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Were You Part Of The "Mentally Gifted Minds" Program In California Scools back in the 70's?

 
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I was very poor at doing homework. But I always aced my tests.
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This seems to be an extremely common trait among us. I had a rivalry with a world history teacher in high school - I refused, flat-out refused, to do the homework or even open the book in class, but I could ace his "uncheatable" tests and push my grade right back into passing territory, every single time.
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I would do my homework in the class before the class where it was due. Never read the assignments. Never took my books home. Turned them in and always scored "A" and always passed the tests, too.

The rest of the time I used to write things... music, poetry, other stuff. I have a whole binder full of this stuff up in the attic.

I went back and read some of this stuff a few months ago. One of the writings was a whole thing about how the US government was declining in control of the populous and would likely end up in civil war within 20 years. Date on it was something like '97 so not too far off, eh?
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I was very poor at doing homework. But I always aced my tests.
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This seems to be an extremely common trait among us. I had a rivalry with a world history teacher in high school - I refused, flat-out refused, to do the homework or even open the book in class, but I could ace his "uncheatable" tests and push my grade right back into passing territory, every single time.
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I would do my homework in the class before the class where it was due. Never read the assignments. Never took my books home. Turned them in and always scored "A" and always passed the tests, too.

The rest of the time I used to write things... music, poetry, other stuff. I have a whole binder full of this stuff up in the attic.

I went back and read some of this stuff a few months ago. One of the writings was a whole thing about how the US government was declining in control of the populous and would likely end up in civil war within 20 years. Date on it was something like '97 so not too far off, eh?
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What was the basis behind the project? Just personal musings or assigned work?

It's my personal opinion that we are, in fact, headed for a civil war of one kind or another. However, I am rapidly becoming convinced that it's a manufactured crisis, a case of provoking us caged rats into fighting each other for artificially limited resources rather than trying to escape and attack the captors.

Digging on this particular topic, I've come to understand that science and psychiatry are light years beyond what is published and taught to the general population. 20th century scientists and researchers accomplished some very, very smart things - the smartest being the ability to keep their mouths shut about it.
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I was very poor at doing homework. But I always aced my tests.
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This seems to be an extremely common trait among us. I had a rivalry with a world history teacher in high school - I refused, flat-out refused, to do the homework or even open the book in class, but I could ace his "uncheatable" tests and push my grade right back into passing territory, every single time.
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In high school almost gave my world history teacher a schizophrenic breakdown. Amazing amount of GLPish truth available in central library microfiche before the internet was around.

During that era 80s and 90s the Agency didn't care if you learned the truth, in fact even taught me the truth to realize systemic change was futile, as long as you didn't teach others the truth in an organized fashion.

Now the truth's irrelevant because they have total control through technology.
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yes me was super smart i eat apple in my booty
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Now the truth's irrelevant because they have total control through technology.
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Ain't that the truth! Pun intended...

So from a practical point of view, where do we all go from here? I doubt we'll ever find the complete answers we're looking for, not that it's a bad idea to keep comparing notes and opening memory blocks for each other.

But how do we identify whether or not we had something tangible done to us, and if so, how do we undo it? How do we get back the missing memories? Especially since a lot of us are not hypnotizable?
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I was very poor at doing homework. But I always aced my tests.
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This seems to be an extremely common trait among us. I had a rivalry with a world history teacher in high school - I refused, flat-out refused, to do the homework or even open the book in class, but I could ace his "uncheatable" tests and push my grade right back into passing territory, every single time.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 75458309


I would do my homework in the class before the class where it was due. Never read the assignments. Never took my books home. Turned them in and always scored "A" and always passed the tests, too.

The rest of the time I used to write things... music, poetry, other stuff. I have a whole binder full of this stuff up in the attic.

I went back and read some of this stuff a few months ago. One of the writings was a whole thing about how the US government was declining in control of the populous and would likely end up in civil war within 20 years. Date on it was something like '97 so not too far off, eh?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28925333


What was the basis behind the project? Just personal musings or assigned work?

It's my personal opinion that we are, in fact, headed for a civil war of one kind or another. However, I am rapidly becoming convinced that it's a manufactured crisis, a case of provoking us caged rats into fighting each other for artificially limited resources rather than trying to escape and attack the captors.

Digging on this particular topic, I've come to understand that science and psychiatry are light years beyond what is published and taught to the general population. 20th century scientists and researchers accomplished some very, very smart things - the smartest being the ability to keep their mouths shut about it.
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It was just my own personal musings. I used to write things down that I was thinking about all the time. Ideas, inventions, theories, music, poetry, etc.
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Listen, I found out what’s going on. You can too. Start doing your genealogy as far back as you can. At one point you will be totally blown away at the person you discover is your ancestor, and all your questions will be answered. You will know for sure why they were doing the culling and the investigating.
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Listen, I found out what’s going on. You can too. Start doing your genealogy as far back as you can. At one point you will be totally blown away at the person you discover is your ancestor, and all your questions will be answered. You will know for sure why they were doing the culling and the investigating.
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How about a hint for the genealogically challenged among us? My father was adopted and those secrets died when his adoptive parents did. My mother's side of the family is so full of deception and misdirection we have no clue what my grandmother's maiden name actually was, or how old she actually was when she passed. She was extremely secretive about her life and family history. There's some debate about my mother's paternity, and regardless, both of those men are long gone too. So drop me a hint lol...
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Listen, I found out what’s going on. You can too. Start doing your genealogy as far back as you can. At one point you will be totally blown away at the person you discover is your ancestor, and all your questions will be answered. You will know for sure why they were doing the culling and the investigating.
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My dad's side had nothing notable. My mother's side tracked back to the Buck family of Bucks County PA who also fought in the Revolutionary War. I couldn't trace it any further than that.
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If this has been mentioned I missed it, my apologies...

This is going to sound weird but ever since I was a kid I would see little floaty dots and/or waves when looking at the air

Only outdoors and only at daytime (horrible night vision)

Sunny or cloudy, didn't matter... looking up at the sky or lower down with objects in front (tree line, etc)

I always thought of it as being able to see atoms dancing around??? But that's not quite right

For a bit I thought it was connected to my migraines but I haven't had one in about 10 years and I still see them

Not on any prescriptions and aside from my astigmatism my eye exams always came back normal

I know there are other threads on this somewhere, mostly I'm curious if any other formerly gifted people experience this?
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If this has been mentioned I missed it, my apologies...

This is going to sound weird but ever since I was a kid I would see little floaty dots and/or waves when looking at the air

Only outdoors and only at daytime (horrible night vision)

Sunny or cloudy, didn't matter... looking up at the sky or lower down with objects in front (tree line, etc)

I always thought of it as being able to see atoms dancing around??? But that's not quite right

For a bit I thought it was connected to my migraines but I haven't had one in about 10 years and I still see them

Not on any prescriptions and aside from my astigmatism my eye exams always came back normal

I know there are other threads on this somewhere, mostly I'm curious if any other formerly gifted people experience this?
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I see them and always have. Countless little instantaneously appearing and disappearing squiggles of moving light against the sky. Some people call it prana. I never knew if I was seeing my own eyeball-liquid cells moving around or if it was an external phenomenon like prana.
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2.) During this time (from age 8 to 12), I developed an overwhelming interest in the occult, and I dabbled in all sorts of dumb stuff like ouija boards, table tapping, seances, etc, usually dragging my unsuspecting friends into it. Where the hell were my parents, you ask? That's a whole different rant...
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Same. I've had a number of people consider me to be the p-word but I do not believe in psychic phenomena. I basically am compiling information and making extremely good guesses. I was curious about this as well as the occult stuff that I recalled dabbling with (had tarot, various books on witchcraft including herbal lore and etc) that I had messed around with myself when I was younger. Even my mother apparently remembered this as she recently bought me a Tarot deck (she's been giving me secondhand things from my youth over the last few years as I've been remembering things). Anyways, I recalled doing the card tests as school and figured that had to be TAG. Others recalled that as well so I went on a hunt and found that there was a special subprogram within the gifted program that dealt with the paranormal and occult. Part of it apparently included being taught to essentially give people the impression that they have just witnessed ESP.

There were several newspaper articles about this that I posted somewhere on this thread. Took place in the early 80s, I believe. Hope this helps you.
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If this has been mentioned I missed it, my apologies...

This is going to sound weird but ever since I was a kid I would see little floaty dots and/or waves when looking at the air

Only outdoors and only at daytime (horrible night vision)
For a bit I thought it was connected to my migraines but I haven't had one in about 10 years and I still see them....

Not on any prescriptions and aside from my astigmatism my eye exams always came back normal
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77986159


I have visual disturbances as well including this phenomena and a history of migraine. I'm not sure which one it is (a lot of the disturbances have names and forgot that one lol) but it is one that I do experience as well as the poor night vision. If it's visual snow, that's a separate issue from migraine. Like you, my eyes are okay and mine have been determined to be neurological, probably from something going haywire in the vision center of the brain.

So sorry you have this issue, too!
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I also noticed all intel assets came from generational DOD families. But that was just pattern recognition stuff on my part. They keep things "in the club" so to speak. Those that I knew with the truly high clearances - have not aged well emotionally.

At the end of the day, I was kind of Thankful I didn't make that cut. You feel like you missed out - but time shows you the price that got paid.
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Family has served in the US since the Revolutionary War, grandfather was high ranking DOD (including military intel). We have his AF-11 but his service record is still classified some 30 years after his retirement. Another relative in the same era was an infamous CIA asset.

Pretty sure my first school was a DoD school as I was apparently living with my grandfather at the time (my parents chose to omit this fact my whole life, found out from my dad).. The class was strange with kids of all ages in it. I remember we were learning Spanish but I don't remember anything else at all beyond maybe private ballet lessons. I was absolutely and overtly groomed for the military by grandfather at his home and at a local base but with a weird emphasis on beauty and other extremely odd things, especially given the time period and what was acceptable for young women. My ex-husband believes he turned me into a sleeper but I think I just pissed him off because I didn't join the military. I did have a "derivative of MK-ULTRA research" used on me after I turned 18 and declined to join the military but that was all done at home. My grandfather very likely had connections to the individual who made what was used on me (my mother thankfully saved it). Whether I like it or not, that happened to me. Most days, I forget that it did as that's the only way I can not hate this world.
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I'm curious what percentage of us are autodidactic? I'd suspect that number is very high. I am self-taught across a wide range of specialties - if I teach myself something, I learn it almost instantly. When I try to learn from others, it's very difficult.
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I'm autodidactic and on the autism spectrum.


The forgetting thing seems to be a common trait amongst all of us. This thread has woken up more than a few of us over the years, I'm grateful it's here. Whatever the original poster's intentions were, he's done a service to us.
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Here's a strange question for people that does in fact relate to this: How good are you at thinking about the future? Not the future for the planet or society in general as I'm betting that all of you are quite good at that but your own personal future. Do you struggle?
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I'm curious what percentage of us are autodidactic? I'd suspect that number is very high. I am self-taught across a wide range of specialties - if I teach myself something, I learn it almost instantly. When I try to learn from others, it's very difficult.
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I'm autodidactic and on the autism spectrum.


The forgetting thing seems to be a common trait amongst all of us. This thread has woken up more than a few of us over the years, I'm grateful it's here. Whatever the original poster's intentions were, he's done a service to us.
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Here's a strange question for people that does in fact relate to this: How good are you at thinking about the future? Not the future for the planet or society in general as I'm betting that all of you are quite good at that but your own personal future. Do you struggle?
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Sorry, I took a little break from this thread for a few days to process everything. And yes, struggle ALL THE TIME. I know how to fix the world LOL, it's just next Tuesday I'm not so sure about how to handle.
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Found on page 291 "By the way, a curious side note - a GATE classmate of mine achieved a high degree of notoriety a few years ago, almost on a fluke, and had a spectacular and very public breakdown immediately after. I won't name names for his sake (or mine) because that's not really the point - the point is what happened to a GATE kid in those circumstances. It's possible many of us became underachievers as a defense against that exact scenario."


THIS


When I read this thread the above paragraph stands out the most. I have been aware of having an overwhelming fear of success, to the point that I feel it must have been planted in some way. I feel I am meant to stay under the radar and that if I try anything short of being an underachiever I will wildly succeed, so I better not do it. When I do start to succeed I immediately self sabotage and feel relived,like I just dodged a bullet. I have wondered while reading this thread if they used this program to stop the people who should have changed the world, I know how over the top that sounds, but I can't help thinking it.
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I have wondered while reading this thread if they used this program to stop the people who should have changed the world, I know how over the top that sounds, but I can't help thinking it.
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It does sound over-the-top, and I couldn't help but think it also.

At this point, I have two theories. One is hyper-logical, one is a little woo-woo. I'm not sold on either of them....yet.

1.) Gifted education curriculums were written by people interested in the human potential movement, and well-meaning but careless teachers embraced and taught the lessons. Us kids were way too young psychologically for consciousness-expanding exercises and it left a lot of us burned out.

2.) The CIA funded gifted programs (especially multi-year programs) to develop extrasensory abilities in children, using consciousness experiments, testing them repeatedly, then ultimately de-activating certain students before they left the program.
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2.) The CIA funded gifted programs (especially multi-year programs) to develop extrasensory abilities in children, using consciousness experiments, testing them repeatedly, then ultimately de-activating certain students before they left the program.
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So weird lol...this morning while running errands I spotted a homeless woman on the corner holding a sign that said something to the effect of "Beware the CIA and project monarch. Mind control, not butterflies". There was more but it was really small print and I was driving. We have a lot of homeless here, usually the signs are begging for money, not calling out CIA programs that are widely considered a hoax LOL.

I'm blaming meth, not conspiracy, for this lady. Just funny timing though with the subject matter.
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I was in one in the 90s. One thing I do remember is that our teacher locked the door one time and hypnotized the entire class. Candles were lit. She said she locked the door because the candles were in violation of the fire code.

I have looked up my former classmates from that program and they are all ultra-liberals now. I'm the only one who isn't AFAIK.
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Yes, yes.. We were all in the "gifted" program as kids. It means squat now.


It's the "I'm special" thread that just won't die…

:ohlook:
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Yes, yes.. We were all in the "gifted" program as kids. It means squat now.


It's the "I'm special" thread that just won't die…

:ohlook:
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Hush. They're just trying to figure out why they were put under hypnosis, asked a series of bizarre questions, drugged, and dragged all over the state.

Not like the kids like you who are like "oh cool, a day off, gimmie that little cup of medicine, I love cherry flavor, will this get me drunk, brah?"

pphtt

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I don't know what lies they told you, but I can promise they were lies.

There's a fine line between training, trauma, and torture.
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Now the truth's irrelevant because they have total control through technology.
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Ain't that the truth! Pun intended...

So from a practical point of view, where do we all go from here? I doubt we'll ever find the complete answers we're looking for, not that it's a bad idea to keep comparing notes and opening memory blocks for each other.

But how do we identify whether or not we had something tangible done to us, and if so, how do we undo it? How do we get back the missing memories? Especially since a lot of us are not hypnotizable?
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Remote viewimg?
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Yes to being drawn to the occult as well. I believe it was the time life series advertised in the 80s, and from there delving into tarot and ouija. It was more of an investigation on my part than a belief system. Dropped it and went on to investigate other religions and philosophies.

I am fascinated as to why people do what they do. Maybe because im an aspie and a sensitive and i am trying to understand myself. Yes I too have trouble planning for the future despite having a great need for prior knowledge about most everything.

More than anything, my whole life I've felt like I'm still trying to solve those puzzles, always searching for answers to questions that I can't even put into words. I do a lot of reading around the web, especially GLP...

I just feel like "it's " out there, and I have to find it, like an itch I can't scratch...

So did they damage my brain or make it better?
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Yes, yes.. We were all in the "gifted" program as kids. It means squat now.


It's the "I'm special" thread that just won't die…

:ohlook:
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Hush. They're just trying to figure out why they were put under hypnosis, asked a series of bizarre questions, drugged, and dragged all over the state.

Not like the kids like you who are like "oh cool, a day off, gimmie that little cup of medicine, I love cherry flavor, will this get me drunk, brah?"

pphtt
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Mmkay… 60-year-olds, still wondering why they were "chosen."

Carry on with your mutual stroking session.

banana2
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Mmkay… 60-year-olds, still wondering why they were "chosen."

Carry on with your mutual stroking session.

banana2
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Clearly this topic bothers you. It doesn't bother me that it bothers you, so it sounds like this is 100% your problem, not ours. Personally, I just ignore threads that don't hold my interest, but obviously you prefer others to think for you.

In that case, your mind is clearly telling you to go f*** off!
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Mmkay… 60-year-olds, still wondering why they were "chosen."

Carry on with your mutual stroking session.

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Ageism isn't something Americans thought would happen to them. When we were kids, life was so great we could never have imagined a diseased generation or two, like the last two. But, it has been done, and it was tecch companies that did it. Tecch was used to instagram all your little snouts and faces. That you cannot reflect inward and have ADD and all your problems, your whole generation, will not stop the drill instructor from punching you in the gut or slapping you and calling you a coward, Patton style, in the future.
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Sorry, I took a little break from this thread for a few days to process everything. And yes, struggle ALL THE TIME. I know how to fix the world LOL, it's just next Tuesday I'm not so sure about how to handle.
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Interesting. I was watching a show on Netflix that talked about the brain and memory and one of the things that they mentioned was the association between autobiographical memory difficulties and impairments in future thinking. It really struck me as that pretty much summed me up. I can think about the future for everything else but me so that fit me so well that it was startling. The docuseries was called "The Mind: Explained". It was really quite late when I watched it so I might have misheard it but pretty sure I didn't.





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