This morning I woke up at 9am. Then I decided to Astral Project to the White House

Can you verify that the president was in the white house today, and not off on some vacation or non-mission?

-Greg B.

No idea.. astral travel is iffy at times. Sometimes when you are in the RTZ it can be past or present, rarely the future though.

Victor. People always tell stories about OBE where you actually go to places and see people unaware of you. But they always mix up entities and strange persons that can actually see you during the process. Why´s that?

The astral plane is soo crouded these days. I liked it best when you could go and see anyone naked without disturbance.

...and as for what I make of it...

It seems like a strange time to perform a ritual, and perhaps not a very ritually day moon/calander-wise.

I highly doubt that Presidents, themselves, are occult masters that perform rituals. They may participate in them, of course, but this sounds like more than participation.

So what I make of it is this:

OBE´s are projected fantasy, or at least, this one is.

-Greg B.

OP, you took a joyride in Harry Potters flying car, too, didn´t you? your a sly one.

I have felt the sensation of projecting outside of my body on a few occasions.

But curiously enough, each time I felt this sensation, it also felt very much like a lucid dream. In fact, I´d go so far as to say OBE´s are simply lucid dreams.

So, then, what are lucid dreams?

I think you project not outside of your body, but deeper into your own mind/universe, where anything is possible but limited to the sum of the input of your life.

You can be pretty lucid and dreaming that you are in your house..except it´s not your house, exactly...things are different, skewed...rearranged and redecorated perhaps by your interpretation of those objects and what they mean in your waking life. You might experience "your house" as more gothic if perhaps your house in reality carries with it an air of melancholy. That sort of thing. And of course we´re influenced by the fantasies of others, their creative output.

But how come every time I´ve had a lucid dream which included someone I knew, they didn´t also have that lucid dream if they were "out of body"?

The answer is that nobody is out of body. You can´t really be out of body when you are technically everywhere and everything. Do you get what I´m trying to say?

-Greg B.

Yep.. I´ve asked the same questions over at the astral dynamics website forums.

Theres no scientific proof anyone really leaves..

But whatever the case the kingdom of heaven is within.

Yes I get. Physical division is not repeated on the Astral plane. Where there are no bodies.

About the strangeness of places during lucid dreaming, I think most of it are influences of other people´s universes that can actually mix up with yours.

And yes, I´ve dreamed one particular scene with another person, and asked the person if he was in it. He was.


I´ve talked to people during lucid dreaming. They would all say ther were dreaming too. Very cool because then I would ask them about real life.

The president left for Camp David yesterday after the indicments were announced so he wasn´t even in the White House today

"This morning I woke up at 9am. Then I decided to Astral Project to the White House"

... yawn, lol.... methinks/feels you definitely be womewhat lackin´ in that ol´ image-in-ation dept. Try maybe getting a life, and instead of just them surface skimmings o´yours.

w/luv,
just me

It could be symbolic as to what will come to the "white house" soon..

Victors captors are trying hard for him to regain credibility.

It wont work because were on to them

Answering Athena:
OBEs doesn´t quite correspond to present moments or reality as we know it. How can you be sure you´re not in some parallel universe or something?

ok buddy..

so far you are the only person who don´t believe I am who I am..

who cares anyway.. for now on I´m just someone here talking.

Sorry Victor but for someone who claims to renew his faith you are doing a disservice to everyone who has

I dont doubt that this occurred. However, I feel (just opinion) that there are a few barriers to understanding what is perceived during these types of projections. I think the most importatant is years and years of conditioning and connectedness to the physical that still is a part of you as long as you havent severed ties with that very thing that brings you back.And if you did you wouldnt be here. I think this is why it will always be difficult to validate projections. We would have to better understand dimensional energy and how it manifest or translates into the physical. For example even though you peceive your self going through your wall, in another dimension does that phsyical boundary really exist? Was there anything else you can remember? It was interesting and feel certain that if you are being honest and this did indeed occur like you said, I think it has a very significant value and meaning.

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10/29/2005
10:48 pm EDT

This morning I woke up and decided I was sick of the woo woo scare tactics of people like you. I did my research, made the right choices and found you to be a phoney, but only since you were captured.

Victor I need you to teach me how to do that! I´ve always wanted to be able to, and I have no clue as to how to get started or how to do it! HELP!!!!

To do that, you have to acquire knowledge of the fabric of reality. You have to study spiritual teachings. And you have to build a strong body/mind pair sensible enough to tap the spiritual. This might include meditation.

Victor can you teach me to walk through a wall so i can video tape it and prove it cant be done

" Victor I need you to teach me how to do that! I´ve always wanted to be able to, and I have no clue as to how to get started or how to do it! HELP!!!!"

... you (we) do/be it all of the time. You just take it so for granted, and while you´re doing/being it, that you are not picking up on what is actually happening.... is all, lol.

w/luv,
just me

you have alot of reading to do ahead of you.

www.astraldynamics.com

I´d pick up acopy of that book. Its the best there is.

It took me a while to feel my energies moving around in my body, but when I finally did last winter, I was driving my truck my arm was cold, I was able to move my energy to my arm and it was completely warm after that.

You can open your 3rd eye and see some pretty interesting visions too.

What´s up, Vic?

Peace.
David.

Time is illusionary. You may have been there tomorrow or next week.

Wow! 9 AM. that is pretty early for you so you may have just been dreaming.

Bush with the twig symbolizes a bush. That is all I have figured out for now.

Victor try to remember what you might be leaving out? Are you sure you didnt want to have sex with the woman you saw??? Seriously. Or is it possible that you did you have sex and feel guilty? It is important to know as I think it relates to vaility/deception of the projection. I think sword would represent protection. I also agree that time frame can fog things up a bit.

Bush is at Camp David this weekend.

Actually, he left for Camp David on Friday and has been there all day today.

Your mixing the word Astral and Astral projection and OBE the two are not the same thing


Astral projection

Main article: Astral projection

Astral projection is a controversial interpretation of forced out-of-body experiences achieved either consciously or via lucid dreaming or deep meditation. Proponents of astral projection maintain that their consciousness or soul has transferred into an astral body (or "double"), which moves free of the physical body in a parallel world known as the "astral plane," which is said to exist via the "collective conscious." Unlike the typical OBE, astral projection does not typically posit that one´s consciousness or soul actually travels through the day-to-day physical realm.

Virtual reality projection

Part astral and part real time (as mentioned above), called Virtual Reality Projection by most, is when a projector moves on the physical plane, yet interacts with the astral plane at the same time. An example of this is if one walks into a "real" poster or picture, they are transported to a perfect reconstruction of this place/world by concentrated experiences and thoughts of every beholder of the concept of the picture. This is part of the reason many try to project, but admittedly only a speck in the (literally) infinite possibilities. This concept is associated with the occult and the New Age movement, and is not accepted by the majority of the scientific community.

Remote viewing

In some instances, astral projectors have described details of the outside world whilst in projection that they could not have known beforehand. This has been studied extensively and is known as remote viewing. In remote viewing, however, the viewer does not leave his or her body, but "sees" remote sites by other means.

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