deformed babies being born....
that is if the info makes its way to the public.
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I guess we will know more in about 8 months if there are a lot of deformed babies being born....
that is if the info makes its way to the public.
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they wont be obviously deformed.. we will just have more of the 4 A's... allergies.. adhd.. autism and asthma.
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Everyone points to Mercury.... here are the facts
1. The single shot doses has no Mercury it has SOME
2. The spray has no Mercury but shouldn't be given to pregnant women (so do the single shot) right cause its only a weakend form and can cause disease
3. Even the shot that comes from a batch has some mercury but less than the mercury you get eating a piece of salmon.link? how is eating salmon the same as injection ? the salmon has already partially detoxfied it and absorption through the intestine is not very effective
4. Children get autism at the same rate by getting the spray and single shot with no Mercury or other things than with the batch shot ... hence the cause is something else like the salmon.linky poo on that one?

So for everyone who got ill a few hours after a shot ... there are dozens of more likely scenarios ... but do we point to that piece of salmon?

If you don't believe me, ask your OBGYN for the facts. 4,000 dead ... pregnant women ... children ... most effected ... some with preconditions ... some without.

No one wants their child to have autism ... yet there are many more likely causes for it than the shot. Yet, an actress decided that my child got the shot then I noticed he was sick. So one and one must equal two.

For me, I notice more things after my child has a shot because I watch him for a fever. Yet, those signs may have been there before yet I been too busy to notice.

So please ask a researcher before an actress or me. And, ask the research if he/she is giving their child the vaccine and more often than not, they want their child to have it before them.
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People ... please understand the facts ...

1) My wife has had several miscarriages .... I feel for these women ... However, the fact is the death of the child happens days if not a week or two before the woman actually knows she has miscarried. It takes that long for the hormones to change and the blood to be released.

This is from medical experience as we went in for ultrasounds a few times knowing we were pregnant only to find out that the fetus wasn't alive and was a week or two smaller than we calculated as the baby had died a week before. The actual miscarriage wasn't until a few days later.

So the shot is just a happenstance just like if the women went to workout and then started to have the physical signs of a miscarriage. The actual event that triggered it happened a week before - and we will never really know what caused it.

We actually thought that having sex causes it ... so I guess everyone should stay home in bed with their husband banished to the couch because anything can cause it.

2) 20% of all pregnancies are thought to end in miscarriages ... we just don't know of many of them because they are a part of the regular cycle - only live a few days.


The only way to really know if the shot effects miscarriages is to track a large # of patients and compare it to those of a year ago before the shot. This is what the CDC is doing.



Take your bullshit elsewhere


Should have expected such an intelligent response ... I guess no one wants facts just spin


There is the problem, we are given no facts. We are told to "get the damn vaccine" with an urgency that suggests there are other motives. I've chosen not to have my wife (7 months pregnant) and my 19 month old child not to get it. Now of course, if my wife wants it, she can have it, but she listens to my opinion on the matter.

The biggest problem with the decision is the lack of out right facts about H1N1 and facts about the vaccine. The one fact I do know is that it is risky enough that the government has given the drug companies immunity in regards to being sued over the side effects.

The other problem for the child is they want to give her two shots for this one and two for the regular flu. Well, that's good parenting, just drug up the child with Mercury (a known poision) shots 4 times and hope it all comes out all right, all for the sake of keeping her from getting sick for a week and developing a natural immunity.

For my wife, we do it realize it is dangerous for her, but for the vaccine, it is dangerous and untested as well. And for those who say, yeah these are early miscarriges or their is only 1 case of GBS confirmed so far I ask, how long have people been getting the shot vs how long have people been getting the flu? These are just the first of more to come. How many more? No one knows.

For the person who cried this is fear-mongering: I don't think so. There are no facts about what it will and the MSM will not say a damn thing against the big bad drug companies.


Here's the problem ... fear of the unknown government cover up. Everything these days are a conspiracy. Don't say there are no facts because there are out there.

Everyone points to Mercury.... here are the facts
1. The single shot doses has no Mercury
2. The spray has no Mercury but shouldn't be given to pregnant women (so do the single shot)
3. Even the shot that comes from a batch has some mercury but less than the mercury you get eating a piece of salmon.
4. Children get autism at the same rate by getting the spray and single shot with no Mercury or other things than with the batch shot ... hence the cause is something else like the salmon.

So for everyone who got ill a few hours after a shot ... there are dozens of more likely scenarios ... but do we point to that piece of salmon?

If you don't believe me, ask your OBGYN for the facts. 4,000 dead ... pregnant women ... children ... most effected ... some with preconditions ... some without.

No one wants their child to have autism ... yet there are many more likely causes for it than the shot. Yet, an actress decided that my child got the shot then I noticed he was sick. So one and one must equal two.

For me, I notice more things after my child has a shot because I watch him for a fever. Yet, those signs may have been there before yet I been too busy to notice.

So please ask a researcher before an actress or me. And, ask the research if he/she is giving their child the vaccine and more often than not, they want their child to have it before them.
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Never in my life have I just listened to an actress or a random internet poster. And if think I got all my information from a site that loves it's consiparcy theories, you must think I'm nuts.

Anyway, your facts are what is fed you. The other facts, the admit they don't know. They have no idea the effect on the fetus or young children. Let me repeat THEY HAVE NO IDEA.

As for the Salmon referenece, I would hope you are smart enough to realize there is a diffence between eating something and shooting something directly in to the blood stream. Ingesting the Salmon, the chemical will have to pass through a lot to get to the blood stream and not all of it is making it there. A better thought about this might be why don't Heroin users just eat it, instead of injecting it?

Okay, let's explore the 4000 dead; out of how many? 22 million the CDC quoted yesterday. That is less then .02% and most had underlying conditions. We won't know for a while what the vaccine will do, and with out any testing, neither DO THEY!

As for our OBGYN, he has yet to give a reccomendation and I asked specifically the question. He said he would likely recommend it, but at the time he is waiting for more information.

On other note on Vaccines - while I don't like them, my daughter is up to date on her other shots. You know the ones that have been around for years. The only thing we do different is spread them out so she isn't getting so many at once. Sure it's causing a bigger carbon footprint for the global warming folks, but it is hopefully a little safer then jacking her full of the stuff.

I just have a huge problem with an untested vaccine. Especially when the last time it was used, it caused more damage then the flu.
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Everyone points to Mercury.... here are the facts
1. The single shot doses has no Mercury it has SOME
2. The spray has no Mercury but shouldn't be given to pregnant women (so do the single shot) right cause its only a weakend form and can cause disease
3. Even the shot that comes from a batch has some mercury but less than the mercury you get eating a piece of salmon.link? how is eating salmon the same as injection ? the salmon has already partially detoxfied it and absorption through the intestine is not very effective
4. Children get autism at the same rate by getting the spray and single shot with no Mercury or other things than with the batch shot ... hence the cause is something else like the salmon.linky poo on that one?

So for everyone who got ill a few hours after a shot ... there are dozens of more likely scenarios ... but do we point to that piece of salmon?

If you don't believe me, ask your OBGYN for the facts. 4,000 dead ... pregnant women ... children ... most effected ... some with preconditions ... some without.

No one wants their child to have autism ... yet there are many more likely causes for it than the shot.Like What for instance? Yet, an actress decided that my child got the shot then I noticed he was sick. So one and one must equal two. uh huh

For me, I notice more things after my child has a shot because I watch him for a fever. Yet, those signs may have been there before yet I been too busy to notice.righty-o.. or maybe exacerbated from the shots?

So please ask a researcher before an actress or me. And, ask the research if he/she is giving their child the vaccine and more often than not, they want their child to have it before them. so it must be good.

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Yes... a bunch of random internet commenters on about.com qualify as a valid statistical causation...

Well, here's some statistics (that you'll all promptly ignore): LOW end estimates suggest that as many as 10% of pregnancies end in miscarriage. 1 in 10 pregnancies end in miscarriage. Huh. Seems like one in ten pregnant women who get the vaccine will likely miscarry...spooky.

Did you guys also know that there is a significant correlation between ice cream consumed and shark attacks?
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Yes... a bunch of random internet commenters on about.com qualify as a valid statistical causation...

Well, here's some statistics (that you'll all promptly ignore): LOW end estimates suggest that as many as 10% of pregnancies end in miscarriage. 1 in 10 pregnancies end in miscarriage. Huh. Seems like one in ten pregnant women who get the vaccine will likely miscarry...spooky.

Did you guys also know that there is a significant correlation between ice cream consumed and shark attacks?
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Where are you getting your info? It's 10% in the first 3-6 weeks. 5% 6-12 and then down to 3% or less after that. Now it high the first week 1 or 2, but most women don't know they are pregnant anyway. So for these women, they fell in the 3 to 5% range. And I don't think it is valid statistics at all, and I don't think they are lying. It seems like there is a possibility that the vaccine did cause the problem, or at least accelerate one. Of course no one really knows because the drug hasn't been tested yet. It's just a broad scale test on the population of earth.

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The only way to really know if the shot effects miscarriages is to track a large # of patients and compare it to those of a year ago before the shot. This is what the CDC is doing.




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I see from a number of posts that the brainwashing program has been entirely successful in a number of cases.


Sad.


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Developments in the Biosciences:
Recent Scientific and Technological Advances
and the Proliferation of Biological Weapons

December 18, 2006

...some of the specific areas regarding non-infectious agents in which such advances might be turned towards the development of a weapon.


•An anti-fertility vaccine.

A contraceptive vaccine was first developed in India in the 1980s, and this approach to birth control is now under investigation in many research centers.

The concept behind such a vaccine is to elicit the formation of antibodies against a particular essential hormone (e.g., human choriogonadotropin (hCG), a sperm antigen, or component on the surface of the human ovum), resulting in the destruction of the mature egg.

The duration of such immunization depends on the system used, but strategies are available that would significantly reduce fertility during a woman's reproductive years, possibly with a single vaccination.

Many consider the use of such a vaccine unethical and its potential use as a weapon of genocide has been noted. The vaccines thus far tested have been administered by injection, on a voluntary basis.

However, new developments in vaccine delivery through a nasal spray or oral administration raise the possibility that such an agent could be administered clandestinely, against the will or even knowledge of the recipients.

The use of such a weapon would not be the usual dramatic killing of many individuals in a single event or over a short period of time. Rather this would result in an insidious drop in birth rate, which would not only be devastatingly demoralizing in most cultures but lead, over time, to a drastic reduction of the affected population.


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Here are links ....

[link to www.cdc.gov]

[link to www.realage.com]
(by Dr. Oz and Dr. Roizen)
Myth: There are high amounts of mercury in the swine flu and seasonal flu vaccines.
Truth: Multiple-dose vials of these vaccines do contain the mercury-based preservative thimerosal. But the amount is tiny. A single dose delivers about 28 micrograms of mercury, same as a small tuna sandwich. And while the tuna has methyl mercury, the type that accumulates in your bloodstream and has been linked to nervous-system damage, the type in thimerosal is ethyl mercury, which, studies suggest, is eliminated from your body relatively swiftly.

Yes, the swine flu shot has thimerosal, but thimerosal has been removed from virtually all other vaccines for kids under the age of 6 and for many vaccines given to older kids and adults, too. If you're still concerned about it, some thimerosal-free versions of both vaccines will be available this fall and winter in single-dose vials, prefilled syringes, or "mist" versions that are inhaled instead of injected. But if you can't find one, go with the regular thimerosal-containing type. Don't die while trying to avoid a tuna sandwich's worth of mercury.
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But I guess that government and doctor links are no good ... So, you better hide tonight because everyone is out to get you ... including the boogieman ...

And to that point where are your links other than from the fringe elements that say it is so because an actresses that plays a doctor on TV says so ... I guess they are more truthful than a researcher...

Everyone points to Mercury.... here are the facts
1. The single shot doses has no Mercury it has SOME
2. The spray has no Mercury but shouldn't be given to pregnant women (so do the single shot) right cause its only a weakend form and can cause disease
3. Even the shot that comes from a batch has some mercury but less than the mercury you get eating a piece of salmon.link? how is eating salmon the same as injection ? the salmon has already partially detoxfied it and absorption through the intestine is not very effective
4. Children get autism at the same rate by getting the spray and single shot with no Mercury or other things than with the batch shot ... hence the cause is something else like the salmon.linky poo on that one?

So for everyone who got ill a few hours after a shot ... there are dozens of more likely scenarios ... but do we point to that piece of salmon?

If you don't believe me, ask your OBGYN for the facts. 4,000 dead ... pregnant women ... children ... most effected ... some with preconditions ... some without.

No one wants their child to have autism ... yet there are many more likely causes for it than the shot.Like What for instance? Yet, an actress decided that my child got the shot then I noticed he was sick. So one and one must equal two. uh huh

For me, I notice more things after my child has a shot because I watch him for a fever. Yet, those signs may have been there before yet I been too busy to notice.righty-o.. or maybe exacerbated from the shots?

So please ask a researcher before an actress or me. And, ask the research if he/she is giving their child the vaccine and more often than not, they want their child to have it before them. so it must be good.


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this Linda Moulton Howe is an obvious sleeper agent. with all of these accolades, and all of this pseudo science bullshit new age research, and all of these haughty institutions endorsing her, even this very wikipedia entry i am citing below about her is a transparent puff piece, connecting her to unicef and the emmys and every other illuminati media scheme. she's a fraud and she is going to do a bunch of insane defending of the vaccine.

HER EXPLANATION OF WHY PREGNANT WOMEN SHOULD BE FIRST IN LINE FOR VACCINATION IS STRAIGHT UP GARBAGE. GARBAGE !!! Your original instinct was right.

Anyhow, look at the festooned medals on the chest of this Mossad freak !





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You are absolutely right. I believe she's a mind controlled monarch. She's nothing more than an Illuminati tool. Her tight relationship with Whitely Strieber should be red flag for anyone.
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The RISK is no big deal when it isn't your baby or son or daughter destroyed for life from a toxic vaccine.

You G-D damn pharmaceutical shills and doctors and nurses will rot in hell for what you have done and continue to do.

STOP SUPPORTING THEM, JUST SAY NO.

The only reason they get away with this shit is because people are so easily manipulated. Send every article and every video you can get your hands on to all your friends and family.
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A coworker was telling me last night that her cousin was pregnant, got the swine flu shot, and miscarried a few days later. The doctors told her that it was not the shot, it was a problem with the baby, that it had a genetic defect.



Maybe they are afraid of getting sued? And how many doctors get a kickback from giving vaccinations??? We DON'T know
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According to new laws, they can not be sued for any vaccine related problems.
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Here are links ....

[link to www.cdc.gov]

[link to www.realage.com]
(by Dr. Oz and Dr. Roizen)
Myth: There are high amounts of mercury in the swine flu and seasonal flu vaccines.
Truth: Multiple-dose vials of these vaccines do contain the mercury-based preservative thimerosal. But the amount is tiny. A single dose delivers about 28 micrograms of mercury, same as a small tuna sandwich. And while the tuna has methyl mercury, the type that accumulates in your bloodstream and has been linked to nervous-system damage, the type in thimerosal is ethyl mercury, which, studies suggest, is eliminated from your body relatively swiftly.

Yes, the swine flu shot has thimerosal, but thimerosal has been removed from virtually all other vaccines for kids under the age of 6 and for many vaccines given to older kids and adults, too. If you're still concerned about it, some thimerosal-free versions of both vaccines will be available this fall and winter in single-dose vials, prefilled syringes, or "mist" versions that are inhaled instead of injected. But if you can't find one, go with the regular thimerosal-containing type. Don't die while trying to avoid a tuna sandwich's worth of mercury.
----------------------------------------------------

But I guess that government and doctor links are no good ... So, you better hide tonight because everyone is out to get you ... including the boogieman ...

And to that point where are your links other than from the fringe elements that say it is so because an actresses that plays a doctor on TV says so ... I guess they are more truthful than a researcher...





Everyone points to Mercury.... here are the facts
1. The single shot doses has no Mercury it has SOME
2. The spray has no Mercury but shouldn't be given to pregnant women (so do the single shot) right cause its only a weakend form and can cause disease
3. Even the shot that comes from a batch has some mercury but less than the mercury you get eating a piece of salmon.link? how is eating salmon the same as injection ? the salmon has already partially detoxfied it and absorption through the intestine is not very effective
4. Children get autism at the same rate by getting the spray and single shot with no Mercury or other things than with the batch shot ... hence the cause is something else like the salmon.linky poo on that one?

So for everyone who got ill a few hours after a shot ... there are dozens of more likely scenarios ... but do we point to that piece of salmon?

If you don't believe me, ask your OBGYN for the facts. 4,000 dead ... pregnant women ... children ... most effected ... some with preconditions ... some without.

No one wants their child to have autism ... yet there are many more likely causes for it than the shot.Like What for instance? Yet, an actress decided that my child got the shot then I noticed he was sick. So one and one must equal two. uh huh

For me, I notice more things after my child has a shot because I watch him for a fever. Yet, those signs may have been there before yet I been too busy to notice.righty-o.. or maybe exacerbated from the shots?

So please ask a researcher before an actress or me. And, ask the research if he/she is giving their child the vaccine and more often than not, they want their child to have it before them. so it must be good.



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Ever wonder why they took the Mercury out of shots? There is no link to autism with it, so why do it? It wasn't hurting anything.
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People ... please understand the facts ...

1) My wife has had several miscarriages .... I feel for these women ... However, the fact is the death of the child happens days if not a week or two before the woman actually knows she has miscarried. It takes that long for the hormones to change and the blood to be released.

This is from medical experience as we went in for ultrasounds a few times knowing we were pregnant only to find out that the fetus wasn't alive and was a week or two smaller than we calculated as the baby had died a week before. The actual miscarriage wasn't until a few days later.

So the shot is just a happenstance just like if the women went to workout and then started to have the physical signs of a miscarriage. The actual event that triggered it happened a week before - and we will never really know what caused it.

We actually thought that having sex causes it ... so I guess everyone should stay home in bed with their husband banished to the couch because anything can cause it.

2) 20% of all pregnancies are thought to end in miscarriages ... we just don't know of many of them because they are a part of the regular cycle - only live a few days.


The only way to really know if the shot effects miscarriages is to track a large # of patients and compare it to those of a year ago before the shot. This is what the CDC is doing.



Take your bullshit elsewhere


Should have expected such an intelligent response ... I guess no one wants facts just spin


There is the problem, we are given no facts. We are told to "get the damn vaccine" with an urgency that suggests there are other motives. I've chosen not to have my wife (7 months pregnant) and my 19 month old child not to get it. Now of course, if my wife wants it, she can have it, but she listens to my opinion on the matter.

The biggest problem with the decision is the lack of out right facts about H1N1 and facts about the vaccine. The one fact I do know is that it is risky enough that the government has given the drug companies immunity in regards to being sued over the side effects.

The other problem for the child is they want to give her two shots for this one and two for the regular flu. Well, that's good parenting, just drug up the child with Mercury (a known poision) shots 4 times and hope it all comes out all right, all for the sake of keeping her from getting sick for a week and developing a natural immunity.

For my wife, we do it realize it is dangerous for her, but for the vaccine, it is dangerous and untested as well. And for those who say, yeah these are early miscarriges or their is only 1 case of GBS confirmed so far I ask, how long have people been getting the shot vs how long have people been getting the flu? These are just the first of more to come. How many more? No one knows.

For the person who cried this is fear-mongering: I don't think so. There are no facts about what it will and the MSM will not say a damn thing against the big bad drug companies.
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It reqires more than one shot to sterilize.

Contamination and mass population reductions aside, though, FLU VACCINES DO NOT WORK, ANYWAY. There is ZERO evidence that flu vaccines work. Never has has been. It's a pharma money maker.





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