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| Khim
Offer Upgrade  User ID: 7694075  United States12/25/2011 10:53 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Every year I find myself annoyed by the constant posts by many claiming that Santa and Satan are the same thing. This is completely untrue, historically inaccurate and completely insulting to the man from whom the idea of Santa Claus started. Santa is not an anagram for satan. Words in English come from many other languages and to fully understand what you are talking about, take some time to study the etymology of words and their traditional/cultural meanings before making an assumption. The real Saint Nicholas (Gr.: Ayios Nikolaos) (15/Mar/270 – 6/Dec/346) is the common name for Nicholas of Myra, a saint and Bishop of Myra (in Asia Minor). Because of the many miracles attributed to his intercession, he is also known as Nicholas the Wonderworker. He had a reputation for secret gift-giving, such as putting coins in the shoes of those who left them out for him. Etymology of Santa: From the Italian word "Sante" for Saint. Santa is the feminine form of Saint whereas Sante would be the male form of the word. However, when Sinter Klaas crossed the ocean to America, he became Santa Claus. Etymology of Claus: Claus comes from the Dutch Klaas, from Middle Dutch Niklaas, which derives from the Greek name Nikolas (or Nicholas) from Nikolaos. Nikolaos is a combination of two words, namely, Nike (victory) and Laos (people). So Nikolaos literally means victory of the people. Etymology of Santa Claus: from dialectal Dutch Sante Klaas, from Middle Dutch Sinter Niklaas "Saint Nicholas". As of today, the Dutch celebrate both Sinterklaas (Dec 6th (?) - when St. Nick arrives in the Netherlands to deliver presents to the children) and Christmas on Dec 25th and 26th (First and Second Christmas Day in the Netherlands) which honors the birth of the Christ. I don't want to sound like a know it all, but Nicholas of Myra was a real person who did very kind things for many in need. I have the books right here on my shelves which I could use to prove source, but I'm too tired from being kept up all night by an anxious and over-excited child belonging to my housemate. So here is a link to my G00gle search which has all of the information there. The G00gle link is way too long to post here  so just search "Etymology of Santa Claus" without the quotation marks.Last Edited by Khim on 12/25/2011 10:54 AM |
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| Khim
(OP) User ID: 7694075 United States12/25/2011 11:04 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Cute. I love language and I have always wanted to know the oldest known roots of words and the cultural/traditional uses that influenced its use and meaning. Words are how we communicate and to me it is important that we communicate effectively to avoid misunderstandings and conflicts. You'd be surprised how many wars have started over a single mistranslation or misuse of one, single word. Just thought I'd share. I'd love to discuss if anyone is interested. I'm not expecting much from this thread, though. It's not exactly a conspiracy and most folks really aren't interested about such topics like I am. Language is my passion. |
| nzreva
User ID: 1063963 United States12/25/2011 11:06 AM  Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Every year I find myself annoyed by the constant posts by many claiming that Santa and Satan are the same thing. This is completely untrue, historically inaccurate and completely insulting to the man from whom the idea of Santa Claus started. Quoting: Khim Santa is not an anagram for satan. Words in English come from many other languages and to fully understand what you are talking about, take some time to study the etymology of words and their traditional/cultural meanings before making an assumption. The real Saint Nicholas (Gr.: Ayios Nikolaos) (15/Mar/270 – 6/Dec/346) is the common name for Nicholas of Myra, a saint and Bishop of Myra (in Asia Minor). Because of the many miracles attributed to his intercession, he is also known as Nicholas the Wonderworker. He had a reputation for secret gift-giving, such as putting coins in the shoes of those who left them out for him. Etymology of Santa: From the Italian word "Sante" for Saint. Santa is the feminine form of Saint whereas Sante would be the male form of the word. However, when Sinter Klaas crossed the ocean to America, he became Santa Claus. Etymology of Claus: Claus comes from the Dutch Klaas, from Middle Dutch Niklaas, which derives from the Greek name Nikolas (or Nicholas) from Nikolaos. Nikolaos is a combination of two words, namely, Nike (victory) and Laos (people). So Nikolaos literally means victory of the people. Etymology of Santa Claus: from dialectal Dutch Sante Klaas, from Middle Dutch Sinter Niklaas "Saint Nicholas". As of today, the Dutch celebrate both Sinterklaas (Dec 6th (?) - when St. Nick arrives in the Netherlands to deliver presents to the children) and Christmas on Dec 25th and 26th (First and Second Christmas Day in the Netherlands) which honors the birth of the Christ. I don't want to sound like a know it all, but Nicholas of Myra was a real person who did very kind things for many in need. I have the books right here on my shelves which I could use to prove source, but I'm too tired from being kept up all night by an anxious and over-excited child belonging to my housemate. So here is a link to my G00gle search which has all of the information there. The G00gle link is way too long to post here so just search "Etymology of Santa Claus" without the quotation marks.Santa is a lie, whatever the origin. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 7693142 United Kingdom12/25/2011 11:10 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Cute. I love language and I have always wanted to know the oldest known roots of words and the cultural/traditional uses that influenced its use and meaning. Words are how we communicate and to me it is important that we communicate effectively to avoid misunderstandings and conflicts. You'd be surprised how many wars have started over a single mistranslation or misuse of one, single word. Just thought I'd share. I'd love to discuss if anyone is interested. I'm not expecting much from this thread, though. It's not exactly a conspiracy and most folks really aren't interested about such topics like I am. Language is my passion. OK. There was a Saint Nick, and he was a good guy. But evil stuff is a lot more entertaining, hence "Satan Claws".  |
| Khim
(OP) User ID: 7694075 United States12/25/2011 12:46 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Cute. I love language and I have always wanted to know the oldest known roots of words and the cultural/traditional uses that influenced its use and meaning. Words are how we communicate and to me it is important that we communicate effectively to avoid misunderstandings and conflicts. You'd be surprised how many wars have started over a single mistranslation or misuse of one, single word. Just thought I'd share. I'd love to discuss if anyone is interested. I'm not expecting much from this thread, though. It's not exactly a conspiracy and most folks really aren't interested about such topics like I am. Language is my passion. OK. There was a Saint Nick, and he was a good guy. But evil stuff is a lot more entertaining, hence "Satan Claws". Which I find very sad given the state of the world we live in. Knowledge and wisdom are the only things that may save us from destroying ourselves and all of the treasures passed on to us from those who have gone before. Tis unfortunate, but the saying, "You can educate the ignorant, but you can't help the stupid." has never been more accurate than it is these days. Just breaks my heart :( |
| Khim
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 7693142 United Kingdom12/25/2011 12:49 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Cute. I love language and I have always wanted to know the oldest known roots of words and the cultural/traditional uses that influenced its use and meaning. Words are how we communicate and to me it is important that we communicate effectively to avoid misunderstandings and conflicts. You'd be surprised how many wars have started over a single mistranslation or misuse of one, single word. Just thought I'd share. I'd love to discuss if anyone is interested. I'm not expecting much from this thread, though. It's not exactly a conspiracy and most folks really aren't interested about such topics like I am. Language is my passion. OK. There was a Saint Nick, and he was a good guy. But evil stuff is a lot more entertaining, hence "Satan Claws". Which I find very sad given the state of the world we live in. Knowledge and wisdom are the only things that may save us from destroying ourselves and all of the treasures passed on to us from those who have gone before. Tis unfortunate, but the saying, "You can educate the ignorant, but you can't help the stupid." has never been more accurate than it is these days. Just breaks my heart :( Hey, hon, I know exactly what you mean. I'm just whistling past the graveyard. Please have a Joyous Festihannukwanzaamas! |
| Khim
(OP) User ID: 7694075 United States12/25/2011 01:11 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | OK. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 7693142 There was a Saint Nick, and he was a good guy. But evil stuff is a lot more entertaining, hence "Satan Claws". Which I find very sad given the state of the world we live in. Knowledge and wisdom are the only things that may save us from destroying ourselves and all of the treasures passed on to us from those who have gone before. Tis unfortunate, but the saying, "You can educate the ignorant, but you can't help the stupid." has never been more accurate than it is these days. Just breaks my heart :( Hey, hon, I know exactly what you mean. I'm just whistling past the graveyard. Please have a Joyous Festihannukwanzaamas! And to you!  |
| A Voice In The Wilderness
User ID: 1506783 United States12/25/2011 01:12 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Etymology of a word has nothing to do with whether there is an anagram embedded in the word or not. Your argument is not logical and false. Last Edited by A Voice In The Wilderness on 12/25/2011 01:13 PM The Truth About Thread: The FINAL EVENTS Of Bible Prophecy "We here are of the conviction that the papacy is the seat of the true and real Antichrist." - Martin Luther (Aug. 18, 1520) "While God has given ample evidence for faith, He will never remove all excuse for unbelief. All who look for hooks to hang their doubts upon will find them. And those who refuse to accept and obey God's Word until every objection has been removed, and there is no longer an opportunity for doubt, will never come to the light" (The Great Controversy, p. 527). "Jesus did not come to change the law, but he came to explain it, and that very fact shows that it remains, for there is no need to explain that which is abrogated." - Charles Spurgeon "Jesuit Adam Weishaupt established the modern version of the Illuminati specifically to be a front organization behind which the Jesuits could hide. After being formally abolished by Pope Clement XIV in 1773, the Jesuits used the Illuminati and other organizations to carry out their operations. Thus, the front organizations would be blamed for the trouble caused by the Jesuits." Bill Hughes (Author of The Secret Terrorists and The Enemy Unmasked) |
| Khim
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 7701592 United States12/25/2011 01:37 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Every year I find myself annoyed by the constant posts by many claiming that Santa and Satan are the same thing. This is completely untrue, historically inaccurate and completely insulting to the man from whom the idea of Santa Claus started. Quoting: Khim Santa is not an anagram for satan. Words in English come from many other languages and to fully understand what you are talking about, take some time to study the etymology of words and their traditional/cultural meanings before making an assumption. The real Saint Nicholas (Gr.: Ayios Nikolaos) (15/Mar/270 – 6/Dec/346) is the common name for Nicholas of Myra, a saint and Bishop of Myra (in Asia Minor). Because of the many miracles attributed to his intercession, he is also known as Nicholas the Wonderworker. He had a reputation for secret gift-giving, such as putting coins in the shoes of those who left them out for him. Etymology of Santa: From the Italian word "Sante" for Saint. Santa is the feminine form of Saint whereas Sante would be the male form of the word. However, when Sinter Klaas crossed the ocean to America, he became Santa Claus. Etymology of Claus: Claus comes from the Dutch Klaas, from Middle Dutch Niklaas, which derives from the Greek name Nikolas (or Nicholas) from Nikolaos. Nikolaos is a combination of two words, namely, Nike (victory) and Laos (people). So Nikolaos literally means victory of the people. Etymology of Santa Claus: from dialectal Dutch Sante Klaas, from Middle Dutch Sinter Niklaas "Saint Nicholas". As of today, the Dutch celebrate both Sinterklaas (Dec 6th (?) - when St. Nick arrives in the Netherlands to deliver presents to the children) and Christmas on Dec 25th and 26th (First and Second Christmas Day in the Netherlands) which honors the birth of the Christ. I don't want to sound like a know it all, but Nicholas of Myra was a real person who did very kind things for many in need. I have the books right here on my shelves which I could use to prove source, but I'm too tired from being kept up all night by an anxious and over-excited child belonging to my housemate. So here is a link to my G00gle search which has all of the information there. The G00gle link is way too long to post here so just search "Etymology of Santa Claus" without the quotation marks.keep using loose historical references to justify the work of spells. you cant fool all of us. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 972619  Netherlands12/25/2011 01:45 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Every year I find myself annoyed by the constant posts by many claiming that Santa and Satan are the same thing. This is completely untrue, historically inaccurate and completely insulting to the man from whom the idea of Santa Claus started. Quoting: Khim Santa is not an anagram for satan. Words in English come from many other languages and to fully understand what you are talking about, take some time to study the etymology of words and their traditional/cultural meanings before making an assumption. The real Saint Nicholas (Gr.: Ayios Nikolaos) (15/Mar/270 – 6/Dec/346) is the common name for Nicholas of Myra, a saint and Bishop of Myra (in Asia Minor). Because of the many miracles attributed to his intercession, he is also known as Nicholas the Wonderworker. He had a reputation for secret gift-giving, such as putting coins in the shoes of those who left them out for him. Etymology of Santa: From the Italian word "Sante" for Saint. Santa is the feminine form of Saint whereas Sante would be the male form of the word. However, when Sinter Klaas crossed the ocean to America, he became Santa Claus. Etymology of Claus: Claus comes from the Dutch Klaas, from Middle Dutch Niklaas, which derives from the Greek name Nikolas (or Nicholas) from Nikolaos. Nikolaos is a combination of two words, namely, Nike (victory) and Laos (people). So Nikolaos literally means victory of the people. Etymology of Santa Claus: from dialectal Dutch Sante Klaas, from Middle Dutch Sinter Niklaas "Saint Nicholas". As of today, the Dutch celebrate both Sinterklaas (Dec 6th (?) - when St. Nick arrives in the Netherlands to deliver presents to the children) and Christmas on Dec 25th and 26th (First and Second Christmas Day in the Netherlands) which honors the birth of the Christ. I don't want to sound like a know it all, but Nicholas of Myra was a real person who did very kind things for many in need. I have the books right here on my shelves which I could use to prove source, but I'm too tired from being kept up all night by an anxious and over-excited child belonging to my housemate. So here is a link to my G00gle search which has all of the information there. The G00gle link is way too long to post here so just search "Etymology of Santa Claus" without the quotation marks.Nice one Khim, thanks! Hope you're united soon with the dutch guy :) Anyway, Sinterklaas (St. Nicolas) has it's birthday on 6 december, but the evening of 5 december will be celebrated as "pakjesavond" (present's evening). Hail Santa! |
| Khim
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 6739256 United States12/25/2011 02:09 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | every year i watch as fake christian get annoyed at the so called War on Christmas, and listen to them tell me about how there is a War on Christmas. I then tell them they are a fake christian. Christmas is a pagan holiday. And the Bible says NOT to celebrate a Holiday that is clearly describing Christmas. Not to mention Jesus never mentions or commanded any celebration of or for his birth, Then, I watch the smoke come out of their ears. But, feel free to worship your Sacred Pine Tree, and elves and trolls and red gobblins. Hear what the LORD says to you, people of Israel. 2 This is what the LORD says: “Do not learn the ways of the nations or be terrified by signs in the heavens, though the nations are terrified by them. 3 For the practices of the peoples are worthless; they cut a tree out of the forest, and a craftsman shapes it with his chisel. 4 They adorn it with silver and gold; they fasten it with hammer and nails so it will not totter. |
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| Aldabaran08
User ID: 1140311 Netherlands01/02/2012 02:52 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | every year i watch as fake christian get annoyed at the so called Quoting: Anonymous Coward 6739256 War on Christmas, and listen to them tell me about how there is a War on Christmas. I then tell them they are a fake christian. Christmas is a pagan holiday. And the Bible says NOT to celebrate a Holiday that is clearly describing Christmas. Not to mention Jesus never mentions or commanded any celebration of or for his birth, Then, I watch the smoke come out of their ears. But, feel free to worship your Sacred Pine Tree, and elves and trolls and red gobblins. Hear what the LORD says to you, people of Israel. 2 This is what the LORD says: “Do not learn the ways of the nations or be terrified by signs in the heavens, though the nations are terrified by them. 3 For the practices of the peoples are worthless; they cut a tree out of the forest, and a craftsman shapes it with his chisel. 4 They adorn it with silver and gold; they fasten it with hammer and nails so it will not totter. If we would not celebrate based purely on the origin of a feast then there would be hardly anything left to celebrate. I know that Sinterklaas/Saint Nick was adapated from the original feast for Odin/Wodan. Although Santa Claus rides his sled, overhere in the Netherlands Saint Nicholas rides the rooftops on a white horse, and although it isn't 8 legged I know it IS derived from Odin riding on his horse Sleipnir along the sky. Also I am aware that the Christmas ornaments (the shine globes that you can see your face in) probably come from animal skulls and the heads of fallen enemies that adorned the tree(s). That said: I want to like to point out, that IMHO it isn't a problem to celebrate the birth of Christ, so I happily celebrate that. And if having a festive tree and the giving of gifts were a way to bring honor to a feast in the pagan days, then you surely must agree that there is no better use for it than to carry those things over to celebrate Christ's birth, the one IMHO that deserves to be honored. Also I like to point out that the bible verse you mentioned clearly stated a tree that got chiseled, meaning it got made into a figurine for idol worship and that's something I have never seen anyone do with a Christmas tree. People have a habit of dressing extra nice for Sunday's yet the bible says we should not put our energy in things that concern this world. so if you want to use the bible to thump at anything, I am well aware you could find a verse to fit your means. Since the exact date of Christs birth is not known, I am glad we agreed on a day to celebrate it anyway. I do not consider myself fake for believing, and whether celebrating Christmas is right or wrong depends in my opinion on the intention people have when celebrating. I hope you had a good Christmas regardless how you've spend it and I wish a good 2012 on all of you :) Kind regards, Aldabaran. |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 33772786  Australia12/22/2013 10:05 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Santa is made up of the letters that can spell Satan. That's just a fact. But, is it a co-incidence or on purpose? lol Lets see santa is red, the devil is red. Santa claims to have supernatural powers, and happens to arrive on the date of Jesus birthday. I can see a pattern here, someone is trying to have God attributes, and falls on same day as the Birth of Jesus. But is red and has the letters santa, or satan. |
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| Sisyphusrock
User ID: 81062353 United States12/23/2021 10:25 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Etymology of a word has nothing to do with whether there is an anagram embedded in the word or not. Quoting: A Voice In The Wilderness Your argument is not logical and false. Well you are correct ....we should not have to decrypt the implication . They problem meant " Santa is not intentionally an anagram of Santan " Maybe change the thread title OP ? Because as this poster pointed out ...Santa clearly IS an anagram of SATAN....just maybe incidentally? Last Edited by Sisyphusrock on 12/23/2021 10:25 AM “I am at the moment writing a lengthy indictment against our century. When my brain begins to reel from my literary labors, I make an occasional cheese dip.” |
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