***** Dead Sea Scrolls-- Here They Are, Translated, And Fully Viewable!!! *****

Awesome. I've actually seen the scrolls. They were taking them to museums around the country and my face was like 2 feet from them. Its an amazing thing.

NOT COMPLETE!!!

Where's my Gospel of Thomas?! Best book to be removed from the bible!

They were not written in order to be worshiped.

They were written in order to be understood.

But the Jewish and Christian religious 'authorities' have been paid millions of dollars to prevent that.

Idolatry, on the other hand, is quite profitable.

So, your comment is really music to their ears as they laugh all the way to the bank.

4Q529

We could have a debate about whether the best book was the Gospel of Thomas or the Gospel of Mary...

Or, even, The Treatise On the Resurrection.

It would be an interesting and enlightening debate...

Especially since I have not absolutely made up my own 'mind'.

4Q529

Well skippy, have you ever had your face 2 feet away from something that old? I wasnt in amazement at the message that the scrolls hold. I was amazed by the scrolls themselves.

Thanks..............mmmmmmmmm that's good knowledge.

You are mind kind of ancient texts scholar! +1 Karma for you. It's a debate I'd like to have. I'm not sold on a definitive 'best' but I enjoy reading Thomas more consistently than I do the other Apocrypha. I somewhat enjoy the irony that the CHRISTians removed the gospel of quotes from Christ from their holy text :P

Have I ever had my face 2 feet away from something that I wrote (I remember) in a previous life? (There were many writers of the Dead Sea Scrolls, of course.)

No. It is of no particular interest to me.

That wasn't the reason that I wrote what I wrote.

4Q529

Are you really religious? Because if you were I would think that a "previous life" would be a fallacy to you.

First of all, I am not in any way a "scholar".

In any case, I consider it particularly revealing that Jesus had a different Teaching for Mary--who he loved more than the other apostles and who "he used to kiss...often on her mouth" (Gospel of Philip)--than he did for his male apostles.

And that even Peter was guilty of contempt for women; and, thus, that other aspect of the Teaching of Jesus.

4Q529

Which is why I am not, in any way, "religious".

"Religious" indicates to me a determined lack of Knowledge of the Revelations; that is, the absolute preference of belief over Knowledge.

No one who has any Knowledge is "religious".

This is why the Gnostics were called "Gnostics" by others; because they preferred Knowledge to belief.

Religions are concocted by the "beast of the earth" (Revelations 13:11 & Sura 27:82 of the Quran) consciousness of the 'thinker' in opposition to the Knowledge that is Revealed by God.

4Q529

Last Edited by 4Q529 on 09/28/2011 02:53 AM

What's wrong with being a scholar? All of us that study ancient texts are scholars. I wouldn't have thought it was a pejorative term. In any event, I don't think we're going to have much of a debate. I agree with you about the progressive sexual politics of the early church.

Sorry for accidentally offending you...

And what if I were to argue that the Scrolls that I wrote in that previous life BELONG to me?

And that they should be returned to their RIGHTFUL owner?

Do you actually think that I would be able to find a prosecutor, or an attorney, or a court on the face of this entire planet who would be willing to acknowledge such a claim?

Are you KIDDING me?

4Q529

No harm; no foul.

A scholar equates to a Pharisee in my understanding.

There is a fundamental opposition between the thoughts concocted by the human intellect and the Revelations.

As Isaiah wrote someplace: "My thoughts are not your thoughts and My ways are not your ways. As high as the heavens are above the earth are My thoughts above your thoughts, My ways above your ways."

4Q529

What's the basis for your assertion that the hymns were written by Jesus? I am honestly curious to hear your argument cited with evidence.


Curious, how many actual Rabbis do you know? How many sons and daughters of Rabbis have you known? I've known dozens, and grew up with many sons and daughters of Rabbis. To them it's not a charade, it is what they truly believe. It's not what I believe, as I said I'm an agnostic. But I know from having grown up and lived amongst them that these are ideas they hold in their hearts as strongly as you hold yours.

In your own way you sound to me at least as sheltered about others' ways of life as you are accusing me of being.


You accused me of being a paid by...somebody, I don't know who, to "vomit out such filth," in essence you accused me of being a shill. A shill is someone who tries to perpetrate a ruse for personal profit. They are by definition liars.

To say you didn't "call me a liar" is just a trick of semantics, the meaning of your statement was clear...and ugly.


What exactly happened to you when you tried to publish?


No, I spent two years working in publishing, I know how the industry works quite well. There are thousands of different publishers out there, many of them with specific political, social and religious agendas. There are probably as many types of publishers as there are agendas. If you have a point of view, something to say to the world and you can present it well, it is possible to get it out there through one of these venues.

It's not easy to sell one's book, in fact it's very hard. By far most books get rejected. Most don't even get past agencies to be seen by editors. I've worked at both an agency and a publisher so I know both ends of the business. Probably 95% of the stuff that came into the agency simply wasn't good enough for us to try to sell to publishers, so we rejected it. I would get 50 query letters a day and at most said "yes" to two or three to see the manuscripts. Most of the rest were either poorly written, incoherent, uninteresting or not the genres we championed. Out of every 20 or 30 manuscripts we got, we might sign one of these writers as a client. Out of those new clients, we were lucky if 1/5 if not 1/10 got a book sold (established clients had a much easier time, of course). Often very, very good books got rejected because a publishers simply didn't think they could make money off of it. That's the reality of publishing. I lived it, it's a rough business.

If you are talking about being published in peer reviewed journals, that's rather different and not a world I ever played in. Not gonna comment on it.


You've made dozens of assertions about what you call the "truth" on this thread without backing a single one up, except by more assertions or by alluding to concepts without explaining them. Why should anyone believe what you say vs. years of academic scholarship done by thousands of top minds in the field, people who have written dozens of papers and books on these subjects and who have had to debate and defend them against a multitude of opposing views?

Present some well reasoned arguments about the things you say and maybe people will start to listen.


The Gospel of Thomas was found at Nag Hammadi, not at Qumran. Not part of the Dead Sea Scrolls.

However, I do agree, it is VERY interesting stuff.

Yeah, okay. Just saw this. Now I see how it is not going to be possible to actually have a debate on this.

Sorry to say, I don't believe in reincarnation so I can't see how this is going to go anywhere useful. You can shout all you want that you wrote these scrolls, that's fine, that's your business, but there's just no way I'm going to believe it unless and until someone shows me proof that such a thing is possible.

You may well believe this to be true of yourself, in which case to me you come off as delusional. Not calling names or casting aspersions, just letting you know my point of view on this stuff.

The only other possibility, to my mind, is that you are lying and don't really believe you wrote them, but say so to try and impress people and win them over to your side.

That's just the way I see it.

Last Edited by LifeInDeath on 09/28/2011 03:36 AM

Good call! I got my wires crossed! Sometimes I get so caught up in the text itself some of the details of its past escape me.

wtf?? wheres the translation???

It happens to the best of us.

Most of what you say is too comical, ignorant (from the verb "to ignore"), or myopic even to respond to.

But there are a few points here that I would like to address.

I have done more than 37 years of "academic scholarship" on the Thanksgiving Hymns and the Scroll of the War of the Sons of Light. But I am NOT a scholar. And I have never made one single red cent of profit from my studies.

Approximately 36 of those years of research were done after having received the Vision of the "Son of man" and the Revelation of the "resurrection" (which includes the Revelation of the Memory of Creation and the revelation of the memories of previous lives--to which I would give you citations from the Scriptures, but you would not believe me, so what's the point?)

The only "opposing views" that the 'official' researchers have ever had to defend themselves against are views which have been concocted by the "beast of the earth" consciousness of the 'thinker'.

Why?

Because those are the only viewpoints which are published by the "dragon" media.

And, as far as "well reasoned arguments"...

Jesus presented a "well reasoned argument" that the Doctrine of "resurrection" is a Doctrine of 'Rebirth' in his reply to the Sadducees. See Luke 20:34-38

That was the argument that got him killed. It was a public humiliation for the Pharisees, who believed the Egyptian doctrine of a physical raising of a dead body from the grave.

Similarly for the Albigensians, who also provided well reasoned arguments against the Roman theologians.

They were exterminated by the tens of thousands in the Albigensian Crusade (I remember); and those "well reasoned arguments" about the Doctrine of "resurrection" being a Doctrine of 'Rebirth' were burned as well.

The conclusion is obvious.

It is utterly irrelevant how "well reasoned" your arguments are. What is relevant is whether what you write is a threat to anyone's job.

4Q529

(Sigh.)

I don't believe in reincarnation either.

What I remember is having received memories of previous lives.

But you will prolly respond by saying that this is "just semantics".

Just like I NEVER called you a liar, but said that your statements are BALD-FACED LIES.

Nuance does not appear to be your speciality.

4Q529

"Delusional" is the most recent translation of "possessed by demons", or "heretic", or "infidel", or "witch".

In fact, in the Easter edition of the L'Osservatore Romano, the Vatican Newspaper, in 1990, as I recall, the revelation of the memories of previous lives is very SPECIFICALLY defined as "demonic possession"--which is precisely the position taken by the Sadducees.

I suggest you read the book Soul Survivor--about someone who received very specific and verified memories of having been a U.S. Navy fighter pilot in the Pacific during World War II--and try to determine whether or not that 4 year old boy was "possessed by demons".

4Q529

Oh, by the way, there is also a "well reasoned argument" that establishes a very direct Doctrinal and Prophetic connection between Daniel 12:1, Sura 2:98 of the Quran and Column XVII of the Scroll of the War of the Sons of Light.

But that is not an argument that ANYONE from the "dragon"-media is willing to lift even so much as their little finger to publicize.

Now, why do you 'think' that is?

4Q529

Do you deny the existence of demons?


Just where do they fit in to the picture, anyone?

This is why I am confused by your statements. In one post you claim rightful ownership over the scrolls because you say that you wrote them in a previous life, suggesting (to me, at least) that your spirit or soul was reincarnated into a new body. That is the definition of reincarnation. If you have a different definition, I'd like to know what it is.

But in your second post you say you received memories of previous lives. Were these previous lives you, or were they the previous lives of other people? If they were you, then what you are describing is classically defined as reincarnation, at least by every definition I've ever come across regarding the process. If you say you are receiving memories of other people who came before you, not your own prior spiritual incarnation, then how can you claim ownership of the scrolls? If that's a better definition of the process, then they didn't belong to you, they belonged to those others who wrote them.

Rather than just admonishing and antagonizing others for their "ignorance," calling them names and telling them they are lower than a crack whore (as you said of me) why not try to enlighten them? Why not seek to educate?

Near as I can tell you just enjoy angrily attacking others without really trying to help them understand your point of view. When you are challenged you either respond with more angry diatribes or simply ignore the point.

That's not debating. That's just screaming and yelling like a lunatic street corner preacher at anyone who doesn't agree with you, without explaining what it is we are supposed to be agreeing with. Your methods are only driving others away from understanding and not bringing them to enlightenment. Maybe try another tactic and see how it works? Otherwise, all you will do is give yourself cause to get even angrier, still. A useless endeavor.

You mentioned a connection between Daniel, the Quran and the War Scroll? Please explain. That sounds very interesting to me. If you are so angry that the media won't popularize this apparently fundamental point, then why not try to here. Or post it on a blog or a website so we can all see?


Your bio is all well and good, but it's in no way enlightening to me or to anyone else if you don't give us more. I could claim I am the reincarnation of the Shit King of Turd Mountain and thus the world's greatest living expert on all things scatological, but if I don't back that up with anything else why should anyone believe me or care?

Deny the existence of demons?

Are you KIDDING me?

The ones I know have Ph.D.s in theology.

Those that make people spit up green vomit and spin their heads?

Rank amateurs.

Demon wannabes.

The green vomit these demons cough up are called Jewish, Christian and Muslim theology.

And those who swallow that green vomit unquestioningly go out and commit acts of violence and terrorism against others.

They join the military or become suicide bombers...

Or editors of theology journals, journals of Biblical Archaeology, torturers, child molesters, politicians...

(No, wait. I already said that.)

...rapists...that kind of thing.

4Q529

Been there; done that.

For more than 37 years.

Do you know how long 37 years is?

Do you even remember what you were doing 37 year ago?

There are quite a number of notes I have written to this forum; plus dozens if not hundreds of replies to other comments whose purpose is to educate.

You are free to read any of them that you want.

And remember that I did not ask from you ONE PENNY for what I have written.

4Q529

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You got it.

There are 73 books in the Catholic bible. The so called "apocrypha" was removed from the Protestant Bible(66 books) before the Civil War.

There is a lot of discussion of other apocrypha books that seem to have a lot to say about the present times. Is is any wonder TPTB do not want you to know why certain people are hated (enmity)as described in Genesis 3:15. You are of your father the Devil - you don't hear that kind of talk from today's socialist/communist world.

Here is one example. In the Book of Maccabees, there seems to be an interesting parallel between the evil high priests at the end of the OT age and the evil popes of the Vatican II era (End Times apostate Church).

[link to www.mostholyfamilymonastery.com]

"It's interesting to also note that, according to the Book of Maccabees, Alcimus is stricken with "palsy"---which is exactly what JP II has: "uncontrollable tremors" and "difficulty speaking" See Ist Mac., c. 9, 54. [55]"

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Here is some material that establishment big religion does not talk about :

Apocryphal Books

* 1 Esdras
* Baruch
* Bel and the Dragon
* Epistle of Jeremiah

[link to www.christogenea.org]

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I would be very careful about the Dead Sea Scrolls. The most skilled traitors to Christianity like Malachi Martin worked on the Dead Sea Scroll project. Why would anybody trust a project that is located in the most militant antiChrist country in the world? This is a place where if you preach the Gospel , you are put in jail.

[link to angelqueen.org]

"Malachi Martin wasn't just a 60's liberal, he was far worse. "

(Most traditional Catholics and the public still believe Martin was a Christian )

Duh.....any neckid wimmin pictures in dem scrolls?