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Professor advises underwater homeowners to walk away from mortgages

 
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Professor advises underwater homeowners to walk away from mortgages
Professor advises underwater homeowners to walk away from mortgages

Brent T. White, a University of Arizona law school professor, says that it's in the homeowners' best financial interest to stiff their lenders and that it's not immoral to do so.

November 29, 2009 - L.A. Times - excerpt

" Go ahead. Break the chains. Stop paying on your mortgage if you owe more than the house is worth. And most important: Don't feel guilty about it. Don't think you're doing something morally wrong. That's the incendiary core message of a new academic paper by Brent T. White, a University of Arizona law school professor, titled "Underwater and Not Walking Away: Shame, Fear and the Social Management of the Housing Crisis." White contends that far more of the estimated 15 million U.S. homeowners who are underwater on their mortgages should stiff their lenders and take a hike. Doing so, he suggests, could save some of them hundreds of thousands of dollars that they "have no reasonable prospect of recouping" in the years ahead. Plus the penalties are nowhere near as painful or long-lasting as they might assume, he says.

"Homeowners should be walking away in droves," White said. "But they aren't. And it's not because the financial costs of foreclosure outweigh the benefits."

Sure, credit scores get whacked when you walk away, he acknowledges. But as long as you stay current with other creditors, "one can have a good credit rating again -- meaning above 660 -- within two years after a foreclosure." Better yet, homeowners can default "strategically": Buy all the major items they'll need for the next couple of years -- a new car, even a new house -- just before they pull the plug on their current mortgage lender.

"Most individuals should be able to plan in advance for a few years of limited credit," White said, with minimal disruptions to their lifestyles.

The main point, he said, is that too often people's emotions get in the way of clear financial thinking about mortgages, turning them into what he calls "woodheads" -- "individuals who choose not to act in their own self-interest." Most owners are too worried about feelings of shame and embarrassment after a foreclosure, and ignore the powerful financial reasons for doing so. Buttressing these emotions is a system that White labels "the social control of the housing crisis" -- pressures and messages continually sent to consumers by the "social control agents," namely banks, government and the media. The mantra that these agents -- all the way up to President Obama -- pound into owners' heads, White said, is that "voluntarily defaulting on a mortgage is immoral."

Yet there is an inherent imbalance in the borrower-lender relationship that makes this morality message unfair to consumers, White says: Banks set the rules during the housing boom, handing out home loans with no down payments, no income checks and inflated appraisals. Now that property values have dropped 20% to 50% in many areas, banks have been slow to modify troubled mortgages and reluctant to reduce principal debts.

Only when homeowners cut through the emotional fog and default strategically in large numbers, White argues, will this inequitable situation be seriously addressed."

[link to www.latimes.com]
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Shouldn't they be swimming away? :D
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Shouldn't they be swimming away? :D
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chuckle
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if you are underwater and in an area where the prices are expected to go down...its may be a wise move to walk away or threaten too.

I have been giving some thought to talk to BOA and offer them two choices...lower my interest rate to say 4.75 lower my loan ammount by a certain amount or walk away

I can buy something cheaper locally anyways
"When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves, in the course of time, a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that glorifies it."
- Frédéric Bastiat

food, water, ammo, weapons, battery back up solar, hand well pump, wood stove and 1 year of food...oh yeah PM's too...good luck
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Don't just walk away too quick. Many (banks, mortgage companies) aren't even following through with their foreclosure threats, if they did, they would have to show the "toxic asset", so people are currently walking away, yet nothing ever happens to the home. I know of people that have been in pre-foreclosure for over a year, even an entire neighborhood in Florida. What they need top do is just quit paying, put that money aside, and you'd be surprised at how long they will be able to continue living there. That's one of the reasons that we are just seeing the beginning of this - it's even worse than we are being lead to believe by the MSM and banks. Me thinks that they are going keep playing this out as long as they can while they continue to pillage. Nothing serious will happen til at least after Christmas so that they have a chance to get even more of the sheepl's $$.
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Don't just walk away too quick. Many (banks, mortgage companies) aren't even following through with their foreclosure threats, if they did, they would have to show the "toxic asset", so people are currently walking away, yet nothing ever happens to the home. I know of people that have been in pre-foreclosure for over a year, even an entire neighborhood in Florida. What they need top do is just quit paying, put that money aside, and you'd be surprised at how long they will be able to continue living there. That's one of the reasons that we are just seeing the beginning of this - it's even worse than we are being lead to believe by the MSM and banks. Me thinks that they are going keep playing this out as long as they can while they continue to pillage. Nothing serious will happen til at least after Christmas so that they have a chance to get even more of the sheepl's $$.
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thats what I have been hearing...if you lose your job, the payments should automatically stop

after all, the job was the requirement for funding...no job no payment
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- Frédéric Bastiat

food, water, ammo, weapons, battery back up solar, hand well pump, wood stove and 1 year of food...oh yeah PM's too...good luck
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Don't just walk away too quick. Many (banks, mortgage companies) aren't even following through with their foreclosure threats, if they did, they would have to show the "toxic asset", so people are currently walking away, yet nothing ever happens to the home. I know of people that have been in pre-foreclosure for over a year, even an entire neighborhood in Florida. What they need top do is just quit paying, put that money aside, and you'd be surprised at how long they will be able to continue living there. That's one of the reasons that we are just seeing the beginning of this - it's even worse than we are being lead to believe by the MSM and banks. Me thinks that they are going keep playing this out as long as they can while they continue to pillage. Nothing serious will happen til at least after Christmas so that they have a chance to get even more of the sheepl's $$.



thats what I have been hearing...if you lose your job, the payments should automatically stop

after all, the job was the requirement for funding...no job no payment
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interesting concept-may be the first intelligent thing i have ever seen you write.
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law school professor=attorney=member of bar. either this is intentional manipulation or he didn't, but is about to, get the memo. i do agree though, walking away makes sense for so many, especially the ones that bought at the end of the bubble. the thing most people don't realize is that the new construction built during this time is essentailly disposable housing anyway as the quality of materials and workmanship is horrible-just another reason to walk away when upside down on deathnote.
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Re: Professor advises underwater homeowners to walk away from mortgages
This is what I am in the process of doing.

I tried to sell the house and even had a serious buyer. I told him to go to the bank and see if he could assume the current loan.

The assholes told him to just wait until it was in foreclosure and he could buy it for pennies on the dollar! I wonder if it is legal for them to give that kind of advice.

Anyway, I got my first threatening letter from the bank. Said they would tell the credit bureau I was behind on a payment.

Nice people, those banksters.
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Re: Professor advises underwater homeowners to walk away from mortgages
A professor advises what?
Homeowners need to buy a legal dictionary and study their mortgage documents to understand what they are dealing with.

A mortgage is a dead pledge the homeowner is giving Fanny Mae, that allows Fanny Mae to turn homeowners credit into 'cash' so Fanny Mae can invest it.

Homeowner makes deposits to Fanny mae to cover the amount of credit the homeowner unknowingly allowed Fanny Mae to turn into cash.

Either credit or cash...neither has value until the homeowner works to create it.
That's what the dead pledge (mortgage) is really abut...Fanny Mae investing in homeowners credit.
Fiat currency is commercial paper..it has no value until we work to *create* the value using our time energy and labor.

The promissory note and mortgage are mixed together making it look like the mortgage was necessary to purchase a house but wasnt.


House is purchased with credit using homeonwers first Promissory Note.


The second Note, the mortgage, is the homeowners pledge of credit to Fanny Mae.

Fanny Mae turns homeowners credit into cash for fanny Mae to invest,
Homeowner is charged interest on fiat currency that has no value
(Don ald, Donny boy)
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Wow!!





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