Asking for help from GLP about a mono-like virus/illness, elderberry extract, or other ideas and comments...

as I told the other person:

this is an online forum. we are not doctors. most of the people here do not function in society. GO SEE A REAL DOCTOR. you are putting yourself at risk.

OP, I have had the same symptoms as you describe since I had the swine flu last April when it first hit Cali.

I had it for almost two weeks. It was the worst!

I was well and feeling pretty good for a few weeks and then this other thing started in. It comes and goes. But just when I think it is gone for good it comes back.

I have headaches, neck aches, and feel generally run down. I can't shake it. I haven't been to doctor - I avoid them.

Did either of you have the swine flu?

In my case I think I am so run down from the swine flu that I just keep picking up these low grade viruses.

I know its long but please read and help if you can-


My wife and I are both currently sick with a mono-like virus or illness of some variety for several months now. I beg for anyone who can help with any comments or suggestions or insight, please do. We are both about at the end of our ropes with this thing.


It is sort of similar to mononucleosis in some symptoms but different in others, and we both are not acutely ill with mono/epstein barr virus but have had it in the past according to the extensive 4-panel EBV test results. Our doc has run a bunch of tests.


Symptoms(same for both of us):
- headaches about 50% of the time
- sore throat about 50% of the time
- mild flu-like symptoms with body aches(feels like we have the flu at times)
- fatigue!, that becomes extreme at times
- distinct mental confusion, significant memory problems
- depression that becomes rather severe, neither of us have ever had serious depression before.
- HOWEVER, NO fevers and NO swollen lymph nodes in neck (at times we could swear we have a fever --> check our temps and they are normal.(grrrr what?)

/\ all of this ebbs and flows. We will feel sicker for 2-3 days and then a little better for 2-3 days. This has been going on for over 4 months now.


Back during ths summer we were hanging out with some people and this one girl was sick with the exact same stuff - or at least the same symptoms and whole story is the same as ours. However her mono was negative just like ours yet they still told her she had mono(taking the easy way out). Our doc was honest with us and told us it clearly was not mono we had, and Ive seen the EBV panel tests and I agree. That girl is still sick with it and its been almost 9 months now for her. We feel sure we caught it from her boyfriend(probable carrier of this to us, although he showed no symptoms) while sharing drinks and cigs with him. We first got sick a few days thereafter.

Its clear to me now that this is almost definately a contagious virus. This is not a very easily contagious virus however as we have been around plenty of people in various settings and no one else has caught it. Apparently like mono, this is only contagious through close contact- probably saliva transfer.





Our doc has run a lot of tests on both of us(we have same doc and are being seen together for this)-

- We both tested negative for being acutely ill with epstein-barr virus(EBV) and CMV - both tests done with the extensive multi-panel tests that shows if youve ever had it and also if youre currently acutely sick with it or not. According to the results, we have both been exposed to EBV(causes mono) and CMV(causes a mono-like illness) in the past though and have the antibodies - this is normal as much of the population has. We are currently not acutely sick with either of these though according to the multi-panel tests which are apparently highly reliable.

- HIV and all STD was negative.

- CBC was completely normal (GRRRR >>> WHAT? How can we feel this sick and have a normal CBC and Multichem?)

- Multichem was all normal.

- Chest and abdomen CT was normal.

- tick-borne disease all negative(done with the more extensive multi-panel tests done).

- thyroid, sed rate, liver panel, c-reactive protein all negative/normal

- I have personally ruled out poisons and mold. Also, weve even moved to a new house during this and the symptoms are still the same so I dont think its anything environmental. So like I said Im fairly certain its a virus that my wife and I caught from that girl - the illness is too unusal and long-lasting and the symptoms are the same for all 3 of us.



So for the most part the doc has just chalked it up to a mono-like illness/virus that we will just have to get through the best we can.

However we cannot take it anymore and are at the point where we cannot function mentally or physically anymore, and may not even be able to keep our jobs. Our mental capacity and physical capacity is at times about a 1/5 of our normal.




Im wondering if elderberry extract should be tried or not, and are there any other suggestions that we could try. Also has anyone had any experience with an illness, yourself or others you know, that can shed some light? Also any ideas on what else it might be? Anything other comments?

help, please

I know its long but please read and help if you can-


My wife and I are both currently sick with a mono-like virus or illness of some variety for several months now. I beg for anyone who can help with any comments or suggestions or insight, please do. We are both about at the end of our ropes with this thing.


It is sort of similar to mononucleosis in some symptoms but different in others, and we both are not acutely ill with mono/epstein barr virus but have had it in the past according to the extensive 4-panel EBV test results. Our doc has run a bunch of tests.


Symptoms(same for both of us):
- headaches about 50% of the time
- sore throat about 50% of the time
- mild flu-like symptoms with body aches(feels like we have the flu at times)
- fatigue!, that becomes extreme at times
- distinct mental confusion, significant memory problems
- depression that becomes rather severe, neither of us have ever had serious depression before.
- HOWEVER, NO fevers and NO swollen lymph nodes in neck (at times we could swear we have a fever --> check our temps and they are normal.(grrrr what?)

/\ all of this ebbs and flows. We will feel sicker for 2-3 days and then a little better for 2-3 days. This has been going on for over 4 months now.


Back during ths summer we were hanging out with some people and this one girl was sick with the exact same stuff - or at least the same symptoms and whole story is the same as ours. However her mono was negative just like ours yet they still told her she had mono(taking the easy way out). Our doc was honest with us and told us it clearly was not mono we had, and Ive seen the EBV panel tests and I agree. That girl is still sick with it and its been almost 9 months now for her. We feel sure we caught it from her boyfriend(probable carrier of this to us, although he showed no symptoms) while sharing drinks and cigs with him. We first got sick a few days thereafter.

Its clear to me now that this is almost definately a contagious virus. This is not a very easily contagious virus however as we have been around plenty of people in various settings and no one else has caught it. Apparently like mono, this is only contagious through close contact- probably saliva transfer.





Our doc has run a lot of tests on both of us(we have same doc and are being seen together for this)-

- We both tested negative for being acutely ill with epstein-barr virus(EBV) and CMV - both tests done with the extensive multi-panel tests that shows if youve ever had it and also if youre currently acutely sick with it or not. According to the results, we have both been exposed to EBV(causes mono) and CMV(causes a mono-like illness) in the past though and have the antibodies - this is normal as much of the population has. We are currently not acutely sick with either of these though according to the multi-panel tests which are apparently highly reliable.

- HIV and all STD was negative.

- CBC was completely normal (GRRRR >>> WHAT? How can we feel this sick and have a normal CBC and Multichem?)

- Multichem was all normal.

- Chest and abdomen CT was normal.

- tick-borne disease all negative(done with the more extensive multi-panel tests done).

- thyroid, sed rate, liver panel, c-reactive protein all negative/normal

- I have personally ruled out poisons and mold. Also, weve even moved to a new house during this and the symptoms are still the same so I dont think its anything environmental. So like I said Im fairly certain its a virus that my wife and I caught from that girl - the illness is too unusal and long-lasting and the symptoms are the same for all 3 of us.



So for the most part the doc has just chalked it up to a mono-like illness/virus that we will just have to get through the best we can.

However we cannot take it anymore and are at the point where we cannot function mentally or physically anymore, and may not even be able to keep our jobs. Our mental capacity and physical capacity is at times about a 1/5 of our normal.




Im wondering if elderberry extract should be tried or not, and are there any other suggestions that we could try. Also has anyone had any experience with an illness, yourself or others you know, that can shed some light? Also any ideas on what else it might be? Anything other comments?

help, please

Get a TB test . eat a total of 6 raw peeled whole garlics daiily with food and go to extra v irgin first cold pressed olive oil at once on food . to replace butter mayo and dressing on breads foods and vegies . gargle with apple cider vinegar half and half of water or straight if possible . it kills throat germs causing strep throats too. .............................................................​......a few drops of apple cider venigar into ear canel after showers .it rids bacteria in ear canel too. nasal wash with mild apple cider venigar and water ..apple cider venigar can aid in stoping vague fevors from mild ear bacteria ...it is safe and then swab out excess after with q tip. ..apple cider venigar and extra virgin first cold presed olive oil also on salads with some whole peeled garlic cloves will chase down more virus bacteria fungusand parasites issues..all of these foods have some powerful ingreadiants so does fresh yellow onions are powerful against illness ..google these things ......Then for aches and pains folks use a table spoon of apple cider vinigar with a tablespoon of raw honey in a cup of hot water . just sip it down.. half hour or hour after eating cause it destroys toxic germs in the blood stream causing pains so it stops pain so do it 2 times a day for pain relief .and to help destroy toxic germs that are causing pains also .. cabernet savignon red wine has good stuff in it 4 oz with meals a few times a day ..All of these foods are needed cause these foods go after fungus parasites bacterias and viruses big time.. you gotta do all of this for life to stay well ..PS google these health benifits of all of these foods i listed .. you must use the extra virgin olive oil if you eat raw whole peeled garlic to protect your stomach. never cook garlic it destroys the natural anbiotic in it that you need each day to destroy the germs .. . ........................................... ......disinfect your dishes by adding a quarter of cup of liquid clorox into your dish washer with your usual dish washing soaps .. it attacks more left over germs on dises and plastics.. ........................................disinfect tooth brushes . cap of clorox onto brushes kills germs let it sit for 5 min rinse brush as usual then rinse mouth good and gargle with apple cider venigar . end of sore throats .. .............................................................​......................re Wash drinking cups plates and utensils again when you visit friends before you drink from them. do not share drinks or cigeretes .or food and do not transfer fluids any more use protection . . it just reinfect both of you.. after a few weeks you will have noticed serious improvement . fevors will disapear aslong as you keep using these foods every day. but you are still prolly carriers now of some vague illness or a combination of ilness . also stream line your duties in your life to accomdate your new limitations of movement and energy needs .... ...................................old timers knew the benifits of these foods in europe .especially in Greece ..they were rarely sickly and almost never saw doctors .they dodged some of the Black Plague also that killed in europe from infected mice fleas from infected rats which are differant fleas than regular fleas on dogs or cats . Black Plague kiled as many as 50 million people .in europe in the middle ages from pnumonia as a secondary infection process of BLack Plague .

Other patients, such as those suffering from

chronic fatigue syndrome

also seem to do better with magnesium given by injection.

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I tried oregano oil, but with a bleeding stomach the burning and stinging was too much for me. How did you ingest it? I tried it under the toung subligual but also would sting bad.