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Anonymous Coward User ID: 785071 United States 12/24/2009 07:39 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I think the shroud of turin gives us an indication of what he looks like. [link to www.savemenowjesus.com] The Old Testament does say that the Messiah was not supposed to be especially handsome....right? |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 848680 United States 12/24/2009 07:48 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Jesus is what you perceive Him to be. Nothing more. Nothing less. Looks are not important. It's His teachings that are important. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 549392No Jesus is a historical reality, time to put away your myths- Merry CHRISTmas i agree. in reality it's indeed all about his teachings and having a correct (biblical) perception of who he is. his appearance is futile, for as he himself said, "the flesh counts for nothing". however, we can look into this intriguing aspect without any hypocrisy. as one of the posters said above me, the old testament implies jesus is the "fairest" creature in the whole universe - far better looking than even the angels, for he is god in a body - the epitome of physical perfection. even in his humble state on this planet 2,000 years ago he was incredibly attractive. i cannot imagine his radiance now that he is glorified in the highest heavens. but as the tiberius/ceasar letter said, he had a "celestial" aspect about him. this would seem to make perfect sense! "You are from below, I am from above. You are from this world, I am not from this world." -Jesus |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 848853 South Africa 12/24/2009 07:58 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I think the shroud of turin gives us an indication of what he looks like. [link to www.savemenowjesus.com] Quoting: Anonymous Coward 785071The Old Testament does say that the Messiah was not supposed to be especially handsome....right? >>The Old Testament does say that the Messiah was not supposed to be especially handsome....right<<< Wrong, it says just the opposite. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 848789 Germany 12/24/2009 07:59 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Just use basic common sense. The most famous figures from his era are all described accurately, even depicted, or immortalized in sculpture. Why no Christ? You would think that a white jew with supernatural powers would be elevated to superstar status right? After all, white jews are very proud of white jews. The story writes itself. He was a Negro. This is why he was both killed, and almost erased from history. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 754536 United States 12/24/2009 08:02 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Just use basic common sense. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 848789The most famous figures from his era are all described accurately, even depicted, or immortalized in sculpture. Why no Christ? You would think that a white jew with supernatural powers would be elevated to superstar status right? After all, white jews are very proud of white jews. The story writes itself. He was a Negro. This is why he was both killed, and almost erased from history. A negro jew... I remember that joke, it's hilarious. Sammy....Sammy.....zatjew? LOL!!!!!! |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 848789 Germany 12/24/2009 08:04 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Was Jesus Christ a Negro? A Rationalistic Review by John G. Jackson (1933) "That an imaginative and superstitious race of black men should have invented and founded, in the dim obscurity of past ages, a system of religious belief that still enthralls the minds and clouds the intellects of the leading representatives of modern theology—that still clings to the thoughts and tinges with its potential influence the literature and faith of the civilized and cultured nations of Europe and America, is indeed a strange illustration of the mad caprice of destiny, of the insignificant and apparently trivial causes that oft produce the most grave and momentous results." Eckler A little over a half century ago Kersey Graves created quite a furor in the orthodox religious circles by writing a book which flaunted the sensational title of The World's 16 Crucified Saviors. One of the most interesting parts of the book is a section in which the author discusses the racial identity of Jesus and offers evidence that the Christian Savior was a black man. The passage referred to reads as follows: There is as much evidence that the Christian Savior was a black man, or at least a dark man, as there is of his being the son of the Virgin Mary, or that he once lived and moved upon the earth. And that evidence is the testimony of his disciples, who had nearly as good an opportunity of knowing what his complexion was as the evangelists who omit to say anything about it. In pictures and portraits of Christ by the early Christians he is uniformly represented as being black. To make this more certain a red tinge is given to the lips; and the only test in the Christian bible quoted by orthodox Christians as describing his complexion represents it as being black. Solomon's declaration, I am black, but comely, O ye daughters of Jerusalem' (Sol, I, 5), is often cited as referring to Christ. According to the bible itself, then, Jesus Christ was a black man. Let us suppose that at some future time he makes his second advent to the earth, as some Christians anticipate he will do, and that he comes in the character of a sable messiah, how would he be received by our Negro hating Christians of sensitive olfactory nerves. Would they worship a Negro God? The question might arise in the mind of the reader: "Well, the argument of Kersey Graves sounds plausible enough, but really we need a great deal more corroborative evidence before we can give his conclusions more than palling notice?" This question, the writer believes, is justified. In questions of historical controversy only the most careful consideration of evidence should satisfy us. To say that the early pictures and images of the Virgin Mary and the infant Jesus represent them with black complexions is not enough. Our statement must be backed up by archaeological evidence. This evidence, fortunately, was collected by the Great British Orientalist, Sir Godfrey Higgins, and has been preserved for posterity in his monumental work, The Anacalypsis, or An Inquiry into the Origin of Languages, Nations and Religions. Sir Godfrey Higgins informs us that "In all the Romish (Catholic) countries of Europe, France, Italy, Germany, etc., the God Christ, as well as his mother, are described in their old pictures to be black. The infant God in the arms of his black mother, his eyes and drapery white, is himself perfectly black. If the reader doubts my word he may go to the Cathedral at Moulins—to the famous Chapel of the Virgin at Loretto—to the Church of the Annunciata—the Church at St. Lazaro or the Church of St. Stephen at Genoa—to St. Francisco at Pisa—to the Church at Brixen in Tyrol and to that at Padua—to the Church of St. Theodore at Munich—to a church and to the Cathedral at Augsburg, where a black virgin and child as large as life—to Rome and the Borghese chapel of Maria Maggiore—to the Pantheon—to a small chapel of St. Peters on the right hand side on entering, near the door; and in fact, to almost innumerable other churches in countries professing the Romish religion. "There is scarcely an old church in Italy where some remains of the worship of the black virgin and black child are not to be met with. Very often the black figures have given way to white ones and in these cases the black ones, as being held sacred, were put into retired places in the churches, but were not destroyed, and are yet to be found there… "When the circumstance has been named to the Romish priests they have endeavored to disguise the fact by pretending that the child had become black by the smoke of candles; but it was black where the smoke of a candle never came and, besides, how came the candles not to blacken the white of the eyes, the teeth and the shirt, and to redden the lips? Their real blackness is not to be questioned. "… A black virgin and child among the white Germans, Swiss, French and Italians" (The Anacalypsis, Vol. I, Book IV, Chap. I). My friend, Mr. J.A. Rogers, the well-known traveler and journalist, has seen quite a large number of these black images of the Madonna and infant in his European travels and has discovered that some of the images possess African features. Evidently early Christians must have thought that Jesus Christ was a member of the Ethiopian race or they would not have so stressed the dark hue of the skin of the Savior and his mother in their pictures and statues. According to Christian dogma, Jesus is the Son of God. Since children are, as a rule, similar in complexion to their parents it is reasonable to assume that God also is black. This conclusion is both logical and scientific. "There is a strong reason the think," declares Joseph McCabe, "that man was at first very dark of skin, wooly haired and flat nosed." And since the bible tells us that man was created in God's image, then beyond all doubt God must be of dark complexion with unmistakably African features. Some of my friends have suggested that should it be generally believed in these United States that either Jesus or Jehovah was of sable hue that the Christian church would soon go out of business. They reason that white citizens of the nation, on account of race prejudice, would have absolutely no use for a black God: and the colored citizens would not have any confidence in an Ethiopian God who had so long neglected his own race of people. However, I do not think such a situation will come to pass, for the overwhelming majority of people do not believe what is plausible or what is true; they believe what is comforting or pleasing. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 848789 Germany 12/24/2009 08:06 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Just use basic common sense. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 754536The most famous figures from his era are all described accurately, even depicted, or immortalized in sculpture. Why no Christ? You would think that a white jew with supernatural powers would be elevated to superstar status right? After all, white jews are very proud of white jews. The story writes itself. He was a Negro. This is why he was both killed, and almost erased from history. A negro jew... I remember that joke, it's hilarious. Sammy....Sammy.....zatjew? LOL!!!!!! The first non-black race to claim Judea as their home (at the expense of its inhabitants) were Babylonians in 580BC. This means the original Hebrews were blacks. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 848750 United States 12/24/2009 08:10 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Just use basic common sense. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 848789The most famous figures from his era are all described accurately, even depicted, or immortalized in sculpture. Why no Christ? You would think that a white jew with supernatural powers would be elevated to superstar status right? After all, white jews are very proud of white jews. The story writes itself. He was a Negro. This is why he was both killed, and almost erased from history. A negro jew... I remember that joke, it's hilarious. Sammy....Sammy.....zatjew? LOL!!!!!! The first non-black race to claim Judea as their home (at the expense of its inhabitants) were Babylonians in 580BC. This means the original Hebrews were blacks. You have ONE advantage over me.....you can kiss my ass and I can't!! |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 848789 Germany 12/24/2009 08:12 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Just use basic common sense. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 848750The most famous figures from his era are all described accurately, even depicted, or immortalized in sculpture. Why no Christ? You would think that a white jew with supernatural powers would be elevated to superstar status right? After all, white jews are very proud of white jews. The story writes itself. He was a Negro. This is why he was both killed, and almost erased from history. A negro jew... I remember that joke, it's hilarious. Sammy....Sammy.....zatjew? LOL!!!!!! The first non-black race to claim Judea as their home (at the expense of its inhabitants) were Babylonians in 580BC. This means the original Hebrews were blacks. You have ONE advantage over me.....you can kiss my ass and I can't!! Advantage is the wrong word. |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 549392 United States 12/24/2009 08:13 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | [link to www.gnosticorderofchrist.org] The Baptism is a Universal Initiation of Commitment to The Spiritual Path of the Great Way that we all eventually find and follow. The Baptism of The Gnostic Order of Christ may be received by any person of any path. We recognize that ultimately, All Paths lead to The One Way. In the Gnostic tradition, the Baptism is recognized and administered as The First of "The Great Initiations". During the Baptism we use both water and oil. The water is used for purification; the oil is used to anoint one and initiate the descent of the Christ Light. In the Gnostic Tradition, the Baptism is used to initiate the process of the Christing of one's Soul on a conscious level. The Christ Light is the Light of God. In Greek, Light is referred to as phos: radiant energy. Phos is the Light of Enlightenment and refers to the power of understanding, especially of moral and spiritual truth. In great works of art the halos around the heads of the Saints symbolize the radiant energy of ones deemed to have attained Enlightenment. The Gnostic Baptism is sometimes called The Cosmic Baptism, The Baptism of Light, or The Baptism of Fire. In one form or another, the Initiation takes place at sometime during one's life, no matter what Path one may follow, either in another ritual form or subconsciously. The formal ceremony of the Gnostic Baptism is an opportunity to experience your personal commitment to The Spiritual Path, consciously. The Western term for The Great Light is Christ. The English term Christ derives from the Greek word Christos. The term Christos means "anointed". Anointed comes from the Hebrew word meshiach translated in English, messiah; thus Messiah and Christ are in the sense of an individual interchangeable. In the Gnostic Baptism ceremony, one is anointed with oil and blessed by a Priest. We call upon the presence of Christ Jesus and the Blessed Mary. In this ceremony, Jesus and Mary are the channels through which we receive our Spiritual Grace; we address Jesus and Mary as universal models of wisdom, love and compassion; they are friends, guides, and companions who we may call upon, whose spirits of wisdom, love, and compassion remain available to us through the Spiritual Realms. We recognize Jesus and Mary as Great Teachers and Saints: Mediators of the Presence of God, The Christ Light: The Christ Consciousness, and The Holy Spirit, for the Earth and All of its people, no matter what race, faith, age or gender. We seek their presence,as Mediators of the Divine and Sacred, as beings who have gone before us on The Spiritual Path; as beings who have attained Christ Consciousness who when called upon, come forth to assist, guide and bless us on our Spiritual Journey. In the picture to the right, the Annunciation, Mary is shown receiving of the Holy Spirit. The Annunciation represents the opening of the Soul to receive of the Christ Light. The Annunciation represents the awakening of the Soul to the higher consciousness of the Christ within; the Annunciation defines beginning of the conscious path to becoming Christed. The Annunciation represents the time during which Mary opened to receive of the Christ more fully. Every Soul experiences this Awakening when stepping upon the Spiritual Path. The Awakening is also called The Great Call. The receiving of purification by water is an opening to receive a cleansing of the Soul through an act of conscious will. Following, the descent of the Holy Spirit occurs when one is anointed and opens to receive of the Christ Light. This experience may be seen in regards to Jesus in the writings of the Gospel of Mark. First, Jesus was cleansed by a Baptism of Water. Following, the Holy Spirit descended, symbolized by the form of a Dove. The Dove symbolizes The Great Peace and the Fire of Gnosis or knowledge that which releases us from all that is not of the Holy Essence of God. This descension of the Holy Spirit brings to us the Wisdom needed to live as a life of Love, and Compassion. The Soul is Christed; it is filled with the Light of Christ. The story of Jesus' Baptism is the story of his purification and of his receiving the Christ Light: Enlightenment. KJV Mark 1-11: 1 The beginning of the gospel of Jesus Christ, the Son of God; 2 As it is written in the prophets, Behold, I send my messenger before thy face, which shall prepare thy way before thee. 3 The voice of one crying in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the Lord, make his paths straight. 4 John did baptize in the wilderness, and preach the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins. 5 And there went out unto him all the land of Judaea, and they of Jerusalem, and were all baptized of him in the river of Jordan, confessing their sins. 6 And John was clothed with camel's hair, and with a girdle of a skin about his loins; and he did eat locusts and wild honey; 7 And preached, saying, There cometh one mightier than I after me, the latchet of whose shoes I am not worthy to stoop down and unloose. 8 I indeed have baptized you with water: but he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost. 9 And it came to pass in those days, that Jesus came from Nazareth of Galilee, and was baptized of John in Jordan. 10 And straightway coming up out of the water, he saw the heavens opened, and the Spirit like a dove descending upon him: 11 And there came a voice from heaven, saying, Thou art my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased. A keynote of The Baptism is our opportunity to express a heartfelt commitment to The Great Way, witnessed by, and in the company of like companions, in the Spirit of Sacredness and in Spiritual Community. The development of and receptivity to full Enlightenment and the attainment of Greater Wisdom and Compassion is the central focus. The Baptism is an Initiation of both the mind and heart in relationship to one's own Soul, God, Christ, and the Holy Spirit. The Baptism opens one to the influx of a Greater Degree of The Holy Light of The One God - Creator of All. The Holy Spirit descends by the power and word of our own will witnessed, blessed, and supported by a Priest in the Presence of Mary, Jesus and the Host above. When one is Baptized, one commits to following the Way and to the study and practice of the two great commandments given by Christ Jesus when He was on Earth: to Love God and to Love one another as He loved us. Implicit in Jesus' guidance is that his Mother Mary also followed these commandments in her obedience to God and in Her love for all. Quietly and silently as Mary during the time of the Annunciation, do we contemplatively strive to have and develop a relationship with God that is pure and complete. This pure desire is what results in our Awakening. The Baptism Initiation includes Communion. Communion in our tradition is the partaking not of Jesus, but of his consciousness, the Christ consciousness, the same consciousness that he received. We partake of the Body and Blood of Christ. Christ is the manifested Light. The Holy Spirit is the Presence of God. In the Gnostic tradition we perceive Jesus as one who, when He became Enlightened, received fully and manifested fully the Light of the Christ and the Presence of God. He brought forth the word of God through the Holy Spirit. As an enlightened being, he took on the mission to bring this Light to All. Jesus said: KJV John 14: 10-21: 10 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works. 11 Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me for the very works' sake. 12 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father. 13 And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son. 14 If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it. 15 If ye love me, keep my commandments. 16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever; 17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you. 18 I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you. 19 Yet a little while, and the world seeth me no more; but ye see me: because I live, ye shall live also. 20 At that day ye shall know that I am in my Father, and ye in me, and I in you. 21 He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him. Prior to Baptism, we perform a retrospection and a personal confession. Confession is an element of retrospection, the purpose of which is forgiveness of ourselves and all. It is recommended that you do this retrospection and confession in private and then discuss any unresolved issues with your Consecrator. During communion all sins and errors are given up to God for transformation. When we are Baptized in this Initiation all things are transformed; we are transformed. Conscious awareness of giving up our sins and errors enhances our experience of spiritual renewal and rebirth. See the Basic Spiritual Practice for guidance in performing a retrospection. It is useful to be familiar with The Six Elements of Spiritual Practice. These provide an outline of the elements of any regular spiritual practice and are universal in that they are the basic incremental steps of the spiritual practice of any faith. When one consciously steps upon The Path it is wise to know of these universal elements and make them a conscious part of our everyday Spiritual Practice. The Elements give us a logical framework for our spiritual practice and when practiced daily, these elements spiritualize our lives. These elements may be symbolized using the star of David. Meditation and Prayer result in Loving Devotion. Retrospection and Contemplation result in Loving Action. The upward pointing triangle signifies spiritual practices for understanding more about our relationship to God and the universe through intentional activities that open us to greater understanding and awareness; these practices result in a greater connection to the spiritual. Loving Devotion: We actively seek to know the great wisdom and the heart essence of All Faiths from within our own beings in ardent dedication to our path and God through our spiritual practice. Meditation: We meditate to quiet our minds, focus our thoughts and become aware of the presence of peace, love, and compassion in our lives. Prayer: We pray to hold others in the unconditional love of God and ask for blessings for ourselves and others. The downward pointing triangle represents spiritual practices for advancing our conscious awareness of what we have received from God that we may activate what we have received in the world and so be a cause of benefit in the world. Retrospection: We perform retrospection to examine our own thoughts and actions objectively in the light of spiritual teachings and to perceive the good intent and heart of all concerned. Contemplation: We contemplate and strive to maintain concentration on the sacred as a constant in private devotion and study to maintain our awareness of God's being and presence in every moment of our daily lives. Loving Action: We strive to act in accordance with the highest understanding we have received for the benefit of all. It is preferable that one be accomplished in beginning meditation. However, a sincere desire to know God and a recognition that All Paths Lead to The One Light Over All are truly the only requirements for this Initiation. The Baptism is an inward experience and takes place in a state of meditation and prayer. See Also: The Chart of the Six Elements outlines the essence of Spiritual Practice. The Basic Spiritual Practice outlines recommended daily spiritual practice. The Auric Egg Exercise outlines how to meditate. For more information also see Sacramental Initiation. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 754536 United States 12/24/2009 08:14 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The first non-black race to claim Judea as their home (at the expense of its inhabitants) were Babylonians in 580BC. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 848789This means the original Hebrews were blacks. No, it just means that you have helped degenerate this thread from where it began -- something that I could't have imagined could be done. The black hebrew myth is the stupidest and most patently revisionist crap spewed currently. You keep on believing whatever you need to though. I'll do the same and we can agree to disagree. One's belief in a given skin color for Yeshua doesn't make them a bad person, whatever hue that may be. My first post in this fail thread indicated that it's His current location that counts, not the way He looked when He graced earth with His presence. I stand by that assertion. He is risen! |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 848789 Germany 12/24/2009 08:16 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The first non-black race to claim Judea as their home (at the expense of its inhabitants) were Babylonians in 580BC. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 754536This means the original Hebrews were blacks. No, it just means that you have helped degenerate this thread from where it began -- something that I could't have imagined could be done. The black hebrew myth is the stupidest and most patently revisionist crap spewed currently. You keep on believing whatever you need to though. I'll do the same and we can agree to disagree. One's belief in a given skin color for Yeshua doesn't make them a bad person, whatever hue that may be. Have you read Leviticus 13? It proves the Hebrews were naturally dark skinned and black haired. |
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User ID: 779033 United States 12/24/2009 08:18 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The first non-black race to claim Judea as their home (at the expense of its inhabitants) were Babylonians in 580BC. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 848789This means the original Hebrews were blacks. Numbers 1 1Miriam and Aaron spoke against Moses because of the Cushite woman whom he had married, for he had married a Cushite woman. Cushites were black. Thus, we can assume that they would not have been speaking badly of her skin color if they were black as well. Further down we see this poetic justice. 10When the cloud removed from over the tent, behold, Miriam was leprous, like snow. And Aaron turned toward Miriam, and behold, she was leprous. 11And Aaron said to Moses, "Oh, my lord, do not punish us because we have done foolishly and have sinned. So to sum up, Aaron and Miriam were making fun of her because she was black, and God struck them with leprosy (making their skin white). Which means the original Hebrews probably had middle-eastern skin color. |
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User ID: 825688 United States 12/24/2009 08:23 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The Description of Publius Lentullus Quoting: Anonymous Coward 549392The letter of Lentulus is certainly apocryphal for a number of reasons. There never was a Governor of Jerusalem; no Procurator of Judea is known to have been called Lentulus and a Roman governor would not have addressed the Senate in the way represented. Lastly a Roman writer would not have employed the expressions, "prophet of truth", "sons of men" or "Jesus Christ". The Archko Volume Quoting: Anonymous Coward 549392There is a handful of other so-called evidences and arguments that some Christians put forward. One very silly attempt is the Archko Volume containing supposedly authentic first-hand accounts of Jesus from the early first century, including letters from Pilate to Rome, glowing eye-witness testimony from the shepherds outside Bethlehem who visited the baby Jesus at the manger after being awakened by angels, and so on. Its flowery King-James prose makes entertaining reading, but it is not considered authentic by any scholar. Josephus, the "Antiquities Of The Jews" Quoting: Anonymous Coward 549392At face value, Josephus appears to be the answer to the Christian apologist's dreams. He was a messianic Jew, not a Christian, so he could not be accused of bias. He did not spend a lot of time or space on his report of Jesus, showing that he was merely reporting facts, not spouting propaganda like the Gospel writers. Antiquities was written sometime around the year 90 AD. "Now, there was about this time, Jesus, a wise man, if it be lawful to call him a man, for he was a doer of wonderful works,a teacher of such men as receive the truth with pleasure. He drew over to him both many of the Jews, and many of the Gentiles. He was [the] Christ; and when Pilate, at the sug- gestion of the principal men amongst us, had condemned him to the cross, those that loved him at the first did not forsake him, for he appeared to them alive again the third day, as the divine prophets had foretold these and ten thousand other wonderful things concerning him; and the tribe of Christians, so named from him, are not extinct at this day." This truly appears to give historical confirmation for the existence of Jesus. But is it authentic? Most scholars, including most fundamentalist scholars, admit that at least some parts of this paragraph cannot be authentic. Many are convinced that the entire paragraph is a forgery, an interpolation inserted by Christians at a later time. Christians should be careful when they refer to Josephus as historical confirmation for Jesus. It turns around and bites them. If we remove the forged paragraph, the works of Josephus become evidence against historicity. If the life of Jesus was historical, why did Josephus know nothing of it? So it turns out that Josephus is silent about Jesus. If Jesus had truly lived and had accomplished all of the deeds and miracles reported in the Gospels, Josephus should have noticed. Josephus was a native of Judea, a contemporary of the Apostles. He was Governor of Galilee for a time, the province in which Jesus allegedly lived and taught. But Christ was of too little consequence and his deeds too trivial to merit a line from this historian's pen." Cornelius Tacitus Quoting: Anonymous Coward 549392Sometime after 117 AD, the Roman historian Tacitus wrote in his Annals (Book 15, chapter 44): "Nero looked around for a scapegoat, and inflicted the most fiendish tortures on a group of persons already hated for their crimes. This was the sect known as Christians. Their founder, one Christus, had been put to death by the procurator, Pontius Pilate in the reign of Tiberius. In this passage, Tacitus depicts early Christians as "hated for their crimes" and associated with "depravity and filth," not a flattering picture. But even if it is valid, it tells us nothing about Jesus of Nazareth. Tacitus claims no first-hand knowledge of Christianity. [link to www.sullivan-county.com] in5D: [link to www.in5d.com] Maya 2012: [link to www.maya12-21-2012.com] in5d YouTube Channel: [link to www.youtube.com] |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 549392 United States 12/24/2009 08:24 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | sigh- :-( [link to www.bibliotecapleyades.net] In the opening sentence of a New Testament parable, Jesus stated: A man of noble birth was on a long journey abroad, to have himself appointed king, and return. (Luke 19:12) Herein lies part of a profound Gospel truth revealing the substance of historical information that the church has strived for 2000 years to conceal. In this tale of long ago misconceptions and mistaken identities must be clarified so that the original story may be seen to rest upon a true and sure foundation. For this purpose we begin with the examination of church writings purporting to record the birth of Jesus Christ. The Gospels of Matthew and Luke stated that Jesus Christ was the first born of Mary and Joseph and he had four younger brothers and at least two sisters (Mark 6:3). Roman Catholics are obliged to hold the opinion that the brothers and sisters of Jesus Christ were the children of Joseph by a former marriage. This conclusion originally stemmed from the Gospel of James (the Protevanglium) that related to the age of Joseph at the birth of Jesus. However, it was clearly recorded that Joseph had sex with Mary after the birth of Jesus. The statement in the Gospel of Matthew that Joseph 'knew her not until she had born a son' (Matt. 1:25) eliminated the church's claim that Mary was a perpetual virgin. From the statements in the Gospels of Mark and Matthew it was clear that the brothers and sisters of Jesus were subsequent children of Mary in the fullest sense. Joseph returned to Galilee with the intention of marrying Mary. The Gospels according to Matthew and Luke clearly explained that they were 'betrothed' before Joseph's departure. This was the equivalent of being `engaged' in modern-day terminology. However, upon his return some months later, it was plainly apparent that Mary `was with child' (Luke 2:5) and it 'could not be hid from Joseph'. The Gospel of Matthew elaborated extensively upon the feelings of Joseph when he saw the violated condition of his bride-to-be. He was uneasy and being unwilling to defame her, he privately discussed ending their engagement (Matt. 1:19). From the description in the Gospels, it was clear that Joseph was not the biological father of Mary's child. So, who was? The evidence of the Rabbis The Jewish records of the Rabbis are of extreme importance in determining Gospel origins and the value of the church presentation of the virgin birth story of Jesus Christ. A common appellation for Jesus in the Talmud was Yeshu'a ben Panthera, an allusion to the widespread Jewish belief during the earliest centuries of the Christian era that Jesus was the result of an illegitimate union between his mother and a Roman soldier named Tiberius Julius Abdes Panthera. The Talmud enshrines within its pages Jewish oral law. It is divided into two parts, the Mishna and the Gemara. The first discusses such subjects as festivals and sacred things. The Gemara, is basically a commentary on these subjects. When the Talmud was written is not known. Some authorities suggest a date of 150-160, around the same time the Christian Gospels began to emerge, while others say 450. The Talmud writers mentioned Jesus' name twenty times and quite specifically documented that he was born an illegitimate son of a Roman soldier called Panthera, nicknamed the "Panther". Panthera's existence was confirmed by the discovery of a mysterious tombstone at Bingerbrück in Germany. The engraving etched in the headstone read: Tiberius Julius Abdes Panthera, an archer, native of Sidon, Phoenicia, who in 9AD was transferred to service in Rhineland (Germany). 1 This inscription added fuel to the theory that Jesus was the illegitimate son of Mary and the soldier Panthera. Classical scholar Professor Morton Smith of the Columbia University USA, described the tombstone as possibly `our only genuine relic of the holy family.' 2 In many Jewish references, Jesus was often referred to as 'ben Panthera', 'ben' meaning, 'son of'. However cautious one ought to be in accepting anything about Jesus from Jewish sources, in the matter of Jesus 'ben Panthera', the writers seem more consistent than the men we now call the church fathers. Scholars, for centuries, have discussed at length why Jesus was so regularly called ben Panthera. Adamantius Origen, an early Christian historian and church father (185-251), recorded the following verses about Mary from the research records of a highly regarded Second Century historian and author named Celsus (c. 178): Mary was turned out by her husband, a carpenter by profession, after she had been convicted of unfaithfulness. Cut off by her spouse, she gave birth to Jesus, a bastard; that Jesus, on account of his poverty was hired out to go to Egypt; that while there he acquired certain (magical) powers which Egyptians pride themselves on possessing.3 Later, in passage 1:32, Origen supported the Jewish records and confirmed that the paramour of the mother of Jesus was a Roman soldier called Panthera, a name he repeated in verse 1:69. Sometime during the 17th Century, those sentences were erased from the oldest Vatican manuscripts and other codices under church control. 4 The traditional church writings of St Epiphanius, the Bishop of Salamis (315-403) again confirmed the ben Panthera story and his information was of a startling nature. This champion of Christian orthodoxy and saint of Roman Catholicism frankly stated: Jesus was the son of a certain Julius whose surname was Panthera. 5 This was an extraordinary declaration simply recorded in ancient records as accepted church history. The ben Panthera legend was so widespread that two early stalwarts of the Christian church inserted the name in the genealogies of Jesus and Mary as a matter of fact. Enlarging on that statement, this passage from the Talmud: Rabbi Shiemon ben Azzai has said: I found' in Jerusalem a book of genealogies; therein was written that Such-an-one (Jesus) is the bastard son of an adulteress. 6 'Such-an-one' was one of the well-known substitutes for Jesus in the Talmud, as has been proved and admitted on either side. Shiemon ben Azzai flourished at the end of the First and beginning of the Second Century. He was one of four famous Rabbis, who according to Talmudic tradition 'entered Paradise'. He was a Chassid (the pious Jews of Palestine), most probably an Essene and remained a celibate and rigid ascetic until his death. The story of Mary's pregnancy by a Roman soldier also appeared in the sacred book of the Moslems, the Koran. It stated that 'a full-grown man' forced his attentions on Mary, and in her fear of the disgrace that would follow she left the area and bore Jesus in secret. This story was supported in the Gospel of Luke, with the description of the departure of Joseph and Mary from their home prior to the birth. Rape was a common event in Palestine during the Roman occupation and soldiers were notorious for their treatment of young women. It would be unthinkable for Mary to admit such an event had occurred for, under the Law of Moses, a betrothed virgin who had sex with any man during the period of her betrothal, was to be stoned to death by the men of the city (Deut. 22:21). Simply put, Mary faced the death penalty unless she could prove her innocence. 7 The mother's name There was another, lesser-known name Jesus was called during those early years and that was 'Yeshu'a ben Stada' (Son of Stada). This name was recorded in the records of the Sanhedrin and also in the Talmud. What can also be found in the Gemara, and has embarrassed Christian authorities for centuries, was this: Ben Stada was Ben Panthera, Rabbi Chisda said; The husband was Stada, the lover Panthera. Another said; the husband was Paphos ben Jehuda; Stada was his mother ... and she was unfaithful to her husband. 8 These apparently contradictory assertions can be ironed out when read in context. In summary, Stada was Yeshu'a (Jesus) ben Panthera's mother. The Gemera goes on to record that Yeshu'a ben Panthera 'was hanged on the day before the Passover'. That is to say, apparently, that after stoning, ben Panthera's body was hung or exposed on a vertical stake. Crucifixion was an unused mode of execution amongst the Jews who favored stoning as the main form of capital punishment. To shorten the cruelty of death by stoning, the victim was first rendered unconscious by a soporific drink, and subsequently the stoned body was exposed on a vertical stake as a warning to others. They found an old book The name 'ben Stada' given to Jesus in the Talmud, was found paralleled in the ancient Mehgheehlla Scroll that was discovered by Russian physician D.B. de Waltoff near Lake Tiberius in 1882 and 'is now called simply the Safed Scroll. In this old text, there were two brothers called Yeshai and Judas ben Halachmee who were the illegitimate twin sons born of a fifteen year old girl called Stadea. The closeness of the name Stada in the Talmud to the Stadea in the Safed Scroll is extraordinary and the slight difference in spelling can be explained by variations in translations. The interesting point here is that the name ben Halachmee was the name of Stadea's later husband, not the biological father of her sons. Unfortunately, no mention was made of the real father's name but ben Halachmee was the name given to Stadea's illegitimate twin boys. According to the Safed Scroll, Yeshai and his brother Judas ben Halachmee were taken in, raised and educated by the religious order of Essene monks. The Essenes were a perennial Jewish colony that particularly flourished in Judea for some centuries previous to the time ascribed to the New Testament stories. Subsequently one of the boys became a student of Rabbi Hillel's school of philosophy and the other became the leader of the Essenes. An older Essene named Joseph was assigned as Yeshai's 'religious father' and guardian. The Safed Scroll suggested that eventually, Yeshai ben Halachmee's outspoken religious views angered the Jewish priests. He was tried by a Roman court on a charge of inciting the people to rebel against the Roman Government. He was found guilty and sentenced to death, but escaped, left the area and traveled to India. The Mehgheehlla Scroll mirrored aspects of the hidden story in the Gospels and provided external evidence that the conclusion reached in this volume was known in ancient tradition. Who was Stada/Stadea One of the most popular aspects of etymology is the history of names those words or phrases which uniquely identify persons, animals, places, concepts or things. The earlier forms of a name are often uncertain and different dialect pronunciations have led to divergent spellings of the same name. The social pressure to use a standard spelling did not emerge until the 18th Century and earlier writers saw no problem presenting a person's name in a variety of ways. In one study, for example, over 130 variants of the name 'Mainwaring' were found among the parchments belonging to that family. Many Hebrew names in the Old Testament were believed to bear a special significance, as originally individual subjects were called by a name expressive of some characteristic, e.g. Edom, red; Esau, hairy; Jacob, supplanter and Sarai (Sara) from the base word, 'Sharat'. A similar concept applied in Jewish writings and for a long time confused researchers. 9 Like Roman and Hebrew tradition, the names of the characters 'often appear in distorted form in Rabbinic literature' and were sometimes an attempt to disguise their true personality. 10 This type of understanding provided the key to researchers that enabled them to unlock the true essence of what was really being relayed in ancient writings. 'Names research' is an open-ended and complex domain, and one which is particularly greedy of the researcher's time. In any study on the New Testament, however, it must be remembered that the first Gospels were written in Hebrew 11 and this was a vital point in determining who Stadea really was. 'The name (Stadea) has various forms and may have been borrowed from a fanciful name that meant a scholar; or had a regional identity like Stabiae or Statila, or a woman of good family.'' 12 According to Jewish writings, Stadea was 'the descendent of princes and rulers' 13 and her royal heritage provided a clue to her real name. The Talmud further stated that Yeshu'a (Jesus) ben Panthera's mother 'was also called Miriam, yes but she was nicknamed Stada ... Stat-da, this one has turned away, being unfaithful [Statda] to her husband'. 14 St Jerome explained the difficulty that he had in translating the earliest Gospels into Latin 15 and added that the `original Hebrew' versions of Matthew's Gospel and the earliest Luke Gospels were written in the Chaldaic language but with Hebrew letters. The `original Hebrew' version of the name 'Mary' was 'Mariamne'. 16 Therefore, 'Mary' in the English-language Gospels of today was originally written 'Mariamne' in the Hebrew versions and was sometimes translated 'Miriam'. 17 Mary unknown in early church history What was actually recorded of Mary/Mariamne in the only accepted Christian writings provided scant information indeed about the woman the church now call the mother-of-God. In the Gospels she was rarely mentioned. In fact, she was not mentioned by name in the oldest version of the Mark Gospel in the oldest Bibles. Nor was she mentioned in the oldest version of the John Gospel. The church said, 'the reader of the Gospels is at first surprised to find so little about Mary ... this obscurity has been studied at length'. 18 Both the Gospels of Mark and John first introduced Jesus as an adult. Only in contrived narratives does Mary play an important role in the biblical texts and, excluding these, she was mentioned only briefly on three occasions. The church presbyters were also silent on Mary. There was nothing recorded of her external to the church for more than four centuries after the time she was said to have lived. She had no ancestry or background except in spurious apocrypha. The earliest documented reference to Mary was found in the Mark Gospel of the Sinai Bible (Mark 3:32).This narrative referred to her as simply the earthly mother of several sons and daughters. The reference was actually about a group of people who addressed Jesus and said, 'Your mother and your brothers and your sisters are outside asking for you'. Here was a profound truth. Modern Bibles show the three words `and your sisters', to have been removed or indexed to a footnote. From here onwards, Mary almost vanished from the church texts, and apart from an obscure final reference to her in the Acts of the Apostles (1:14) she disappeared forever from the New Testament. However, when the name `Mary' in the Gospels was replaced with the original Hebrew version, 'Mariamne', an historic aspect arose. Combining the evidence available, the position advanced in this book is that Mary, the mother of Jesus in the Gospels, Stadea of the Jewish writings, and Mariamne of the House of Herod were one and the same person. At the time of the development of the Gospels, Mariamne was the younger sister of Herodias and the two girls were an integral part of the vast 'family of Herodes' (Herod today). They were the much loved granddaughters of King Herod and he 'cared for them with great devotion'. 19 Their mother, Berenice, later remarried and moved with her teenage daughters to live in Rome, where she gained the friendship of Emperor Augustus. 20 Mariamne and Herodias Herod were of noble birth through King Herod (c. 73-74BC) and his wife, Mariamne I. Mariamne Herod's father was Aristobulus, the son of Herod the Great, and her mother Berenice was the daughter of Herod's sister, Salome. Mariamne also had two brothers named Herod II, king of Chalcis, and Agrippa, who became Agrippa I. King Herod himself descended from a noble line of kings through his Nabatean mother, Cypros of Petra. The Nabateans were a Semitic people and the earliest sources regarded them as Arabs. Today they are generally referred to as Nabatean Arabs. Owing to its secure location, Petra was adopted by the Nabatean kings as their capital city which became incorporated into the Roman Empire in 106. The Nabatean Arabs passed out of history with the advent of Islam. 21 The House of Herod was founded by the marriage of Cypros of Petra to Antipater (Antipas), the Idumean, to whom Cypros bore four sons, Herod being one. The name Herod subsequently became the title of seven rulers mentioned in the New Testament and in Roman history. King Herod was known to the Romans as 'The Great' but in the eyes of the people over whom he ruled however, he was always known as 'The Impious', despite his costly restoration of the Temple in Jerusalem. In 7BC he strangled to death two of his sons, Aristobulus and Alexander, drawing a comment from Roman Emperor Augustus (27BC-14AD) that it was safer to be one of Herod's pigs than one of his sons. Another son was later born to Herod and, for his safety, his mother dispatched him to the care of her family in Ariminum, a city near Ravenna in Northern Italy. 22 He was Prince Joseph, the Joseph of Arimathea in the Gospels, and he later became the unseen power behind his father's throne. Herod the Great was a Roman citizen, governor of Galilee by 47BC and then King of Judea from 37 to 4BC. He was one of the major figures in politics of Palestine in the early years of the Roman Empire. Mariamne Herod's ancestors can be traced back on her grandmother's (Mariamne I) side to the Hasmonean 'priest-kings' and 'hereditary priests' from the tribe of Benjamin. She, her sister, and her brothers were descendants of the legitimate Hasmonean dynasty and 'carried the Hasmonean blood'. 23 They also carried the blood of the Nabatean Arabs, so much so that King Aretas IV, who was legally confirmed a Nabatean Arab king by Emperor Augustus 24 divorced his wife to marry Herodias (who died after 41AD) to maintain the Nabatean bloodline, but she declined him. It was Herodias who was involved in the Gospel story of the beheading of John the Baptist, for which she received a level of notoriety and defamation similar to that of Mary Magdalene. The available records reflect an intricate tangle of marriages, intermarriages and divorces between the Herods and the Romans. In the account of the Gospel of Mark (6:17), for example, Herodias later married Herod Philip I, her own uncle, by whom she had a daughter, Salome. Salome was named after her Hasmodean ancestor Salome Alexandra, herself a priestess-king. 25 Later in time, Herod 'Without-land' Antipas apparently fell in love with Herodias and proposed to her. Seeing that his fortunes were rising faster than her husband's, Herodias accepted his hand. She longed for social distinction, and accordingly left her husband and initially entered into an adulteress union with Herod Antipas, who was also her uncle. 26 She was not married to Antipas at this time but married him at a much later stage (c. 38). When Herodias saw how well her brother Agrippa I had fared in Rome, whence he returned a king, she urged her husband Herod Antipas to go to Caesar and obtain the royal title, for she believed his claim to it was far greater than that of her brother. Antipas was not king, but only Tetrarch of Galilee. 27 Contrary to his better judgment he went, and soon learned that Agrippa I by messengers had accused him before Emperor Caligula of conspiracy against the Romans. The Emperor banished Herod Antipas to Lyons, Gaul (France) in 41 and although he permitted Herodias to return to her home in Rome, she chose to accompany her husband into exile. It was recorded that the male offspring of the House of Herod were forced to become circumcised Jews in the reign of John Hyrcanus, a Hasmonean of the earlier Maccabean period. In other words, the Herod family adopted the religion of Judaism. The religious movement of the Essenes was also connected to the Hasmonean bloodline through the High Priest, Mattathias, the father of the military king, Judas Maccabeus. We know that Herod the Great was favorable towards the Essenes, maybe because they made it their invariable practice to refrain from disobedience to the political authority. The Jewish historical writer, Philo, recorded that they had never clashed with any ruler of Palestine, however tyrannical, until his lifetime in the mid first century. This was a passive attitude which could not fail to commend itself to King Herod, and it was reported he even went so far as to exempt the Essenes, like the Pharisees, from the oath of loyalty to himself. In the reconstruction of the story, and drawing upon the concept of the Safed Scroll, the pregnant Stadea (Mariamne Herod, née Mary) secretly went to one of the Essene communities until the time of the birth, and bore twin boys. Numerous groups of Essenes existed 'all over, as they were a very numerous sect' 28 and were found in secluded country areas as well as cities. Upon the birth of the twins, she then moved into the palace of Emperor Augustus and there she lived until the boys were old enough to receive schooling. It was due to their solidarity and the family affinity that the young Mariamne Herod had her illegitimate twin boys educated within the Essene community. The Essene hierarchy were her blood relatives and expounded similar principles and traditions to the Herodian philosophy. 'They perpetuated their sect by adopting children ... above all, the Essenes were the educators of the nobility, their instruction being varied and extensive. 29 To avoid confusion in developing the premise provided in this work, Mary, the mother of Jesus in the New Testament, shall be called Mariamne Herod except when quoting from the Gospels. The Roman father of the twins As with ancient Hebrew, Christian and Jewish names, it is also difficult to be exactly sure of the real names of many of the Roman characters with which we are dealing and many irregularities arise. The allocation of names was unlike today's Western procedure and a great many were purposely compounded with the names of Caesars, deities, and hybrid variations such as Caracalla, Emperor of Rome 211-217. Caracalla was a name derived from a long tunic worn by the Gauls, which he adopted as his favorite dress after he became emperor. His proper name was M.Aurelius Antoninus. The name Caesar developed from Caesarian, being the nature of the birth of Julius Caesar. Sometimes a new name was afterwards substituted for the original one, just as Plato was originally called Aristocles. The Jewish name of the First Century historian Joseph ben Matthias became Titus Flavius Josephus when he took Roman citizenship late in life. A popular loan-name among Roman men was Silvanius 30 that developed from the Roman god 'of uncultivated land beyond the boundaries of tillage'. A man with the name of Silvanius was depicted as 'uncanny and dangerous'. In many cases, the name was not given until the person was grown up and was then adapted from personal qualities such as Modestus, for example, and from servile condition Servus, or the name of an historical celebrity, Cornelia being one instance. In another Roman tradition, the name was sometimes a reference to peculiar circumstances at birth: e.g. Lucius-born by day; Manius-born in the morning; Alphus-the first born; Quintusthe fifth born and Decimus-the tenth born. As a rule, the eldest received the 'proenomen' (Christian name) of his father, and this helps to determine exactly who Tiberius Julius Abdes Panthera, as it appears on the headstone at Bingerbrück in Germany, really was. The name Tiberius Julius is the first part of the full name of Tiberius, Emperor of Rome, 31 the adopted son and heir of Emperor Augustus. Whether Tiberius was a native of Sidon in Phoenicia as recorded on the headstone, is difficult to establish, for there are conflicting references to his birthplace. From a very early age Tiberius' parents were in fear of their lives through the uncertainty of the civil war, where wrong political allegiances could result in an early death. His childhood and youth were beset with hardships and difficulties, because Claudius Nero and Livia [his parents] took him wherever they went in their flight from Octavius ... He was next hurried all over Sicily ... His parents finally fled to Greece but were still in pursuit ... escaping with him from Sparta at night. 32 The Monumentum Ancrya 33 reported that at one stage the family sailed from Phoenicia to Egypt to avoid persecution. With such persistent pursuers it was probable that the family lived at Sidon in Phoenicia and left when they were found, but this information was not publicly recorded. The words that are important in establishing whether or not the headstone actually referred to Emperor Tiberius are 'Panthera' and 'Abdes'. In order to understand this inscription, it shall be shown that the headstone was composed well after the time of the events in question and therefore benefited from the hindsight of history. There appeared to be a very deliberate plan in place in the manufacture of this headstone, and whoever was responsible for its construction knew the essence of what is revealed in this book. Its unknown creator encoded vital information in the form of a cipher and anagram, which when decoded revealed the identity of the father of Mariamne Herods' twin boys. In many cases a name was a reflection of that person's character and that view of ancient understanding can be used to trace an individual's life and illuminate that person's intimate character peculiarities. That was the case with Tiberius Julius' nickname, Panther. Variations were Panter-Panetier Panterer (Roman) which all meant 'adulterer' 34 and Tiberius was a man noted for his sexual excesses. This was an indication of how historical characters received their confusing multiplicity of names, for their names carne to reflect their nature and the events that surrounded their lives. Not even Tiberius' friends would deny that he often committed adultery, but said in justification that he did so for reasons of state, not simple passion he wanted to discover what his enemies were doing by becoming intimate with their wives or daughters. 35 The reputation of being a womanizer stuck to Tiberius, and as an elderly man he was said to have still harbored 'a passion for deflowering young girls, indulging in his sensual propensities on the island of Capri'. The name of 'Panther' may have originally developed from a little-known ancient Roman city of debauchery called Pantherin or Pantherine. 'Panther' may have also been attached to Tiberius Julius because of his beastly nature for the cat-like tactics he used in stalking and pouncing on his opponents in wars against the Dalmatians and Pannonians. 'In the old Physiologus [an anonymous Second Century book of fifty allegories], the panther was the type of Christ, but later, when the savage nature of the beast became more widely known, it became symbolical of evil and hypocritical flattery.' 36 From the year of his adoption by Augustus, circa 4AD, to the death of that emperor, Tiberius was in command of the Roman armies and because of his wicked nature, his troops named him 'the savage beast'. 37 Modern historians described him as a bloody tyrant. There may be another clue in the name 'Panther' associated with the lusty, untamed, horned Greek god Pan, who amused himself with the chase of nymphs. He was forever in love with one nymph or another, but always rejected because of his foul nature. Pan dwelt in forests and was dreaded by those whose occupations caused them to pass through the woods by day or night. Hence sudden fright without any visible cause was ascribed to Pan, and called a 'Panic' terror. This blackened his image so that he was seen to correspond to the Devil himself. The name 'Pan' may have originally developed from the earlier Greek myth of Pan-darus, the term meaning 'to shoot an arrow'. Pan was the bowman (archer) of the Zodiac which is also the sign of Sagittarius, encompassing parts of the months of November and December, and it was no surprise to find that Tiberius, an archer in his youth' 38 was born in November. There does seem to be some historical doubt as to accuracy of the time and place of his birth and this may account for the modern birth date given to him - 16 November 39 - falling slightly outside the prescribed range of the current Sagittarius dates, 26 November/23 December. It should be recognized, however, that the calendar has been adjusted over the course of 2000 years. Sometime shortly before the 17th Century, the Latin Sacred College quietly restored fifteen years to the Roman calendar. The net result of that, and earlier alterations, shows a present difference between Oriental and Western chronologies of sixty-three years, when both are compared from any certainly known astronomical date for example, Halley's Comet. The Roman leaders were renowned for their personification of earlier gods and the story of Julius Caesar acting out the role as Zeus was well recorded. 'Then there was Augustus' private banquet, known as "The Feast of the Divine Twelve", which caused a public scandal. The guests carne dressed as gods or goddesses, Augustus himself representing Apollo.' 40 Apollo was the son of Zeus, who was the equivalent to Jupiter in the Roman pantheon, with the 'Divine Twelve' representing the gods of the zodiac. Zeus was also the father of Hermes and Pan was Hermes' son. The great importance of the gods in Roman history at the time was seen when Emperor Augustus enlarged the temple of Apollo near Nicopolis, built in recognition of the victory at Actium. 41 This was the victory over Mark Antony that cleared the way for his Imperial Dictatorship. 'Abdes' was the third name found on the tombstone and applied to Tiberius Julius Panthera. The origin of 'Abdes' may be connected with Emperor Augustus' liking for ciphers and this may be what the originator of the tombstone was alluding to when he applied it to Tiberius. It was said of Emperor Augustus that: Instead of paying strict regard to orthography, as formulated by the grammarians, he inclined towards phonetic spelling... When Augustus wrote in cipher he simply substituted the next letter of the alphabet for the one required, except that he wrote AA for X. 42 By applying both of these rules to the word Abdes on the German headstone, a hidden code is thus revealed: Abdes = Ab-des = Bc-des = BC days Note: The extra twist for the reader is to apply the cipher rule forward as the person creating it, not backwards as would have been the case to decipher. The person or persons who created the headstone cipher could have only done so after the Sixth Century when the Julian calendar was first instituted. The proposed suggestion is that the cipher was designed to draw attention to the fact that circumstances surrounding the fathering and birth of Mariamne Herod's twin boys occurred BC rather than AD. Presumably the inscription on the tombstone was placed there to convey a special message, for it is unlikely to have been put there 600 years or more after the actual event to honor the site of an actual body, if there ever was a body buried at the site. The inscription stated that Tiberius Julius Abdes Panthera was transferred to service in Rhineland (Germany) in the year 9AD. The young Tiberius was indeed in that area at that time: Tiberius was given another three years of tribunicial power, with the task of pacifying Germany... There followed the Ilyrian revolt, which he was sent to suppress ... Tiberius conducted it for three years ... but, though often called back to Rome ... Tiberius was well paid for his stubbornness, by finally reducing the whole of Illyricum - an enormous stretch of country enclosed by Northern Italy, Noricum, the Danube, Thrace, Macedonia, and the Adriatic sea-to complete submission. 43 This timely victory prevented the victorious Germans, who had defeated three legions of Rome under Varus in 9AD, from linking up with the Pannonians. 'Proposals were made for decreeing him (Tiberius) the surname Pannonicus, or the "Unconquered", or "the Devoted"; but Emperor Augustus vetoed all these in turn, promising on each occasion that Tiberius would be satisfied with that of "Augustus", which he intended to bequeath him' . 44 The evidence is compelling in locating Tiberius for service in the area of the Rhineland in 9AD. However, to switch the era from AD to BC as the 'Abdes' cipher suggested, the person named on the headstone was in the Rhineland in 9BC, not 9AD, and Tiberius was located there on active duty at that time also. Suetonius recorded that 'in the third [instance] he took some 40,000 German prisoners, whom he brought across the Rhine and settled in new homes on the Gallic bank', 45 the years verified as 7 and 9BC. Although Tiberius was in active duty in that area at that time, 'he visited Rome several times'. 46 The date, nevertheless, was curious for locating the tombstone at Bingerbrück at all, because it did not say that Tiberius Julius Abdes Panthera died and was buried there, only that he was on service in the Rhineland. The evidence of the assertion was supposed that this time of 9BC was a coded message revealing the year the twin boys were born to Mariamne Herod. At that time she would have been fifteen years of age. The territory known as Germany today was never identified with this title until at least the time of Napoleon, when the 'Confederation of the Rhine' was formed in July 1806. From that time on, the area began to be called Rhineland. This knowledge brings the placing of the tombstone forward some 1200 additional years from the First Century designation and nearly 1800 years after the death of Tiberius. On further examination, a remarkable materialization of information appeared, for on a modern map of Germany we find that Bingerbrück is located on the Rhine River in the Rhineland Palatinate, a district of southwest Germany west of the Rhine, which belonged to Bavaria until 1945. Formerly, portions of the neighboring territory (Upper Palatinate) constituted an electorate of the Holy Roman Empire, now part of Rhineland Palatinate State. The Latin word Palatinate was a different sense of the word Palatine, whereas Palatinus meant 'of the Imperial House' and the electorate indicated the state contained one of the German princes entitled to elect the Emperor of the Holy Roman Empire. 47 Palatine is one of the Seven Hills of Rome where the Emperor of the Roman Empire resided in the Imperial House, whom, according to the above, the Emperor of the Holy Roman Empire succeeded and now resides in the Vatican. The interesting matter is that in earlier times, there was built on the Palatine hill the shrine to 'The Heavenly Twins' and it still remains there to this day. Conclusion The cipher on the Bingerbrück headstone connected the ancient Panthera tradition of the Rabbinic writings with the First Century Roman emperor, Tiberius. The conclusion drawn is that by reason of her mother's friendship with Emperor Augustus, the teenage Mariamne Herod met Tiberius when he returned to Rome to see his emperor father early in 9BC, and her twin sons were conceived by rape or adultery by him at that time. It was possible Mariamne Herod was then married, for the traditions of the time accepted the early marriage of young girls. The oldest daughter of Agrippa I, for example, was married at the age of thirteen. 48 Mariamne Herod named her sons Judas and Yeshu'a and the populous subsequently nicknamed them 'ben Panthera' (son of Panthera) after their 'adulterer' father. The name Yeshu'a carne to be pronounced and spoken as Jesus in English language translations and, to avoid confusion, shall be used as such throughout this work. Unraveling the headstone cipher has now completed a full circle, beginning with the illegitimate birth of twin boys to Mariamne Herod, the Virgin Mary of the Gospels, and ending with their father being the 33 year old Tiberius who was to later become Emperor of Rome in 14AD. The two boys, although illegitimate by birth, were the legitimate kingly heirs to the throne - the next in line to the imperial purple toga - and that is exactly what the Gospels of the New Testament recorded. This leads to an underlying truth hidden below the surface level of the Gospel story and one that the church has suppressed for seventeen hundred years. The Gospel of Mark suggested Judas and Jesus were commonly regarded as illegitimate by the people of their time. The fact that they were each identified as a 'son of Mary' (Mark 6:3), not 'son of Joseph', was interpreted by scholars to mean Judas and Jesus were regarded at the time as Mary's illegitimate sons. In the Gospel of John (8:41) the scribes and Pharisees challenged Jesus about his birth, 'we are not born of fornication', again revealing that the general populous knew that Jesus' birth, and thus Judas', was illegitimate. Related, in Luke (4:22) was Jesus' irritated reaction to the words, 'Is not this Joseph's son?' Why would Jesus (or maybe it was Judas speaking) react to this seemingly harmless question? The answer was documented in the oldest Greek texts of the New Testament, which read, 'not son of Joseph, this one'. The scriptural and historical data being presented in this work shows that the New Testament was never an authentic record, but was, in its entirety, a corpus of corrupted documents specifically constructed to induce a particular belief (John 20:30-31). This conclusion rests firmly on known facts and the ensuing chapters analyze ancient Roman, British and church reports that support this assertion. SWEET DREAMS CHILDREN |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 848789 Germany 12/24/2009 08:27 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The first non-black race to claim Judea as their home (at the expense of its inhabitants) were Babylonians in 580BC. Quoting: ZTEThis means the original Hebrews were blacks. Numbers 1 1Miriam and Aaron spoke against Moses because of the Cushite woman whom he had married, for he had married a Cushite woman. Cushites were black. Thus, we can assume that they would not have been speaking badly of her skin color if they were black as well. Further down we see this poetic justice. 10When the cloud removed from over the tent, behold, Miriam was leprous, like snow. And Aaron turned toward Miriam, and behold, she was leprous. 11And Aaron said to Moses, "Oh, my lord, do not punish us because we have done foolishly and have sinned. So to sum up, Aaron and Miriam were making fun of her because she was black, and God struck them with leprosy (making their skin white). Which means the original Hebrews probably had middle-eastern skin color. There's no such thing as Middle Eastern skin color. Caucasoid Arabs moved west 600 years after Christ's death. Before that time only various strains of Babylonians were Caucasoid in the region, and these had been keeping the remnant of the Israelites suppressed -- hence the necessity for a Messiah. Israelites were Negroids. |