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Anonymous Coward User ID: 826427 United States 01/07/2010 06:14 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The universe not explaining its self and being infinite doesnt prove god. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 859118the sentences: - All codes we know the origin of are designed by conscious beings. - Therefore whatever is outside the largest circle is a conscious being. are made up imaginary sentences which prove nothing this post is stupid. Short Bus Brigade to the rescue! |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 859118 United States 01/07/2010 06:16 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The universe not explaining its self and being infinite doesnt prove god. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 826427the sentences: - All codes we know the origin of are designed by conscious beings. - Therefore whatever is outside the largest circle is a conscious being. are made up imaginary sentences which prove nothing this post is stupid. Short Bus Brigade to the rescue! youre attempting to claim an incoherent post is intelligent and the people who openly admit its incoherent are just not understanding it. quite simply, this is fraud and the post is in fact incoherent and imaginative: "- All codes we know the origin of are designed by conscious beings. - Therefore whatever is outside the largest circle is a conscious being. " |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 826427 United States 01/07/2010 06:19 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The universe not explaining its self and being infinite doesnt prove god. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 859118the sentences: - All codes we know the origin of are designed by conscious beings. - Therefore whatever is outside the largest circle is a conscious being. are made up imaginary sentences which prove nothing this post is stupid. Short Bus Brigade to the rescue! youre attempting to claim an incoherent post is intelligent and the people who openly admit its incoherent are just not understanding it. quite simply, this is fraud and the post is in fact incoherent and imaginative: "- All codes we know the origin of are designed by conscious beings. - Therefore whatever is outside the largest circle is a conscious being. " Don't forget your helmet. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 859118 United States 01/07/2010 06:21 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The universe not explaining its self and being infinite doesnt prove god. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 826427the sentences: - All codes we know the origin of are designed by conscious beings. - Therefore whatever is outside the largest circle is a conscious being. are made up imaginary sentences which prove nothing this post is stupid. Short Bus Brigade to the rescue! youre attempting to claim an incoherent post is intelligent and the people who openly admit its incoherent are just not understanding it. quite simply, this is fraud and the post is in fact incoherent and imaginative: "- All codes we know the origin of are designed by conscious beings. - Therefore whatever is outside the largest circle is a conscious being. " Don't forget your helmet. You think you can post or back up an incoherent post, then try and convince other readers you are telling the truth when you say other people who point out its incoherent are just "not understanding it" by giving lame replies fuck you fraud. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 848282 Australia 01/07/2010 06:21 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | What the OP posted is completely true. There will always be small and narrow minds that can't possibly comprehend it, however. I see a few have already posted here very determined to seem intelligent and failing miserably. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 826427OH YEAH?? Well I'm drawing a CIRCLE around your post, which according to the theory PROVES that you are BAD and WRONG!!! |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 826427 United States 01/07/2010 06:22 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | How to perform fraud: Quoting: Anonymous Coward 8591181) Make a truly incoherent post and say it proves something 2) denounce all people who point out incoherence as just not understanding the really incoherent post, that is actually incoherent. Fuck You. Are you confusing me with the OP? I read the post and understood it with perfect clarity. So now you have your panties in a bunch because you can't. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 859118 United States 01/07/2010 06:22 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | this is a psyops fraud post - ignore all incoherent posts, they are designed to confuse and demoralize people mentally then make it look like its real but other people arent special enough to understand it its psyops people, wake up, look at the original post and look at the defenders of it, all incoherent fraud |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 674154 United Arab Emirates 01/07/2010 06:22 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | youre attempting to claim an incoherent post is intelligent and the people who openly admit its incoherent are just not understanding it. quite simply, this is fraud and the post is in fact incoherent and imaginative: Quoting: Anonymous Coward 859118"- All codes we know the origin of are designed by conscious beings. - Therefore whatever is outside the largest circle is a conscious being. " Read the article again - it seems apparent that you are not following the stream of reasoning detailed. If that doesn't help..then forget it. Don't blame others, if you cant get the gist of what is being said. Your lack of understanding does not qualify that this article is stupid. It qualifies that you are.... :) sorry! |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 826427 United States 01/07/2010 06:23 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | What the OP posted is completely true. There will always be small and narrow minds that can't possibly comprehend it, however. I see a few have already posted here very determined to seem intelligent and failing miserably. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 848282OH YEAH?? Well I'm drawing a CIRCLE around your post, which according to the theory PROVES that you are BAD and WRONG!!! DUN DUN DUN! Dramatic chipmunk anyone? |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 859118 United States 01/07/2010 06:24 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | How to perform fraud: Quoting: Anonymous Coward 8264271) Make a truly incoherent post and say it proves something 2) denounce all people who point out incoherence as just not understanding the really incoherent post, that is actually incoherent. Fuck You. Are you confusing me with the OP? I read the post and understood it with perfect clarity. So now you have your panties in a bunch because you can't. Fuck you, these sentences are incoherent and you know it or you have schizophrenia and latched onto them with your own meaning: - All codes we know the origin of are designed by conscious beings. - Therefore whatever is outside the largest circle is a conscious being. essentially these are made up bullshit sentences. and as for the other parts of the post, statements like "the universe doesnt explain its self" are nonsense bullshit sentences that have nothing to do with God youre made because of how real these replies are exposing your intentional mind-game fraud/schizophrenia, which ever one it is |
nomuse (NLI) User ID: 834029 United States 01/07/2010 06:25 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Learn to differentiate between arrogance and confidence. By debating me here on any level, does not prove your intellect or impresses any one that you seem to have a clearer view of reality. You have just proven your attitude to be uncivil and generically mediocre just like a lot of quick rant, close-minded people here. Quoting: OP 513483Look up Hofstadter, the name I provided. I first met Goedel's Incompleteness Theorum in Hofstadter's famous book, "Goedel, Escher, Bach." Goedel also is mentioned (among many other places!) in the climactic speech of the play "Breaking the Code," about the persecution of Alan Turing. I like Goedel. But you...or the author of the article (I couldn't dis-entangle one from the other)...make a rather fantastical leap from incompleteness to requiring a specific deity as described in one specific old book. I might as well say that our physically complete universe requires a supra-universe of a third-grade slumber party playing a late-night game of Candyland. Or that it requires a parallel universe populated only by sparkling multicolored unicorns. There isn't any reason to specify any particular form of the meta-universe. Indeed, if Goedel is to be followed down this particular rabbit hole, we of this universe are by definition incapable of understanding whatever it is that needs to make up the metaverse. Well...I don't follow the math that well, but the math and physics buffs I read to giggle a lot when someone suggests that Goedel's theorums describe anything other than a specific class of mathematical systems. Apparently it makes for fun philosophy to do so, but poor math. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 791725 United States 01/07/2010 06:26 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | First off, that doesn't prove there is a god. Secondly, the assumptions are based on language descriptors that impose their own limitations. Every material thing is constantly explaining itself sheerly by the act of existing. Whetheryou believe it, percieve it or can explain it is irrelevant to it's existance. I can see an academic asking a student to prove an item exists. Who would be the fool when the student hits him with it. Mathematics is only a way for the blind to see the obvious. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 859118 United States 01/07/2010 06:26 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Read the article again - it seems apparent that you are not following the stream of reasoning detailed. If that doesn't help..then forget it. Don't blame others, if you cant get the gist of what is being said. Your lack of understanding does not qualify that this article is stupid. It qualifies that you are.... :) sorry! Quoting: Anonymous Coward 674154the above reply was made up to try and discredit me because im exposing this post as incoherent. nothing in the OP proves God, at all. anyone can make up a post for shits and giggles or be a slightly more functioning version of Zakk and Wio then simply claim "you dont understand you arent following the stream" fuck you fraud |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 826427 United States 01/07/2010 06:28 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | How to perform fraud: Quoting: Anonymous Coward 8591181) Make a truly incoherent post and say it proves something 2) denounce all people who point out incoherence as just not understanding the really incoherent post, that is actually incoherent. Fuck You. Are you confusing me with the OP? I read the post and understood it with perfect clarity. So now you have your panties in a bunch because you can't. Fuck you, these sentences are incoherent and you know it or you have schizophrenia and latched onto them with your own meaning: - All codes we know the origin of are designed by conscious beings. - Therefore whatever is outside the largest circle is a conscious being. essentially these are made up bullshit sentences. and as for the other parts of the post, statements like "the universe doesnt explain its self" are nonsense bullshit sentences that have nothing to do with God youre made because of how real these replies are exposing your intentional mind-game fraud/schizophrenia, which ever one it is So hostile! I need not say anything more. Your ideology is broken. I'm just here to enjoy it. Have a Coke and a smile. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 859118 United States 01/07/2010 06:32 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | How to perform fraud: Quoting: Anonymous Coward 8264271) Make a truly incoherent post and say it proves something 2) denounce all people who point out incoherence as just not understanding the really incoherent post, that is actually incoherent. Fuck You. Are you confusing me with the OP? I read the post and understood it with perfect clarity. So now you have your panties in a bunch because you can't. Fuck you, these sentences are incoherent and you know it or you have schizophrenia and latched onto them with your own meaning: - All codes we know the origin of are designed by conscious beings. - Therefore whatever is outside the largest circle is a conscious being. essentially these are made up bullshit sentences. and as for the other parts of the post, statements like "the universe doesnt explain its self" are nonsense bullshit sentences that have nothing to do with God youre made because of how real these replies are exposing your intentional mind-game fraud/schizophrenia, which ever one it is So hostile! I need not say anything more. Your ideology is broken. I'm just here to enjoy it. Have a Coke and a smile. Youd get hostile too if you were normal and for years every website you go to, every where you go on and offline, you run into incoherent people who are completely insane, albeit functional and can do things like drive a car and work their job. What is the point of this post, its only a hobby and has no practicality, it does nothing to change the world or increase well-being. All it will do is attempt to fuck people in the head claiming something is scientific proof when its not. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 855947 Australia 01/07/2010 06:32 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Well I was certainly cringing. Only because you're so fucking stupid to believe any of that. Next you'll be telling me that rather than evolving over millions of years, some nut case managed to pair up animals on a raft to survive a flood... ...Oh wait. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 674154 United Arab Emirates 01/07/2010 06:35 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Read the article again - it seems apparent that you are not following the stream of reasoning detailed. If that doesn't help..then forget it. Don't blame others, if you cant get the gist of what is being said. Your lack of understanding does not qualify that this article is stupid. It qualifies that you are.... :) sorry! Quoting: Anonymous Coward 859118the above reply was made up to try and discredit me because im exposing this post as incoherent. nothing in the OP proves God, at all. anyone can make up a post for shits and giggles or be a slightly more functioning version of Zakk and Wio then simply claim "you dont understand you arent following the stream" fuck you fraud Seriously, read the article again...slowly this time. A lot of us here are surprised you are so upset. It is funny - i'm being totally honest here. Because you could not comprehend what the article details your assumption is that we are all pretending to understand it. The author is a presenting a mathematical theorem in simple terms, therefore the choice of words. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 859118 United States 01/07/2010 06:36 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Lights on brick walls are aliens, stars are space ships, the sun is a cube, the sun is really cold, the earth is flat, pics of empty skies contain UFOs that others just cant see, empty desert bedrocks on mars are alive people in cities if you zoom into them, etc etc |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 848282 Australia 01/07/2010 06:38 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Gödel created his proof by starting with “The Liar’s Paradox” — which is the statement Quoting: Ahem! 467395“I am lying.” “I am lying” is self-contradictory, since if it’s true, I’m not a liar, and it’s false; and if it’s false, I am a liar, so it’s true. All that proves is that the English language is STUPID. You can say things that are NONSENSE. For example: Can God make a rock so big that He can't lift it? If you can correctly answer that, you'll have a Scientific Proof Of God (SPOG)!! If you can't understand it, that proves that YOU SUCK!!! Anyway, George Hammond did this years ago, and BETTER. His SPOG had SAUSAGE MEN. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 513483 United Arab Emirates 01/07/2010 06:41 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Well I was certainly cringing. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 855947Only because you're so fucking stupid to believe any of that. Next you'll be telling me that rather than evolving over millions of years, some nut case managed to pair up animals on a raft to survive a flood... ...Oh wait. Oh no! another reasoning based on the lowest common denominator argument. For the last fucking time, not all non-athiests are your version of the organized religion followers. The unrelenting arrogance that is inherent with most of the athiests is SHOCKING. You aren't cool because you are athiests, and you aren't necessarily on same par with scientists, intelletuals or philosophers who don't believe in God. You can piss off with your rudemenatry arguments of evolutionism and creationism to prove your point because that might serve well on mainstream CNN ABC fox news and shit...it is not REAL debate on logical open-minded, philosophical basis. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 826427 United States 01/07/2010 06:42 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | How to perform fraud: Quoting: Anonymous Coward 8591181) Make a truly incoherent post and say it proves something 2) denounce all people who point out incoherence as just not understanding the really incoherent post, that is actually incoherent. Fuck You. Are you confusing me with the OP? I read the post and understood it with perfect clarity. So now you have your panties in a bunch because you can't. Fuck you, these sentences are incoherent and you know it or you have schizophrenia and latched onto them with your own meaning: - All codes we know the origin of are designed by conscious beings. - Therefore whatever is outside the largest circle is a conscious being. Doctor sock is concerned! essentially these are made up bullshit sentences. and as for the other parts of the post, statements like "the universe doesnt explain its self" are nonsense bullshit sentences that have nothing to do with God youre made because of how real these replies are exposing your intentional mind-game fraud/schizophrenia, which ever one it is So hostile! I need not say anything more. Your ideology is broken. I'm just here to enjoy it. Have a Coke and a smile. Youd get hostile too if you were normal and for years every website you go to, every where you go on and offline, you run into incoherent people who are completely insane, albeit functional and can do things like drive a car and work their job. What is the point of this post, its only a hobby and has no practicality, it does nothing to change the world or increase well-being. All it will do is attempt to fuck people in the head claiming something is scientific proof when its not. I hate to inform you but you don't sound normal. You sound very angry. Are you bi-polar? You can tell us. |
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User ID: 713881 United States 01/07/2010 07:01 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | this is a psyops fraud post - ignore all incoherent posts, they are designed to confuse and demoralize people mentally then make it look like its real but other people arent special enough to understand it Quoting: Anonymous Coward 859118its psyops people, wake up, look at the original post and look at the defenders of it, all incoherent fraud as a believer i must agree ^.^ this is shit, god is not meant to be proven how did this get so many high stars when most of these replies are negative? odd.. "I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them." -Thomas Jefferson [email protected] |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 857966 Canada 01/07/2010 08:38 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It is completely wrong to attempt to use scientific methods of proof for God. Proof denies faith and faith is more important than the thoughts of man. The Godel theorem also proves that God is not infinite or all powerful, so its use must be avoided in all scientific discussion for the existence of God. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 736738 United States 01/07/2010 08:55 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | So if you put the circle around "god" then what is out side the circle? How can you say "god" is the one thing you can't put within a circle if you can't really define "god"? If "god" has to be a conscious being then who created "god"? Quoting: Bleeding ThoughtsTrying to define God is exactly how we ended up with all these pathetic religions we deal with today. We are not capable of defining that which is beyond our understanding (God), and when we try, we end up only defining our own incompetence. Based on this theorem, there can be no 'end'. There has to be room for a bigger circle. I like it. True infinity, proven (almost). |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 747222 United States 01/07/2010 09:00 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The Incompleteness of the universe isn’t proof that God exists. But… it IS proof that in order to construct a consistent model of the universe, belief in God is not just 100% logical… it’s necessary. Quoting: OP 467395If nothing can be proved then all of your assumptions including your incompleteness theorem cannot be proved as well. Thats like saying "all statements are false except this one." Science works because it's not about proving things. Science is about finding out how things work for practical purposes. It may or may not be able to prove deep philosophical questions which may or may not have answers. God can never be disproved as much as pink unicorns can't be disproved. You made quite a few assumptions to make god exist completely negating your whole argument about the incompleteness theorem. You've mede a few assumptions here. First I am not the author of this article. I posted it for reference. Second, you did not comprehend the reasoning behind the article because it has the same logic and reasoning used by the scientific community. Science relies on proof and not just 'how things work for practical purposes'. Yet, there are scientific theorems (as mentioned above) that are solidy relied on without proof. As a non-believer (athiest) one is expected to accept that the universe (world) just came into being without a source for its inception. Yet daily, in life, every change (creation, destruction, altercation) in a state of being or entity or atom has specific reasoning due to science. Basically, scientific laws exist that cause things to happen a certain way...but when it comes to the question of why do these laws exist? The answer generally in most cases ends up being "because they exists and that's that." No definitive proof of the 'why' is every addressed. Looking at it scientifically as a believer in God (supreme being) the reason is simple. Because the world/universe works, changes/alters in a certain way due to interaction with other elements and scientific laws, it stands to reason that every change has purpose for the causality. Keeping that in mind, it is rather strange for me to just accept the fact that the universe/life came into being without a specific originator and a purpose and reason of origin. The universe life all exists based on complex scientific laws and theorems yet why these laws exists and not to address the question of who originated them is rather 'unscientific' in my view. EXACTLY! I have always said in reply to the "Big Bang" Theory. If atoms exploding created the "Big Bang", then, who created the atoms? See, at one time there was nothing. Even the very laws were at one time created. |