You are foolish and you are wrong, you do not know history and you are very smug!


Sure I know history. Can you present anything at all or just insults? You know like a link to someones writings? Anything? Or is this your speculation?

Yes, I am glad you asked, here you are
Be aware these saints were not aware that they were the ones spoken of in these passages they were quoting!
This is a small portion of a sermon given on the Mayflower , Please refer to

Revelation 12:13-17

13 Now when the dragon saw that he had been cast to the earth, he persecuted the woman who gave birth to the male Child. 14 But the woman was given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness to her place, where she is nourished for a time and times and half a time, from the presence of the serpent. 15 So the serpent spewed water out of his mouth like a flood after the woman, that he might cause her to be carried away by the flood. 16 But the earth helped the woman, and the earth opened its mouth and swallowed up the flood which the dragon had spewed out of his mouth. 17 And the dragon was enraged with the woman, and he went to make war with the rest of her offspring, who keep the commandments of God and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

Note: TURKISH = ISLAM POPISH= THE CATHOLIC CHURCH....both were persecuting the christians throughout Europe


And if it should please God to punish his people in the Christian countries of
Europe, (for their coldness, carnality, wanton abuse of the gospel, contention, etc.) either
by Turkish slavery, or by popish tyranny which God forbid, yet if the time be come, or
shall come (as who knoweth) when Satan shall be let loose to cast out his floods against
them, (Rev. 12,14,15) here is a way opened for such as have wings to fly into this
wilderness; and as by the dispersion of the Jewish church through persecution, the Lord
brought in the fullness of the gentiles, (Acts 11:20,21) so who knoweth, whether now by
tyranny and affliction, he suffereth to come upon them, he will not by little and little


Sorry but the bible does not cut it for me. It's too open to interpretation. I'll give you an A for effort but I can't agree. I don't see it.

So I'm going to totally disagree and say you're still wrong. The pilgrims ran from the controlling religion of the country, which was not Islam.

They did not agree with the law the forced them to follow the Church of England. End of story...

WHAT DO THE WORDS ( TURKISH SLAVERY MEAN TO YOU )? Who do you think the OTTOMAN EMPIRE WAS?