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Hello everyone. hearts

When I was younger, I would experience what we call "deja vu's". After a devastating event later in life, where I actually wanted to choose the "easy way out", but did not, the "deja vu's stopped. Years have passed now, without a single "deja vu".

You know, they say that we have lived before, many times, living through the same issues and obstacles of life, towards "spiritual perfection". In my mind, "deja vu's" are reminders of those times. The times, when we were still struggling through the hard times, we gave up on.

A mysterious feeling came over me, a feeling that I had "conquered" what I had previously let go of. I had "come out on the other side", stronger, and life before me was no longer written in stone. I had changed as a person. I had become more tolerant, more humble, more grateful.

Like a rough stone, my temper and intolerance had been polished away. I had developed patience and understanding towards myself and other people. And it dawned on me, that this "new person" I had become, was actually whom I knew deep within, I really was.

I had been healthy all of my life, strong and vital. Nothing could get me down. When suddenly I came down with a serious illness in my stomac. It took only 6 months to loose all of my body fat/muscles. As the days passed, I would gradually feel my body let go of me. Finally I lay down on my bed and I remember thinking: "I give up now, God..."

And unseen force grabbed me, and I had a NDE. I was taught how to pass through to the other side, to the next life. There were other people there too, learning how to die, and teachers who took care of it all. And what a beautiful afterlife we have in store. Green, lush meadows of spring as far as the eye could see. I even got to fly over all of this, to take it all in. However ... I was not allowed to stay. I was loaded into a bus, with the other people attending the same "course" in dying - and we were about to roll back home - when the unseen force grabbed hold of me once again and pulled me back into the afterlife.

"You thought it was that easy, huh?"

What looked like a "cardboard-demon", came towards me, and I covered my face and babbled words of a prayer in my head. Glancing through my fingers, I could still see the "cardboard-demon" approach me. That's when I panicked and cried from the bottom of my heart: "GOD, PLEASE HELP ME!"

I woke up.

No no no, we cannot cheat life. We cannot cheat death - and we cannot cheat God. There are no short cuts, no easy way out. There is merely hard work and a narrow path. And each and every one of us, have to walk it.

And I who thought I had become a nice person - still had a "cardboard-demon" within. A demon, that I was not allowed to bring into the afterlife. Hey, I didnt even get to see God. I was just in one of the "deparments" of heaven.

Because where God is, you need to be all clean, all love... meek and humble. Just like a child.

I was not all that. I still had work to do. I woke with the words in my head: "I am the way, the truth and the life." Hmm... where had I heard those words before?

I must add, I do not belong to a religion. I never will. In my mind, religion belongs to this world. But Jesus belongs to both. I read everything I could lay my hands on about His life on earth, and His deeds - and the more I read, the more I wanted to get to know this wonderful man. And the more I got to know Him, the more I wanted to BE like Him. Not in a religious way, but in a personal way.

Me & Jesus have a personal relationship now. 5 years after my NDE. We're buddies! He's my big brother and I dont care what other people say abt that. It's the way it is and everyone who wants to, can have such a relationship with Jesus. No religion, just Jesus and You.

My family and friends are my blessings, because I couldn't really learn life's lessons without them. So bless them all. l have learned to appreciate my enemies. They are indeed an important part of my personal learning process, my experiences here on earth. As I am to them. I would go as far as to claim: we chose them too.

But my life is my own, I have to walk the road on my own. I have to make my own choices and finally - I have to die - alone. And when I die, I have to leave EVERYTHING and EVERYONE behind.

Earthly possessions wont matter anymore. Even my physical body cannot be brought into the afterlife. Because it is of this earth of good vs bad. What matters is: What my heart contains.

In my NDE, I was sent back, because I was not yet ready to enter what some of us call heaven. I had to go back, work through my illness, get back up on my feet - live and learn that which I did not yet know. At that point I had no idea how to manage any of that, I had to take one small step at the time. Little by little and cling to my Faith.

Five years have passed. I have pondered and "knocked" and asked and pleaded - and finally I am beginning to understand what the "cardboard-demon" represents:

See, I had become a fairly good person and detatched myself from many of the earthly values. And from many of my personal issues like anger, greed and jelousy. Some, because they no longer had any value to me - others because I chose to detach from them. But I was still missing something.

And I cried out: "WHAT ELSE DO YOU WANT FROM ME, GOD?"

See, GOD does not "want" anything from me. God knows me, who I am and what I am doing here - and God knows I will one day return to Him surely like the sunrises. And even if I have to spend lifetime after lifetime here to peel off the layers of fault, God is patient and loves me unconditionally.

But there is another smart-azz within (that I had not been aware of) - THAT WANTS SOMETHING FROM ME. In me, there is not only "the GOD (good) spark". There is also "the EVIL (bad) spark". And all 3 of us live and thrive inside of my PHYSICAL BODY - and act through my heart (my emotions).

For after all, physical life is the life of struggle between good & bad, right?

And this smart-azz does not want me to love unconditionally, it does not want me to be utterly patient, to turn the other cheek, to love my enemies, to forgive betrayal, to be a good samaritan, to lay down my life for my friend, to heal and help others, to see all of you as a part of me - and to be at peace. TO BE GOD LIKE.

And I who thought evil was an outside force, like a constant temptation to avoid - or a "devil" to steer clear of. No,no ... evil is within.

GOD, ME & EVIL.

2000 years ago, I think Jesus tried to tell us the truth about this life, the afterlife - and about God. I also think the truth got distorted, by people back then, who would personally benefit from controlling the masses of people.(religion) Call it the "EGO", call it "Evil", call it whatever you want - it is still our choice. And I believe this choice between good and bad matters entirely when it comes to finishing up this earthly life - and heading into the next.

And that, may be the reason why we are still here in this physical world, in our physical bodies - and not in the world of spirit.

... or maybe I'm wrong sheep


Wishing everyone an awesome weekend! ty for reading.

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good stuff indeed.
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A decade ago my wife, an accomplished but anonymous medium, started dictating a book about the afterlife with information provided by her spirit guides. It was word-for-word transcribed and can be downloaded as a 150 page PDF file at:

[link to www.afterlife101.com]

The experience of OP is quite consistent with this book.
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Very few near death experiences are religious. Most of it is about floating above your body or going through tunnel where at the end there is light.
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Very few near death experiences are religious. Most of it is about floating above your body or going through tunnel where at the end there is light.
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You're right, many do contain the tunnel and the light. For me, it was a narrow crack in the ruins of a house, that I had to squeze through. The "course" was held in those ruins, I have made this story short, but I actually travelled quite a few times back and forth. I was afraid I would be too big for this crack, so each time, there was a voice in my head saying: "Close your eyes, relax and accept it." When I did as the voice said, I came through on the other side.
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A decade ago my wife, an accomplished but anonymous medium, started dictating a book about the afterlife with information provided by her spirit guides. It was word-for-word transcribed and can be downloaded as a 150 page PDF file at:

[link to www.afterlife101.com]

The experience of OP is quite consistent with this book.
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Thanx a lot, i will definitely read it hf
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Nice work, thanks for sharing your experiences with us.

I can't help but point out that you still have a very large portion of judgement in you; you divide religion from spirituality.

This is the single most common mistake I see on GLP. People think they are spiritual where others, whom they disagree with and don't like, are religious.

This is up to God to decide not us. It's like saying to another, "you are mechanical, but look at me, I am human. God loves me, but he hates people like you."

Maybe that is the cardboard demon you still have?

Anyway, those demons are scary aren't they? I've only dreamed about them, but they can still scare the Holy Hell out of me.
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Dear Op if you have never seen this amazingly good documentary I'm sure you will enjoy it.

The Day I Died 1- NDE Documentary Part 1 of 6

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Nice work, thanks for sharing your experiences with us.

I can't help but point out that you still have a very large portion of judgement in you; you divide religion from spirituality.

This is the single most common mistake I see on GLP. People think they are spiritual where others, whom they disagree with and don't like, are religious.

This is up to God to decide not us. It's like saying to another, "you are mechanical, but look at me, I am human. God loves me, but he hates people like you."

Maybe that is the cardboard demon you still have?

Anyway, those demons are scary aren't they? I've only dreamed about them, but they can still scare the Holy Hell out of me.
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Indeed :) there are more layers needing to be peeled off, but I think we come a long way just by realizing it, and intending to make a change. Yes judgement are one of my issues still. Lets say im better at judging, than being judged lol....But I am working on that too, ty for your reply.
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Dear Op if you have never seen this amazingly good documentary I'm sure you will enjoy it.

The Day I Died 1- NDE Documentary Part 1 of 6


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Thanx a lot, will watch!hf
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Be warned my interpretation may seem very secular and materialistic. We cannot know, though, what lies beyond consciousness, beyond death.

About 8 years ago, due to an accidental overdose of painkillers my whole system broke down and along with it, I did. At first it was very painful, the original pain and the added intoxication from the medication. I fell down with my face against the floor, not breathing, I cannot remember feeling my heartbeat, it must have been very irregular and very very slow. Slowly through the veil of pain I was becoming aware of a different reality; I was hovering between worlds, in pitch-black space, completely calm and without pain - far away from my physical body, it seemed like the outskirts of spacetime. I felt a presence, too, an all-knowing old soul, something like death or a death angel, a dweller on the border. It whispered to me, but not in words but in whole ideas, whole histories of thousands of years, lives, species, families, countries, everything that could ever be known was there at once, at the same time, being exchanged between me and this entity. My normal life seemed so insignificant and tiny, compared to this vast knowledge.

After floating there, communicating with the reaper, for what seemed like 3 eternities, I realised I had to start breathing again, because the awareness of my physical body was still there at the same time and if I wanted to return to my body, I had to get it working again. I knew I could have continued floating through this empty space beyond the world, but I would have had to stay there for at least a very long time, most probably eternity. So I decided to breathe, wake up, get someone to call an ambulance.

I think when you die, a few things happen.

First, what happens to your consciousness, to your brain, when we die? I think with the nervous system shutting down, time is slowed down. So while you imagine floating around, your brain shuts down more and the more it shuts down, the longer everything seems to last. Up until there is only very little brain activity left, where you still imagine your own personal version of life after death (it is actually life very shortly before death), but this experience is subjectively stretched out into eternity - or almost eternity. I think the idea of souls who cannot accept death and letting go their physical lives applies somehow, but they don't go wandering about in the real world as spirits, but they wander through their own personal projection of the world (hell?).

What happens after we're gone? I think we return to where we came from. Before we became conscious, we weren't conscious and we simply return to being not conscious. Look at what happens to your molecules and atoms, at first they still "belong" to your body, but over time, it falls apart, is decomposed, recycled into soil and after some years the first of your atoms re-appear within new lifeforms like plants. Then these plants are eaten by animals and humans and so the atoms end up in these animals and people - until they again die. This happens over and over and over and over until our sun dies, then at some time the whole matter of earth is spread out into the galaxy and helps form new stars and planets and maybe even lifeforms. My idea is that with consciousness it's not any different. We appear to be conscious now, because so much information is concentrated within us. When we die, the information is dispensed and the individual completely ceases to exist. But the information is not lost. Instead it is reconfigured and forms billions of new information clusters of which 10,000 may become fruit flies, 200,000 grass in a field, 100,000 rocks, 50,000 humans etc etc etc... If you let go of the idea of a permanent indivudual, not only death makes more sense, also this very life can be seen in a new light and it becomes more valuable, more magic, more mysterious.

my 2 cents
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you may also read the books about Matthew

[link to www.matthewbooks.com]

I read the first one and this thread made me think of it.
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you may also read the books about Matthew

[link to www.matthewbooks.com]

I read the first one and this thread made me think of it.
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ty, will most certainly read it.
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A couple of months back, I had this amazing dream where I was in the Temple of Knowledge. A huge building on many many floors with endless shelves and countless books with corridors leading off in all directions and a vast domed semi transparent ceiling.

When I awoke I googled The Temple Of Knowledge and it seems I had a near death experience that's been experienced by many many people. How amazing is that!?
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Thanks for sharing OP. I am a former atheist and it was learning about NDEs that brought me to a beleif in God... so I always enjoy hearing more stories like yours :)
I envy your personal relationship with Jesus... I'm still working on all that.
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Grab a cup of coffee and watch this video please

[link to vimeo.com]
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A couple of months back, I had this amazing dream where I was in the Temple of Knowledge. A huge building on many many floors with endless shelves and countless books with corridors leading off in all directions and a vast domed semi transparent ceiling.

When I awoke I googled The Temple Of Knowledge and it seems I had a near death experience that's been experienced by many many people. How amazing is that!?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1261166


I had a dream like this, too.
My "temple" had different huge dome or chambers leading to the main door and it seemed like each of them represented a different approach to knowledge, but in the end most ended up in the grant main dome.
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Grab a cup of coffee and watch this video please

[link to vimeo.com]
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one more sorry
[link to vimeo.com]
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Thanks for sharing OP. I am a former atheist and it was learning about NDEs that brought me to a beleif in God... so I always enjoy hearing more stories like yours :)
I envy your personal relationship with Jesus... I'm still working on all that.
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You know, usually we call on Jesus when we are in trouble, or distress..... ever noticed the peaceful feeling that comes to you when you do that? I speak with Jesus many times a day. I thank him... for the good things in my life. Just as if he was right next to me, and I do feel, that we are very close. And I know everyone can do this. Jesus is with you all the time, just know it. Simply call on Him, ask Him to be close. Jesus does not force anything upon anyone. He has told us to ask and that we shall receive.
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Nice work, thanks for sharing your experiences with us.

I can't help but point out that you still have a very large portion of judgement in you; you divide religion from spirituality.

This is the single most common mistake I see on GLP. People think they are spiritual where others, whom they disagree with and don't like, are religious.

This is up to God to decide not us. It's like saying to another, "you are mechanical, but look at me, I am human. God loves me, but he hates people like you."

Maybe that is the cardboard demon you still have?

Anyway, those demons are scary aren't they? I've only dreamed about them, but they can still scare the Holy Hell out of me.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 860229

I disagree strongly with this post. You deny your strength, which is your business, but do not infect OP with that.

Spirituality is often (always?) a conclusion drawn from experiences that people have directly and through discussion with others. Some of those discussions can take place here. It is scientific; it draws tentative conclusions from actual observations -- even if those observations are not susceptible to measurement and documentation with our technology.

Religion may include spirituality, but I think that most religion is a matter of following orders, of giving up your own perceptions, of ignoring and departing from logic and scientific reasoning. Of abdicating the responsibility to live one's own life with one's own mind.

Don't confuse OP with this misdirection. It will make her lose confidence in her own power, and that could do a lot of damage and make her waste a lot of time.
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Hello everyone. hearts

When I was younger, I would experience what we call "deja vu's". After a devastating event later in life, where I actually wanted to choose the "easy way out", but did not, the "deja vu's stopped. Years have passed now, without a single "deja vu".

You know, they say that we have lived before, many times, living through the same issues and obstacles of life, towards "spiritual perfection". In my mind, "deja vu's" are reminders of those times. The times, when we were still struggling through the hard times, we gave up on.

A mysterious feeling came over me, a feeling that I had "conquered" what I had previously let go of. I had "come out on the other side", stronger, and life before me was no longer written in stone. I had changed as a person. I had become more tolerant, more humble, more grateful.

Like a rough stone, my temper and intolerance had been polished away. I had developed patience and understanding towards myself and other people. And it dawned on me, that this "new person" I had become, was actually whom I knew deep within, I really was.

I had been healthy all of my life, strong and vital. Nothing could get me down. When suddenly I came down with a serious illness in my stomac. It took only 6 months to loose all of my body fat/muscles. As the days passed, I would gradually feel my body let go of me. Finally I lay down on my bed and I remember thinking: "I give up now, God..."

And unseen force grabbed me, and I had a NDE. I was taught how to pass through to the other side, to the next life. There were other people there too, learning how to die, and teachers who took care of it all. And what a beautiful afterlife we have in store. Green, lush meadows of spring as far as the eye could see. I even got to fly over all of this, to take it all in. However ... I was not allowed to stay. I was loaded into a bus, with the other people attending the same "course" in dying - and we were about to roll back home - when the unseen force grabbed hold of me once again and pulled me back into the afterlife.

"You thought it was that easy, huh?"

What looked like a "cardboard-demon", came towards me, and I covered my face and babbled words of a prayer in my head. Glancing through my fingers, I could still see the "cardboard-demon" approach me. That's when I panicked and cried from the bottom of my heart: "GOD, PLEASE HELP ME!"

I woke up.

No no no, we cannot cheat life. We cannot cheat death - and we cannot cheat God. There are no short cuts, no easy way out. There is merely hard work and a narrow path. And each and every one of us, have to walk it.

And I who thought I had become a nice person - still had a "cardboard-demon" within. A demon, that I was not allowed to bring into the afterlife. Hey, I didnt even get to see God. I was just in one of the "deparments" of heaven.

Because where God is, you need to be all clean, all love... meek and humble. Just like a child.

I was not all that. I still had work to do. I woke with the words in my head: "I am the way, the truth and the life." Hmm... where had I heard those words before?

I must add, I do not belong to a religion. I never will. In my mind, religion belongs to this world. But Jesus belongs to both. I read everything I could lay my hands on about His life on earth, and His deeds - and the more I read, the more I wanted to get to know this wonderful man. And the more I got to know Him, the more I wanted to BE like Him. Not in a religious way, but in a personal way.

Me & Jesus have a personal relationship now. 5 years after my NDE. We're buddies! He's my big brother and I dont care what other people say abt that. It's the way it is and everyone who wants to, can have such a relationship with Jesus. No religion, just Jesus and You.

My family and friends are my blessings, because I couldn't really learn life's lessons without them. So bless them all. l have learned to appreciate my enemies. They are indeed an important part of my personal learning process, my experiences here on earth. As I am to them. I would go as far as to claim: we chose them too.

But my life is my own, I have to walk the road on my own. I have to make my own choices and finally - I have to die - alone. And when I die, I have to leave EVERYTHING and EVERYONE behind.

Earthly possessions wont matter anymore. Even my physical body cannot be brought into the afterlife. Because it is of this earth of good vs bad. What matters is: What my heart contains.

In my NDE, I was sent back, because I was not yet ready to enter what some of us call heaven. I had to go back, work through my illness, get back up on my feet - live and learn that which I did not yet know. At that point I had no idea how to manage any of that, I had to take one small step at the time. Little by little and cling to my Faith.

Five years have passed. I have pondered and "knocked" and asked and pleaded - and finally I am beginning to understand what the "cardboard-demon" represents:

See, I had become a fairly good person and detatched myself from many of the earthly values. And from many of my personal issues like anger, greed and jelousy. Some, because they no longer had any value to me - others because I chose to detach from them. But I was still missing something.

And I cried out: "WHAT ELSE DO YOU WANT FROM ME, GOD?"

See, GOD does not "want" anything from me. God knows me, who I am and what I am doing here - and God knows I will one day return to Him surely like the sunrises. And even if I have to spend lifetime after lifetime here to peel off the layers of fault, God is patient and loves me unconditionally.

But there is another smart-azz within (that I had not been aware of) - THAT WANTS SOMETHING FROM ME. In me, there is not only "the GOD (good) spark". There is also "the EVIL (bad) spark". And all 3 of us live and thrive inside of my PHYSICAL BODY - and act through my heart (my emotions).

For after all, physical life is the life of struggle between good & bad, right?

And this smart-azz does not want me to love unconditionally, it does not want me to be utterly patient, to turn the other cheek, to love my enemies, to forgive betrayal, to be a good samaritan, to lay down my life for my friend, to heal and help others, to see all of you as a part of me - and to be at peace. TO BE GOD LIKE.

And I who thought evil was an outside force, like a constant temptation to avoid - or a "devil" to steer clear of. No,no ... evil is within.

GOD, ME & EVIL.

2000 years ago, I think Jesus tried to tell us the truth about this life, the afterlife - and about God. I also think the truth got distorted, by people back then, who would personally benefit from controlling the masses of people.(religion) Call it the "EGO", call it "Evil", call it whatever you want - it is still our choice. And I believe this choice between good and bad matters entirely when it comes to finishing up this earthly life - and heading into the next.

And that, may be the reason why we are still here in this physical world, in our physical bodies - and not in the world of spirit.

... or maybe I'm wrong sheep


Wishing everyone an awesome weekend! ty for reading.


 Quoting: MissMalla

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You saw what you wanted to see OP.

I died from a huge heart attack and I did not see a thing.

Nothing, nada , zip, zilch

No white light,

No grand staircase leading into a white light,

And especially good for me,,

There was NO guys in red suits with pointed sticks poking me in tha ass to jump into some dark bottomless pit.
I can safely say from my experience that when you die,,, you DIE.

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thank you for sharing your experience. It touched me

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Hello everyone. hearts

When I was younger, I would experience what we call "deja vu's". After a devastating event later in life, where I actually wanted to choose the "easy way out", but did not, the "deja vu's stopped. Years have passed now, without a single "deja vu".

You know, they say that we have lived before, many times, living through the same issues and obstacles of life, towards "spiritual perfection". In my mind, "deja vu's" are reminders of those times. The times, when we were still struggling through the hard times, we gave up on.

A mysterious feeling came over me, a feeling that I had "conquered" what I had previously let go of. I had "come out on the other side", stronger, and life before me was no longer written in stone. I had changed as a person. I had become more tolerant, more humble, more grateful.

Like a rough stone, my temper and intolerance had been polished away. I had developed patience and understanding towards myself and other people. And it dawned on me, that this "new person" I had become, was actually whom I knew deep within, I really was.

I had been healthy all of my life, strong and vital. Nothing could get me down. When suddenly I came down with a serious illness in my stomac. It took only 6 months to loose all of my body fat/muscles. As the days passed, I would gradually feel my body let go of me. Finally I lay down on my bed and I remember thinking: "I give up now, God..."

And unseen force grabbed me, and I had a NDE. I was taught how to pass through to the other side, to the next life. There were other people there too, learning how to die, and teachers who took care of it all. And what a beautiful afterlife we have in store. Green, lush meadows of spring as far as the eye could see. I even got to fly over all of this, to take it all in. However ... I was not allowed to stay. I was loaded into a bus, with the other people attending the same "course" in dying - and we were about to roll back home - when the unseen force grabbed hold of me once again and pulled me back into the afterlife.

"You thought it was that easy, huh?"

What looked like a "cardboard-demon", came towards me, and I covered my face and babbled words of a prayer in my head. Glancing through my fingers, I could still see the "cardboard-demon" approach me. That's when I panicked and cried from the bottom of my heart: "GOD, PLEASE HELP ME!"

I woke up.

No no no, we cannot cheat life. We cannot cheat death - and we cannot cheat God. There are no short cuts, no easy way out. There is merely hard work and a narrow path. And each and every one of us, have to walk it.

And I who thought I had become a nice person - still had a "cardboard-demon" within. A demon, that I was not allowed to bring into the afterlife. Hey, I didnt even get to see God. I was just in one of the "deparments" of heaven.

Because where God is, you need to be all clean, all love... meek and humble. Just like a child.

I was not all that. I still had work to do. I woke with the words in my head: "I am the way, the truth and the life." Hmm... where had I heard those words before?

I must add, I do not belong to a religion. I never will. In my mind, religion belongs to this world. But Jesus belongs to both. I read everything I could lay my hands on about His life on earth, and His deeds - and the more I read, the more I wanted to get to know this wonderful man. And the more I got to know Him, the more I wanted to BE like Him. Not in a religious way, but in a personal way.

Me & Jesus have a personal relationship now. 5 years after my NDE. We're buddies! He's my big brother and I dont care what other people say abt that. It's the way it is and everyone who wants to, can have such a relationship with Jesus. No religion, just Jesus and You.

My family and friends are my blessings, because I couldn't really learn life's lessons without them. So bless them all. l have learned to appreciate my enemies. They are indeed an important part of my personal learning process, my experiences here on earth. As I am to them. I would go as far as to claim: we chose them too.

But my life is my own, I have to walk the road on my own. I have to make my own choices and finally - I have to die - alone. And when I die, I have to leave EVERYTHING and EVERYONE behind.

Earthly possessions wont matter anymore. Even my physical body cannot be brought into the afterlife. Because it is of this earth of good vs bad. What matters is: What my heart contains.

In my NDE, I was sent back, because I was not yet ready to enter what some of us call heaven. I had to go back, work through my illness, get back up on my feet - live and learn that which I did not yet know. At that point I had no idea how to manage any of that, I had to take one small step at the time. Little by little and cling to my Faith.

Five years have passed. I have pondered and "knocked" and asked and pleaded - and finally I am beginning to understand what the "cardboard-demon" represents:

See, I had become a fairly good person and detatched myself from many of the earthly values. And from many of my personal issues like anger, greed and jelousy. Some, because they no longer had any value to me - others because I chose to detach from them. But I was still missing something.

And I cried out: "WHAT ELSE DO YOU WANT FROM ME, GOD?"

See, GOD does not "want" anything from me. God knows me, who I am and what I am doing here - and God knows I will one day return to Him surely like the sunrises. And even if I have to spend lifetime after lifetime here to peel off the layers of fault, God is patient and loves me unconditionally.

But there is another smart-azz within (that I had not been aware of) - THAT WANTS SOMETHING FROM ME. In me, there is not only "the GOD (good) spark". There is also "the EVIL (bad) spark". And all 3 of us live and thrive inside of my PHYSICAL BODY - and act through my heart (my emotions).

For after all, physical life is the life of struggle between good & bad, right?

And this smart-azz does not want me to love unconditionally, it does not want me to be utterly patient, to turn the other cheek, to love my enemies, to forgive betrayal, to be a good samaritan, to lay down my life for my friend, to heal and help others, to see all of you as a part of me - and to be at peace. TO BE GOD LIKE.

And I who thought evil was an outside force, like a constant temptation to avoid - or a "devil" to steer clear of. No,no ... evil is within.

GOD, ME & EVIL.

2000 years ago, I think Jesus tried to tell us the truth about this life, the afterlife - and about God. I also think the truth got distorted, by people back then, who would personally benefit from controlling the masses of people.(religion) Call it the "EGO", call it "Evil", call it whatever you want - it is still our choice. And I believe this choice between good and bad matters entirely when it comes to finishing up this earthly life - and heading into the next.

And that, may be the reason why we are still here in this physical world, in our physical bodies - and not in the world of spirit.

... or maybe I'm wrong sheep


Wishing everyone an awesome weekend! ty for reading.


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Females seem to have an easier time in drinking the water from Jesus' mouth.
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Hello everyone. hearts
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A mysterious feeling came over me, a feeling that I had "conquered" what I had previously let go of. I had "come out on the other side", stronger, and life before me was no longer written in stone. I had changed as a person. I had become more tolerant, more humble, more grateful.
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And unseen force grabbed me, and I had a NDE. I was taught how to pass through to the other side, to the next life. There were other people there too, learning how to die, and teachers who took care of it all. And what a beautiful afterlife we have in store. Green, lush meadows of spring as far as the eye could see. I even got to fly over all of this, to take it all in. However ... I was not allowed to stay. ...
 Quoting: MissMalla

I had an experience that was similar in some ways. I was picked up from my bed and flown out of there. I could feel the sensation of lifting up and accelerating; it was utterly physical but also pleasant. When I got to my destination, which was also pleasant although somewhat different from the scene you describe, I stayed a while, then it seemed I had a choice about whether to go back. After some communication with the spirit in charge at the moment, I decided to come back.

I guess that after that I have not feared death, although I still have the normal reactions and fears that are related to preserving my life here, even those of dubious value like my fear of heights. It doesn't make life easy or remove 1000 other sources of worry, but sometimes it probably allows me to go on and behave in a better way, since I am not distracted by that particular personal issue. There's still obligation to others here, there's still a sense that it would be a waste of an opportunity to "give up the ghost" (even if I'm actually the ghost not the body) prematurely.
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You saw what you wanted to see OP.

I died from a huge heart attack and I did not see a thing.

Nothing, nada , zip, zilch

No white light,

No grand staircase leading into a white light,

And especially good for me,,

There was NO guys in red suits with pointed sticks poking me in tha ass to jump into some dark bottomless pit.
I can safely say from my experience that when you die,,, you DIE.

peace
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I totally agree we do see what we want to see. Or what we believe we will se. I cannot explain this, because I just dont know. I can only ponder. I cannot deny an afterlife, and I cannot 100% prove it. All I can do is hope, that I havent spent my entire life hoping for nothing.. hf
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I had an experience that was similar in some ways. I was picked up from my bed and flown out of there. I could feel the sensation of lifting up and accelerating; it was utterly physical but also pleasant. When I got to my destination, which was also pleasant although somewhat different from the scene you describe, I stayed a while, then it seemed I had a choice about whether to go back. After some communication with the spirit in charge at the moment, I decided to come back.

I guess that after that I have not feared death, although I still have the normal reactions and fears that are related to preserving my life here, even those of dubious value like my fear of heights. It doesn't make life easy or remove 1000 other sources of worry, but sometimes it probably allows me to go on and behave in a better way, since I am not distracted by that particular personal issue. There's still obligation to others here, there's still a sense that it would be a waste of an opportunity to "give up the ghost" (even if I'm actually the ghost not the body) prematurely.
 Quoting: oniongrass


Totally, just like you describe it, the accelleration and being picked up. But unlike you, I did not have a choice. I had to go back. I was not even asked to go back, I was just pulled back lol......

For me, it has removed fear of death itself. But now, I have other questions, and i am afraid of leaving here, until I am sure I have done what I came here to do. Learned my lessons..... and above all, brough up my child in the best way I can.
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regarding the differing perspectives on nde's ... i get the feeling that one who sees nothing during an nde, DISBELIEVES, one who sees something during an nde. which is ridiculous.

it reminds me of a bible verse, 'what you hold true on earth, i will hold true in heaven'.

if you dont believe there is anything out there, there is nothing out there ... for you

all i know is, God has a plan, for everyone. and the more you push him away, the harder the fall will be. you can delay it ... but inevitably, you will have to face the truth one day, because he wants us all back from this dream, this illusion, we call the world.

thanks for sharing op. i love reading about nde's because it gives me joy to know how much beauty awaits us when we are ready to shed the skin.
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Grab a cup of coffee and watch this video please

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regarding the differing perspectives on nde's ... i get the feeling that one who sees nothing during an nde, DISBELIEVES, one who sees something during an nde. which is ridiculous.

it reminds me of a bible verse, 'what you hold true on earth, i will hold true in heaven'.

if you dont believe there is anything out there, there is nothing out there ... for you

all i know is, God has a plan, for everyone. and the more you push him away, the harder the fall will be. you can delay it ... but inevitably, you will have to face the truth one day, because he wants us all back from this dream, this illusion, we call the world.

thanks for sharing op. i love reading about nde's because it gives me joy to know how much beauty awaits us when we are ready to shed the skin.
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So true.,.. you know, I have always been a little scared of dying. And the fact that I was taken to a "course in dying" before I crossed over, is just amazing to me. it makes me think of the wonderful angels and teachers, who are taking care of us, and fits every experience just perfectly in with your hopes and concerns - and our beliefs. I have read that every soul needs special treatment, and it makes me think this is true. God is love, and he has a plan from beginning to end.... dont let anyone teach us otherwise.
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regarding the differing perspectives on nde's ... i get the feeling that one who sees nothing during an nde, DISBELIEVES, one who sees something during an nde. which is ridiculous.

it reminds me of a bible verse, 'what you hold true on earth, i will hold true in heaven'.

if you dont believe there is anything out there, there is nothing out there ... for you

all i know is, God has a plan, for everyone. and the more you push him away, the harder the fall will be. you can delay it ... but inevitably, you will have to face the truth one day, because he wants us all back from this dream, this illusion, we call the world.

thanks for sharing op. i love reading about nde's because it gives me joy to know how much beauty awaits us when we are ready to shed the skin.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1257835

I had no preconceptions when I took that "trip" I described. It was all totally unexpected, and I had never heard of experiences like what I had. Indeed today might be the first time someone confirmed the experience of being picked up and sort of flying, when OP said she had the same experience. I was generally an atheist because the religion I saw made no sense to me, and because of the way I was brought up.

So it's definitely not something that I was trained in. No way at all.

Now that I've had some "woo-woo" experiences, I believe there is more spiritual stuff out there, but I do not compromise my scientific objectivity to do so because I have had the experiences, and I hear congruent opinions from others in whom I have some confidence.
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DON'T VAX, PROPHYLAX!

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There is no anger in Me: If one offers Me thorns and thistles, I will march to battle against him, And set all of them on fire.

But if he holds fast to My refuge, He makes Me his friend; He makes Me his friend. (Isaiah 27:4-5)





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